for everyone, politicians, activists, pundits to speak out emphatically out on everything. but it should never be bad form to say i want to wait for all the facts before i react. and if we created a an environment where it is, ticket something we all should address. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in. " >> oh, my god, i'm busted. >> roger stone's spectacular smack down. tonight the president's long-time advisor gagged by the federal judge. plus wlie the president's lawyer was meeting senators on the hill today. plus matt milleren the silence from the president after the arrest of an alleged right-wing terrorist inside the federal government. then the election fraud hearing in north carolina takes

a sudden turn. >> did you have any naunl of a ballot grabbing operation? >> absolutely not. my exclusive interview with bernie sanders. "all in" starts right now. good evening from los angeles. i'm chris hayes and it's another absolutely insane news day. roger stone has been hit with a strict gag order after he posted her picture online along side an image of cross hairs. a new congressional election was called after an elections board hearing on flagrant election fraud to boost a candidate. and reports that the mueller probe may be wrapping up any day as cohen is testifying. democrats are taking their first concrete legislative steep block the president's national emergency declaration.

and time magazine covered president trump looking back as a crowded field of declared and potential candidates eyes the oval office. a formal candidate promptly raised nearly $6 million in 24 hours. vermont senator, the runner up last time around, declaring the time had come to quote comfleet revolution and make it quote a reality. vermont independent senator, bernie sanders. let me start with the emergency declaration, since that's in the news today. chuck schumer says the senate's going to introduce a resolution as well. do you support that resolution? >> of course i do. what the president is doing is unconstitutional, illegal and part of his movement towards an

authoritarian society. he's clearly not familiar with the constitution, clearly not familiar with the separation of powers. he's the only one running the government and that has got to stop. >> you ran for president in 2016. it was a lung race a hard fought race. it's a very different world two years later for a lot of reasons. there's a dozen or so candidates or more that will be in the race. the issues, there's several that have endorsed college for all which is what you championed. why -- >> first of all i'm prude of what we accomplished in 2016 and i'm proud we changed the political discourse in this country that ideas are widely accepted are part of the mainstream, are being supported bay many democratic candidates. if you will recall three years ago it was considered to be

radical andx treme and infringed. and fringe ideas. so we've come a long way i think in transforming the democratic party and making it into a more progressive party and parted of the political revolution was to mobilize billions of people at the grass roots level and what i'm proud of in term ozf what we've accomplished. the media talks about the money. we have close to 1 million people who have signed up, who want to be involved in an unprecedented campaign. and why that's important is that i believe from the bottom of my heart that if you learn from the civil rights movement, from the trade union movement, from the women's movement, from the gay movement, you know real change never occurs unless millions are standing up and fighting back. so if we're going to pass medicare for all, we need mobilize millions of people to

stand up to the insurance companies and the drug companies. that's what this campaign is about. >> i want to ask another question about this campaign verses last campaign. because that was a very hard fought primary. competitive in a way people didn't expect at the beginning and if you're going to win this time, people who voted for hillary clinton last time around whose votes you will need and there's still some bad blood. there's still folks i talk to who feel frustrated by what they felt was your lack of loyalty to they or your support of hillary clinton or extending the primary too long. and my question is what is the message for those folks throughout who have sore feelings about that? >> i do understand that. let's get the facts correct. after i endorsed hillary clinton, i went all over this country and i worked as hard as i could to see that she was elected.

and i think we should get that clear. i think the main point to be made is that where we are right now is that many of the major issues that i have been talking about for years are now widely supported by the american people. and what we have got to do is take trump's degyre to divide us up by the color of our skin or where we were born or our agenda. we've got to bring our people together around a progressive agenda. health care is a human right. we're going to raise that minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. we're going to in a highly competitive global economy make public colleges and universities tuition free and lower student dect. we're going to address the existential climate change and create millions of jobs in the process. immigration reform.

