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sought out in north korea while back home he plans a fourth of july complete with military tanks along the washington mall. >> house judiciary chair shares details with msnbc tonight about robert mueller's upcoming testimony, and new numbers show us how a debate performance can propel or deflate a candidacy. "the 11th hour" on a monday night starts right now. good evening once again from our nbc news head quarters here in new york. i'm ari velshi in for brian williams. day 893 of the trump administration. the president is now touting his unprecedented meeting with north korea's dictator and issuing new warning to iran as he plans a fourth of july celebration featuring tanks and a display of the nation's military hardware. more on that event in a moment.
but just afew hours ago, donald trump sent out this message about his summit with kim jong-un in the korean peninsula's demilitarized zone. quote, it was great being with kim jong-un this weekend. we had a great meeting. he looks really well and very healthy. in the meantime our teams will be work on solutions to long and persistent problems. no rush, but i'm sure we'll ultimately get this. "the new york times" reports the administration is weighing whether to accept a deal that would limit north korea's nuclear arsenal. quote, it would amount to a freeze, one that enshrines the status quo and accepts the north as a nuclear power something administration officials said they would never stand for. marble security adviser
john bolton, who did not accompany his boss to the meeting, responded to "the times" reporting the denial, quote, neither the staff nor i have discussed nor heard of any desire to settle for a nuclear freeze by north korea. meanwhile, trump is also wasting no time in comparing his strategy for north korea to the previous administration, claiming the obama officials sought meetings with the korean dictator but were rebuffed. >> president obama wanted to meet, and chairman kim would not meet him. the obama administration was begging for a meeting. they were begging for meetings constantly. and chairman kim would not meet with him. >> reporter: obama's former national security adviser susan rice had something to say about that, quote, at the risk of stating the obvious, this is horse -- expletive. as we mentioned trump is escalating threats towards iran. today tehran said it exceeded
stockpile the limit for enriched uranium. that won't give iran enough to produce a single nuclear weapon, but it does move the country in that direction. late today, trump was asked about this latest development. >> any message to iran? >> no, no message to iran. they know what they're doing. they know what they're playing with, and i think they're playing with fire. >> moments after that, trump was asked about his planned salute to america later this week in washington. to he recalls later this week in washington. you may recall he attempted to mount a military parade for two years but those plans had to be scrapped "the new york times" write that the president believes, quote, the inclusion of tanks and other weapons in the july 4th celebration would transform the capital city's event into the celebration he wanted. after watching bastille day, he
said, we may have one like that. down pennsylvania avenue. the nations fire power will be on display on thursday. a republican national committee spokeswoman confirmed the bloc received a grouch free tickets but won't say how many. several have gone to top donors. here for a leadoff discussion on a monday night, ashley parker for the "the washington post." gordon cheng, author of nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world, and annie orny, white house reporter with "the new york times." welcome to all thee of you. gordon, i want to start with you about this tweet that the president sent out talking about kim jong-un and how healthy he looks and how really, really well he is. what is that tweet an answer to? >> this is really strange. it's an answer to certain observers who were there yesterday and heard kim wheeze.
you remember kim walked from what the north koreans call the monkey house to the demilitarization line and over to the summit house. the south korea house. they said he was really winded and i think what president trump was doing is responding to that narrative that's been carried on one of the other cable networks. >> ashley, donald trump appeared this weekend, or at least he said this weekend he advanced u.s. interests. what's the word from white house staff on what actually happened? >> one thing that's been tricky is when they have been pressed publicly and privately, other than the fact that yes, it had the drama and the showmanship the president loves and it was historic in the fact that he became the first sitting president to walk into north korea they can't tangibly tell you what this actually means for u.s. policy towards north korea, any deal or relationship with
north korea, what has changed. you know, what sort of the new deliverable or goal is from the summit that fell apart in hanoi or the meeting in singapore. there frankly just is not a clear answer. >> annie, the president was very dismissive of media efforts to question him about the meeting with kim jong-un. let's play a little of what head to say. >> you made this very public invitation to kim jong-un. will it be a bad sign if he doesn't show up? >> no. of course i thought of that. if he didn't even was going same he was stood up. or similar circumstance oh, he was stood up. but chairman kim -- we have made tremendous slides. only the fake news says we weren't. a lot of progress has been made. i watched a lot of fake news. it's like the difference between day and night. >> they have no appreciation for what's been done. none. >> annie, what's the big deal with the president?
