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cleared the way to the defeat of the nazis let's hope for all-time. that is our broadcast on this wednesday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from our nbc headquarters here in new york. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. that is a hard act to follow. fantastic town hall with chris hayes and senator elizabeth warren in a conservative corner of indiana. that was just fascinating. we're going to be running through some of the highlights from that. we're also going to be talking to chris live a little bit later on just in a few minutes from now to talk with him about how he thinks that went and some of the news that senator warren just made tonight. very exciting. but meanwhile, we are having another one of those days in this presidency where it feels like president richard nixon wrote the first draft of what's about to happen here for us. he tried all the stuff before and showed how it works out, but
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for whatever reason, our current president in this current presidency either don't know that nixonian history, or they don't mind it, or maybe they think it will turn out differently if they try nixon's playbook a second time around. it's happening again. in the spring of 1970, so about halfway through nixon's first term, when he was starting to worry in earnest about his reelection prospects, things were going pretty poorly for richard nixon on lots of fronts. on april 30th that year, 1970, nixon gave a somber and poorly received primetime address to the nation in which he asked for public support for him expanding the wildly unpopular vietnam war into a neighboring country. now needless to say, the american people were not psyched about this, and they were not persuaded by his arguments in that speech.
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>> to protect our men who are in vietnam, and to guarantee the continued success of our withdrawal and vietnamization programs, i have concluded that the time has come for action. this is not an invasion of cambodia. the areas in which these attacks will be launched are completely occupied and controlled by north vietnamese forces. our purpose is not to occupy the areas. we take this action not for the purpose of expanding the war into cambodia, but for the purpose of ending the war in vietnam and winning the just peace we all desire. >> that was april 30th, 1970. and of course by that time the u.s. had already expanded the war into cambodia, but that was nixon making this primetime public address, basically retroactively asking for a public blessing of that expansion of the war. he did not get that public blessing. within a week of that speech, national guard troops were
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shooting live ammunition at a student anti-war protest in ohio. four students shot dead in kent state less than a week after that speech. 11 days after kent state, two more student protesters shot dead at jackson state in mississippi. another 12 students were wounded by gunfire there. that was may 1970. by june 1970, the nixon administration had started casting about for some sort of public gambit to try to reclaim the narrative, to try to change the story. and in june 1970, they hit upon an idea that must have struck them at the time as a sort of cheap and cheerful way to turn the whole mood of the country around. at least that's how they approached it. "the new york times" was first to break the news about their plans in mid-june 1970. quote, a small piece of scrap paper was taped on the lobby wall of a washington office building this week to notify the public of a new tenant. on the paper in red crayon were the words "honor america day committee, suite 506." the new tenants set up headquarters in the capital a
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few days ago. it's planning honor america day in washington on july 4th. a series of patriotic activities highlighted by a mass rally and fireworks display in the evening at the washington monument. although the committee is using crayons and scrap paper for signs, it's being directed by executives who wear expensive business suits and shiny cuff links. the chairman of the executive committee is jay willard marriott, 69-year-old owner of the hoand restaurant chain. a friend of president nixon's, and incidentally, chairman of president nixon's inaugural celebration. mr. marriott said in an interview, quote, so many people are talking adversely about america these days that we want to show that most people in this country love america, despite her imperfections. we hope honor america day will unify us fundamentally in our belief in our wonderful nation. so this is mid-june, 1970. mid-june. nixon has had this terrible
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spring, expanding the vietnam war, mass rejection of the expansion of the vietnam war. he had run for president saying he had a plan to end the war. now here he is expanding it. having been caught expanding it, here he is explaining why he did so and not persuading anyone. they're killing students who are protesting against the war on two different college campuses in the previous month. nixon administration's plan to turn it around is that in mid-june so, quick turnaround, right, they decide they'd would rebrand the fourth of july. that year starting in 1970, the fourth of july would be called honor america day because the fourth of july was somehow not redounding to the president's benefit. and so they thought maybe they could change that. they could change the narrative around the fourth of july to make it a pro-america, pro-nixon or maybe even a pro-war kind of thing. was that a good idea to try to do that? by the eve of the event, by july 3rd, it was already clear by the news coverage about what was about to happen that that fourth of july rebrand was going to be a little bit weird.
