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that's all for tonight, we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." the beat with ari mel better starts now. >> this is the beat, and we have a lot going on on tonight's show. democrats suing donald trump for his tax returns. later tonight i'm joined by professor eric michael dyson. the homeless crisis in america, and why donald trump is bringing that up. a breaking story we'll bring you later in the hour that we just added to a rundown. we begin with what is shaping up to be a human rights crisis at our nation's border. many say in a large measure, it's a self-created crisis by
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the trump administration. donald trump has done all sorts of things. because of the pressure from democrats in congress and journalists and people who have been visiting these sites, we're now seeing with new depth what is happening inside some of these detention centers. they reported a widespread overcrowding has increased government investigators. in the rio grande valley, a senior manager of one of the facilities, says the situation is now a ticking timebomb. take this photograph, june 10th, mcallen texas, the families you see packed behind this fence. this is this area they have labelled pod 2 with little room for anyone to do anything. they also have families experiencing government induced
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over crowding behind fences. people wrapped in blankets that are similar to the aluminum foil reports we've seen previously. take the pictures out of texas, detainees of kids lying on the floor. sharing a single water cooler from what we can tell. some wearing masks over their mouth. then take a look at the ft. brown station, a man seen holding up a handwritten sign that says simply. i'm going to read it to you, help 40 day here. help. adults also held in cells that are designated for juv 23450eni. many places double the capacity. the report that's leaked details, children with no access to showers, agents refusing to provide children access to hot meals and adults going without showers for as long as a month. the makings of a public health
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crisis. some of these photos are coming out, after lawmakers got to go visit two texas minor facilities. take this video. you can see a woman in a crowded cell. there's no running water. if she needed water, she should drink water out of the toilet. the ap has obtained this video, an interview with a 12-year-old girl. this is from her lawyer, the statement is that they were dealing with this person who was held for two weeks. as with a lot of this, we're talking about crowd sourcing, we're telling you our sources, i have to mention nbc did not record or authenticate the interview, we want you to see what we're learning.
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>> those were pictures and videos, and learning more as people make these visits, there's something going on outside of just the journalistic and political process. we is this new footage today of parts of america where people are out. even though it's heading toward a holiday week, over the treatment of their migrants pursuant to the trump administration policies. good to have you both here. >> i want to start with the big picture. we made a choice here to try to
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show folks what we're learning from various sources, we -- even those reporters we said out in the field are restricted a lot, what we can get, we are not looking at video or footage of prisons. we're not looking at facilities where people have gone through a process and been convicted of a crime and are being punished, that's not what it is. we are looking at the detention of many individuals, including children who haven't had criminal process yet. >> we're looking at people who have a right to seek asylum, it's that simple. these images, it's up to us to look at that, what are we seeing. is that a concentration camp or is that a justified image? people need to start answering that question. what happens when no one's looking? what happens when you're not showing us these images, what are people doing to these kids and these moms inside.
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>> do you know from your work on the issue. there are variations in migration. beyond those variations, what is the evidence you have that it is a deliberate policy, a deliberate outcome of this administration. >> we just saw it, we saw a little girl saying, they're not treating us well. that is the evidence we have. that is the -- that's it. we don't need to look any further. this is a not a debate. this is a young girl telling us, it's bad. that's evidence. >> there are people who think it's a debate. as you know. the pictures tell the story. the administration was knocked back on its heels. here's what some of the rest of
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the country is hearing about, which goes to the politics and debate about what this is like. is it what you just said or more like an over crowded house party. >> picture yourselves, you have a house, a family of five, you have a party, 30 people over. maybe 100 people. in the beginning you're okay with 30, then at 100, you are a little taxed. you have to get an outside facility. it wasn't their idea to have a wide open border. it was bad asylum rules that allowed that to happen. >> they see a house party, i see a crisis, i see human beings, they see criminals, i think this is unjust. they think this is justified. >> michelle at most house parties among other things, there's freedom of movement.