why did he so badly want this meeting and the picture and the walk into north korea more than he seems to want to have some substantive agreement? >> well, he likes firsts and he likes to be in the history books and he will now be in the history books to be the first american president to step foot over that line and into the soil. in these rebuttals to what he calls the fake news media, she has -- like ashley said, he continues to say we are getting it wrong, huge strides have been made, but there's no clear agenda that the white house is telling us was achieved. one piece of the puzzle that donald trump consistently overlooks is the wins he's giving to kim jong-un by giving him the platform of meeting three times now with the american president as equals. that handshake was all over the north korean media. it was a huge propaganda win for
kim jong-un and donald trump liked the photos and pageantry as well, but he never really addresses that by meeting hymn, he's elevating kim jong-un to be an equal leader of the free world and he doesn't seem to acknowledge that piece of the puzzle. >> gordon let's address that. a former national security aide to both presidents bush and obama was quoted as saying in the "the new york times," the relationship has not become a lubricant, but an impediment because kim refuses to deal with officials below trumps level. >> she's right. after the singapore summit in june last summer they did set up working teams and the north koreans decided not to have the discussions because he thought they would get a much better deal if they talked to president trump. that's been a theme. the one thing president trump
has done is who is not in that room, and that issue is the chinese. the chinese has been a maligned influence and have always been involved in our discussions with the north koreans. trump has pushed the chinese aside. they tried to get back into it. that was one of the themes at the osaka g-20. trump didn't take the bait. there's a good side and a bad side to the personal diplomacy. we are going to have to see how it work out. >> to the extent that trump is embroiled in the trade war with china, which depending on what hour you're looking at it is getting worse or better does that meeting with kim jong-un play into that? >> i think it does. because xi jinping has been trying to dangle cooperation on north korea in front of trump to get trade. this is consistent chinese policy. they have been doing this for about a decade and a half. it's worked up until now. these issues of trade and north korea and maybe even the issue of hong kong are all going get
mixed together and they're going get solved or not solved together. >> ashley i want to talk to you about an introduction the president made overseas where he introduced the secretary of state mike pompeo and his daughter ivanka trump to a gathering of u.s. troops. let's take a listen together. >> come on, mike. and you know who else i have? has anyone ever heard of ivanka? come on up, ivanka. she's going steal the show. what a beautiful couple. mike. beauty and the beast, mike. >> ashley, you covered a lot of unusual things at the white house. a lot of weird things. that was a little bit weird. >> sure. i mean, sort of the beauty and the beast on the one hand it's a weird way to refer to your daughter. at the same time it's kind of a trumpian flourish. i think the more stark thing was
that the president was elevating his daughter, who is a senior white house adviser, but sort of on to the same footing as the secretary of state. and this entire trip was notable for the ways in which ivanka was intentionally elevated, was front and center, was, you know, playing a role in some ways almost of the first lady, a first lady would traditionally play, being in conversations with world leaders, being in the meeting with the north koreans, and this is the president, you know, making a very clear decision do this intentionally, deliberately. it's sending a signal to the world that if you are a foreign government and you want to deal with the president and this white house, maybe the best way is not through the national security adviser or the secretary of state, but it's through the president's children and his daughter. >> we saw -- some of the pictures indicated ivanka trump
and jared kushner in prominent role this is weekend. she was caught in a conversation which has been shared around the internet several times because it sort of illustrated what ashley is talking about, the first daughter, implying herself into various important global discussions. let's watch that. >> a lot of people start listening. >> and the same with the defense side in terms of the whole sort of business and very male dominant. >> again, unusual, annie. that ivanka trump seems perhaps a little bit out of her depth in some of these conversations and these world leaders are struggling to figure out what to do with her. >> the body language in that clip is really interesting to watch. you see la guard not making eye contact with her while she's speaking. they look like they're being polite because it's the president's daughter who he's