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>> this afternoon some the u.s. announced their final preparations while others were being made. some people say honor america day will be -- not so say the events organizers. anyway, this afternoon some of the people who will probably not attend tomorrow's activities came by to see what was going on. ♪
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>> so that was july 3rd, nbc nightly news. the following day, july 4th when honor america day rolled around nixon's effort to rebrand and take over july fourth as a pronixon conservative pro-war event in washington, that -- the stuff that happened on july fourth that day gave -- was the occasion for some of that classic golden era america news copy that you never really see anymore. i mean as good as the american press generally is and in particular how good the american press is now, you just don't see writing like this anymore. this was the headline in the "the times" and the main story about what happened on july 5th. the headline you can see there, longhairs clash with crew cuts at capital rally. reporting jack rosenthal describing the persistent outbreaks of violence at honor america day. quote, before the bam of a
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fireworks display was over about 20 policemen and an unknown number had suffered cuts and bruises. the d.c. police chief hovered close between the confrontation. the first group started to march carrying on their shoulders a young ban waving a flag of north vietnam. they approached the vantage point of the others. the crew cuts plunged into the marchers, fists flying and toppled the flag waver. cool it, we're not hurt yugoslavia a tall young man and an indian man bellowed. if that is your g-damn country why you you go there. in reply a fist came out of the crowd and connected squarely. a tear gas canister fell into the space and the groups backtracked. riot policemen held back the crowd of 1,000 long hairs from the main audience. officers lost their tempers, broke ranks and ran into the crowd. as they sent those men to the crowd other demonstrators began
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to plunge through the breach in the police line. more tear gas canisters went off. wind quickly carried the fumes into the audience and within seconds the last 20 rows of spectators fled their seats. also writing, quote, as the religious service began and kate smith was about to begin god bless america, about 100 of the youths marched through the water in the reflecting pool chantb, one, two, three, four, we don't want your bleeping war. quote, they moved in a body onto the land and tried to make their way up to the dignitaries. the united states army band and starch uniforms sat beside earns of flowers and the large flag stretched halfway up the steps. the park police on horseback drove the yippies back into the water. later in the day in the honor america program, quote, more of the alimented gathered in the reflecting pool and began their smoke in, which was not about
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smoking cigarettes. apparently the joints were red, white and blue that day in honor of the holiday. the smoke in had been been advertised in the underground press. by mid-afternoon more than 1,000 had gathered, some bathed nude. later some turned over the trucks and the spotlights into the reflecting pool. like i said, you don't really get news copy like that anymore, no matter the occasion. but the naked hippies, the pitched violent battles, the clouds of tear gas, the cops on horseback running people into the reflecting pool, the bloodied noses, the injured officers, the big trucks with spotlights on them turned over into the water, into the reflecting pool. happy honor america day. >> this was certainly the biggest casualty of the demonstrators who harassed honor america day in washington. a searchlight and its generator on a truck pushed into the reflecting pool. five others got the water treatment. so there were only ten out of 16
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searchlights available for the big ceremony at night there was a picket fence around the area for the invited guests, and there were some clashes here between the demonstrators and the law. all together, 54 persons were arrested by the city and the park police. by midmorning, there was not much evidence of a crowd of hundreds of thousands. a few piles of debris here and there, some attendants doing a cleanup job and a few hippies sacked out here and there. >> a few hippies sacked out here and there. try to turn the whole country around, try to get us all together, get everybody back on the nixon train and in support of the war again. that is what happened when president richard nixon in 1970 tried to take over july 4th for himself and turn it into honor america day so it would somehow provide some sort of political boost to him in what would soon be his political reelection campaign. that effort to hijack july 4th for his own purposes did not go well. there is a reason we still just