those ideas are now ideas that the overwhelming majority of the democratic party believe in and we got to bring people together around that ajndau. >> one more question about 2016 and your campaign. you were mayor and you had executive experience. that was a large enterprise you were managing. i know you met with folks from the campaign about the cultured at misses fear as pertained to sexual harassment and leadership at a time when excessively white and male. do you take those criticisms to heart or are you doing things differently this time? >> when people said that our campaign was too white, too male oriented, they are right. you take a look at the staff that we are putting together right now. take a look at who our national cochairs are. you will see a fundamental

difference in the way our campaign is operating. in term ozf the issue of sexual harassment, that has troubled me immensely and we're putting together a protocol that will be stronger than any campaign has ever put together so that we prevent any of the problems we saw in 2016. you just talked about a lot of issues that are issues you feel passionately about that you feel guilty about. medicare for all, criminal justice reform. but prioritization seemed a key question. and what is your first -- your inaugurated and by electoral miracle or a lot of hard work, democrats have majority of the senate and the house. what's your first piece of legislative achievement do you make? >> what i look is 180 day period

and pushing forward that progressive agenda. we've got to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. we have to transform our energy system. we have enormous crisis in these countries. in terms of millions living in poverty, in terms of the shrinking middle class. it's not just one issue. we need progressive agenda. that's what i've been campaigning on. >> let me stop you. you know your waw around the legislative process and you know how important political capitol and sequencing is and prioritizeitation. those priorities when they come in first, those bills get the best sort of amount of force behind them and then you go later and they get less and less. that's the facts of how things work. >> well, i think you're looking at the past. you're not looking at what life would be like if i'm elected president of the united states. there's going to be a sense of

urgency. we're not going to do things the same old way. we have major crisis in this can country and especially after four years of the disast rb of what will be the disaster of trump if he lasts four years, we're glowing growing to have move rapidly addressing issue after issue after issue. let me mention other issues that have not been talked about. we have to pay more attention to rural america. we have to pay more attention to rural committees. we have to pay attention to the impact of artificial intelligence and robotics is having on our society in driving people out of the jobs thauvler for years there's an enormous amount of work to be done and y78 rr going to need a president and congress to focus on issue after issue to transform the economic and political life of his country. >> we've talked about domestic

issues and you've been fairly active, particularly in yemen where you've worked with citizens across aisle. and there's been reporting about sort of your foreign policy staff. i wonder is there a sanders doctrine? there a way that you view american leadership and foreign policy were you to become president? >> in 30 seconds or less, right? >> exactly. well, 15. >> all right. you got president today who supports literally supports authoritarian regimes all over the world, who supports governments run by clept krats who are billionaires. my vision of american leadership in the world is leadership which supports democracy, supports human rights, supports the entire world coming together.

to address the planetary crisis of climate chafg. and i see huge potential in the world. people all over the world saying you know what it effects china. it effects india, the united states. we've got to work together. i see a world beginning to address massive global incoming wealth and equality, where today you have a few hundred people. only more wealth on the bottom. 45 half of the world's pop ylz. i see us addressing the problems of global poverty. the rest of the world looks to the united states and says thank you, america for supporting human rights, equality and justice. >> there's an eemail that went out i think in the last few days from the trump campaign which is we've already running. it says bernie sanders announced he would be running in 2020 with a simple platform. full blown socialism.

not partial. you've called yourself a socialist for years. other kand dtds have said they're not, they're capitalists. but there's a debate about what does that mean? a lot of conservatives have pointed to venezuela and food shortages is what socialism means. what's your model for it and what does it mean to you? >> i think when we look at a modern democratic civilized society, you're looking at economic rights unaddition to political freedoms. so right now we have a constitution, freedom of speech, religion, etc. i happen to believe that in the year 2019, with all of the wealth around us, we can create an economy which guarantees health care for all people as a human right. which guarantees education from child care to higher education