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i hate to be logical about this, but one of the differences between a party and a prison is freedom. >> you have to look at the absurdity people go to to justify the images in front of their face. they're going to tell you you're not seeing what you're seeing. you're not seeing something that looks like the torture of children. that looks like an atrocity. you're seeing an over crowded house party. whether or not it's true the administration did not ask all these people to come here, this is there are vastly increased migrant flows, it's the job of any administration to deal with chris ice. this had is not a new problem, it's been going on for at least a year. it is a job of the administration to make things worse, not to simply say we're
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unprepared and who could have expected it. >> the other thing is, my colleague has reported on the way the administration has taken steps to make it harder to release children in detention to sponsors. part of the aren't system is so backed up, because you're supposed to move the kids from there, then to orr. and then to health and human services and then to a sponsor. what the administration has done is start using that process to catch undocumented immigrants. it's asking people for dna tests, for fingerprints, for fingerprints of everybody in their household. they've taken deliberate steps to keep kids in detention longer. they turn around and say, this isn't our fault. >> take a listen to on the democratic side chairman nadler dialing up the heat on what he thinks can be done about this, take a look.
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>> all the people in the administration who have done this, who have permitted it, are guilty of child abuse, which is a crime. we ought to prosecute. >> i hope they do, and house oversite has announced they're going to be having hearings next week, i don't think we know yet whether or not the leaders of the various departments are going to consent to go before congress because the administration often thinks that congressional hearings are optional. but i hope that, i hope that somebody does. and we also know that in this administration, it's difficult to tell when malice begins and ignorance ends. this group is dehumanizing migrants. dehumanizing and spreading
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pornographic means of la tone know and latina members of congress. i think we can assume a level of ma lev lance that goes beyond resources. >> there's been this reporting today on this facebook page. they're posting about all sorts of things including jokes about what they call migrant deaths. propublica reported. nbc has not verified the posts. they site group members responding with what they look at as wise cracks to a story about a 16-year-old guatemalan migrant who died in custody. the agent writing, oh, well. another post, oh, well, if he dies he dies. this reporting also talks about what we just mentioned, sexist
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means, vulger demonstration of alexandria ocasio-cortez. they're investigating this, figure out what went on. if true, there will be action. i want to bring in a former border patrol agent. >> your reaction? >> i'm not surprised at all. this has been the way the border patrol has been run since probably before i was an agent. there's a reason why only 5% of agents are females and it's not contrary to what the chief says, it's not because the work is difficult. women can handle it just fine. it is because a lot of them are sexually assaulted and harassed. in the agency, and it starts in the academy, and it's the type
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of environment and the atmosphere that the border patrol condones and it continues to happen and has for decades. >> they strike you as how typical of what you saw an experience both online or offline in conversation and in your work? >> they're very typical, i would say, if you're in the agency yourself, and it's -- it's much worse. female agents, it's not unheard of to be raped and assaulted by their classmates in the academy, like i was, and you're not allowed to report this, or else you will lose your job. you're not allowed to file a complaint or else you will lose your job, because they have to investigate and so forth. and the people that commit these atrocities and write these things or say these things, they
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continue on, everybody knows about it, it's the dirty little secrets of the border patrol, every time one of their agents does something like this or somebody discovers a secret page or website or whatever, the management always says, well, this is just not like us, we're honorable, we only want the most honorable people, but yet it keeps happening over and over and over again. >> i appreciate you being able to talk about this. i don't imagine it's easy. i want to ask you about the enforcement aspect of it. my question goes they were to everything you've already said, you know, as we say in the law, allegedly or if true, sounds horrific, criminal, unacceptable. then there's the second layer of what propublica and others are reporting. does this taint or corrupt the way these agents do their jobs.