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call it the fourth of july, and the whole honor america thing was never tried again. nixon himself may have had some kind of inkling that year it was not going to work, even though that whole thing was organized by his inaugural chairman. it was clearly put together to try to benefit the nixon white house. nixon himself stayed away. he was in california. he sent a video message as the naked hippies smoked this joints and the tear gas wafted through the crowd and everybody beat everybody else up. washington, d.c. has hosted july 4th festivities to celebrate the nation's birthday every year for more than a century. it dates back to 1909, these annual celebrations. presidents themselves, though, generally don't go to the celebrations on fourth of july. sometimes they speak the day before in d.c. at an event. very often they do other fourth of july celebratory remarks or photo ops somewhere else in the country, or even somewhere else in d.c. but when washington sets off fireworks and has a parade and has a concert and celebrates the 4th on the mall like they do every year, on the national
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mall, at the reflecting pool, around the monuments, presidents don't go. they get in the way. it's been more than 60 years since any president tried to put himself in the middle of that. but today confirmed president trump has decided that this year the fourth of july should be for him. the president had previously announced his intention that he would this year rebrand fourth of july celebration in washington, d.c. as a salute to america. it's basically the same idea as nixon's honor america day. but again, even nixon had the sense to personally stay away from his effort to turn the fourth of july into a pro-nixon thing. but according to the park police, confirming today president trump plans to address the nation square in the middle of the d.c. festivities, which he is rebranding. he plans to speak from the steps of the lincoln memorial. as first reported by "the washington post" today, a spokesperson for the park police has confirmed the agency has been notified that trump definitely plans to speak at the memorial.
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meaning at the lincoln memorial. in order to accommodate the president's plans to speak at the event, they also have to move the fireworks. the fireworks are always on the mall. but this year because trump is going to be on the mall, the fireworks instead will be at west potomac park, which i'm sure will be fine. i'm sure it will all go fine. i'm sure it will be seamless and dignified and not at all partisan or embarrassing, and everything will just go step by step, just as they intend. it will have the desired effect, because, you know, if nothing else, this president and this presidency, they great at the protocol stuff, right? and the ceremonial stuff. last night on this show we showed this picture from the president's trip to buckingham palace. we showed this in part because of the news value of the fact that the president's adult children are there. it has been something of a mystery as to why u.s. taxpayers just paid for all of the president's adult children and
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their spouses to be brought to great britain to meet the royal family and attend all the state dinners stuff, despite the fact that they have no role in the government. jared and ivanka have a role in the government. the other trump adult children and children-in-law don't have a role in the u.s. government? what are they doing at taxpayer expense participating in all of these events? we showed this last night. what we did not notice when we showed the image last night is all the adult children in the photograph are posing for these photographs directly in front of a sign at buckingham palace that says "no photography allowed." but hey, who cares? it's somebody else's house. we are the trumps. we're here you. deal with it. thank you for having us. are we invited back? last night on the show, we'd also tried to sound a little bit of a warning about the possible weirdness of the president's trip to ireland today after he left the uk. you'll recall that president
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trump had tried to demand that the irish prime minister should meet him at the trump golf course in ireland so that not just the government of the united states but the government of ireland would also be roped into a free infomercial advertising the location and amenities of the president's for-profit golf club in ireland. which frankly apparently needs the boost. financially, that golf course has been sort of a disaster. the irish government declined the opportunity to help president trump market his golf course. they said no, we are not going to send the prime minister there. they instead offered a nearby castle where other foreign leaders have paid official visits in the past. the white house apparently did not like that idea. and so we knew it was going to be a little weird today when we found out that the president's meeting with the prime minister was going to be literally at the vip lounge at the shannon airport. this was the meeting site today. you saw they pulled kind of a sheer curtain behind them. but i don't know if that's like a whiteboard behind them, behind the curtain or what that is. you can tell this is kind of
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like next to the vending machines. it was -- the setting and the negotiations that led to the meeting in the first place were weird, and then the president started to talk. . >> we'll be discussing various things. probably you'll ask me about brexit, because i just left some very good people that are very much involved with brexit, as you know. and i think that will all work out. it will all work out very well, and also for you, with your wall, your border. i mean, we have a border situation in the united states and you have one over here. but i hear it's going to work out very well. >> ugh. your wall, with your border. the president meeting with the irish prime minister in ireland. the first words out of his mouth at the meeting are about how ireland, you know, ought to have a wall on its border. or don't you have a wall on your boarder? how's your wall? have you guys thought about your
