a roughing up of a player, and the clock had run down, brady didn't snap the ball. you could look at four different things that could have changed the game where the refs missed it on the saints. the saints 2012, cash for -- mi on the saints, the saints, 2012, cash for -- they gave bonuses to their players if they broke their bones on the other side. that coach was suspended for a year. >> we're out of time. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. the breaking news tonight, the democratic virginia governor admits he's one of two men in a 1984 photo, one in black face, the other in a klan outfit. ralph northah has now apologized but calls are flooding in for him to leave. a federal judge says she's considering a gag order which may be a tall order considering his appearance on fox tonight. his description of the case against him as a lynching and the video he posted this week on

what to wear for your arraignment in federal court. and donald trump now back in the friendly confines of mar-a-lago this evening, leaving the wreckage of his fight over the wall behind. returning next week to give his version of the state of the union, as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a friday night. well, good evening, once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 743 of the trump administration, we're covering the breaking news tonight on the virginia governor and his admission that he is one of two people pictured in a racist yearbook photo. more on that coming up. but we do want to begin with donald trump, who arrived in mar-a-lago a few hours ago. it's his first visit to his florida estate since thanksgiving, and his first since the government shutdown. tonight we're exactly two weeks away from the deadline to avert the next one. members of congress have been negotiating as you may know to

try to avoid a repeat, but the president, as you may know, calls those talks a waste of time as he steps up his campaign for a wall on the southern border. today at the white house, he suggested wall planning is well underway, while threatening to take action if congress does not. >> we are doing things right now. we're building it with funds on hand. we're negotiating very tough prices. we've designed a much better looking wall that is also actually a better wall, which is an interesting combination. it's far more beautiful and it's better. it's much more protective. >> have you privately decided whether or not you will declare a national emergency? and just to clarify -- >> have i privately? what's in my mind? >> what's in your mind? >> i'm certainly thinking about it. i think there's a good chance we'll have to do that. >> late today, the president sat down with cbs news for an interview on "face the nation." he offered a preview on what

could come next. >> on the 15th, we have now set the table beautifully, because everyone knows what's going on, because of the shutdown, people that didn't have any idea -- they didn't have a clue as to what was happening, they now know exactly what's happening. >> trump also appeared to step up his criticism of nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, who continues to insist the wall is immoral and there will be no money for it on top of that. an example, when asked about the speaker's criticism of his administration's decision to pull out of that nuclear arms control treaty with russia, the president's response had more to do with pelosi's opposition to his wall. >> honestly, i don't think she has a clue, i really don't. i don't think nancy has a clue. and i see that when she says walls are immoral. she doesn't have -- she doesn't know, and i wish she did. >> he indeed continued that criticism during the interview with cbs news. >> i think she's very bad for our country.

>> she offered over a billion dollars for border security. she doesn't want the wall. >> she's costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars because what's happening is when you have a porous border and when you have drugs pouring in, and when you have people dying all over the country because of people like nancy pelosi, who don't want to give proper border security for political reasons. >> which somehow brings us to the curious case of roger stone. he was back in federal court today, appearing before a judge, federal judge amy berman jackson, actually his lawyer was. he's charged with obstruction, witness tampering and lying to congress. ever since his arrest a week ago today, stone has been a ubiquitous presence on television. media of all kinds, really, comparing his case to a lynching. comparing the raid on his home to the raid to get bin laden. and the judge has apparently noticed. she said today she's considering a gag order

warning stone, quote, against treating his pretrial proceedings like a book tour. she went on to say, this is a criminal case, not a public relations campaign. judge jackson said adding that she understands stone wants to tell his side of the story. there's no question at this point he's had that opportunity. after she spoke those words, roger stone made media appearances, including showing up on fox news tonight to talk about the possibility of a gag order. >> the whole purpose of the gag would be so i don't poison a potential jury pool. but they've just poisoned a potential jury pool by making me look like el chapo. >> there's also this, a video roger stone posted on youtube this week detailing how a gentleman should dress for an arraignment in federal court. >> you have to think long and hard about what you'll wear about your arraignment in u.s. district court. you can't ever really do this in

