you have yourself a great afternoon. the question is, is pushing for a citizenship census question almost as valuable for trump as getting one? that question from nbc's political unit within the next 72 hours the administration is expected to make two announcements that are meant to send a very clear message to undocumented immigrants and those who advocate for them. this hour the president will deliver remarks in the rose garden on his recent controversial push to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census. despite the supreme court's ruling that the administration's justification for adding that question was, quote, contrived. nbc news has learned the president will direct the commerce department to seek answers to the citizenship question through other means not through a question in the census. opponents adding to a question in the census say it would reduce the response rates from immigrants, both who are here legally and illegally.

the trump administration has already sowed such strong seeds of distrust in our government that regardless of whether or not a citizenship question appears on the next census, it's possible that an in immigrant communities people may be too scared to participate. but that's not all. immigration and customs enforcement, i.c.e. officers are scheduled to begin raids on sunday to arrest roughly 2,000 recently arrived families in ten major cities across the united states. according to "the new york times" "the raids will include collateral deportations. on that note, i want to bring in nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell at the white house. kelly, in the white house, they are talking about this announcement that the president is going to make. is he going to be dealing with census or is he going to be dealing with these i.c.e. roundups or both? >> focus will be on the citizenship issue based on our understanding of the plan for

this afternoon. and there has been a lot of closed-door meetings in the west wing. also, we have been told through our reporting the attorney general is expected to be present. i also saw secretary wilbur ross arriving moments ago for the planned event this afternoon and some members of congress who are friendly to the president including the house republican leader kevin mccarthy. so they are sort of. >> reporter: gathering the troops here. is that the president is fully committed to pursuing league means and authorities that he has to gather information about the head count in the united states of u.s. citizens and noncitizens. the big question that we are waiting to find out is what form this will take in a legal tool available to the president, some kind of executive action. will it be in some form tied to the 2020 census or will it be a separate endeavor? that's what we're trying to get at. and it is in some ways unusual

to be this close to a presidential announcement and to still have some opaque areas in the reporting here because officials do not want to get ahead of the president. we have also been told the president has made a decision, but there are real legal implications here. and part of that is the urgency of the census which is required by law. so we are waiting for the specifics. but what is certainly clear is the president in message is not going to back away from his desire to get a proper count as he would call it of those persons in the united states who are american citizens, naturalized, legal immigrants and undocumented. at the same time, how does that play into all of this? you know the controversy. there are many who believe that talking about this question including it has a chilling effect on responses. that has lots of political ramifications. can the president do this legally as it relates to the census when there is so many

court cases it's gone to the supreme court with a request for them to change their rationale. and there are other cases pending. and whatever the president does today, it is our expectation that given this climate there would be legal challenges to this. so is there a way the president can try to thread the needle by consulting with all his legal team at the justice department, those staffers at commerce who are responsible for the census and the white house team to find a way for him to get this information as one official said the american people deserve to know this information. so, we also have a rain issue where we've got the rose garden being set up with chairs for the kind of event the president likes to have with all the trappings of the office, and we've got threatening weather here in washington. so lots of things in terms of substance and content feel a little uneasy this afternoon, ali, and we are waiting for more details. >> all right, kelly, thank you. we'll come back to you when we have some of those details. while all this is being deliberated, the administration appears to be moving forward

with the i.c.e. raids that the president teased a few weeks ago. joining me on that is julia ainsley. and, again, julia, we are still plagued by the same issue where certainly former immigration officials in the united states tell us it's just weird to telegraph these sorts of raids including with the detail this administration is giving out like the cities that they're going to take place in. >> yeah. it's funny because one of the reasons we heard that they were called off in june is because of leaks. but it's actually very easy to get this information because it started with the president saying this was coming. he said millions of immigrants would be deported. now we know that number is more like 2,000. but it seems that there is a reason why the president wants this to be in the national conversation and on a very public stage. that is because it plays to his base. if you actually take the number itself, ali. let's say 2,000 immigrants are deported on sunday, which is about as high of an estimate as