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boarder? i mean, just erase your mind for a second. forget everything you might have ever heard or ever known about ireland and northern ireland. like right -- i mean, any political sensitivities, right. even if you bleach your brain to the point where nothing is left in terms of cognizance in terms of what might be a sensitive subject there, even though sew in this lobotomized state where you have had your brain wiped of all knowledge of ireland, northern ireland and the potential question of a border wall there, you still with this hypothetical lobotomy would still not sit down with the irish minister and suggest first words out of your mouth, hey, you know, your border wall is going to be awesome. it's not like ireland and northern ireland have ever had an issue around that border. there has never been any sort of conflict there, right? ireland, northern ireland, that's all been cool. first thing he said. i mean part of the brexit disaster is that if the uk leaves the european union while northern ireland is part of the uk. in brexit, particularly a
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no-deal brexit, northern ireland will go with the uk when they leave the european union. northern ireland will leave the union. and of course ireland is still in the european union. so if the uk presses ahead with brexit, particularly the way the president wants them to, which is no deal, catastrophic brexit, one of the potential consequences of that is that the northern ireland six counties, right, will no longer be in the european union while ireland is still in the european union. and that means the border, the dividing line, the customs line between europe and not europe, between the eu and not the eu could be the line between ireland and northern ireland, where there is not a wall today. and that's very hard one where the disputed idea of a border between the six counties in the north and the rest of the counties in the south has quite recently, within, you know, my lifetime been the cause of
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thousands of lives lost. nevertheless, the president today jumps into it with both feet. it will all work out very well with your wall, your border. the irish prime minister sat sort of perfectly still while the president made those initial remarks, and then this was the first thing he was able to get out of his own mouth at today's bilateral meeting. >> want to avoid a border wall. >> oh, yes, i think you do. yes, i think you do, yes. the prime minister later had to give separate and more elaborate remarks to further try to clean up and limit the damage of what president donald trump did with those comments, suggesting a newly built, a rebuilt wall between ireland and northern ireland. i mean, it was just -- it's just -- if you have any sense of that conflict and what it has taken to resolve it to the
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degree that it is resolved. again, over the course of our lifetimes, right? this is recent stuff. current stuff. for any prominent american in any position, even just somebody in a business position, somebody in sports, to have gone over to ireland and have done that. it would be a terrible thing for any american of any prominence to have done. but for a president to have done it? with those careless, reckless, ignorant remarks alone, this president earned this headline today in "esquire" magazine, quote, the president is traveling the world, finding new problems to make worse. but after that triumph, the president will head tomorrow to the 75-year commemoration of the d-day landings, and i'm sure that will go excellent as well. definitely no opportunity there for him to make anything substantially worse, right? as president trump heads now toward the end of this careening
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circus of pratfall embarrassments on this overseas trip, the seriousness of the stuff he is getting wrong and the stuff that he is screwing up is also trailing him in the american press. columnist david ignatius at "the washington post" is now reporting that although the uk has historically been our closest overseas ally on intelligence matter, quote, former british officials now believe that mi-6 has begun to worry about sharing its most sensitive secrets with the u.s. for fear they may be disclosed by the trump white house for political reasons or simple carelessness. quote, you never know what trump will say or do or tell in a rage, and that is something to worry about, quoting a former british official. quote, the u.s. has become a less reliable ally. so that's what the president has accomplished on this foreign trip. it has been less than ideal. while he has been gone, the domestic conversation about him at home has been dominated by the mushrooming debate over