elevated but it seems awkward in that they don't know -- she's a family member, a white house adviser, is she a diplomat? what is her actually job? it's still a question that remains unclear two and a half years into the conversation. administration. one thing i noticed this generated criticism because it looks like ivanka is trying to insert herself in a place. with world leaders. in the beginning of this administration there was hope that jared and ivanka were the secret liberal saviors of the world. the progressives and liberals started to brand her as come complicit it when turned out she wasn't changing the president's views on things. she didn't get him to stay in the paris accord and other things. she didn't seem to have any overt influence on him. now the hashtag that's trending is unwanted ivanka, which is poking fun at her for trying to insert herself into situations
where she has no place. it signifies to me how her role -- people assume she's all in for trump and now just dislike her because they think she has no right to be there and hasn't earned her place. it's interesting to see how the criticism shifted. >> gordon, earlier i was looking for sound of the president for the president commenting on what the july fourth is going look like in washington. let's play that. >> we were going to have a great fourth of july in washington, d.c. like no other. it's going to be special. it's going to be about the country. it's a salute to america. i'm going to be here, say a few words. we are going to have planes going overhead. the best fighter jets in the world and other planes too. and we are going to have tanks stationed outside. got to be careful because the roads tend not to like to carry heavy tanks. we have brand new sherman tanks,
abram tanks and we have some incredible equipment, military equipment on display. brand new, and we are very proud of it. >> maybe mistaken. i don't know that we have brand new sherman tanks. this is part of the tough guy image. likes talking about the military, propels that to world leaders, until he's in the room with a world leader or next to a world leader. with mohammad bin salman it was all smiles and handshakes with vladimir putin, when telling him not to interfere in the election it's smiles and winks. with kim jong-un it was, as you saw, big smiles and hand shakes. two sides to this president. >> they are. one thing about this military parade, the chinese and north koreans do military parades. they take years to practice. clearly ours are not going measure up to what the chinese and north korean normally do.
they're going to be chortling. in beijing and pyongyang. i'm happy we are into military parades but this is what they're going to be talking about. this is going to be awful for us. >> ashley, what's going on with this military parade. not the parade, but this military show of force? this has clearly been song on the president's mind since he was at the bastille parade in 2007. he's wanted this to happen. >> earlier i believe it was reported he wants some of these at his inaugurations. look, the president is someone who likes pageantry. he likes parades, to kind of put it simply and bluntly. and he likes shows of military force. you mentioned before that he was cozy with putin and chairman kim and other -- the saudi leader.
few look at him generally, he does have a penchant for cozying up to strong men, and those are typically the people where an american president goes and tries to send over american diplomacy and american values. that's not what the president does, but he has a fascination with strong men. with that comes the military and he's trying create that back in the united states. once again, the fascination with strength and strong leaders, very tough and authoritarian. part of it is this former reality tv star, this showman who just likes the flair and the pageantry and pomp of parades. >> ashley parker thank you. gordon cheng, annie carny. thank you for helping us get started on a monday night. we now have evidence that kamala harris' debate performance struck a chord. new numbers have her surging. we'll show you the polling coming up next.
brand new polling today from cnn chose kamala harris surging after her debate performance last week. joe biden is still leading the democratic field with 22%, but he's down ten points since may while harris is up nine points. senator elizabeth warren also up eight points the new poll reveals 41% of democratic voters
think kamala harris did the best job in the debate. that's well ahead of her competitors. warren at 13%, biden at 10% and "the new york times" reports republicans view harris as a threat. quote, after her breakout performance in the democratic presidential primary debate thursday night, trump campaign aids and al lice acknowledge that had harris, a black former prosecutor from the donor ladened state of california could prove to be a vexing adversary. back with us, juana summers and ken press from the "the wall street journal." juana let's start with you. obviously there was going to be some movement after those debates. the polling seems to reflect what people were watching in that debate. a sense that on the first night, elizabeth warren did well, on the second night, kamala harris had a strong moment versus joe biden and that joe biden didn't deliver the performance of his life.
