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>> you got it just in time. >> thank you congressman tim ryan of ohio, really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> tim ryan gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" starts now. >> tonight is two weeks since robert mueller handed over his report. the battle over its release ladies and gentlemens on. now the president is mounting a legal fight to keep congress from getting a hold of his tax returns. plus, as he checks out a repair border wall in california, donald trump declares the country full, migrants he warns need to turn around. and, for a week of controversy, joe biden jokes about hugging but he declared his candidate for president. his potential rivals will be in critical states this weekend trying to stake their own territory. "the 11th hour" on a friday night starts right now.
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good evening once again from our nbc headquarters, i am steve kornacki in for brian. two weeks since special counsel mueller turned in his 400-page report to attorney general william barr ending his investigation. the headlines of no collusion between the trump campaign and russia sent the president off on a victory tour of sorts. what has played out since then has complicated his efforts to claim complete exoneration to the issue of potential obstruction of the investigation itself. a quick reminder of what has unfolded these past two weeks. mueller submitted his findings as we said on march 22nd, two fridays ago. and then two days later barr sent to congress the four-page letter summarizing his principal conclusions.
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on march 29th barr told lawmakers he's expected to release a redacted version of that report by mid april. democrats are pushing to get it sooner. this week, the judiciary committee authorize for the full document. this week we also learned that some members of mueller's team reportedly have concerns that barr may have glossed over key findings in the mueller report, particularly when it comes to evidence against president trump on the topic of obstruction. again, that according to reports that have emerged. barr and mueller had a long standing relationship and the men have known each other for three decades. barr served as attorney general back in 1991 under bush 41. mueller was his assistant attorney general. today trump made it clear that he's more than pleased of barr handling of the situation. >> he's a fantastic attorney general. he's so respected in the department of justice and by these people. that's what we need. he's a great gentleman.
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>> now barr has been promising to release the report with redactions by the middle of the month. house democrats say they are ready to try to force its release if need be. democrats are also using their congressional power to pursue the president on other fronts this week. democrats demanded six years of trump's tax returns. trump not only indicated he intends to fight that request but he implies that his attorney general might help. >> of the irs not to disclose to the house ways and means committee your taxes? >> >> they'll speak to my lawyer and to the attorney general. >> oh, i don't know. that's up to whoever hand handles it. hey, i'm under audit. but that's up to whoever it is. from what i understand, the law has been 100% on my side.
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they elected me. i keep going. i am under audit. when you are under audit, you don't do it. other people are under audit and nobody would do it when you're going through an audit. i always go through audits, they audit me all the time. trump has been using that audit claim ever since the campaign when he became the first party nominee in decades to refused to voluntarily release his tax returns. his lawyers also weighed in on a letter to the treasury department, they asked that trump returns not be released. writing this about house democrats. the president is their political opponent, they want to use the information to damage him politically. they add the irs should reframe from divulging the request until it receives a formal legal opinion from the justice department's office of legal counsel. meanwhile the president's former personal attorney returned to the spotlight as well today with a last ditch effort to stay out of jail. michael cohen suggests to
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congress that he has dirt on the president and he'll give it to he regains access to files that democrats but he wants their help keeping him out of prison. cohen's legal team says he's regained access to files the fbi the fbi seized last year. 14 million other documents. today trump dismissed cohen saying he's not worried about any new potential revelations. >> he's old news. >> he lied numerous times during his last testimonies. they had it for many months. >> cohen is scheduled to head to prison on may 6th. he pleaded guilty to several crimes including a campaign finance scheme in which federal prosecutors in manhattan have implicated the president. that scheme involved hush money payments during the 2016 campaign to two women who said they had affairs with mr. trump. exactly one year ago today, the katherine lucy is standing by to join us momentarily. exactly one year ago today
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she asked trump about the payments to one of those payments. >> did you know about the $130,000 for stormy daniels? >> why did michael make that statement? if there was no truth. >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. >> here is what cohen told congress back in february about that payment scheme. >> mr. trump directed me to use my own personal funds from the home equity line of credit to avoid any money being traced back to him that can negatively impact his campaign. the president of the united states thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. let's bring in our lead-off panel, matthew miller, katherine
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lucy, white house reporter from the associated press and eliot williams, appointee during the obama administration. he was also counsel to chuck schumer on the senate judiciary committee. thank you all for being with us. katherine, let me start with you and ask you to take us inside the white house in your sense of how they view these last two weeks. we lay out the major events since mueller turned in that report to the attorney general. we have seen the polling and we talked about this and despite those initial headlines and no bounce and no change in the president's public support. does the white house view this as a missed opportunity in any way or was this something they were expecting. >> as everything with this white house there's -- feelings were mixed. there was a huge sense of relief when the findings, the initial summary came out.