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are they mistreating as you just alleged, and two, in your experience, though, did it also bias or corrupt the way they were supposed to do their jobs, which is, they're in charge. all the pictures we show at the top of the broadcast, they're in charge of these people, did you experience or observe that also -- >> oh, yeah, absolutely. in the academy, if we're trying to talk about the -- how like you said, how it affects how you enforce -- you have to remember that 52% of the force is latino. a lot of people ask me how do they get latino people to behave this way against people who are their own heritage or culture, it's because in the academy, they mandate and they teach the agents to use racist terms for migrants, so they see these people as other, and they're not like them. it's not uncommon, it's very freak went for border patrol agents to arrest women coming across the border, and set up
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dates afterwards with them on the south side. it's not uncommon for many sexual assaults to be filed against agents. so i think definitely it does have an effect, it's condoned, and when it happens and if somebody complains, everybody groups together, specifically more the male side. and they protect each other, and they push everything out. and they stay quiet. that's how it works. >> i would be curious to know where you come down on the malice versus incompetence question. one of the things that supporters of border patrol are saying, they're just overwhelmed and underresourced. that was part of the justification for congress just giving them this huge new budget suppleme supplement. i'm curious from what you know, is it that they're operating on a shoestring and don't have the resources to deal with this
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influx? or do you think it's more about satisfiedism and punishment? >> you know, i would compare it to when i was an agent, we had about -- less than 5,000 agents for the southern border, and per year we would get an average of about 1.5 million apprehensions. today they have roughly 19 to 20,000 agents. and this year it has increased. but they're nowhere near the numbers we used to have. with four times the number of agents, they seem to be able to do a lot less than what we were able to handle back then. they should be able to handle this, they've had decades to deal with this situation. this is not a criminal law enforcement situation, it's a humanitarian asylum situation, and asylum is not a crime. >> you mentioned earlier that we reported on -- even for folks
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who watch this and have a view about immigration, and border crossings, we're not looking at what is supposed to be a criminal punishment setting, we're looking at what is supposed to be temporary detention. i appreciate you sharing your story. i should mention again as i sometimes do in our reporting, that dhs says they're investigating the incidents that led into our discussion, and we invite them on to discuss any of this as we often request of the trump administration. thanks to each of you. >> thank you. important story, we will stay on it, we have a lot of other stuff i mentioned, tonight house democrats bringing the fight to trump and mnuchin to court. who's going to win? we have all of that with a breakdown. later, a big loss in the trump administration, they are be holden to try to have a citizenship question on the census. that ends today, a big loss for trump. and michael eric dyson on this
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attack on america's cities. >> the people living there are living in hell too. some of them have mental problems, where they don't even realize they're living that way. >> we have a lot of stories and topics, by the end of the hour, i will bring back on a lawmaker that went to the detention facility we're discussing and bare witness to what she saw. aw you make time... when you can. but sometimes life gets in the way, and that stubborn fat just won't go away. coolsculpting takes you further. a non-surgical treatment that targets, freezes, and eliminates treated fat cells, for good. discuss coolsculpting with your doctor. some common side-effects include temporary numbness, discomfort, and swelling. don't imagine results, see them. coolsculpting, take yourself further. (door bell rings) it's ohey. this is amazing. with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay? even when i was there,
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democrats in congress not treating this week like a vacation. a sharp escalation, a major effort to force transparency on donald trump, a story we first spoke about. >> i have spoken to a senior democratic source on the weighs and means committee who says tonight, they do intent to request president trump's tax returns. we learned that election night news from our sources, now, by april, house democrats were invii invoking a special federal law to get the tax returns, this is the rare move in washington that mitch mcconnell cannot thwart. unlike other democratic efforts in the house, it's one that does take on donald trump and try to get some oversight.