as a human right. which guarantees the right of people to have decent and affordable housesing, which makes sure you're living oncommunity where the water you're drinking and the air you're breathing is clean. the economic rights as human rights. and by the way, chris -- >> right. that's my question. what you're -- and there's a national health service in the uk, we have public provision oz of those goods. is there something over and above that distinguishes your vision from welfare state? >> i shouldall add in 1944 this is what franklin del norroosevelt talked about. and what i'm talking about is exists in many countries over the world. scandinavia, college education

is free. every other mainly country on earth guaranteed health care. moesz have higher minimum wages than we do. what we're talking about is making sure that vibrant democracy and guarantees that all of our people can have a decent standard of living and that we do not have this grotesque level of incoming wealth and inequality where a handful of billionaires can spend hundreds of millions to buy elections. that's what the political rev lugsz is about, that's what democrat socialism means to me. >> let's return to the venezuela case because it's been used in the u.s. you've been critical of the medura regime. what is -- what went wrong there

in what is a validly socialist project? >> oh, well, that's a long story i don't think we have the time get into. what i will say is there must be free and fair elections in venezuela. the last elections were not free. second of all we have got to do everything we can to provide humanitarian aid so people do not starve to death. and thirdly we need make certain the united states does not do what it has done time and time again in our history and that is to get involved in over throwing governments in latin america. we that in chile, gautd mallau. the future must rest with the venezuelan people, not the trump administration. >> one of the bottle necks for all of that right now is the

house of congress you call your own, the united statessont, it has filibuster, which as we know eincreased rapidly in the deployment is essentially a 60-vote flethresh hold -- do yo favor abolishing the filibuster? >> one of those people is donald trump. so we should be thoughtful and clear about this is what trump would like to see. before we get into that, which is a very legitimate question. we need make sure the democrats contloel united states senate, which is not gauruaranteed by a means and it's not good enough to have 51 democrats. it is important to have progressive democrats. because if you think every democrat is going to support a progressive agenda, that's not the case.

>> right, but isn't that even nor case for 60 votes? >> i think what we have got to do -- you're asking a legitimate question but first things first. lits rr elect a democratic senate, make sure as many as possible are on progressives. what i said a moment age. we make change when millions demand that change. and i believe that when people stand up and fight back, yes, you're going to have the united states congress start listening to ordinary americans rather than wealthy campaign contributors. >> senator from vermont, that knows so much for taking time tonight. i appreciate it. next, roger stone's dirty tricks catch up with him again. the amazing scene that unfolded before former political advisor and a judge after this. r politi and a judge after this (vo) we're carvana,

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roger stone is officially gagged. that's pursuant to an order from judge amy jackson. after the notoriously publicity hungry advisor showed a picture of judge jackson with cross hairs. he was apologetic but the judge was not buying it. he referred to the coast guard member with a stock pile of weapons saying you don't have to look at the papers beyond today know that inciting extremists to violent action is a possibility. and warned stone this is his last chance before sending him

to jail. he she said this is not baseball. you do not get a third chance. want to bring in paul butler, former prosecutor in the department of justice's public integrity unit. wylie a senior vice president of social justice at the new cool. you don't see this that often, but i guess you don't see people like roger stone that often >> it is very rare to have someone, particularly someone who should be as knowledgeable and well represented as roger stone literally threat an federal judge. and that is what happened here and one of the things that we must focus in on is one, the judge was restrained. she clearly was concerned but also really gave him the kunt. opportunity. remember prosecutors wanted him more gagged thanch s she agreed

gag him. he can still talk about his innocence. he can still ask for donations for his legal defense but he can't talk about the fence. and what he posted wasn't just the cross hairs. i think it's important to elevate that he talked about the mueller probe as the deep state. and the reason that lends itself to being threatening, particularly where he has named a federal judge as if she is not an unbiassed and impartial jurist is that the deep state reference has caused people to go out and threatening the lives of others in the past, particularly using the info wars platform which roger stone himself maz used. go back to the guy who showed up with onsalt rifle. so it's not theeratical. and she was restrained but also trying to protect the integrity of the process and he, i think what was really interesting is