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i think there was a lot -- a great feeling this is behind them and they can move forward. so i do think the general sense was positive. in the early days. the president pivoted to other issues. he quickly moved onto healthcare fight and immigration and threatening to shut the border. those things and very quickly, i mean the sort of the victory lap or the football spiking of the early days quickly made way for series of policy battles which have been mixed successes. the president sort of backed off some of those threats. he has not followed through. and so i think overall now, there is a sense a chunk of this behind them. the top line stuff they felt good about but like the rest of washington, people are waiting to see what's left. what is in the rest of the report and what's going to be in the redacted version.
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are there any other shoes to drop? >> the two questions i guess when the public will get a chance to see that full report and how substantial and how significant those redactions will be when that report assuming it is released publicly somehow. how much of that report will actually be readable by the public? >> i would think it is a significant amount of it. look, this all gets back to the fundamental question, we just need to see what's in the report. all of this sort of the woes the president have seen stems from the failure of the attorney general to handle the roll-out of when the report was complete. legal analysis does not lend itself well to cliff notes and the four page summary that barr put together really did the american people an enormous disservice. some of the information will be redacted from it. there is a lot of legal analysis. what provided the ultimate
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i don't want to say conclusions because they always saw where we have summarized the shorthand version. in law school you learn some of the most important information is in the footnotes that the bases of the legal analysis. when you are talking about was there obstruction of justice and even if it is not criminally chargeable. what kind of facts were there. we need to know more. again, it is just perplexing. i know matt has written about this the last couple of days. it is perplexing how bar handled this. why he even made the determination he did and could have left the determination to congress whether obstruction is found. i have been scratching my head. there is not much hair on it. i have been scratching it all week. i think we need to get this report out, steve. >> along those lines, you have been critical of the attorney general handling of this. it seems to me there is ultimately likely to be a fairly public test of his initial
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assessment and his four-page assessment that we read over the last couple of weeks and what the report says. at some point it seems likely that we'll be able to compare those two. >> we'll be able to compare something in relatively short order. the attorney general says he'll make it available by mid april, that would put us the end of next week to get the following. i still think there is a big question hanging over what we are going to see and what congress is going to see at that time and whether we'll see the full unredacted report months or a year later if he insisted on taking it to court. the thing that's been troubling of the way he handled it among other things. some of the redactions where he moved the goal posts on them, outlined two categories of redactions and redacting information consistently in the past made available to congress.
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he knew it has been withheld. his action and a lot of cases have looked suspicious. there is no other way to explain them other than him trying to put the scale for the president. he had the most respected prosecutors of his generation of bob mueller working for him managing the investigation. the best thing he could have done for the justice department, the justice department have been battered by the president. of course for events in the 2016 election. the best thing he could have done was just to have gotten out of the way. let bob mueller's reputation for -- carry the day and let his work speak for itself. the fact that he has not done that leads to serious questions to why he has not. the only good answer is he wants to help the president that appointed him to the extent he can. >> there is this renewed issue of the president's tax returns with democrats using that power they now have in the house of representatives to demand six years of his tax returns. now tonight, as we said there at the top there, matthew, you have trump's private lawyer, personal lawyer th
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department under which you have the irs, telling the treasury department, don't do this and don't comply with congressional democrats. until you get an advisory from the doj. this is private attorney, how would the treasury department and how would the doj and how would they regard a communication like that? from a president's personal attorney, do you suppose. >> it is a very strange thing for someone outside the government to ask for one government agency to seek an opinion from the office of legal counsel. that office is the office inside the justice department. that decides the law inside the executive branch and tells other agencies what they can and can't do under the law. it is weird for someone outside the government to insert themselves and leads the question whether the president's outside attorney have some hits how they ought to rule. sometime these questions are complicated. this one is not. the law is very clear. it says the irs shall turn over the tax returns if they get a request from the ways and means committee. there is no discretion.