a double breasted suit. it doesn't ride up properly. this is called a windsor collar or an extreme spread collar. cuff links this this case, onyx cuff links that were a gift from i think it was my first wife, actually. you never button the top button unless you're 100% italian. i'm only half italian. i'm italian from the waist down. this kind of knit tie is an absolute requirement for every gentleman. i don't want to get into this too far, but of course i am wearing underwear. i was not going commando today. and that's how you dress for your day in court. >> that's on youtube tonight courtesy of the daily caller. with that, let's bring in our lead off panel. daniel dale, his day job happens to be washington correspondent for "the toronto star,"

barbara mcquaid, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan, back with us and from "the washington post" we welcome back manuel froinzio. good evening to all of you, barbara, i have to start with you, it is a tour of clothing. at one point he also mentions how poor he is, when talking about the age of all of these items. add all of it up, it can't go over well abusinesslike law and order federal judge. >> that's right. i'm not surprised to see the judge suggest the idea of a gag order. in normal cases that don't get a lot of attention, that would be normal. in high-profile cases the judge has the discretion to implement a gag order, from preventing the defendant from getting a fair trial. she may be trying to save roger stone from himself. making all these statements and tainting a jury pool that will come in later and have to pass judgment on him. so i think that she has asked

the parties to state if they have any objection and why. and so she'll consider that, but it wouldn't surprise me to see her enter a gag order in a case like this. >> do you think he has a case when he comes back and says, this is who i am, this is how i've become, roger stone? also, by the way, i'm raising money via these appearances for my legal defense fund? >> i think what she's likely to say is that he can talk about things outside the scope of the case. the first amendment requires that if you're going to prohibit speech, it has to be narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling governmental interest and so i think that she could say, you can talk about anything under the sun, she even said today, you can talk about foreign relations, immigration or tom brady. you can't talk about your trial. i think he can talk about other things, just not his case. >> manuel, i knew the guy years ago here in new york, you have spent a lot more time with him,

and a lot more recently, is there a perhaps wounded or scared inner roger stone? or is there one layer, what you see is what you get? and this is our roger stone? >> brian, i just think that if you could go into a laboratory, pull out a petrie dish and create the most ungagable human being that any person could imagine, what you would come up with is roger jason stone jr. he is a fire hose of words and i would imagine that if this judge moves forward, with what she seems to be indicating be she wants to do, is impose a gag order, she'll have quite a battle trying to enforce that with this particular defendant. >> barbara, one more for you, before i come up to daniel, and that is, what are you telling your client if you're client is roger stone? for that matter, what are you telling your client if your client is the president of the

united states? >> most lawyers would tell their client not to talk about charges because you might say something and later decide strategically you want to take a different tact. and it can be very harmful to your case to say things when you don't have to. so, most lawyers would say that. now, when you are the president, or maybe even roger stone, i think they realize that not only is the court of law where the decisions are going to matter, but also in the court of public opinion. and so sometimes especially when you're the president, whose ultimate penalty would be impeachment as opposed to indictment, maybe it's even more important that you get your message out in the court of public opinion. >> daniel, you're the trump watcher here, so we come to you with the question, how much is all of this gumming up what would be the work of a fully functioning white house west wing and staff? >> you know, i don't think it does at this point. i think they're used to the circus. i don't know how well the staff functions at the best of times. so i wouldn't say they're functioning well at this point, but i think they're able to tune

out the legal drama, unless the president is fuming about it. and just from the outside, it doesn't seem like he's especially concerned about the stone matter, the michael cohen matter or something different. certainly the paul manafort matter he was concerned about. but this one, i think he thinks is peripheral to his own situation. whether or not it is, we don't know for sure at this point. >> miles to go before we sleep, and we're just talking about post tuesday night's state of the union. help us turn the page a little bit. what is stopping donald trump from declaring a national emergency either that night or at a previous or later date? >> i think the primary thing is that it polls terribly. i think if he thought that this would be a political winner for him, he would have done it long ago. but all of the polls have showed that as badly as his shutdown polled, the idea of the president declaring a national emergency, after everyone understands this is not a true