he finally got that his dirty tricks, as refers to him as trickster, his dirty trick which he may not intend. we don't know what his intention is. maybe it was just a better way to fund raise. doesn't matter when people go out and commit violent aktsz because of what you said. >> i've seen immigration lawyers and public defenders and defense attorneys weighing in saying if my client was out on bail and then posted an image of the judge in the case with cross hairs, they're not getting a second chance. what do you think? >> absolutely. i think the judge went too easy on roger stone. chris, remember the fbi raid with 29 armed agents, the s.w.a.t. team, the assault rifle, they justified that by saying this is a dangerous guy. nonetheless, he got released on bail and what does he do?

he posted an image on instagram of the judge in cross hairs and then has the tumarety to go to court and lie about it saying i didn't know they were crosshairs. i thought it was an occult symbol. if he was pedro or it qualmy, the prosecutor would have charged him with threating a judicial officer. >> one small thing is they were adjacent to the judge's picture too, be skrup ylszly factual. there's a strange thing so maybe you can illuminate. the stone case is going to go for months and we have the reporting that mueller report is going to be delivered. those are mueller's prosecutors and they're going to have to stay on the case. is that your understanding? >> look, yes. what i said earlier today is journalists will say this is

wrapping because we're hearing that there's going to be a report from robert mueller. what law hear is we're finishing act two of a three-act play and now we're moving to the third act. there's not a wrap. there's a trial. there may be nor indictments and there's the continuing investigations happening out of the u.s. attorney's offices which are a continuation of the mueller probe, even if they're not called the mueller probe and what we heard and learned yesterday from nicole wallace, from the andrew mccabe interview which is so important is he intentionally organized the probe -- what became the probe -- in a way that would protect the integrity of the investigation so they can go where they needed to go without interference from the white house. that is critically important. >> paul. >> so from today's hearing, bad news for donald trump. so roger never apologized, never

said you're sorry stone, he grauvled, man. he begged the judge not to send him to prison. this is a man who does not want to go to prison who's charged with five counts of false statements he does not have a defense to, which is why he's attacking the judge and the prosecutor rather than make a case. unless he's making a deal, home boy is going to prison for 10 or 20 years. the fact today he clearly does not want to get locked up, means that he's got to make a deal or again he's going to be unprison for the rest of his life. >> or donald trump pardons him, which is apparently what he thinks might happen. >> everyone in the courtroom was noting that mr. defiant, nixon impersonating, down the block tough roger stone was nowhere to be found as he lay himself before the mercy of the court.

from psychological perspective, that was a tell that the man is not particularly interested in spending time behind bars, which is the threat looming over him right now, which is something the white house might take note of. thank you both. still ahead deafing silence from the white house on the arrest of white supremacists planning a mass terror attack. what we're learning about the coast guard lieutenant arrested last week and why donald trump hasn't said anything about it. ap hasn't said anything about it. feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin and relief from symptoms caused

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we're learning more about the coast guard lieutenant who intend hurt civilians rarely seen by this country. prosecutors revealed he spent hours online researching famous mass attackers, including the unibomber. prosecutors say he had 15 weapons, 1,000 rounds of ammunition, a stock pile of drugs and a list of targets including prominent democrats and journalists. the only reason we found about any of this is because professor tweeted about the case yesterday after learning the details from detention memo. but to be clear that's not how

we normally learn. this is a case where good police law enforcesment work nabbed someone clearly dangerous before he was able to do something terrible. usually they want to take a victory lap when that happens and yet nearly a week after the arrest, there was radio silence from the justice department, and from the white house and there's still no response from the white house, despite repeated questioning about if and when the president was briefd and if he was aware of the arrest when he tweeted yesterday that the "new york times" was the enemy of the people. i'm joined by someone whose job included putting out press releases on these kinds of cases. former spokes person at the doj and former national justice analyst. i was scratching my head about ahodid we not learn about this for a week? am i wrong that this is weird? >> absolutely weird. six days now.