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no reason for them to delay or deny or fight it in court. it is fairly straightforward it ought to be a fairly straightforward olc opinion as it ought to be a straightforward decision by the irs. the thing that's concerning and you see these remarks coming from the white house, they're going to resist this request. it is another sign that the president have had this 14th view of the government. i am the state, this is me. this is his view of the justice department. the irs exists to protect his personal interests and not to carry out the law. as they're supposed to do. >> to take that a step further the president has a misunderstanding of what the role of the attorney general is. he sort of seems to think of the attorney general by extension of legal counsel as his personal attorney. we ran into this with him and jeff sessions where he believed that sessions needed to be looking out for his personal
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interests and not the interest of the justice department or the united states. what's particularly troubling here to the extent the challenge, a challenge to this statute which what matt said they will lose. his personal attorneys could have brought that constitution challenge running to the justice department and as if the attorney general having some obligation to protect the president's personal interest. it is foolish and contrary to what the plain language of what the law says. >> katherine, we mentioned at the top of michael cohen reemerging and essentially putting an offer out there for congressional democrats looking for them. i think he wanted a letter from them that may help him in terms of the looming imprisonment that he faces. any indication democrats are going to take that bait? >> here is a little bit like a bad penny. he keeps on popping up when he does not need him. i am not clear if this latest
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offer is going to go anywhere of the materials he's talking about providing anything new. i think it is a reminder of his sort of looming presence and the fact that trump can't quite get past this, these legal questions about what happened to these payments and the still ongoing investigation that this stuff still hangs over him even if the mueller investigation is not completely behind him certainly wrapping up. >> all right, katherine lucy, eliot williams and matt miller, thank you for being with us. coming up the president tries out a new argument during his border visit today. he tells migrants to turn arounds because his country is full. the first public hearing since the country broke about his unwanted touching. joe biden responds. "the 11th hour" is just getting started on a friday night. ♪
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some of it is 30 feet or 15 feet, some of it's 12 feet, depending on the area. much of it's reenforced heavily and very, very hard to climb. if you want to climb that, it is pretty sharp on top, too. if you want to climb that, you deserve whatever you can get. it is a very, very hard.
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it is called anti-climb. it's a great wall and i think it looks fantastic. >> president trump on the southern border today. he told immigrants to turn around because the country is full. he also toured a section of replacement border fencing. "the new york times" reports "the small section of wall that mr. trump saudi in front of is not evidence the president is building a wall he repeatedly called for during his 2016 presidential campaign but merely an upgrade of fencing. trump's border visit continued after days of threats. trump warned mexico that he'll give them a one-year warning. before imposing tariffs and closing the border. but this morning before leaving for california trump says he never changed his mind about shutting down the border. >> i never change my mind at all. i may shut it down at some point.
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i'd rather do tariffs. mexico, i have to say has been very, very good. you know over the last four days since i talked about shutting down the border. if they continue that everything will be fine. with us tonight, phillip eliot politics correspondent for "time" magazine. and gabby orr, thank you both of you for being with us. phil, is there a relationship and maybe you can describe the relationship between the president's decision not to close the border as he's threatened to do and the message that he was spouting today on this tour of the border? >> this is entirely red meat for the president's base. this is something that's a guaranteed applause line at his rallies for people watching at home who live stream every event he has. this is where he feels comfortable in communicating the base.