emergency is a sure loser for him. that doesn't mean he's not going to do it, if he's frustrated. if he doesn't think there's a better option for him, but i think he's delayed because he sees the same numbers that we all have. >> hasn't mcconnell gone to him in some form and said, boss, don't make me do this, this is not going to end well? >> yeah, but -- mcconnell also did that with the shutdown itself. >> good point. >> so did ryan. so did mccarthy, so we know that trump listens sometimes, other times he doesn't. maybe this time he has been persuaded by republicans in congress and his own staff that he should hold off for awhile. >> manuel, you also have the addad added advantage of having been based for part of your career in mexico city. as you look from the south to the north, knowing as we all do that there is a conference committee working on this, what do you think an acceptable solution might look like? >> well, certainly early on, indications that latino groups would have been willing to at least talk about a deal in which

some sort of a trade would be made for border security in return for daca recipients getting a little bit more of a break. but the problem becomes the path to citizenship. trump doesn't want to go there, latino groups would like him to go there, and it looks like a real stalemate. >> barbara, i have to ask you about a point that roger stone made that has been dangling out there all week, that is in your bailiwick, he says he was never given his miranda rights. not mirandizing someone you are arresting, if it's correct that there were 26 officers on that raid, show up at the front door with a battering ram, they know they've got media in the front yard. failure to mirandize would be a big deal. some people straight up don't believe his contention. >> actually, miranda warnings only kick in if you're going to interrogate a suspect. and so if they didn't mirandize him, and they didn't ask him any

questions, that wouldn't be a problem at all. the remedy for failing to mirandize someone is that their statements to the officers then become inadmissible at trial. so if there was no question in our interrogation, there would have been no need to mirandize him. so he may be telling the truth without any problem at all. >> that's interesting. if you're going to cuff and walk to the car and not engage in a are you guilty conversation, that can all be done during process something. >> yes. if they thought that there was no reason to ask him questions in that setting or at all because they knew he was represented by an attorney, then there would have been no need to mirandize him in that setting. >> all right. to all of our guests, our thanks for starting off the last night of a more consequential than average week as we always seem to say. daniel, barbara, manuel, thank you all for being with us. all of our returning guests. and coming up for us, an offensive yearbook photo from med school in the '80s ignites a

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northham, democratic virginia governor to resign after these racist photos from 1984 surfaced just today. pictures were published in the eastern virginia medical school yearbook. they show a man in blackface, another person in a kkk robe. northam confirmed earlier this evening he is one of the people in the photo. we don't know which one. an to state the obvious here, if it's a choice between blackface and kkk robe, it's not like one is any less offensive than the other. northam apologized in a statement, he said in part, i'm deeply sorry for the decision i made as i did in this photo and the hurt the decision caused then and now. he followed up on that statement with a hastily made video tonight in which he makes clear he doesn't intend to resign at this point. >> i cannot change the decisions

i made, nor can i undo the harm my behavior caused then or today. but i accept responsibility for my past actions and i am ready to do the hard work for regaining your trust. >> many big named democrats have started calling on northam to resign. one of his predecessors, former democratic governor phil murphy of new jersey did so tonight on the air with chris toews, kamala harris says, he should go. and this from the president of live the naacp, and we quote "blackface in any manner is always racist and never okay. no matter the party affiliation. we cannot stand for such behavior which is why the naacp is calling for the resignation of ralph northam." with us to talk about all of it, ben gellis, former

president of the naacp, candidate for governor of the state of north carolina. ben, i would like to begin with you. this comes to us from the seat of the confederacy, but this is not from a long ago era of lester maddox. making this almost worse is the time frame of these photos. you have doug wilder running for lieutenant governor, ultimately governor of the commonwealth of virginia. you had jesse jackson running as president as a national candidate. what do you think should happen here? >> he just has to step down and he should go into churches on sunday morning. and he should apologize to the people of the state. he should apologize to black people very clearly. this is a profound lack of judgment. this posing as he did. you go beyond that.