>> sure, i think that's right. i cover the harris campaign and from speaking to her aids in the aftermath of the debate it's clear they felt like she had a strong performance. it's something they counted on and were telegraphing were weeks as a prosecutor and a member of congress who has really stood out because of her ability to question trump administration officials and appointees, they expected this to go write well for her. you're seeing some of that bear out in that cnn poll. i think they're particularly looking forward to continuing to draw contrasts from other candidates, i think the biggest moment of the debate was where she pressed the former vice president on the issue of bussing and they had this five-minute long back and forth. i think they're going to be looking for more opportunities to draw sharp contrasts. not just talk agent her political differences. he she also used to moment for her personal story, too.
>> ken, you were in the room when joe biden first, for better or worse, stepped in it by talking about his ability to talk with people with whom he doesn't share political views and talked about the senators from the south. segregationist senators. at some point, now they he knows what kamala harris' attack looks like, have that not be between them, race? >> the first debate means the second debate for joe biden will be extremely important. he'll have to be well prepared. to fend off the attacks. but it shows the challenge that he has had. he has a very long record and when he's not talking about trump, when he's not able to talk about the future and he has to defend his record, he's in a difficult place, and his polling, you know, shows that, you know, with the decline that he's having. i would say in the poll, though,
it does still show biden at 43% in terms of someone who voters think could defeat trump, so he still seems to have an edge against the field at large, but this shows just how fluid this race is and should be for the next few months. >> juana, joe biden continues to poll well amongst african-americans with big leads over the candidate, those that are african-americans. that might be because his name is well known in america, but his campaign would like america to know he has the strength of african-americans because of the positions he's held over the years and the work she's done as senator and vice president. is this something that can continue to -- that harris and others can continue to chip away at or was that just a strong moment for harris to show that she can take on a front runner? >> i think it's important to note that for former vice president biden he's someone who was the vice president to the
country's first elected black president, but he has relationships in the african-american community and among african-american political leaders in familiar he has cultivated for decades. that could mean a strong showing among black voters. the question i have, whether it's a former vice president, kamala harris, or any others in the field, at what levels to black voters turn out? we have seen the black vote can be particularly decisive. as all the candidates are looking to make a run, particularly in south carolina where african-american voters are essential, that turnout question is going to be vital. >> ken, the polling indicated a big surge for kamala harris and also for elizabeth warren, up eight points, placing them both ahead of bernie sanders and within striking distance of joe biden. what do you make of elizabeth warren's performance? >> she's had a steady climb in
the last six to eight weeks and it's been based on her policy rollouts. she's really been able to hone in on that as something that sets her apart. and she basically had the debate stage to herself. you know, the four other leading contenders were on the other night and she didn't really do anything to hurt herself. she stood out particularly in the first 30 to 45 minutes of the debate, and so i think that the poll numbers bore that out. i think what we'll see now, we are going to have fundraising numbers coming in this week, and it will be interesting to see how she was able to raise money over the last three months. she's not taking money from traditional fundraisers. she hasn't been doing those types of events. how she stacks up against bernie sanders in fundraising could be another one of those tests to see where liberals in the party
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the latest charter school scandals are piling up. leaders of one san diego charter network? indicted for conspiracy and grand theft. thankfully, the governor's charter school policy task force just made important recommendations for reform: more accountability on charter school spending. and giving local school districts more control over the authorization of charter schools. reforms we need to pass now. so call your state senator. ask them to support ab 1505 and ab 1507. nbc news reporting today reveals that as far back as may, conditions at an el paso, texas,
border station, border agents were arming themselves against possible riots. in an internal report prepared by the department of his's office of inspector general and obtained by nbc news, inspectors noted during an only four showers were available for 756 migrants. more than half of the immigrants were being held outside and immigrants inside were being kept in cells, maxed out at more than five times their capacity. on friday, acting dhs secretary kevin mcaleenan said reports of poor conditions at a border station were, quote, unsubstantiated. meanwhile, the associated press received video about a girl who spoke about conditions. the video was made by a lawyer for the girl and nbc news has
not had to have access to the girl. the girl's face is not visible to protect her privacy and protect her immigration case. >> with us to talk about it all, julia ansly, nbc national security and justice reporter who is tenacious. kevin mcaleenan said these reports are unsubstantiated, but this isn't reporting you got from a random source, that is government report, the inspector general of that department issued the report. >> that's right.