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it is not persuading any voters to come aboard and support him. this is not a moment of persuasion. it's a moment of motivation. as we get closer to 2020. we'll see much more of this type of campaign rhetoric. >> as we mentioned a new variation on his message when it comes to immigration. the president is talking about the idea of the country being full. let's take a listen to that. >> so as i say this is our new statement. the system is full. we can't take you anymore. whether it is asylum or anything you want, illegal immigration, can't take you anymore. our country is full. our area is full. the sectors are full. can't take you anymore, turn around. that's the way it is. >> gabby, i think we saw this week in terms of the tension there seemed to be between trump and sort of republicans in washington who get uneasy about this hard line rhetoric on immigration. you have a president there who
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believes this one of the key issues that got him into the white house. and maybe have republicans in washington who say hey, it was the president taking that hard line stance on immigration in october, early november, 2018 that led him part to that democratic surge in the midterm elections. >> right, steve, what we are seeing is eerily similar to what happened just before the midterm elections when nearly every republican on capitol hill was urging president trump to focus on tax reform. focus on the positive economic conditions. new jobs today which is a positive for this administration. here he's in calexico, california, talking about immigration. as phil said the issue he goes back to is the one he feels most comfortable talking about and as we approach the height of the 2020 presidential election where he's going to be making the case for reelection. he's talking about immigration,
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much to the chagrin and frustration of a lot of these republican leaders who wish he would focus on other issues the last time around and worry there may be the same consequences if he continues down the path. >> phil also the news the president abruptly withdrawing the nominees to lead i.c.e. immigrations and custom enforcement saying he wanted to go in a tougher direction. you wonder. he does seem to have that appreciation, that nondness for what you might say are dramatic gestures. he had the idea of shutting down the border. that's not happening at least for the moment he had the idea of shutting down the border. it is not happening now for the moment. is this one attempt of the dramatic gesture replacing another? >> you see this with the president all the time. when he enters a place where he has perceive threats. he knows how to change the headlines. he was seeing some of the support go wobbly for him to that, hey, maybe this border wall is not being
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built and we are not getting as tough as we want it. reports that jared kushner is working behind the scenes to build a bipartisan -- lest anyone thinks he's going soft, he booted the i.c.e. director nominee and started doubling down on the type of rhetoric that we see from those around policy advisers, steven miller. >> is there any sense of any indication. is there a next, the president started getting into healthcare about a week ago seemed to back off that moment. now the immigration, is there another theme he wants to hit after this or any indication? >> i think simultaneously with immigration we're going to see a focus on trade negotiations with china, it's wve heard the white house and senior administration officials talk quite a bit about behind the scenes. it is something that we heard the white house since senior
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officials talked about behind the scenes and how they are inching closer and closer and trade negotiations with china and the deal can be well imminent that a signing ceremony can take place a month or so down in mar-a-lago. i think immigration is an issue that president trump plays up right now especially in the midst of what's happening on capitol hill and reaction to the mueller, the conclusion of the mueller investigation and this onslaught of investigation that congressional democrats are leading against this president. he wants to talk about immigration and something he knows plays well with his base. it is an issue he's comfortable talking about. also something that as he's down there highlighting these new areas of border construction whether or not they are initiated by his administration or the obama administration to him is besides the point. he can be down there and having opportunities and in front of improved or updated border infrastructure. that's something he knows plays well with those voters who backed him in 2016 and may be looking to support him again in 2020.
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>> gabby and phil, thank you for both of you being with us. joe biden faces reporters. his first in-person response in the controversy over a person's physical space. it may not be what anyone is expecting. when "the 11th hour" continues.
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are you running in the 2020 race? >> i am told by lawyers that i
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got to be careful of what i say so that i don't start the clock ticking and change my status. my intention from the beginning to run will be the last in the round. to announce. so i will get a shot and we are off to the races. >> joe biden is not leaving any room for doubt that he is getting ready to join the 2020 race. he attempted today to move on from allegations he made women feel uncomfortable in the past. >> i just want you to know that i have permission to hug lanni. you guys can sit on the edge or -- i don't want you to have to stand. all alone. but it's up to -- by the way, he gave me permission to touch him. now biden's jokes did not sit well with his accuser, lucy flores.
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flores tweeted "to make light of something as serious as consent degrade the conversation everywhere women are courageously trying to have. biden offered something of a mixed apology later. >> it wasn't my intend to make anyone uncomfortable. >> i am sorry i did not understand that. i am not sorry for any of my attentions or anything that i have done. i've never been disrespectful intentionally to a man or a woman. >> and with us to talk about jonathan allen and lonnie chen president facing the press today. we've seen the video from him. we've seen a couple of statements as this story has sort of played out.