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whether or not democrats should open impeachment hearings into him. harry reid now says he is in favor of impeachment proceedings being opened although he was previously and quite recently opposed. harry reid remains a very influential figure, particularly among the congressional leadership of the democratic party. so reid now speaking out on this issue, may make a dent. both "the new york times" and "the washington post" have now on their opinion editorial pages published draft impeachment articles for president trump in case the democrats need a little head start in writing stuff. nancy pelosi, the leader of the democrats in the house is still saying that she is not in favor of opening impeachment proceedings, at least not yet. but the 2020 democratic presidential candidates, all of them, all of the millions of them who are lining up to run against trump now, they are all running in a context now in which impeachment proceedings are less debated among democrats than cheered in public venues. and with each passing day, impeachment proceedings become more and more of an expectation, not just something to be
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discussed. new polls out today show the president in head to head matchups losing the state of north carolina in the presidential election to joe biden or bernie sanders or pete buttigieg. that emerson poll out of north carolina shows trump tieing in that state with elizabeth warren. new poll out today from the detroit news in michigan shows trump losing michigan to joe biden by 12 points. he also loses to bernie sanders, also loses to pete buttigieg, also loses to kamala harris, also loses to elizabeth warren. a new quinnipiac poll out of texas, texas, shows trump losing texas to joe biden and only barely pipping elizabeth warren in the state of texas by one point. so the fourth of july this year will not be the fourth of july. it will be a salute to america. nixon tried that before with honor america day. i'm sure this time, though, it
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will work out great. i'm sure this time the second draft of what nixon tried to do will work way better when the trump administration tries to pull it off because they are great at this kind of stuff. elizabeth warren just wrapped up her town hall in south bend, indiana. we're going to talk live with chris hayes, right after this. calling all sunscreen haters. you're gonna love this. new coppertone sport clear. not thick, not hot, not messy, just clear, cool, protected. coppertone sport clear. proven to protect.
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what do you say if someone says look, i agree with you on substance, but if you look at the polling, americans have cross pressure views on abortion. there is strong support for keeping roe v. wade. >> yeah. three out of four people want to keep it. >> absolutely. but if you say government funding abortion, the polling flips the other way. it's not necessarily a majority position. and what do you say if someone says no, this is the smart political move if you need to win in a general election to support the hyde amendment. >> this is not about politics. what this is about is about health care, about reproductive freedom, about economic freedom and about equal opportunity for all women. that's what this is really about. >> so then the final question i guess is are there things, right, it would be amazing to live in the world where the right policy was always the best politics. >> yeah. >> but it's not the world we live in, right? i guess my question is are there
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things where you think substantively that's probably the right thing to do, but 70% of the public doesn't like it? or that might be a good policy, but that's going to be a very tough sale in pennsylvania. >> look, the way i see this is this is what leadership is about. you really do work through what you believe is right. and you get out there. and if most of america isn't with you, then you talk about it, and you make the arguments and you listen. >> yeah. >> because maybe you don't have it right. but that's the whole point. you start with what you believe is right and then you get out there and fight for it. >> joining us now is chris hayes, the host of "all in with chris hayes" on this network who just conducted that town hall in indiana with elizabeth warren. chris, thank you for sticking around. i know you're on the down swing of your adrenaline right now, so if you need to pass out live on the air, you just feel free, my friend. >> no, i'm good. i've got any jacket off. it's a little warm in here, but i'm good.
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the candidate is behind me doing selfies with every last person who is here which is a elizabeth warren town hall policy, i'm told. >> wow. so she still has the energy to be doing that after a solid hour fielding questions from everybody in that room and from you. how did you think it went? and what did you learn? >> well, i think you get -- these circumstances, they're hard. it's a high-wire act. we did this live. you're talking to different kinds of people, and you sort of see political chops, whether a candidate can listen to people, actually hear what they say, actually respond. she is extremely well prepared. i mean, whether people agree with her or not or whether they come to the conclusion that she is the strongest political candidate against trump, which are two things to [ for a moment, what i think is clear is that she has a whole set of ideas of things she wants to do and a means of explaining them to people who haven't heard them before. and a kind of theory of the case about what's wrong and how to fix it that kind of match together.