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what's happening? the democrats are striking back against that defiance by formally taking steve mnuchin to court. that's going to try to make them comply with the law. the fight not only puts new legal pressure on trump, it reminds voters about a broken promise. >> if i decide to run for office, i'll produce my tax returns, absolutely. i would love to do that. >> he didn't and he doesn't, the new york times saw some of trump's tax info decades ago, it showed a billion in losses. it showed evident that he engaged in tax schemes. the times saw them as outright fraud. maybe those reports have something to do with why donald trump broke his promise. i am joined by david corn. who is not only an author and an
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msnbc analyst, but someone who has made -- i must know for this conversation, a nearly daily habit of tweeting today would be a good day for trump to release his tax returns. take it away. >> that has become my private mantra, my daily moment of zen. we've been talking about his taxes now for four or five years, and he made that promise, he didn't keep it, and a lot of us have been wondering why the democrats are moving as slowly as they have been to try to get them, under the law as you talked about in this show. they had the right to ask for it. the irs shall make them available. well, they've been very -- you know, this isn't criticism, but explanation. the house democrats have been deliberative about this. they're worried about being portrayed by trump as nothing but trump hunters, here they are, they asked for them quite legitimately, and steve mnuchin
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said no, go away, i'm not going to follow the law. they followed suit with this now. they truly will be interested here, beyond even the taxes, is that we're getting to a moment, trump has blown through so many norms, people talked about whether we're at a constitutional crisis or not. at some point in time, a court is going to order trump, one of his minions to do something. and what happens when they say no? what happens when mnuchin loses this case, and the court says you must produce these taxes, and he says i'm not going to do that. we know if you are an originalist or a conservative reader of the rules. we'll put it up on the screen, it says, written request from the chairman of the committee, the treasury secretary shall
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furniture any return or return information specified. law school has complicated sections, that's not one of them. it says steve, you must turn over the taxes, you think they're going to lose this? and you think the supreme court will back up the congress? >> if it goes up to the supreme court we end up with a texturalist decision, or judicial activism on the part of justices who say, well, we don't think that text means what it means. you know, trump has been making the argument. >> you're saying this would not be a good argument if the court decided it shall -- if you feel like it? >> yes. as you know, trump's been making this argument that congress doesn't have the right to do this. that's the basis of this legal argument, which up until now --
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>> to be fair, that's why there was never a benghazi oversight committee created, because that's not a legislative activity. >> or fast and furious. or a clinton campaign financial scandal. >> would you like to take a look at steve mnuchin clashing with the congress? because it's become sort of a thing. >> sure, i like the picture of him with the dollar bills, but let's roll the tape. >> as they say at mother jones, dollar dollar bills y'all. roll the tape. >> if you'd wish to keep me here so that i don't have my important meeting and continue to grill me then we can do that, i will cancel my meeting and i will not be back here. >> thank you. the gentleman, the secretary has agreed to stay. >> you are instructing me to stay here. >> no, you just made me an of r
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offer. >> please dismiss everyone, i think you're supposed to bang the gavel. >> can we glean anything from that? >> it shows a disdain for the committee chairman and legislative oversight. they'll keep doing this, run out the clock until 2020, who knows what happens at this point. they're basically all these conservatives out there, supporting trump, who always believed in co equal government and feared about the overreach of president obama and the imperial president. they're running away, ducking and covering, and they're not abiding by the written law as they've always celebrated it. >> before i let you go. >> happy july 4th. >> before i let you go. is it possible that all of this is not of governing significance because trump is hiding problems that affect government?