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how has this landed inside biden's world. are they nervous of the long-term impact or feeling this thing as minimal. in terms of its impact? what are they thinking inside? >> i think they have to be nervous. i've talked to some people who have talked to the inner circle and you know i think and i have talked to some democrats who are looking at supporting biden. i think the concern here isn't just the issue with touching, but also the handling of this by the biden camp. it's not just a question of the particular issue. but is this campaign ready to go? is joe biden somebody who's in the moment of 2019? does he understand how to handle burgeoning crisis? you know, personal crisis in this case rather than a national crisis. a lot of the response looked a bit like 1975 and not 2019. he did not come out and talk to camera immediately or reporters immediately. he put out a statement for a spokesperson, all of that was
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sort of old handling, it took a week to get this sort of behind him. today after he went out and said he was very sorry and taking it all seriously in the first video and he goes out and makes jokes and talks to reporters. i am sorry that i joked about it. the message is totally muddled on this. and then it looked like he might take the opportunity to turn the corner and maybe announce his presidential run really an opportunity to get the headline there, and then he backs away from it and says the lawyers say i can't say that. it is unclear of his message and mission. from the sources that i talked to, there is a lot of concerns whether he's ready for primetime. >> what you are describing is it reminds me in his political career, they used to say joe biden was the gaffe machine. you'd have these carefully scripted events and joe biden could blow them up with something completely unexpected.
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this tendency that biden has to go off scripts and going in directions that people were not expecting. it could cut one of two ways. it could be a sign of a lack of discipline, a sign of problems looming for his campaign or also that chance, i suppose, that it strikes people as refreshingly, excuse me, human. >> i think how biden has handled it is the best way to handle it while being true of who joe biden is. one of the things about his campaign is whatever you think of his style, it will be his style uniquely. the challenge in my mind has always been, you got a 20th century candidate running in the 21st century cycle. truly a 21st century cycle. the nature of the response, he's an old fashion paul. it is a different democratic party. it is not even the democratic party of barack obama. it is not the democratic party the last time he ran for president. it is a different party of a different set of equities now. how is he going to adapt to that? can he adapt to it?
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>> it is the party of obama. he called himself, obama/biden democrat. john and lonnie are going to stay with us. coming up, the one place you can find most of the top democratic contenders when "the 11th hour" continues.
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roger. hey rick, all good? oh yeah, we're good. we're good. termites never stop trying to get in, we never stop working to keep them out. terminix. defenders of home. we have been talking about the challenges that joe biden faces if he does decide to go forward. he has not announce his candidacies. over a dozen others have. six of them were at a network conference event. an event that's essential stop for democrats running for president. the candidates used the opportunity to talk about race and other issues that are important to black voters. >> we have a president today who
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is a racist, who is a sexist, who is a homophobe and who's a religious bigot. >> in america, justice has not been applied equally for all. so let's talk about that. let's speak truth that the last two years, it had gotten worse. >> still with us, jonathan and lonnie chen. bernie sanders, this was the story in 2016, he was getting close to hillary clinton. and the ultimate reason he couldn't get the nomination, overwhelming support for clinton among black voters. i think it was 72 margin that clinton beat sanders by. the prospects of sanders reversing black voters in 2020. >> it is a huge x factor here.
