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instance. i suspect that there is going to be more reserve on both parties about who gets called out more publicly. i do think this continues to be a fight that gets played out within the caucus on these substantive issues. >> thank you both. the rachel maddow show starts now. >> thanks, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining us. the happy to have you here. senator bernie sanders is here in studio for an interview. i saw him at the debate in miami and we haven't had him here for an interview in a long time and i'm excited he is here. he will be here in a moment. also exciting today, the u.s. national soccer team that won the world cup this weekend was celebrated in truly perfect raucous and over the top fashion with a ticker tape parade through downtown manhattan.
pure joy. the excitement and the enthusiasm and the glee in the city, particularly from lots of kids in the city, it was palpable today. it was so great. whether or not you were in new york city and able to make it or whether you just might have seen these images today, the footage and the coverage, it was such a nice national bright spot in the news. worth letting it wash over you. pausing to let it make you happy for a moment. it was so great. especially it feels great because the news has been so dark lately. right? it's nice to have something that is pure gleaming glee. because the news has been dark. even today, the weird news was dark. like this new reporting over the last 24 hours from the great david farn holt for "the
washington post." it provides all americans with front page notice that among the way this is president and his family are continuing to make money from their private businesses on the side during his time in office is by doing this effect with a miami strip club. this is not like a historical thing that turned up. this is this week. you can meet your caddy girl friday, july 12th, the day after tomorrow. you can also rsvp for your caddy girl. you show up at the strip club address. but that event that starts on friday at the strip club continues on saturday at the trump national doral. i believe also on this flyer for the event, that is the trump family crest as well. you shouldn't hold me to it. i think it is.
some of the other promotional materials like this one posted at exotic dancer.com show in addition to the base rate for getting the caddy girl of your choice, again you can earth buy the girl outright or bid for her at an auction in addition to the base rate for your caddy girl. you can see here under the trump family crest, you can pay for a vip upgrade, which is a combined package with three days and two nights' stay with breakfast at the president's hotel combined with a half hour in the vip room plus bottle service at the strip club with full nudity. you get a special stripper package combined with a stay at the president's club. there are a few different ways you can give the president your money through this event. you can do the buy it now plan or prereserve the nude dancer
that you want and you get to pick her out specifically. or roll the dice and press your luck and go to the auction the night before the event where you can't just pick the girl you want and buy her. all of the girls that are remaining will be sold off to the highest bidder one by one. after you purchase your chosen nude dancer either directly or at the auction on friday night, then on saturday at the president's club, you get to take her out for a round of golf. the organizer from the strip club said on the golf course, the dancers would be promised that the dancers would wear pink mini skirts and what the organizer from the strip club called a sexy white polo. now, if that's not what you were after, if that is disappointing to you given what you would be spending on this venue, take heart.
after you are allowed to do the golfing thing with the pink mini skirts and the sexy white polos, after that, the plan is that everybody leaves the president's golf club and goes back to the strip club itself if you get the vip package, transportation is provided. that's the part where there would be less clothing than on the golf course. this advertises full nudity on a normal day. for this event involving the president's golf club and the trump family crest, the club said they would be planning a very tasteful burlesque show that could involve nudity. an excitement and suspension as to just how naked the event would become. this was reported last night by a pulitzer prize winning reporter who followed the money
in the trump empire from the beginning. in the initial report last night, he got a statement from the trump organization confirming that the nude dancer event is happening at the president's golf club. in a statement from the trump organization, they not only confirmed it was happening burke bragged for a worthwhile cause after the president's club got paid its cut. by this afternoon, the charity beneficiary announced they no longer wanted anything do with this event. after that announcement from the charity backing out for several hours that, left us with the impression that this was just going to be the president's club hosting a nude dancer auction for money straight up regardless of a worthy cause, but as we were getting ready to get on the air about an hour and a half ago, we got word after national discussion on this matter driven by the national post's
reporting, the president's family business has as of tonight decided they are not going to go through with this after all. obviously this is fine. this is what you might expect from an american presidency. i blame obama. who among us doesn't recall how president obama's frequent nude dancer auctions at the private business he and michelle kept operating broke the seal over that outrage over that kind of thing. after all his nude dancer auctions. that's why the president's business had been planning this event and why no one much cared. because of the outrage over obama doing this kind of thing. no one cared until the ended up on the front page of the "washington post." i wondered if if the pence family would show up. would they be more fiscally responsible and do the buy it