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but sheer embarrassment that he doesn't have the money he claimed. i'm sure you're familiar with the musician jay cool. >> one of my favorites. >> and he always says don't call me unless we're talking about come mas. you have to have quite a few commas, that's real money, you get up to the million and billion. donald trump has lived a life claiming he has more commas than he has. would you concede that embarrassing him over having less money than he claimed is not a great and valid government purpose, and it should be about more than that? >> let's talk about fraud. one reason we have transparency laws in this country. people can make informed decisions when it comes to deciding who's going to get their finger on the nuclear button. trump -- it's not a law that you have to release your tax
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returns, it is a norm, there are other laws that he has violated or not paid into. the emoluments clause and other things, i think he ran on a false promise. he had nothing to do with russia, he was dealing with russia while running for president on a very important business deal. >> how many come mas do you think he has? >> does he have 4 or 3? >> in terms of commas? got to do the math here. >> billions or millions? >> the thing is, you have to have the commas on both sides, commas in assets, also commas on the debts. and that's where you get the bottom line. >> david corn taking the jay cool analysis and bringing in some economics. my team, you know, the b team is on it. you mentioned something, we're going to show you, there he is. >> there you go, the money man. >> yeah. it's a real photo. it looks like a fake, but it's
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really america. >> thank you, and have a good fourth of july. >> have a good fourth. you and yours. when we come back, we have one of the democrats later in this show who are being told to drink out of toilets. michael eric dyson is here to fact check donald trump. donap marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. now no fruit is forbidden. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? for a restless night's sleep. pain settle for all-day, all-night protection. there's a better choice. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid and the 12-hour pain-relieving strength of aleve that dares to last into the morning. so you feel refreshed. aleve pm. there's a better choice. america has all kinds of pressing problems that don't get
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enough attention. consider more than a half a million people are homeless in america. the politics of poverty with our friend professor michael eric dyson. donald trump using a new interview with tucker carlson, and to use the false claim it started two years ago. >> they have a major problem with filth. >> i understand. >> why is that? >> it's a inphenomenon that started two years ago, it's disgraceful, i'm going to maybe -- i'm looking at it very seriously, intercede. we may do something to get that whole thing cleaned up, it's inappropriate. >> they may do something to clean it up. >> this is trump in interview mode and obscures the fact that he's the president. he can call ben carson any time to get their statistics, which
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shows homelessless has fallen a bit during the obama administration and is now roughly flat. he could help homeless people get shelter and then jobs. if you look at what hud is doing in the trump era? it's working harder -- i should say, it's working to make it harder for homeless people to get shelter, this is a recent hud proposal that would allow shelters to discriminate. a plan that would potentially increase the number of people on the street. that's what the trump administration is doing. while he uses these interviews, this bully pull pet to try to play up this grim portrayal of american homelessness. >> it's disgraceful, the people living there are living in hell too. some of them have mental problems where they don't know they're living that way. these officers are getting sick just by walking the beat. that's destroying a whole way of life.
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>> michael eric dyson, a professor at georgetown university. the author of what truth sounds like. i wand to talk to you about this, because there's something important underneath some of the false claims. what do you see when the president says that, and what do you see in the wider politics of poverty? >> the demonization of the urban man. there's a stigma being made with these people who are our fellow citizens. instead of taking credit for the dip in the numbers, the decline in homelessness, and then going-forward to suggest that maybe he can alter some of his policies, call ben carson up as you suggested. stop the low income housing dragging of people through the mud, and then give them opportunities. talk about substance abuse treatment, talk about mental
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health delivery, talk about permanent housing, these are the kind of substantive public policies that can be put forth to alleviate and ameliorate the situation that's going on there. instead, hen watts to hype it up to suggest there's a dickens like urban landscape that's prevailing, and he'll be the heroic figure to step in and save them. >> you mentioned dickens. >> right. >> here's a little more of the president, because the way he talks about it, the filth, the disgrace, it's evocative, it may not be accurate. it's a portrait and it's -- why does he need to paint this portrait as he unveils his re-election? take a look. >> this is the liberal center, this is what i'm finding. they -- i don't know if they're afraid of votes, i don't know if they really believe this should be taking place. usually sanctuary cities, run by liberal people, the thing no one