you would expect them to put out a press release when they addressed him on friday. and it's not out. and i would say your point about them wanting to take a victory lap is true. they do. but there are law enforcement reasons why they like to publicize the reasons, not just for this case, although you'd like to know etle are other people to come forwithward. because this isn't the only white nationalist domestic terrorist out there. these have been on the rise and you send the message that we'll take it seriously and you let other people who might be aif someone stock piling guns and writing manifestoes, that might be a sign. >> someone who's obsessed with eliminationest rhetoric and constantly talking about mass killers and stock piling

weapons, you might be a little concerned and something like this can give people a little bit of an incentive to think harshly about that. >> that's absolutely right and that's why the justice department publicizes these cases. there's a case of a white supremacist last january who tried to take over an amtrak train. and the justice department in that case didn't put out a press release either. she found out because a local reporter happened here and happened to come across it. it makes no sense. it's not the way we did things when i was there. not the way the justice department did so in previous administrations. i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. i can't come up with any reason why they didn't publicize the case. >> obviouslys there rather than embarrassment factor because the

guy is a current officer, lieutenant in the united states coast guard, in the marines for 20 years. you wonder if that plays into it too. >> it shouldn't for the justice department. obviously that's the case for the military. there's an uncomfortable question. there have been polls that seem to indicate that's true. the justice department doesn't have any concern about that case. more than a concern about keeping the country safe and the way you keep the country safe is when you arrest these people you alert the public so they know how to be on the lookout for other warning signs. i can see how the coast guard might have this concern, but there's no legitimate reason the justice department shouldn't be talking about this case. >> matt miller, thank you for joining me. just ahead so what was donald trump's lawyer doing on capitol hill today? let's be honest:

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. mr. cohen, why were you on the hill today? sir, were you meeting with the senate intel team? >> michael cohen was on capitol hill with his lawyer to review classified documents to the senate staff ahead of the closed door testimony, the intel committee tuesday, they'll be appearing under subpoena there before voluntarily appearing before two house committees later in the week. and crucially on wednesday the whole world will get to hear exactly what michael ecohen knows. testifies the house oversight committee in an open session. and ocohen tweeted quote the session has been set. looking forward to the #american

people to hear my #case. california, it's great to have you here. >> thank you so much. >> i understand this may be a thing the chair was handling in the schedule. it wassen o, off, now back on. >> it was very clear that president trump and his lawyer were intimidating michael cohen. so he was -- it came off because of that exactly. his family was in jeopardy. he felt incredibly in fear for his family's safety. the fact we've been able to now get him to come voluntarily is something we're happy about. if this is something the american people can see in an open setting. >> there's a dock put out

including payments to influence the 2016 election, the president's compliance of financial disclosure, efforts to intimidate cohen or others not to testify. you're going to get a chance question the man. >> the pieces i'm most interested in are sign after sign showing that trump and his allies, the appointees, the people working for him care more about business interests and who they're protecting than they do about the american people and i think that's incredibly dangerous, disturbering, something we need to watch closely. so i want to focus on the conflicts of interest. i think the debts and payments around the influence of the election is something we need to pay attention to. there's attempts to undermine democracy as it is. so all of that needs to be exposed as much as we possibly can so we can move forward. it's a travesty. >> so it's a sort of remarkable thing.

the president stands accused according to the southern district of new york and michael cohen of more or less ordering him, directing him is the word, to pay hush money. that's just a thing we all kind of know. what do you think about that? >> honestly this blows my mind. because you look back to nixon and watergate. these are things happening in the dark and we ultimately got the tapes and that's what we were finally able to bring him to impeachment and what he resigned for was basically the hiding of things. but trump is doing it in public, on twitter and it's almost luke you -- the justice system doesn't know how to respond because when somebody's committing a crime so blatantly, there's no hiding it anymore. so i also think over the past couple of years because there's been so much noise about this. so much noise about the russia investigations.