on may 7th, the inspector sent agents to the same sector where the little girl was kept and found conditions that we are now hearing about, things like that overcrowding, four showers for 756 immigrants. they even said the conditions were so bad that customs and border protection agents started to arm themselves in areas where they are not supposed to have arms because they were worried about riots. they thought it could raise to that level of arrest. we are talking about people who can't lie down sleep, people outside. because there's no room for them. this had gotten down to a dire condition. two civilians actually had to go outside and buy food for over 1,000 people every day because there was not a system to feed the number of people kept inside this facility some all of this matters because it's coming from the government's watchdog, the
people who are sanctioned to do this kind of investigating, not from lawyers. if you're going to cast aside what the lawyers have said, like acting secretary mcaleenan did, tough pay attention to what your own government investigators are finding and really, it's very similar conditions. mcaleenan said you can't believe all the reports from the clint, texas facility, because it's unsubstantiated. he went on to say, all children are given a shower as quickly as they can, when you have four showers for 800 people, that's going to be a while. clint is within the el paso border sector. it's clear they had this information for some time, and yes, they did ray a red flag about overcrowding. they petitioned congress for more money that did come through last week, but there were basic issues here that could have been satisfied to alleviate some of the human suffering like more showers. like food that could be brought into these places.
>> the numbers you're talking about, people stuffed five times to capacity of a cell, give that to me in numbers. examples -- i think you and i earlier talked about a cell that was meant to 34 people. >> yes, and it held 155 adult men. there was a cellent many nor eight people that held 145 women -- 44 women. these are not conditions that can be shared. they have one sink for all of them to use. >> possibly there are health issues that are going develop out of all of that. >> absolutely. >> when the dhs and customs says we are doing the best we can, we need agencies like ice and health and human services to expand. but we were not cut out for this population, that's true. these facilities were not built for that population. but there are are undenial health concerns. they were quarantining people
for the flu, lace, measles, chickenpox, these were big concerns that went on for some time. this visit was on may 7th and here we are almost two months later still dealing with a lot of same problems. >> julia, our job as journalists is to bear witness and hold those in power. hold people to account. trump says russia meddling didn't tip the scales in his favor, but what in russia propaganda changed voters' minds? we are back after this.
that had nothing to do, by the way, with russia, because everybody said it didn't affect the vote. you heard that many times. didn't affect the vote. russia had no impact on our votes whatsoever. >> here taps good news. didn't change the vote. didn't change the election. >> right. >> president trump maintained russian meddling had nothing to do with his victory, but a new study may have found otherwise.