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can figure out, do the gover ins, the mayors think this is okay. it's not? >> that's astonishing, he could read some david humes and talk about causality. are they corollary, corroborating? the president is trying to demonize the progressives and liberals as if they are the cause of this, while he's president now, while he's sitting in the bully pull pep, to be able to speak out against this issue, what he's proved to us, is the fact that he has a pen that is active, and he can go in there and issue executive orders, and he can do things that will make a substantive difference. he can call the secretary of housing, and tell ben carson, you have to do something different than what you're doing now. the point is, he wants to paint a portrait of democrats and progressives and those who are concerned about these issues, and somehow out of step, out of tune, allow their public policies 20 undercut and
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undermine the people they are meant to help, and the reality is, his public policy ain't doing nothing, it's not just a matter of come mas, it's semicolons. >> look at you. from the numerical to the grammatical, i expect nothing less. i mentioned earlier in the broadcast, we're going to get you a little on 2020. jesse jackson is still a big leader, he summons people to have these kind of conversations, particularly about his issues in civil rights. here's mayor pete today talking at that event. take a look. >> when you're new on the scene, and you're not from a community of color, you got to work much harder in order to earn that trust, trust is largely a function of quantity. i'm committed to doing that work. the most important question is, will our policy benefit black americans and all americans, if that happens, and if i can show that, i think the politics will
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start to take care of themselves. >> professor? you hear him talking about trust, as you know, it's been said trust, a word you seldom hear from us, we don't sleep but keep one eye up. talk about building trust for such a young mayor, an untraditional candidate? >> it's hard, because on the one hand, you took him at his word, he's a breath of fresh air, he admits when he does something wrong, he issues an apology, the problem is, when you have the opportunity, when you add a black police chief and got rid of him, and you think for good reason, because he was taping cops, he was taping them because they were doing racist things that couldn't be exposed. instead of hiring another black police chief, and then the person there on the police force who ends up killing recently the young man is himself not taken to task. you have to close the distance between what you say and what you do, another great rapper of
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an earlier century said, between the ideal and the reality falls the shadow. pete buttigieg has to look at the shadow, that is both self-reflexive and looking at the landscape of public policy. yes, be sorry, you have to talk about people whose interests are there, but you have to move from ideal to reality. >> a lot of people forget the ts elliott b side. we learn so much from you, sir, if it wasn't a tv show, i would be honored to call you and just hear you break all this stuff down from the poverty conversation, which is so important to your views on 2020, hope you come back soon, professor dyson. >> look forward to it, thank you mr. ari melber. >> thank you, sir. >> we take a turn, try to cover a lot of different things this hour. we're going to get an eyewitness account that will give more insight into what we're seeing inside a migrant detention center. later, this is important, the trump administration conceding
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what we saw today was unconscionab unconscionable. >> one of the women said she was told by an agent to drink water out of the toilet. these are the conditions that have been created by the trump administration. these are the inhumane conditions that folks are facing. >> that was the congress speaking out. i'm speaking to norma torres, who was inside a facility. congresswoman, what are you seeing? >> i am disgusted by what we saw. continuing to see what i saw eight months ago, which are very young children.
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they're in groups taking care of each other, it's unconscionable that we continue to have these horrible images, and congress denies entry to these facilities, we continue to deny cell phones and for the world, what we are seeing. >> how does that work? if you make request to dhs for a facility, be it in your district or a place relevant to your committee, what happens? >> they say that they are not available for a tour and requests a later date. when that date comes around, it's usually cancelled or rescheduled for a further date. they don't want us there, they don't want us to hold them accountable for the inhumane treatment and the pain they are causing these toddlers. >> that is an important context to their claim and what they're
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saying the trump administration says no, it's a few facilities being selected and used to tar the whole system. they're not even letting people look at the system, here was the claim from the acting trump dhs secretary today. >> unsubstantiated allegations last week. that's balanced somewhat, since several media outlets tour ed te areas. >> that was last week? >> i think it doesn't jibe with the photos we're seeing, i'm reminded of the time donald trump said, believe what you see with your own eyes, we're seeing photographs of children in cages covered in alum numb foil.
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why would you put children and families in a cage like that, i think as american citizens, we have to understand this is all being done in our name. the tax dollars that are going to fund this, the votes that are going to support these policies, we have to understand that this is something we have a responsibility to speak up about and ensure this ends. it is their role as part of the oversight responsibility to ensure she's human rights violations are not happening in our country. >> what do you say to the larger conversation we've had that migration does surge, people are fleeing, obviously, real external events, the united states and president of the united states don't generally control in other places. and that accounts for at least a part of this. >> it does account for at least a part of it, we are a great
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