it seems like partisan politics to many in the beginning, that i think they're getting deaf to it and that means we're losing the gravity of this. >> i would agree with this and you're a freshman member, right? >> yes. >> it was a race that had a lot to do with health care and kitchen table issues. what do you think about commune can kating to your constituents how much they should care about this whether or not they're knocking down your door? >> this has been on my mind constantly. i just came from the munich security conference and heard all about how russia is the number one threat to us and our allies. it is broadly known in the defense community, within every one of our allies. but to see the way all of this has been happening, it kind of brought it all into focus for me. wait, this isn't just noise. this isn't just something

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yet another stunning development today. the ninth congressional dustricate where we have been reporting for months about what appears to be widespread electoral fraud by the republican campaign. a state board unanimously voted to hold a new election. that to after republican candidate did a dramatic about face. >> through the testimony, i've

listened to over the past few days, i believe the new election shouldn't be called. it's become clear to me that the public's confidence in the nint new election is warranted. >> remember, republicans first dismissed any chance of fraud when ballot irregular ities cam to light and said it didn't involve enough ballots to affect harris' 905 vote lead and dallas wood house attacked the state elections board saying we think they have abused their discretion and this will end up in court. the fact of the matter is mark harris won the race and got more votes. now, when it became obvious harris maybe didn't win after all, republicans began saying harris didn't know anything about what went on or the operative who appeared to roam the absentee ballot scheme and

paid by his campaign and that contention was shot down yesterday by none other than mark harris' own son, assistant u.s. attorney john harris shows up at the hearing and testifies he e-mailed his own father in writing back in 2017 about worries that dallas was breaking the law. >> and you wanted to be clear that this could all blow up, be referred to the d.a. >> yes, there is a legal dimension i thought they were illegally collecting ballots. >> which led to mark harris, the father of the man seen there testifying against him, a man that sued previously to be seated in congress because it was not fair that led to anreve state board of elections today. joining me is joe bruno, want to poke award this week and following the case. joe, really quite something.

what was it like to see mark harris on the stand today? >> it was an interesting day. it's been a week full of bombshells and today was nuclear. really after lunch break, it was a really weird feeling inside the room. we saw people walking back and forth. there were no signs of mark harris. i saw his campaign manager storm out, walk briskly on the phone and we knew something was up, of course, when the state board came back in, mark harris came in the room and got on the stand and had a stunning omission that says he believes there should be a new election. >> he has fought that for a long time and been fighting in court. now that has been called, the question is what happens next and what happens next for mark harris? >> so what happens next is there is going to be a new election and recently lawmakers in nk inco --

north carolina passed a law that will have a primary. we'll have a crop of republican candidates that will want to jump in the race. of course, they will want to look and see if mark harris is going to run for this seat again and look and see if the former representative of this seat robert will jump in the race, as well. we're looking at a new election here with a new primary, potentially a second primary and i'm thinking we're looking at a similar timeline to the third congressional district seat, which was walter jones' before he passed away. >> final question, mccray dallas, has he faced criminal charges as of yet? >> no, he has not and we actually checked in with the district attorney today who is overseeing the criminal investigation of this manner. it's a separate parallel investigation. she has been monitoring this hearing all week. she's expecting the state board to send over their filings to their office and one thing she stressed no one got any immunity for the testimony that they

provided. >> yeah, that's another shoe that seems like it will surely drop soon. joe, thanks for your great reporting on this. republicans have been fear mongering about fictional voter fraud by democratic constituents for years. the president even set seth up panel to investigate millions of claims, millions of fraudulent votes in 2016. naturally, the panel found nothing because there was nothing to find. in texas the republican secretary of state had to apologize for a false claim about supposed thousands of illegal votes, one of course the president tweeted about. the grand irony of course is that the biggest case of ele electoral fraud, one that has nothing to do with the restrictions republicans said would solve the fraud, the biggest case came from a republican campaign in north carolina. just imagine for a second if democrats had done what the mark harris campaign appears to have done in that congressional race. here to talk about that, the