now nude dancer or try their luck with the auction? what do you think, pence family? again, as of tonight within the last hour or so, we have new this is has been called up. it's up at exotic dancer.com. maybe people will still show. apparently it has been cancelled. the idea that president trump would be trying to profit from something like this or trying to hold an event like this involving the use of his family crest and all of rest, it's sort of just wednesday in an average trump presidency news cycle. on a day like today, it's hard to avoid that it's not just a one off. the trump presidency has been like in an ongoing way. it seems like it's going to continue. today in addition the strip club nude dancer auction at the
president's golf club news, in the same news cycle, we also got this eyebrow raising ruling from a federal judge in florida. that's about the florida massage parlor owner who had ties to the chinese government and communist party organizations while she was offering to sell access for cash to chinese national who is wanted to attend with his family and cabinet officers at the for profit club, mar a lago. the woman in question who has been photographed at mar a lago in the company of the president who is a republican party fund-raiser in the trump era, she is the original owner of a string of massage particlo where the owner of the new england patriots football team, robert kraft got caught up in a prostitution sting. he and more than 20 other people were charged with prostitution offenses related to that massage
parlor. he pled not guilty, but the charges are pending. here is mr. kraft having dinner at the president's table at an event honoring the amir of qatar. i don't know if there were massages at that event, but you feel like you have to ask. now this federal judge issued the short order, giving prosecutors the go ahead to file classified evidence with the court in a related case. the president's mar a lago club massage parlor prostitution ring cash for access scandal is now affirmed to also have a nexus to a counter intelligence investigation that's current under way to president trump's mar a lago club in particular. that nexus gave rise to this
order from the federal judge allowing prosecutors to file classified evidence rather than allowing that evidence to be seen publicly or by the grand jury or even by the defense. the judge ruled that the court finds that the classified information referenced in the government's motion and memorandum implicates the privilege because the information is properly classified and its disclosure could cause serious damage to the national security of the united states. it is ordered that the government is authorized to withhold from the defendant the specified information outlined in the motion. in addition to the classified evidence counter intelligence part of that, the justice department is also reportedly investigating whether the massage parlor corruption scheme around mar a lago might have involved funneling foreign donations to republican party entity and causes. now, to be clear and to be fair here, we should not confusion
the various profit-making enterprises that the president and his family are running alongside his time in the oval office. they are separate entities and they are running as their side business in addition to the presidency. let's be clear. the nude dancer auction with the we promise they are sexy polo shirts and the mini skirts and the burlesque shows, that's the president's club in florida called doral is a separate presidential property from the chinese spying massage parlor prostitution ring scandal associated with the president's other business in florida called mar a lago. to be fair, understand that this is both properties totally separate scannedals. it can be hard to disa.m. biguate these things. we have never have scandals like this let alone running simultaneously. it's hard to keep them all straight. with this president, this is
what the news is like now. and on days like today with news cycles like this, i will admit to finding it a little -- i don't know if it's unnerving, but at least unsettling that those kinds of stories i just described from today's news cycle are unspooling in today's news alongside this scandal in washington. this today was president trump's labor secretary, alex acosta in which he addressed his role in a still murky deal in which he and his office signed a non-prosecution agreement with jeffrey epstein, a wealthy and well-convicted connected sexual predator who served a little bit of time with work release on state prostitution charges in florida. alex acosta is feeling the need from the actions back in the day
related to the epstein case. he is facing decades in prison even though alex acosta wouldn't bring charges against epstein when he was the u.s. attorney in florida. they amassed enough evidence for a 50 plus page indictment when acosta was the u.s. attorney even though accoosta wouldn't bring federal changes against him. somebody else finally did bring considerable charges, in this case for sex trafficking. he pled not guilty and facing 45 years in prison if convict and sentences to the maximum term. today in washington the press conference by alex acosta was designed, it seemed, to signal that he is not planning on resigning over the scandal. labor secretary also took questions. this was clearly him showing he is willing to face criticism on this. face his critics. alex acosta's defense started to boomerang on him.