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and that's a certain fundamental part of political storytelling that i think she has a real knack for and has been doing a very good job on the trail. and i think you see it reflected tonight. >> chris, i want to play another little piece of sound from the town hall. this was her talking about abortion right, her talking about the hyde amendment. i want to make sure with the control room that we've got that ready to go. one of the reasons i want to ask you about this is because this is a very hot issue right now among the democratic candidates. there is definitely some disagreement among the democratic candidates on the issue of the hyde amendment, whether or not there should be a full scale ban on funding for anything related to abortion services in federally supported health insurance. but it's also -- it also struck me that she's in indiana in this red state in a conservative part of indiana talking about abortion rights. and i want to ask you about sort of the tenor of that. let me play the sound first. >> a huge part of your story personally, when you talk about your trajectory, which is a really remarkable one is making a bunch of decisions buffeted against different forces. can you find child care. one of those is whether you can control your reproductive freedom.
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>> yep. >> women are making decisions about whether they're going to school, things like that. there is an interesting thing that happened today that vice president joe biden came out in support and said he would not support repealing the hyde amendment which funds abortion care services for medicare and other service. you disagree with that position. >> yes, i do. >> is joe biden wrong? >> yes. >> why is he wrong? >> here's how i look at this. i've lived in america where abortions were illegal. >> yep. >> and understand this. women still got abortions. now some got lucky on what happened and some got really unlucky on what happened. but the bottom line is they were there. and under the hyde amendment, under every one of these efforts to try to chip away or to push back or to get rid of roe v.
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wade, understand this. women of means will still have access to abortions. who won't will be poor women, will be working women, will be women who can't afford to take off three days from work, will be very young women, will be women who've been raped, will be women who have been molested by someone in their own family. we do not pass laws that take away that freedom from the women who are most vulnerable. >> very intense moment in that town hall. obviously her intensity on the subject is palpable. but tell me about that in the room in terms of how that's greeted there. obviously it was going to be a place where you don't have unanimity in this issue even within the democratic party. >> down, it was very intense. and obviously, look, i think there is a certain way in which there is -- there is an expression of one's political
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views on this issue that are just not possible for a man to do. i mean, i just think a woman is going to have a connection to that and be able to talk about it in an intimate and way that she did that is very hard for a man to do, frankly, and understandably, right? but i think that what you saw there is, a, the passion. and b, this is the thing that i think is very interesting about warren as a candidate. she doesn't do a lot of shading. she doesn't do a lot of too cute by half. she doesn't do a lot of needle threading. if you say should we repeal the trump tax cuts? yes. are you for this bill? yes, i'm a co-sponsor. repeal the hyde amendment? you get very direct and kind of engraved policy positions that she will then argue and fight for. now people might disagree. like it is the case that some people will be alienated by those positions because people disagree on stuff. but what you do not get is a lot of gray area hedging and kind of tap dancing. >> chris hayes, my friend, colleague, host of the show at 8:00 p.m. on this network and the person who is better at town
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nominee for worst road trip ever. today campaign figure -- trump campaign figure george nader was to be driven by two fbi agents from brooklyn in new york city to virginia to face a federal child pornography charge. george nader took frequent
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meetings with senior trump campaign officials in 2016. he arranged a meeting during the transition to set up back channel between the trump transition and the kremlin. he was a frequent visitor to the white house after the inauguration. george nader has spent the last couple of nights in a brooklyn detention facility after being arrested monday at jfk airport. but the child pornography charge wasn't filed against him in new york. it was filed against him in virginia. so a new york federal judge ordered him driven down to virginia today to face the music. we now expect his first court appearance in virginia tomorrow. george nader was a major witness for the mueller investigation. he was reportedly given at least partial immunity in exchange for his testimony to the grand jury and to mueller's investigators. nader is cited dozens of times in footnotes in the mueller report about russian efforts to interfere in our election and russian overtures to trump and his campaign and his administration. but george nader was also an
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intermediary for at least two other countries that were apparently trying to help trump during the campaign. he was also an emissary for the governments of both saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. now according to a recent story in "the new york times" this past weekend, the interventions by those countries and the contacts between george nader and the trump campaign that related to those countries' interests, those are all apparently still the subject of ongoing federal investigations. "the new york times" has done some in-depth new reporting on emirati influence, including possible improper influence on the 2016 election. reportedly, federal investigators are still looking at that. but here's my question. are the intelligence committees in congress being briefed about that? is that investigation derived from mueller's work? is it a totally separate thing? for all the times that george nader's name is mentioned in volume one of mueller's report, the volume about russian interference in the 2016 election, george nader's work for the emiratis and the saudis is not addressed at all.