you say, wait i second, if we had character he wouldn't have done it. if he had courage he would have apologized in the years since, and his many campaigns for many offices and at some point he would have come forward and apologized. if he had candor, then he would tell us which one he was but he's been cute about that too. he's just failed. my family comes from that state and that was our ancestral home. people want leaders who have character, who have courage and who will be candid with them. and he is none of that in this moment. >> jonathan allen, what do you reckon is going to happen here? does he survive tonight, tomorrow, the weekend? >> if he was in the private sector, brian, he would have been fired several hours ago. he is on the public payroll in virginia. i don't see how this is politically survivable for him, he could sit in that office, but the calls for him to resign are going to continue to cascade, this is not something that's going to go away for him. it is not imaginable that he

will be able to regain some sort of credibility with voters in virginia. i think it's only a matter of time, the writing seems to be on the wall for the governor. obviously i wouldn't as a reporter make any calls, but just watching how this is unfolding, i don't think he's going to be able to recover from this. >> give us the thumbnail sketch of the lieutenant governor. as i remind our viewers, this is a term limited commonwealth. you can only serve one term as governor. if the lieutenant governor steps up, he has the ability to serve out the remainder of this term and run again in 2021. jonathan, tell us about him. >> justin fairfax is a young -- born in 1979, i think. a young up and coming politician in virginia. somebody who's very well known in the washington metropolitan area.

certainly with the name fairfax like the county locally here in washington, someone who has has made a name for himself quickly. is well known across the state. also is someone who may have gotten some challenges and may still get some challenges if he steps up into the governor's role. there are a lot of candidates across the state that see themselves as potential successors to northam there including the richmond mayor who could be an interesting fight on justin fairfax's hands. >> columbia law school, worked for a law firm, volunteered for the kerry campaign. i want to play for you a debate on the subject in charlottesville. everything you're about to hear tinged by the news tonight. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> i think, though, what is important is to talk about the

statues that aren't built of bronze, the inequities that we still have in our society, the inequities in access to health care, inequities in access to voting rights, inequities that we have in education. you know, that was an awakening, what we saw in charlottesville. there's still a tremendous amount of hatred and bigotry, and i was proud to be in charlottesville and stand up for what it was. i would ask ed gillespie to ask the president of the united states to do the same thing. this was hatred and bigotry, and we don't condone that in the commonwealth of virginia. >> ben, how do process that sentiment with the light, the harsh light of day today? >> having run for governor here, what i can tell you is you have to have the courage. and that would have been the perfect moment to disclose things that are time bombs in your past.

i think he thought he could get away with it because there are only 40 people in his class, they were the only ones that had this book. i guess they trusted they would keep his secret. charlottesville in the wake of that, it would have been a perfect time for him to show courage and step forward. he built this time bomb and now it seems to have blown up his career. >> do you think if he came out with this, it would have been somehow explainable, survivable? the biggest rap was quietly was that he was boring for the commonwealth and now this. >> you know, yes, people are very forgiving and people really appreciate it when you have the courage to tell them something they haven't discovered. similarly when you hide it and you hide it and you

hide it, it just comes out, you have to take responsibility and bear the price of not having been candid with people, not having the courage to step forward with something that is pretty explosive, so he could have defused this bomb at any time during his tenure in office. he just refused to do it. now he bears the price for it. >> gentlemen, thank you for a terrific discussion of an awful topic tonight. ben yellous, jonathan allen, we appreciate you both coming on our broadcast this evening. coming up for us, our american viewers may be interested to know the president has taken us out of a nuclear arms treaty with russia. general barry mccaffrey standing by to talk to us about our world and safety when we continue.