this i did not expect. in a bunch of different ways, what secretary acosta did today and in particular the information he released to the press today seemed to have made things worse for him in terms of efforts to justify his previous actions and justify why he shouldn't be apologizing now at least if not resigning over his role in this scandal now that jeffrey epstein is facing federal charges since acosta couldn't bring himself to bring similar charges. first of all the fact that a federal judge has not ruled that he broke the law when they made this non-prosecution deal with jeffrey epstein without notifying the victims they were doing so. acosta will face a sanction in federal court for having broken the law in that way. the judge has already said acosta's office under his leadership broke the law by not telling the victims about the deal before they did it. we are waiting to find out what his sanction is going to be from
the court. that makes it remarkable that he is still a cabinet official and hasn't resigned or been fired. even today while mounting the defense and knowing that that decision from the court is pending in terms of his fate, acosta has no answer on that issue. and he has no apologies for epstein's victims either even though he was asked if he saw a need to apologize to them. he did this deal without tell g ing epstein's victims he was doing it. that was against the law. to make it all worse today, acosta released a declaration from his lead prosecutor who worked on the case which included damning admissions that don't help acosta on it at all. the materials that he handed out to the press in the big defensive press conference included this letter in which his lead prosecutor working under his leadership in his office spelled out explicitly
that acosta's office stopped efforts to notify victims about this non-prosecution deal specifically because epstein told them to. because epstein's lawyers demanded that they stop telling the victims. acosta's office spells it out in this letter to epstein's lawyers why they stopped victim notification about epstein's deal. three victims were notified after the signing of the agreement. notified of the general terms. you meaning epstein's lawyers raised objections to any victim notification and no further notifications were done. so acosta's office has been found by a judge to have broken the law by not telling the victims. acosta just released information showing us all that his office admitted that the reason they didn't notify more victims is because jeffrey epstein told them not to.
that's why they stopped. so that's a problem for labor secretary alex acosta. that is not getting better with his supposed defense. it seems like it's getting worse. also, the materials that acosta distributed today in his own defense additionally show that his office, acosta's office believed that epstein was breaking the terms of the non-prosecution agreement they had signed him up to. it is clear neither you or your client ever intended to abide by the terms of the agreement he signed. they put that in writing. acosta's office and prosecutors saying you were never intending to abide by that deal. well, okay. once you have got an alleged perpetrator who you decided to give a non-prosecution agreement to, once that perpetrator violates the terms of that agreement, then deal's off. agreement's broken. you are no longer bound by it. prosecute away, right?
alex acosta's office never prosecuted jeffrey epstein. acosta released this information purportedly as part of the reason you are supposed to feel better about his actions. it doesn't make things any better for him. it would seem to make things worse. you not only gave epstein this deal, your office believe epstein broke the deal and you still didn't prosecute him? the even bigger problem is that what he went to the podium to say today for why he did this deal back in the day, he was actually trying to be the real hero in the epstein case. in the past, acosta has been able to be vague in justifications for why he did this agreement to not prosecute. he never faced all that much pressure. he didn't find the scandal to be a barrier picking him to be in the cabinet. now acosta is under pressure and now he is having to spell it out
and the main case he made today is that he had to do this non-prosecution deal with epstein because the state of florida was screwing it up. remember he was the federal prosecutor. he said state prosecutors had evidence on epstein, but they were not going to be able to get a proper conviction or sentence. acosta had to swoop in with this deal. a federal non-prosecution deal pleading guilty to one state charge and doing time in a county jail where he got let out on work release where his driver drove him home. today in response to secretary acosta's press conference, the top prosecutor responded with a written statement. i can emphatically state there mr. acosta's recollection is completely wrong. my office took the local police department's investigation to a grand jury and subpoenaed witnesses. the grand jury returned a single count indictment of felony
prostitution, a third-degree felony. subsequently, so there after, the u.s. attorney's office, alex acosta's office produced a 53-page indictment abandoned after secret negotiations after epstein's lawyers and mr mr. acosta. the state attorney was not a party to those meetings and negotiations and had no part in the non-prosecution agreement. no matter how my office, meaning how the state office resolved the state charges rnlg the u.s. attorney's office, acosta's office, always had the ability to file its own federal charges fchl he was truly concerned with the state's case and felt he to rescue the matter, he would have moved forward with the indictment that his own office drafted. instead, alex acosta brokered a plea deal that resulted in a non-prosecution agreement. it closes, mr. acosta should not be allowed to rewrite history. so honestly, bottom line, this
just turned out to be an unusually gross day in the news even for the trump era. if i had access to a shower in my office, i would have used it to get through the process of reading these developing stories. as a legal matter and as a political matter in terms of the future of the cabinet official, it seems like this cabinet official, alex acosta made the case against himself worse today with this defense he rolled out, which is immediately contested by the person who the defense pointed at. also with the specific information that he handed out to the press about the jeffrey epstein case and how it was handled under his leadership at the u.s. attorney's office in florida. i'm not a lawyer. i'm just an easily grossed out middle aged person who reads the news for a living. that is my sense. we ought to check it out with someone who knows these things. this is chuck rosenburg, senior fbi official. it is great to see you.