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lonnie was just talking about joe biden being a 20th century candidate in a 21st century race. i think what's mas nating about bernie sanders, basically the same age as joe biden, he's shown an adaptability now, he's learned from 2016, he's talking about racial justice alongside economic justice, what you just heard in that clip, this is somebody who's learned, who's adapted, who is trying to make that bridge to african-american voters and look, bernie sanders as han advantage in this race unlike anybody else's which is he's got a national network. when they start looking for delegates which is someone who's going to have at least 15% in almost every congressional district in the country. he'll be able to pull delegates from almost every congressional district, win some states, huge as he tries to win delegates and get plurality. and kamala harris, can she get the african-american vote? can he consolidate it the way barack obama or hillary clinton did or anything close to that? if she can do that, she's also
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in a good position like sanders is with delegates all over the country. >> what i see with sanders as well, if you look at the polls of democratic voters, favorable, unfavorable, he's basically as popular as joe biden is with democrats, very popular. we think back to 2016 and we say, oh, there was this ceiling there, all these voters who just wouldn't do it and i start to look at those numbers, as the field narrows, he may be more voters' second choice than we realize. >> he's an underpriced asset right now. bernie sanders, old hat, i don't get it. he has adapted to the cycle in an adept way. we know he's going to have fund raising prowess that will allow him to remain in the race and remain viable. some other folks are untested. kamala harris, we don't know what her fund raising prowess is like. has she basically maxed out people at this point? we don't know about the other candidates in the way we know
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bernie sanders will have that viability. the race will narrow to two or three by the tame we get past super tuesday and then the question is going to be in a one on one matchup who will perform better for the cycle, who will perform better in being able to speak to the issues that these voters care about? and it seems like so far bernie sanders has demonstrated an adaptability much more than joe biden. >> how seriously when you talk to democrats, sanders will be a factor, how seriously do democrats take the possibility he's not just a factor, that he win it is nomination. >> there's a big split, professional democrats think bernie sanders isn't going to be their nominee. if you talk to voters there's a different perspective on that. but it is important what the professional democrats think because if nobody gets a majority going into the democratic convention and we're a long way from that, but if nobody gets a majority, you basically end up bringing super delegates back in on a second ballot and you have coalitions essentially of multiple candidates if there's a plurality leader going in.
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there's professional democrats that matter and their perspective matters. bernie sanders doesn't have a lot of allies. elizabeth warren is his potential ally, the person who could maybe bring delegates to him. everybody else probably would try to stop bernie sanders from getting the nomination. a long way for all of this to play out. but democratic voters are a lot less against bernie sanders than professional democrats are. >> i wonder, i mean, it's too soon in some ways, it's theoretical if sanders ever got the nomination. i do wonder. i've seen some talk, this would be the dream scenario for trump to get sanders as an opponent. trump is proof of you never know in a general election. the one similarity i kind of see there is that with trump you had so many people in his own party who didn't like him, and i wonder if it gave him a certain measure of credibility with non-republican voters, with independent voters that, hey, if the system is this scared of him, maybe there's something there. i wonder if democrats end up
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ganging on sanders and somehow he got the nomination if there ends up being an appeal of independents along the same lines. >> the challenge stylistically sanders and trump, they both thrive off conflict and negativity. you're not going to out-trump donald trump. you are not going to run a campaign that is going to be on sort of his wavelength but do it better. i just think that you've got to have a very different kind of contrast. i don't believe bernie sanders brings that. the question is at what point do democratic primary voters say we're thinking about the general election, thinking about this matchup, is bernie sanders the kind of candidate we want to put up against trump. >> there's a huge structural difference between the democratic primary and the republican primary. donald trump was able to take advantage of the win all. 30% or 40% base of republicans allowed him to get out front and be unbeatable. with sanders, if you have 20%,
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30%, something like that, that may not be enough in a proprorgsal primary system to end up winning the delegation. >> if you look at his poll numbers now, unfavorable with democratic voters, 12%, 13%, not much, the question is like you're saying if he starts getting real traction and there is an effort to stop him, how successful would sort of the -- you want to say the elites of the democratic party be in raising those negatives and creating that ceiling? that's a long way from now but it's fun to talk about. jonathan allen, lonnie chen, thank you both for being with us. identity crisis in the age of trump when "the 11th hour" continues.