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did the counterintelligence investigation include any of that stuff from the other countries, and what happened to that counterintelligence investigation anyway? volume one of mueller's report raises all kinds of scary prospects that are just not resolved at all in what we've seen from mueller. why did russian military intelligence target election systems in key counties in florida and north carolina? "the washington post" reports today that finally this long after the election, federal investigators are just now asking to look at the computers that were allegedly targeted by the russians in north carolina. okay. about time. i mean, is this stuff being followed up? there is one powerful house chairman who may be in a better position than anybody else in congress to answer that question, and he has just announced that he's about to convene a whole series of hearings specifically on volume one of the mueller report and all the questions that it raises. intelligence committee chairman adam schiff joins us live next. allergies with sinus congestion and pressure?
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hearings, and we had one a few weeks ago, but we'll be doing a series of hearings in the intel committee on volume one of the mueller report. and i think probably the first that we will do will focus on the counterintelligence investigation where we'll have experts to help shed light on what is a counterintelligence investigation, what does it mean that this began as a ci investigation, not as a criminal probe? >> joining us now is chairman adam schiff of the house intelligence committee. thank you for joining us here tonight. >> great to be with you. >> that was you announcing that your committee is going to hold a series of hearings on volume one of the mueller report that focuses on what russia did. what can you tell us about those planned hearings? >> it will begin on wednesday with a hearing with former counterintelligence heads from the fbi to answer exactly those questions. what is a counterintelligence
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investigation? what do we know from the mueller report? what does it mean that there were counterintelligence agents embedded in mueller's team? what would have happened to those findings? what does it mean that a delegation was sent from moscow to meet with the top people of the trump campaign in a secret meeting? what was the significance of their appeals on the magnitsky act? would the russians have not only wanted to meddle to help trump win, but also communicated to the trump campaign that they were helping in hopes of getting repeal of sanctions or doing away with the magnitsky act? why would this be of great concern to the fbi and our intelligence agencies? so we'll be exploring and bringing to life these parts of the mueller report as well as the one you just mentioned, which is what do we know from this report about russian intrusions into voting systems and voter databases and what does that mean in terms of our ability to protect the next elections. >> in terms of voting systems and voter databases, this is a very disturbing report today in the "washington post" that north carolina officials say that they have been asking homeland
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security department for a year and a half to look with some technical acuity at the computers that may have been compromised by russian malware or russian intrusion efforts ahead of the 2016 elections. those hard drives and those computers have reportedly been imaged so that there is the possibility of looking at them and seeing what may have happened to them. there were counties in north carolina that had real trouble in terms of their voting polls, their voter rolls. long lines, poll books failing. those seemed to have overlapped a little bit with some of the counties that may have been targeted to target some voting infrastructure. i'm concerned that it's taken the department of homeland security a year and a half to respond to the state in terms of trying to get help on this. >> well, i share that concern, and this is not something that happens terribly infrequently, unfortunately. we see this kind of lack of
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coordination all too regularly. in the mueller report, there is a reference, for example, that we the mueller team did not look into these intrusions beyond what we're telling you in the report. we assume that the fbi did that. but that assumption may not be correct. i don't know how much of a forensic examination the fbi did. i don't know how much coordination there was between the bureau and some of these state boards of elections or county boards of elections. and, of course, you know, some counties take the view, hey, that's our business. stay out. but if you're a county in a swing state that could affect the presidential election, it's not just a county matter. it's a national matter. so we are going to look into this, and i think it's very important to underscore that these investigations we're doing, not just in the mueller report or russia, it's not about trump. it's not about even the congress. it's about protecting the public from not just this president but any president that acts in an autocratic or unethical way. test test would the russians have not only wanted to meddle to help trump win but also