and the activity of russian twitter trolls was a better predictor of donald trump's polling numbers than his own twitter activity. as to whether it affects the outcome of the election it can lead researcher tells nbc news, quote, the answer is that we still don't know, but we can't rule it out. back with us, joyce vance, a who spent 25 years as a prosecutor. former fbi special agent, clint watts and author of messing with the enemy, surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorist russian, and fake news. clint, you you have long maintained the effect of the interference by the internet research agency, the trolls in st. petersburg controlled by our influenced by the kremlin would have had an impact in our election, and thinking about it
in as black and white a sense of, were votes changed, sort of misses the larger impact. >> that's right. we forget in total -- this study was one part. russia really did three things that any other american political campaign could not do on their own. they hacked and released information that drove the mainstream media narrative around the election. the second thing is they could time the release of the hacked material. just one example, the access hollywood tape came out that was really damaging to donald trump within less than an hour wikileaks started dropping emails that changed the narrative. many times as this study points out, you see research amplification. they amplify the social media content to such aics tent it distorted the reality. particularly for two thirds of the accounts they made to look like and talk like
conservatives. that it was key audience they were engaging. that's the trump supporting audience. you found it remarkable that it seemed to correlate with improvement in trump's polling numbers but didn't necessarily damage clinton. that's most likely because the accounts were designed to go after the trump supporting itself. >> it was put to him by reporters has he or will he tell vladimir putin not to interfere in the 2020 election. let's play that back. >> mr. president, will you tell russia not to meddle in the 2020 election? >> don't meddle in the election. >> that friendly exchange, very friendly -- he's had friendly exchanges with mohammad bin salman and kim jong-un in the last few days -- i doesn't really get to the heart of something most americans are very concerned about.
>> that's not the way you treat a foreign power that has attacks your country, that has attacked your elections. you know, i never grow numb to this image. it's horrifying to see the president laugh this attack off as a joke. this new research is interesting. as clint points out, it sheds light on the situation. the people who wrote it, did the research are pretty clear saying it doesn't draw the ultimate -- conclusion about election. we know who thought it would work on american voters. russia. russia invested resources, used internet research agencies, a building in st. petersburg, people posing at americans tried to win over the hearts and minds of conservative voters. we don't know if it worked in election. it work in the polling. when twitter does the most active, 2016 election polls shifted towards president trump. >> how heavily should we lean on this data, joyce, because there's a difference between causation and correlation. how do we know what do with this
information? >> we need to be really careful about this data. it would be easy to take it too far. what this data tells us is there needs to be more study done. if data will lend itself to an interpretation of whether the election was influenced. but this study was only on twitter so, we have to think about whether it's qualitatively different from other social media. it only looks at the influence on polling. doesn't look at whether they're voting was influenced. it's predictive. it indicates what we know, that social media did influence peoples' views. we should be careful not too jump too far with the data. >> joyce and clint have agreed to stay with us. what nadler can expect when mueller testifies on capitol hill. "the 11th hour" is back after this break.
attorney general have conducted a campaign of lies and misrepresentations. the president keeps saying the report found no collusion and no obstruction. the report did not find no collusion, the report did not find no obstruction. it's a simple lie, and we will ask him to clarify both of those. >> congress is preparing to question robert mueller in just 16 days. democrats aren't the only ones who are going to have some tough questions. politico is reporting president trump's gop allies in congress are salivating at the chance to bruise mueller's representation reputation and cast doubt on the integrity of his work. back with us, joyce and clint. clint, that wouldn't be knew. they have been trying to tarnish bob mueller's reputation.