thanks for making time to be here. >> glad to be here, rachel. >> i understand you were able to see acosta's press conference and see the materials he handed out. let me ask you about the impression i had as a nonlawyer looking at the materials thinking the nonlegal case acosta is making to justify his position, his actions in the epstein case don't seem to be helped by the material he distributed. >> here said a couple of things that made sense. that's much shorter and a bunch of things that made no sense at all. the things that made sense is these are hard cases and you want to be sensitive to the victims. that's where the logic ended. right? the state's attorney in florida is 100% right. if alex acosta thought it was not going to be properly handled, he had the complete ability to bring charges
federally. they had the draft indictment. he did say that the cases are hard. i will reiterate. they are hard. they had more than 30 minor child victims. even if a bunch didn't want to testify and i completely understand that, some number would. and oh, by the way, if some number would not and didn't feel like they had the quantum of proof they needed, they could continue the investigation until they did. there was no time stamp on this. there was no urgency to negotiate an agreement. it doesn't add up. it doesn't make sense, rachel. >> let me drill down on the last point. this was something that donned on me that i had not appreciated with this case. acosta has said he didn't feel like he could bring charges for whatever reason. he didn't feel like he could bring charges. that doesn't mean though, that he had to bring an affirmative
non-prosecution agreement regardless of what the state did. acosta could have just let this investigation run. he affirmatively chose to enter into this non-prosecution agreement without any imperative to do so. >> that's right. first of all for context, we don't routinely or ever end cases with a non-prosecution agreement. if we don't have a case, we simply don't bring it. there was no reason, no need to enter into a non-prosecution agreement. putting that aside, there was absolutely no time limit on the investigation. the southern district of new york, god bless them just indicted the case. there is no statute of limitations problem. if the federal prosecutors in florida thought they didn't have enough, all they had to do was continue their work. it was that simple. >> one last question for you. another thing that struck me as something that i wanted to ask you about because i didn't really understand the
implication. secretary acosta said repeatedly words to the effect of this was a different time. meaning i think he was implying that cases like this 12 years ago were handled in a very different way, we didn't have the same sensitivities and the same legal tools. he seemed to imply that this is a different era for pursuing a trafficking case or the case that sd ny. >> way, way, way back in 2007 in the dark ages of federal prosecution, i can assure you there were thousands of prosecutors and cops and agents around the country making difficult sex crimes cases. look, we are trained in this way. we know how to work with victims. the notion that we couldn't bring such a case all the way back in 2007 is deeply wrong and deeply dangerous. by the way, deeply insulting to the men and women who are doing this kind of work.
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so every day there is new news on the polls and the fund-raising numbers and even the evolving logistics of the gigantic primary and we can run through that stuff any time. there is an infinite supply. that horse race stuff is always with us and only part of the way the competition is being waged. if you are, for example, senator bernie sanders waging your second run for the presidency in four years, this week, for example, has been very, very busy already and it's only wednesday. yesterday senator sanders announced a house and senate resolution to declare the climate crisis the national
emergency. it's an emergency resolution that follows trump's pulled out of air emergency to build a border wall and sell weapons to saudi arabia for its war in yemen. calling to declare the climate crisis a national emergency was yesterday and released his anti-endorsement list in which he quotes fdr i ask you to judge me by the enemies i have made. in senator sanders' case, that's a list that includes a bunch of billionaires and ceos of fortune 500 companies like the former heads of jpmorgan chase and alan greenspan and a list of famous dudes who have all criticized him by name. in unveiling this extraordinary list, senator sanders accused the people on that list of having a vested interest in preserving the status quo.
we welcome their hatred. just tonight he wrote an op-ed, the headline you can see. the straightest path to racial equality is through the 1%. the unfortunate truth is that politician who is take checks from millionaires and billionaires owe their kwepts first and the americans last. they could be closed by targeting the extreme wealth at the top. politicians ask the black middle class and white middle class to fight over the scraps. busy, right? joining us now for the interview is senator bernie sanders. senator, it's great to see you. >> good to be with you. >> i'm not going to ask you these questions, but i want to know, in 2016, pretty soon into it, you were running in a two-other than primary.