we've heard. they'd be arrested and then not all of those would probably go through and be deported. that would really be less than double an average day in 2012, which was the highest year on record for deportations. and that was of course under the obama administration. if you go back to last year, 2018, an average day was 432 with some being higher, some being lower. and so 2,000, while of course it's painful for families who are ripped apart and for immigrants who are no longer part of this country, it doesn't really register very high on that richter scale. >> obviously as we get more information on these raids, we will let people know what's going on. for analysis on all of this, joining me now is eugene scott, political reporter for t"the washington post". whether it's the census question for the telegraphing of these raids, it is very, very clear that a message is going out to undocumented immigrants in this

country that we're coming for you, we will find you, we will catch you. you'll either be thrown out or you'll be put into some inhumane detention. so to the question that nbc news posed earlier, is talking about this, you know, the census citizenship question or these raids as good for trump is getting one? >> reporter: well, it's certainly a win for the president with his base because this is what he promised when he announced that he wanted to be president. he's been consistent in his support for hard-line immigration policies and even has gone as far as to introduce ideas that he didn't mention when he first launched this campaign. the challenge for the president is that when you're headed into re-election, you usually, at least historically, want to win people who did not back you the first time. and the reality is that most of the people who aren't already on the trump train aren't looking for a candidate who will implement really hard-line immigration policies. so this may not work for the president's benefit to the degree of getting a win all the

way to the election. >> all right. so this does seem to be a remarkable ability by the president to keep these issues alive, despite setbacks like the court saying to the commerce department we didn't really like the way you went about trying to get this question in the sense so come back to us with another answer. but for whatever reason and we'll know more about this when the president either speaks in the rose garden or wherever he does in the white house, his ability to keep this alive doesn't depend on meeting with success in the endeavors that he's actually trying to achieve. >> no. but it depends on having an enemy, right? and so that's why the president said that his goal for the census was blocked by obama administration judges. what he has to do is convince the supporters that he's trying to do what he told them he wanted to do. the only reason he's not able to is because of the democrats, obama judges, the mainstream media, and just people he has to fight on a regular basis to get his agenda fulfilled. he doesn't talk often about the

fact that many of the reasons why he's not able to do what he said he wants to do is because it's often illegal or just not possible or permissible or he simply does not have that power. >> now, at some point you would rely on the justice department to inform the government about those very things, light? not legal, not possible. but in this particular case we've got the attorney general william barr recommending the trump administration in light of a ruling on the citizenship question that they pursue an alternate explanation. in fact we're getting reporting that the administration may try and figure out a citizenship question not on the census. what do you know about where the justice department stands on this? because typically the justice department listens to the supreme court or at least abides by what has been ruled and then tries to find legal ways around something. >> well, i think what the justice department may wait to do is see what the president wants to do in terms of not moving forward with the

citizenship question. there's been some reporting that he's going to try to use the commerce department to get the same information that he was hoping a citizenship question on the census would have revealed. and i'm sure if it's illegal or concerning the justice department will respond to that then. but it certainly is something that people who were concerned that bill barr would just be a rubber stamp on all ideas coming from trump may be encouraged to hear. the fact that actually not everything the president wants to do is going to be backed by the justice department. >> eugene, good to see you as always. he is a washington post political reporter. with less than three weeks to go until the next debate, several 2020 contenders are out with new plans to improve policies both foreign and domestic. we are going to tick through the specifics of each of those proposals next. plus, there is a tropical storm brewing in the gulf of mexico, and it may be upgraded to a hurricane by the time it slams the louisiana coast on saturday. take a look at the rain we are seeing. coming up we're going to have a

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i'd rather not. coming up, some strong fundraising numbers this past your. south bend mayor and 2020 contender pete buttigieg has now tried to turn that momentum into grassroots supports, especially for african-american voters. he started with an 18-page plan addressing systemic racism in america which he elaborated on in an exclusive interview with my colleague, craig melvin.