president and ceo of the leadership conference and civil and human rights and jamil smith. play out the thought experiment. what would we be looking at if there was a democratic congressional candidate that engaged in what appears to be illegal criminal ballot, you know, ballot fraud. >> i mean, there would be no question that we would have seen about, you know, 20 tweets from the president and the whole package of folks with the lies for so long really to advance policies aimed at shrinking the electret and preventing folks of color mainly from exercising the franchise. this would be a massive thing just that they would be using to justify a slew of propels and policies to shrink the electret

and that is ironic. we're at a moment where november elections brought out voters that were frankly really annoyed and fed up with the corruption in the political system and voting for democracy reform up and down and we have h.r. 1 in congress seeking to end all of these lies and that's where i think the american public needs to be. this kind of scandal i think really, the crickets we're hearing from the crowd that has been peddling lies is fairly telling. >> jamil, what do you think? >> i think that she's right. we see here evidence of what actual voter fraud looks like, what ballot fraud looks like and i think that we shouldn't forget north carolina's ninth congressional district is a very heavily white district. you have a district that's 80% white and yet, the primary targets of this fraud were black and hispanic voters, and so there is still a lot of missing ballots here. there is still a lot of things that are left to be investigated. this isn't over. >> yeah, that's a great point. i want to play a little testimony. this is a voter in north

carolina who is testifying before the hearing on monday about basically having her vote stolen. take a listen. >> after that, my ballot and the signature and then took the ballot. >> took -- >> took the ballot. >> so part of the scheme here appears to be this was both stuffing ballots, taking ballots and filling them out for people but also essentially erasing the votes, tearing up or getting rid of the votes of people they suspected were voting for the democrat, primarily african americans. >> yeah, look, this is a criminal illegal scheme and the justice department in washington should be investigating. my understanding is the fbi is investigating. blatant county used to be covered by the voting rights act. shelby county decision gutted that and we need to enact and restore the act and pass a slew of reforms to protect the

franchise. we saw massive voter suppression tactics just in the most recent election. this stuff is not from the 1960s and '70s. we're seeing it play out and undermining faith in the democracy and that's why we need to pass these major reforms that we're seeing passed in states around the country, we need to do it federally. >> jamil, an ironic details of this is the fact so much powe c -- focus has gone into voter i.d. to stop what they say is some, you know, vast amount of in person fraud. in this case, that essentially doesn't exist. the one place there might be vulnerabilities is absentee ballots which we know republicans tend to use more than democratic constituencies. >> the thing i see here is

vehicle le vehic vehicle lance going forward until we get at least another president potentially democratic takeover in the senate to get the reforms passed. democrats are going to signify what their priorities are in the senate with h.r. 1, with perhaps other legislation but voters are going to have to make sure that they are on top of their own stuff. there are state lowaws, local ordinances and candidates owned morals as we see with mark harris to make sure their votes count. >> yeah, do you think there will be fallout from this in a national sense? >> yeah, i mean, look, there is fallout from the 2016 election. i mean, that i think the kind of level of concern around meddling, voter suppression and folks inside and peddling of lies around, you know, massive illegal voting in person, illegal voting.

this stuff is having a really corrosive effect and there is no question we'll see in the upcoming election, these issues play themselves out in real -- on the national stage as they should. >> thank you both for your time. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. it's been a tremendously busy day. a federal judge ruled alex acosta broke the law when he was a u.s. attorney and gaifzve a secret non-prosecution agreement to a non-serial sex offender. alex acosta is still serving as of tonight. so far the white house had no response to that federal judge's ruling today. also today, in that botched election in north carolina that resulted in there being no member of congress seated from that district, we now know how