the united states will therefore suspend its obligations under the treaty effective february 2nd. russia has jeopardized the united states security interests. and we can no longer be restricted by the treaty while russia shamelessly violates it. >> we're going to talk about this controversial decision by the trump administration, capping off what has been a rocky week for the president's national security strategy, let's say. the inf signed by reagan back in '87 was considered one of the most important landmark nuclear

treaties in history. its suspension sparking fears of a new kind of arms race. it brought a public rebuke from senators of his own party. mitch mcconnell spearheaded the vote condemning trump's decision to withdraw troops from afghanistan. passed overwhelmlely by the senate. a day after our intel chiefs publicly contradicted their boss, the president's claims that threats from isis, north korea, russia had been neutralized. with us on a friday night to talk about it all, general barry mccaffrey, heavily decorated combat veteran. also happens to be a former u.s. drug czar. i'm going to ask aa series of questions all with the same words. are we less safe because of the decision on the inf treaty? >> not yet. i think there's universal

concern that it's impulsive and incoherent and uncoordinated. both president obama and trump found the russians clearly noncompliant. the missile we think for sure violates a treaty. i think the big question to me on this issue is, china isn't in the treaty. the indians, the pakistanis, the north koreans, the russians are concerned about their intermediate range missiles. at some point one hopes we get a universal treaty and bring all nations into it. so i think, you know, secretary bill perry, one of the great public servants is against the withdrawal, admiral jim starveridis. my friend and colleague. withdraw from the inf treaty is to give our negotiators some tools to negotiate with. it's not clear to me we're

unsafe. >> are we less safe because of what's unfolding to our south in venezuela? >> no, i think venezuela is a nightmare. clearly has nothing to do with u.s. military intervague. it would be an utter disaster. we're not going to do that. i'm confident. we see resignation of the acting sec-def and others and the congress would turn on trump if he does that. what do we do? 3 million refugees, starvation, murder of the people. i actually applaud secretary pompeo, whoever came up with this clever idea to recognize the opposition assembly leader. we have to do something. the people are in abject misery. we owe them an international intervention. >> on the subject of our president, you know donny deutsch, he's a contributor and talked this week on "morning joe" about the president, i want

to play it nor you. >> he completely contradicts his intelligence heads on north korea, isis, and the senate rebukes him on afghanistan and syria, and saudi arabia and yemen. he's in an alternate reality. he's insane. we laugh about it because it is so unsettling, but if we were objective from this, we had not lived through 25 months of this, you would say i'm not overstating this, he's out of his mind. he's literally out of his mind. it's unhinged, absurd. >> your words on social media this week, you said earlier this week, we are in trouble and that got my attention. are we less safe in your view because of the man who is our commander in chief right now. >> i think there's no question of it, he's putting us in jeopardy. it's hard to understand what's going on. i wouldn't use that kind of language that mr. deutch did, but i do think that we've ended up without the safeguards in the

white house of sober-minded people. i think the president is personally making these decisions. he's confiding with kim jong-un and putin and other strong men and concealing his dialogue from his own government. by the way, brian, when he says his intelligence chiefs are naive and need to go to school, where could he possibly have an alternate reality that he's saying they should understand? i mean, you can't have an alternate reality in whether iran is or is not not complying with the treaty. gina haspel so far says they are. how could he say things like, he's in love with kim jong-un, one of the most murderous despots on the face of the earth. it's an unprecedented situation, i have no idea how we should deal with this, we ought to be grateful for those intelligence chiefs who have an oath to the constitution, not to the trump

administration. >> as our viewers go to bed tonight, the primary reason not to fear for the safety of our pacific northwest is the man joining us tonight from seattle. general, always a pleasure, thank you very much for being with us. coming up for us, one democratic challenger, testing the waters in iowa, yet another finds the water is fine in new jersey. still another may announce next week. we're going to talk about 2020. maybe compile a list of who isn't running when we continue. if you have medicare, listen up.