question former special counsel robert mueller in just 16 days. democrats aren't the only ones who are going to have tough questions. politico is reporting, quote, president trump's gop allies are salivating at the prospect. clint, that wouldn't be new. they have been trying to tarnish bob mueller's reputation. boy, they're going to try. >> yeah. it's a really kind of confusing way to look at this. i heard one of the questions, i think, it was to congressman jordan who was talking about why didn't this wrap up sooner? this could really play into robert mueller's hands if he wants to take it that direction, be a little bit well, maybe it was because the president couldn't answer questions or wouldn't actually sit down for an interview, or because attorney general sessions was fired and an interim was put in place and then another attorney general. depending on how mueller answers, he could make them look very foolish. that comes down to what do we expect from mueller, will he be very by the book, stick to the 448-page report? >> you're former fbi. you know about robert mueller. he's by the book all the time. >> he is. but i do think back to -- remember rod rosenstein when he went into one of those hearings, he's by-the-book guy as well. he got pushed very hard a couple times and pushed back. i respected him for that. i hope that as a former fbi director he realizes this is not like any hearing he's gone into
before. if he gets push that way, if they're trying to push him around false pretenses, i hope he purges back because it has extra credibility and the way they conducted this was very much by the book and they were restrained. you can see that in the report. joyce can speak to it better than i can from a lawyer's perspective. they were restrained in terms of what they could do and they didn't get to pursue this as they wanted to. >> in the one time robert mueller spoke, he said that his testimony is his report, that's his final word. it was clear he did not see himself going before agreements congress. now he's going to go before congress. what's going to be different? >> mueller's going to have to confront two different realities. one is this restrained mueller we've seen throughout the investigation, the bob mueller who says my testimony is the report. and there are good institutional reasons, good prudential reasons for prosecutors to stay out of the spotlight.
it helps them for one thing avoid from prejudicing the out come of prosecutions down the road. but this is case of unlike any other. it's the president of the united states, a man who but for, you know, olc but for doj policy that says that a sitting president can't be indicted, probably would be by now. and mueller may have to find a little bit of a break in his armor and let in a little bit more sunshine and talk with congress a little bit about what animated the concerns around the report, what led them to use the processes that they did. it's anybody's guess whether he'll be willing to do that, if he's pushed. but the reality is mueller simply outlining the findings of his report will be a pretty spectacular piece of progress for democrats and nothing for republicans to look forward to given the conclusions of the report that the president committed obstruction and that although they couldn't charge a
conspiracy, there was an awful lot of evidence of coordination, even collusion between the campaign and the russian government. >> clint, that's an interesting point joyce makes. if mueller does nothing more than he said he was going to the and reads parts of the report or reads them in his words, that alone with the number of eyes who will be watching this testimony may serve an important purpose for america. >> it's absolutely correct because 30%, 40% of this country believes only what the president's version of the story is. they have not read the mueller report, they are not necessarily getting a good balance perspective of what was in their, particularly the second part on the obstruction. and they don't really understand what it is. the other thing is despite what the republicans have tried to do the other past year of discrediting robert mueller, for most americans, particularly for conservatives around the country, they remember him as the fbi director that came in after 9/11 that was asked to stay by president obama a democratic president, asking a
republican appointee to stay extra time to serve this country. and i think when they see him, how he conducts himself, it will have a lasting impact on their impression about what this investigation really produced and maybe what we should do going forward. >> we'll be watching it together, and with your help and input. thank you for being with me tonight. escalating clashes between protesters and police on the other side of the world when "the 11th hour" returns.
the last thing before we go tonight, the violent protests that erupted in the streets of the hong kong after a day of peaceful protest, riot police retook the legislative building after demonstrators broke in spraying graffiti on the walls and raising the flag used in the city before china retook control from the united kingdom 22 years ago. at issue is a proposed law that would allow supported criminals to be extradited from hong kong to the chinese mainland. nbc news chief global correspondent bill neely is in hong kong to different. >> tonight, mayhem in hong kong, riot police scattering thousands of protesters. firing tear gas. they had stormed the main government building, demanding tend of the law tightening china's grip on the city. this isn't just a hong kong crisis, this is the biggest popular challenge to china's president chi since he came to power seven years ago.
before the violence hundreds of thousands marched peacefully today, the fourth mass protest against china's hand-picked leader here. they want her fired. >> we've never seen protests like that, it's very sad to see. >> reporter: and china is shiny, shaken. blaming foreign agitators for the trouble. challenged by trade from the u.s. now from within by its own people. >> our thanks to bill neely for that report. i'll be back here tomorrow 1:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be speaking with the trump administration's acting director for the u.s. citizenship and immigration services. that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you for being with us and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. >> tonight on all in. >> they should be given water and basic access to human
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