how is it different to run in a two million person primary. >> it is very different. the last time we had to win 50% to win a state and we won 22 states. this time around, i doubt that anybody will come close to 50% of the vote in any state. you are talking about candidates getting 25 or 30% of the vote. i feel very good with the fact that we have now received $2 million individual contributions which i think is all time world record up to this point, averaging awful $19 apiece. we have over a meal yon volunteers and strong organizations in the states i went to. we are feeling good. >> knowing that ceiling might be different, how do you change your strategy to account for that? >> it's more aggressively getting out the vote. at the end of the day, you have
to get people out to the caucuses and get votes in to win it. i think we have both. >> in terms of the character of the primary this far, we are not that far into it. we had the one debate and a ton of people in the field. a lot of people remarked on the fact that people are playing your song. that a lot of your positions that you stakd out not only over the course of your career are centrist positions. is that just a matter of satisfaction for you or does that give you new work to do? >> both. it is a deep sense of satisfaction. you followed the last campaign. you were there in the debates. many of the ideas i brought forth, $15 an hour minimum wage. you're crazy. in a few days, the u.s. house of representatives is going to passe $15 minimum wage.
university of texas today announced the families 60,000 or under free tuition and people are moving in that direction. dealing with student debt. that can't be done. now a lot of people are understanding it's an out ridge that you have young people who can't get married and have kids because they are dealing with incredible rates of student debt. dealing with climate change as national security issue. i don't know if it was a debate you read, but bernie, what is the major crisis we face. isis or al qaeda. i said climate change. people kind of laughed. they are not laughing today. health care as a human right. bernie, that's unamerican. no one believes that. the last poll i saw, 60 or 70% of the people believe in a single payer program. we have moved not only the debate, but legislation in states and in the federal
government. now what has to be done and i'm the only candidate who will tell you this. at the end of the day, it's not good enough to talk about medicare for all and talk about being on climate change. understand there is a reason why in the last 30 years, the top 1% have seen an increase of wealth of $21 trillion and wealth has gone down for the bottom half. why we are the major country not to guarantee health care or parental or sick and medical leave. there is a reason. the reason is finally saying that if you want real change, we need a political revolution. it means we are going to have to take on wall street. the insurance companies and the drug companies and the fossil few industry and the military industrial complex and the
prison industrial complex. we can talk about the great things we want to do, but at the end of the day, to understand why we are where we are, where the middle class is shrinking and 40 million people live in poverty, we have to understand the political reality and the power structure of america. we are prepared to take the guys on and i say unapologetically, i am nort afraid of those people and i'm an existential threat to the democratic party. so be it. we are going to take them on. >> how that translates. i am hearing echoes in the first debate in miami. when the question was along the lines of what do you want to do first. you talked about this need for a political revolution and the need to take on multifront battles. all at the same time. if you were elected president in 2020, odds are they would still be the leader and still hold the
majority there. you know what that means in terms of the legislation. i know you don't want mcconnell still there. if he , what would you put on list o his plate first. what would be your first priority. >> i would be in the state of kentucky holding a rally to hundreds of thousands of people, one of the poorest states, a struggling state that we need to raise the minimum wage, a state that is suffering for lack of health care. we will rally the american people in kentucky and in mississippi. we will rally the people in south carolina to demand that their representatives, i know this is a radical idea, but actually do what the american people want. the point i makeover and over again, the ideas i talk about are ideas that the american people want. they don't get it because you have a congress indebted to
wealthy campaign contributors. if you call it socialism or progressive governments, it exists in norway, sweden, denmark where they have health care for all and universal child care and college education is free. these are not radical ideas. we need to rally the american people by the millions. that's what i mean by a political revolution. as president that's what i will help lead. we will give mitch mcconnell something he cannot afford to refuse. we will give him millions of people demanding he take action on the issues impacting the working class of this country. >> we'll be right back with bernie sanders, democratic candidate after this. stay with us. ayst with us or what i witnessed,who i m but i can tell you liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no... only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ you might or joints.hing for your heart... but do you take something for your brain.