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call this number now. there was another edition today, this growing field of democrats in the 2020 presidential race, if you're not running, please raise your hand. new jersey democratic senator cory booker made his gauzy announcement this morning in a video posted online.

raf a media blitz, booker spoke in front of his house in newark, new jersey, where he was formerly the mayor. >> people in america are losing faith that this nation will work for them. they're beginning to believe that too many folks are going to get left out or left behind and are beginning to believe that the forces that are tearing us apart are stronger than the bond us together as a people, as a country. i'm running for president because i want to address these issues. >> another possible candidate, ohio senator sherrod brown making the rounds, he was in the pivotal first in the station state as we like to call it of iowa today, part of his dignity of work tour. when asked if he's in or out, still no decision. >> where are you at right now on running? >> we're going to do this to the end. we're not thinking about it and it's not something i've dreamed

of all my life like a lot of my colleagues. it changes your life. we'll make that decision. it's a very personal family decision. >> elizabeth warren of massachusetts deftly and disparagingly nicknamed by the president, mocked even by fellow democrats for her native american heritage. today she officially apologized to the cherokee nation for the genetics test she took to try to prove her native american roots. the apology comes as warren is expected to formally launch her presidential run with a big announcement planned for next weekend. a lot to talk about it. we have two pros to do that. gabby ors and ken thomas for us covering the 2020 democrats. ken, i'd like to begin with you with the booker effect. trump said again to cbs news today, i know the guy, obviously he's from jersey, trump seems to

think cory booker would be easily handled. does booker have what it takes, do you think? >> well, he's taking a different tact than other democrats have taken. most of the democrats who have announced their candidacies are trying to offer a vision and show they can challenge president trump directly. cory booker is trying to make the argument that he's someone who can unite the country, who can bring people together, who can heal the divisions, and he's taking straight out of the playbook from president obama in 2008, also president clinton in a way, this idea of bringing a sunny, hopeful optimism. the question is, is that what the party wants right now? you know, the democrats seem to be much more interested in a more confrontational style this

time around senator booker is taking a different approach. >> what is the case for elizabeth warren according to elizabeth warren and those around her. >> i think she's the lead candidate right now on a new form of democratic populism. one that's similar to what bernie sanders outlined in the 2016 election. that is something different. i think certainly something that's going to weave its way into this speech in the coming days. she's apologized, laid the groundwork to move past the controversy over her native american heritage. now it's time to hear from her, what policies she would push for as president and how she intends to differentiate herself from the growing number of democratic candidates who are also espousing some very populist ideas. >> let's talk about the market share slice that is open should

sherrod brown say he's going to get into this. he's not trying to be coy he is really just wanting to talk about folks and feel it out. what's the market share for this dignity of work campaign he's an interesting guy. he's a yaly. he's marketed himself as a working class hero. >> it's not a choice between appealing to progressive voters in the party. voters who are more on the left and those working class voters, some of whom drifted over to president trump in 2016. he's trying to say you can have both of them, and, oh, by the way, i happen to be a senator from ohio, who won by a strong margin, and just last year the difference with sherrod brown is that a year ago, during the state of the union, he wasn't one of those democrats who was already charting a path to the white house.

last summer i think he most likely expected to just seek re-election, win another term and after the election, i think a lot of people came to him and said, you could really fill a void here in the party and he's looking at it, what's interesting about his vp r trips to iowa and he's going to go to new hampshire next week, he's taking in a lot of this -- a lot of input from the voters there. i don't think this is preordained. i think he's really doing some soul searching on whether it is the right thing for him. >> we always try to point out the state of iowa has given the united states eight of our u.s. presidents. gabby, i'm coming to you after the break. we're going to fit a break in. when we come back, donald trump about to give his second state of the union address. what to expect from this tableau on tuesday night. except for the fact that the guy on the right behind him will be

replaced by speaker nancy pelosi.