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communicated to the trump campaign that they were helping in hopes of getting repeal of sanctions or doing away with the magnitsky act? why would this be of great concern to the fbi and our intelligence agencies? so we'll be exploring and bringing to life these parts of the mueller report as well as the one you just mentioned which is what do we know from this report about russian intrusions into voting systems and voter databases and what does that mean in terms of our ability to protect the next elections. >> in terms of the voting systems and voter databases, this is a very disturbing report today in the "washington post" that north carolina officials say that they have been asking homeland security department for a year and a half to look with some technical acuity at the computers that may have been compromised by russian malware or russian intrusion efforts ahead of the 2016 elections. those hard drives and commuters have reportedly been imaged so this is the possibility of seeing what happened to them. there were keens in north carolina that had real trouble in terms of their voting rolls, long lines, poll books failing. those seem toll very overland a little bit with some of the counties that may have been
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targeted by the russian effort ahead of the election to target voting infrastructure. i'm concerned it's taken the department of homeland security a year and a half to respond to the state in terms of trying to get help on this. >> this is ran area in terms of the voting instruct of deep interest to us but also to the homeland security committee which has done great work in looking at our vulnerabilities going forward. in terms of how many answers we've been able to get in the intelligence committee, we've been able to get some. and, you know, the justice department has started to provide us documents and i was over reading them at the justice department this week. and it's an important beginning i hope of more fulsome providing of documents. but on those fundamental questions you're asking, and we've been asking what happened to the counter intelligence investigation, what were the findings from that investigation? we still can't get an answer, and i have to say it's very concerning that it's so hard to get an answer to these very basic questions.
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and it makes you wonder did someone drop the ball here are or their findings someone doesn't want the congress to have for a reason, or do they shine a negative light on which there they be concerns? we're also trying to shed light on security clearances given to people that apparently shouldn't have gotten them. are those some of the people in which counter intelligence concerns were raised? these questions are ones that need to be answered. and i think in our structure, the framers fully didn't -- you know, they didn't anticipate donald trump per se but they anticipated that either the country would be nat position of electing the wrong person or that someone would be elected and they would become corrupt with power in office. and congress needed to have the power to compel, answer and hold them accountable. and that is kplaekt what we are doing. >> congressman adam schiff, the chairman of the intelligence committee in the house i appreciate you being here tonight. appreciate you being here tonight. ...every curve, every innovation,
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one of the news stories we've been watching this week is the fight being waged in missouri where the republican controlled government there is trying to end legal abortion in that state. they have not only passed a ban on abortion, that state government right now is trying this week to take away the license of the last remaining abortion clinic in missouri. this, of course, has gone to court. tonight right now we are awaiting the ruling from a judge to find out whether or not that judge is going to let the state shutdown the state's last
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clinic, just cancel legal abortion access. this fight has put the spotlight on missouri nationwide. if they do shut down that last clinic, missouri will be the first state to go dark in terms of abortion access since the roe versus wade ruling in 1973. but there is something else going on in missouri that has not been in the spotlight. over the course of reporting this story, we have come into some information about how this fight has been playing out. specifically about what is already happening to women seeking abortions in missouri as of this week, as that last missouri abortion clinning is fighting to stay open. we have discovered this. it's an exclusive story nobody else has. we are preparing a special report on it now. it will lead tomorrow night's show. you will not want to miss it. stay with us. show you will not want to miss it stay with us ica's biopharmaceutical researchers. pursuing life-changing cures in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells...
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that does do it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow where again we will be leading the show tomorrow with a special report on something that is happening alongside the national
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focus on missouri right now, on abortion rights. roe vs. wade is the law of the land since 1973 in terms of guaranteeing we are going to have an exclusive special report on that tomorrow night. now it's time for "the last word now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> it the hyde amendment has been the law of the land since 1976, i believe. basically saying that no federal money can be used on abortion. that was assetaled assetaled issues get florida state washington until today because of course, joe biden's been around long enough that he was in a position to have to vote on that and take a position on that as everyone did in the congress then. and so it's back. as an issue. i got to say, i for one didn't see that coming an. >> i will tell you, i think that vice president biden saying