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are you suggesting that the party is moving too far to the left? can you win in a primary? >> we'll find out whether i can win in a primary. if you look at all the polling data, and look at the actual results, the party has not moved to the way, whatever -- i don't want to characterize it, whatever characterization you
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just made. the fact of the matter is the vast majority of the members of the democratic party are still basically liberal, moderate democrats in the traditional sense. i'm an obama/biden democrat, and i'm proud of it. >> that was joe biden today, the question you've been hearing, one of the questions about biden, about a lot of the candidates in this field, this idea out there that hey the democratic party you think of like of caucasio-cortez moving aggressively to the left, is a candidate like biden, a potential candidate, is a candidate like that going to be left behind? take a look at how joe biden does as we seem to expect he will enter the race, how will he stack up and where is the party right now in terms of its ideological direction? this is the average of all the polls that are out there right now on the democratic side and
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you see biden has been running in first place, high 20s, getting close to 30%. sanders behind him. a bunch of candidates there led by kamala harris, just into single digits, high single digits and less and plenty of candidates who aren't even listed here. how about this though? in terms of popularity. everybody, almost everybody who's a democratic voter knows who biden is and almost all of them have a positive view of him. biden does have a lot of good will. you heard him there, he talked about being an obama/biden democrat. a lot of democrats remember him fondly. here we go. this is the question. the ideology of the democratic party, biden says, you know, it's still a traditionally liberal party. now if you ask democrats, liberal, moderate, conservative, you see it right there, 46%, a plurality call themselves liberal. what's interesting, go back over a decade when they asked this question before there has been significant movement in the democratic party.
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to the left. to the liberal side, a 14 point jump. 13 years here, 2006. it was at 32 in 2006 who called themselves liberals, back to 20 moderate was the number one answer among democrats. now it is liberal. it's by far liberal so the party has been moving in a more liberal direction if you went even further into this you would see this is a particular movement among college-educated white voters, the more conservative voters in the democratic party, more moderate conservative voters tend to be non-white, tend to be hispanic and tend to be black. the party is changing in ways, a lot of good will in democrats. there are a lot of choices democrats are going to have on their ballot when we do get around to primaries. he is independent, rich, he is flirting with a third party presidential run and he can solve one of the nation's biggest problems, that's next when "the 11th hour" continues.
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and the last thing before we go tonight former starbucks ceo howard schultz exploring a run for the white house sat down with our down ali velshi and
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stephanie ruhle this afternoon. the conversation became spirited and pointed. >> i said earlier we have a bifurcated economy, we have 42% of americans today, their families, don't have $400 in case of an emergency. you've got 5 million kids in america ages 18 to 24 who are not in school and not in work. >> i don't mean to interrupt you. you said that ray dal owe said -- >> jamie dimon. >> a lot of americans knew this a long time before you really rich guys started talking about how bifurcated america is. that's where we are today. do you get why some people don't really think you've got all the answers, i don't know who told you that america is bifurcated. somebody came -- >> i appreciate you calling me a rich guy. but i grew up in -- >> you are a rich guy. >> i'm self-made and i built a company that employed over 3 million people, the last 40 years. and gave health care, ownership, and free college tuition to every employee. >> but you get when you rich
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guys get into the bifurcation discussion we've been having for decades. >> a lack of leadership, two sides unwilling to face the issues and solve america's problems. >> you're telling me economic bifurcation in america is because of democrats and republicans not agreeing on policy? >> i'm talking about the lack of leadership and understanding of fiscal responsibility for elected officials to do the right thing. how can you disagree with that? >> that's not the answer in all those countries yet the world is bifurcated. >> i'm not here talking about all these countries, i'm talking about america. >> the reason they're not bifurcated is republican and democratic policies, it's a global issue in wealth concentration, not actually about political disagreement on policies. >> i didn't create the policies that we are now under. >> i understand that. >> i'm here to tell you that i am looking at the current situation, economically in this country, and if you want to solve the problems, you have to have the kind of leadership that cooperates with one another and
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is not steeped in ideology. >> and that is our broadcast for this friday night, and for this week, brian will be back here on monday. thank you for being with us, and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. ♪ they call it the gold coast. the sun, the sea, and in this million dollar home, a mystery. >> he was talking on the telephone when he heard a loud bang. >> a woman murdered. her husband left blind. >> are you bleeding do you see any blood? >> i'm bleeding all over, yes. i can't see. >> but who? >> everyone is somewhat of a suspect. >> and why? >> what brings someone to make a decision they're going to do this. >> was it love? >> what we learned was he was having an affair. >> was it money?


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