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delicious at your door. download doordash. first order, $1 delivery fee. quick reality check here, the president's state of the union address tuesday night follows the longest government shutdown in history. tonight nbc news reporting the president's speech will focus on uni unity, something the president himself said with a straight face on camera just yesterday. they've seen a leaked out portion of the speech, hoping the press would repeat it and it reads, quote, together we can break decades of political stalemate, we can bridge old divisions, heal old wounds, build new coalitions, forge new solutions and unlock the extraordinary promise of america's future. the decision is ours to make. still with us, gabby orr and ken thomas. gabby, you'll forgive me. i felt the need to tell our

viewers he said with a straight face it would be about unity. what is this going to look like tuesday? and, remember, over one of his shoulders will be the new speaker nancy pelosi. >> yeah, the new speaker who just a day ago he said was very bad for our country, and now the white house is telling us, brian, that somehow this speech is not only going to be unifying, but it's going to be visionary. that's the word that a white house official used today when briefing reporters on the content of president trump's upcoming state of the union. listen, he's supposed to touch on a number of topics, all of which have been extremely divisive under his administration. he's going to talk about health care, he's going to talk about infrastructure, trade with china, american workers and manufacturing. obviously there's going to be a great portion of this speech that focuses on immigration and what that looks like at a time when we just ended a 35-day government shutdown over that exact issue.

you know, i'm really going to be paying attention next tuesday night to see how the president somehow balances this idea of sort of unifying the country and introducing the language that he may have used in the 2018 state of the union where he talked about one american family. with all of the current things that are happening in our political environment. >> ken, let's pick up where gabby left off and talk about what kind of dynamic we can expect in that chamber. how much of a body of applause can he expect on the topic of his wall? >> not much from the majority, you know, on the house now. i mean, nancy pelosi will be behind him. you can't expect her to be applauding much at all. and we have this new class of house democrats who are very much opposed to this approach and are not going to give an n. i think, you know, you're also going to have a rebuttal from taste a abrams, the --

>> right. >> one of the stars of the midterms. she was defeated narrowly in the georgia's governor's race, but she's going to be someone who is going to be responding to the president. and it's interesting to look at, you know, who the party chose this time compared to last time. i mean, stacey abrams is someone who connects with women, african-americans. the last time they had steve bashir, the former kentucky governor, and that was seemed aimed at the working class voters who president trump had attracted. so this is much more of a combative party not willing to give much of an inch to the president this time around. >> our great thanks on a friday night to gabby orr and to ken thomas. thank you both for contributing to our broadcast. we appreciate you both coming on. and coming up for us, what's a guy from queens got to do to get a good story in the newspaper once in awhile? asks the president of the united states. if you have medicare, listen up.

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it clear he's just a man from the borough of queens, new york, asking his hometown paper to love him once in awhile. >> what you do is a very important thing. and i will tell you, i would love if i was just covered fairly. i just sort of think i'm entitled to a great story from "the new york times." i've done something nobody has ever done. i came from jamaica, queens, jamaica estates, and i became president of the united states and i'm sort of entitled to a great story from my -- just one -- from my newspaper, i mean, you know. >> earlier maggie haberman of "the times" asked him a thoughtful question about the role of a free press in a democracy, and for a few moments there his answer verged on lofty. >> but what do you -- what do you see the role of the free press as? what is it that you think the press does? >> it describes and should

describe accurately what's going on in anywhere it's covering, whether it's a nation or a state or a game or whatever. and if it describes it accurately and fairly, it's a very, very important and beautiful thing. >> but then we remembered this was the president in that same oval office just hours earlier. >> mr. president, did you talk to your intelligence chiefs today about the displeasure you had with their testimony to congress? >> i did. and they said that they were totally misquoted and they were totally -- it was taken out of context. so what i'd do is i suggest you call them. they said it was fake news, >> all one day in the life of this president and his white house as we bring another week to a close. that is our broadcast for this friday night. thank you so much for being here with us. have a good weekend and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york.

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