>> one of the things that's become very clear in our time is if you have racist policies. >> reporter: or you have racist systems, that's actually not enough. because the harms that have been created by this inequality are intentional and they have compounded and so it's going to take intentional work to address them. i am convinced and i am saying this as an urban mayor who has been faced with various problems of racial inequality in our city and held accountable for the work we've done and the work we have yet to do in dealing with it. >> i am convinced that if we don't tackle this in my lifetime that this could unravel the whole american project in my lifetime. >> all right. joining me nbc news national political reporter josh letterman who has combed through buttigieg's plan. what's in his plan that would address sort of the deeper issues that result in income inequality and sort of wealth inequality between african-americans and the greater population? >> there is a lot in, ali.

and a lot of things that are beyond sort of the topical things that politicians talk about when they are talking about addressing racism and inequality such as the criminal justice system. pete buttigieg in this plan also talking about education, expanding opportunity, and access to college, health care, and the disparity between outcomes for people in minority communities and other communities, voting rights access, getting rid of the electoral college, reforming the criminal justice system is a part of it. and he also wants to really increase investment in small businesses that are owned by minorities. and the goal here for the buttigieg campaign is to try to show that of all of the candidates in the race including joe biden, including kamala harris and others who have a lot of support from black voters that pete buttigieg is the one to have the most comprehensive wide-ranging plan. >> of course, buttigieg is trying to capitalize on momentum

that he's had, both coming out of the debate and in fundraising. and the first quarter fundraising numbers which we are still getting from some major candidates, his haul was remarkable. $24.8 million competing with 21.5 over the same period for joe biden. 19.1 from elizabeth warren, although no big dollars going to elizabeth warren, so that's a feat of low dollars. and 12 million from harris. is there a sense with buttigieg that if he can overcome this deficit that he's got with support from african-americans that that puts him into sort of a position to be competing with the frontrunners in this race? >> yeah. i think that's the question. why is it that there is this gap between the fact that buttigieg is by far at the moment the highest-raising candidate for the last quarter and the fact that his poll numbers are not reflecting that increase in support, particularly among the minority community but also overall. and i think that what the

buttigieg campaign and his competitors are going to be looking for in the next few weeks is whether that starts to catch up, whether the combination of a really impressive fundraising haul and the policies that he's forward like this douglass plan today are able to bring him into the top tier when it comes to how voters say they plan to vote when the voting starts next year or whether he remains someone that's appealing to the donor class but struggles with the grassroots. louisiana is under a state of emergency as new orleans and much of the state braces for a continuing onslaught of rain, and possible hurricane conditions. this as tropical storm barry which is already battered parts of the area with torrential rain and flooding could develop into a hurricane by the weekend. new orleans is in the path of the storm, a storm that couldn't come at a worse time with some neighborhoods battling flash floods and almost a foot of rainfall. this may be the biggest test to

new orleans levee system since hurricane katrina in 2005. nbc's mariana atincio is in new orleans. what's the situation there? >> reporter: ali, you and i have covered these weather events for several years now all across the country. and this is usually what it looks like before the storm. it is the calm before the storm. otherwise a beautiful day here in new orleans. but do not be fooled. as you explained, all eyes are on the river's levees. in particular the mississippi river behind me because it is at an unusually high level for this point of year. and that coupled with a very early storm for this time of year, tropical storm barry could prove disastrous for the city of new orleans. i want to bring in ricky. he is the spokesman for the army corps of engineers. explain to us the importance of this gauge behind us and what you're looking at this point. >> we call that the carlton

gauge. that is what we would consider the decisionmaking location for anything to do with the river in south. wi will louisiana. we use it when you're looking all through this gauge. in this case it's also becoming a hurricane surge gauge because we are looking at a potential of up to 19 feet on the carlton gauge. >> reporter: because right now it's showing 16 feet. what are you expecting? what's the worst-case scenario here? >> so right now we are in good shape. the levees are strong. they can hold 19 feet. our system is designed between 20 and 25 feet. so 19 feet means that we should be okay. we'll be able to pass this water through. the big challenge that we have now is we know surge projections, forecasts, they do change. and we need to stay alert. we need to stay vigilant because if there is a change, then we need to respond quickly. >> reporter: thank you so much, ricky, for your insight.

we'll be checking in with you tomorrow and urging everybody to stay safe. and, ali, the governor of louisiana taking no chances here. he's already declared a state of emergency. and there are parishes like plaquemines parish, 24,000 people and parts of that are already under mandatory evacuation. >> we'll keep in close contact with you as this develops. >> coming up next, we're going to be covering the elizabeth warren who's got a brand-new plan for overhauling immigration enforcement. she's been developing this for some time. we'll be discussing it on the other side. stay with us. stay with us too many people in pain settle for a restless night's sleep. there's a better choice. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid and the 12-hour pain-relieving strength of aleve