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legislation with alexandria ocasio-cortez in the house to declare a climate emergency. you have also said just this week that you will be coming out with the strongest climate change plan in the current democratic field. i know you haven't released details, but how do you define it as the strongest. >> there are other good plans out there. what it will do is tell the fossil fuel industry they cannot continue to destroy the planet for the sake of their short-term profits. stop and think about it. they lie every day. they are obfuscating reality and making huge amounts of money and by the way, destroying the planet. somebody has to say we don't accept shooting down other planet. you are destroying the planet. thousands of people will die as a result of what you are doing it. we will transform the energy efficiency and we need a new system as well.
the other point here, rachel is obviously this is not just an american issue. this is a global issue by definition. we need a president not like trump who thinks climate change is a hoax, we need a president who says every country on earth, you are in this. china, india, russia, brazil, africa, we are all in this together. maybe, i know this may be a pipe dream, but maybe in this crisis, planetary crisis, maybe we can say instead of spending a trillion and a half dollars a year on weapons of destruction designed to kill each other, maybe we can use those resources to fight our common enemy, which is climate change. as president i would love the opportunity to lead that effort. >> i think about a corporate-driven effort goingality big oil and energy holding them accountable.
i can envision an agenda like that and you talk about the rest of the world and you think about saudi and the big state controlled oil companies in our economic rivals around the world and can't imagine them not just seeing that as a competitive advantage. >> ed ordinary people understan that they will lead to what the kids and grandchildren have as uninhabitable. >> you couldn't rally the saudi and the indian people. >> actually, you could. see if mohamed bin salman will let me into the country. people throughout the world understand the threat. we need a grass roots movement globally led by the young people
and think we are fighting for the future of the planet. this is an existential crisis. we have to act how we never have acted before. saying to oil companies all over the world, stop it. we cannot allow you to destroy the planet. >> i want to ask you about another international effort to has been something. you and i have talked about it over the years. i was struck by new polling that shows that even iraq and afghanistan veterans do not believe that the iraq and afghanistan wars were worth fighting. there were not big differences between those what fought the wars. you have told me about your work on this in the past about wants to get american troops out of the conflicts. why is it so entractable? why are presidents as desperate as president obama and president trump both unable to achieve the
stated goal of getting troops home from afghanistan? >> that's a good question and before i answer it, i'm the former chairman of the veterans committee in the senate and i talked to many of the threat ve. the kind of trauma they went through is something they will never forget. they saw their friends blown up or came back without an arm or leg or with ptsd. we need political will here. we need to do everything that we can. right now not just thinking about iraq or syria, but saudi arabia and iran. not only have we lost thousands of lives, but spent $5 trillion on the war on terror. $5 trillion. our job as the most powerful country on earth is to bring
saudi arabia and iran and saying we are not fighting eternal wars. you are going to work it out, but don't think that the united states is going to get involved in never ending wars. >> on the issue of veterans, you have been a champion of medicare for all and your fellow candidates are on board with you on that. people in miami saying i'm with bernie on this. what happens to medicare? >> the va is a separate entity because veterans have unique problems so we maintain and strengthen it. >> can you stick with us? >> sure. >> we'll be right back with bernie sanders after this. >> we'll be right back with bernie sanders after this. ight- the brave, the visionaries. where challenges exist, you'll find them. at citi, we empower people who are out to change the world.
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when i asked people about having ow the show, it was the number one thing people wanted me to ask you. the issue raised by eric swalwell who dropped out of the race for president. in the debate and he directed it to vice president biden and his refrain was pass the torch. that you had your chance and have been in politic fist are a long time and we need younger leadership, making an age argument for why vice president biden shouldn't be the nominee and why you shouldn't be the nominee. you called that ageist. i wonder how you grapple with the substance of that argument. >> you know, if you look at history, there were arguments why black people and why women shouldn't be president. you have to look at the totality of the person. a lot of people who are 90 are more energetic than people who are 50. you have to look at what someone
believes and what they are fighting for and just to look at age is missing the boat in a deep way. >> he is talking about length of experience in the system. you have been in public office since before eric swalwell was born. you have been trying to make change and you need to get out of the way so that new voices can. >> do they believe in medicare for all? have they fought to raise the minimum wage and been a leader in tackling the issues and have they been on picket lines standing with working people and active in the women's and gay movement? it's not good enough to say i'm young. you have to tell me what you stand for and what your vision s. that's not a satisfactory explanation. >> senator sanders, it's great to have you here. come back soon. >> i will. >> stay with us. >> i will. >> stay with us. if you have moderate to severe psoriasis
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