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immigration policies. she promises to investigate the administration for abuses, quote, perpetrated during the trump era, and proposes ending this administration's travel ban, raising refugee alliances and strengthening asylum protections. she would establish independent immigration courts and ease the naturalization process. part of that includes reinstating the daca program and providing a pathway to citizenship for daca recipients. another important component is committing $1.5 billion annually in foreign aid to countries in south america designated for programs to reduce crime, poverty and violence, some key reasons migrants leave their homes in the first place. vaughn hillyard is joining me live from milwaukee. there have been a number of candidates who have been speak at this event, who will be speaking at this event. you spoke with julian castro earlier, and the center piece is his idea of decriminalizing the

act of coming across the border without authority. elizabeth warren is suggesting something similar? >> reporter: exactly. this is part of elizabeth warren's plan was she just put out here this afternoon and that she plans to roll out here this evening. other candidates though are on the same page as julian castro on on decriminalizing the act of crossing the border. that includes pete buttigieg and bernie sanders. and now it's that conversation at that first debate there in which he went toe to toe with beto o'rourke. and i want to play with you a little bit of a sound byte because joe biden believes a current law in which one individual if they do cross, it becomes a misdemeanor. on the second attempt it becomes a felony. i want you to hear a little bit of julian castro on the specific subject. >> i'm disappointed that vice president biden refuses to understand that we need to repeal section 1325 of the

immigration and nationality act. it seems like one of us has learned the lessons of the past, and one of us hasn't. and i've been very clear that it we want to end family separation, guarantee that no future administration can do it, we need to reveal section 1325. i'm just glad to see today that senator warren agrees with me. she put out her own immigration proposal. and a recent poll of democratic voters said that 75% of democratic voters agree with my position. >> there's a clear line between these candidates and here to give you an idea, this is the oldest and the largest latino civil rights organization in the country. about 20,000 folks here are expected in the milwaukee area around this conference that's been around for 90 years. here behind me there's actually a census workshop taking place right now essentially encouraging folks to not only work for the census but really be advocates in their community to make sure that everybody is represented when it comes to the

census. again, this is -- when we're talking about the census and why this question of citizenship is important is because the census is used to determine how many congressional seats come from each state. but also federal funding when it comes to medicaid, when it comes to education dollars when, it comes to highways and roads. federal funding is largely off of that. so a big emphasis is, well, there are questions over what exactly the president is going to announce 90 minutes from now. tony bonilla has been part of lulac dating back to 1960. he said he first marched down in south texas. he's from corpus christi, with cesar chavez when it came to farmworkers' rights. he said that whether it be the raids that are slated to take place this sunday or the migrant detention facilities he said that latino activists are well aware. they have been engaged and they will remain engaged despite whatever the president announces here over the next year and a

half over his first time. >> this idea, of decriminalizing, crossing the border, it is a little bit outside of even mainstream democratic thought. is that popular amongst the crowd that's with you? there are some who say this opens the road for donald trump who has continued to say that democrats don't like borders, suggesting the idea that if you cross the border, it is a misdemeanor charge. >> reporter: exactly. and it was actually former department of homeland security secretary jay johnson who just earlier this week wrote an op ed in "the washington post" in which he said this is the easiest way for folks to suggest that the democrats have an open-border policy. but julian castro and other democrats emphasize that, listen, most folks that were crossing the border, they were not being charged, they were not being criminalized up until the bush era back in the 2000s when essentially they set up what was called operation streamline. operation streamline is a way of processing, you know, anywhere from 65 to 75 migrants at one

time, essentially enrolling them into the criminal justice system. and the big issue with migrants is essential when they're coming over for a second or third time, essentially, they are going into the prison system and being held there for a long period of time. and so that's where that conversation with julian castro says let's put our resources elsewhere into actually going into violent criminals, actually putting our resources into taking care of criminal justice issues that need that money and need that attention. folks crossing over simply to be with their families is not where that focus should be, and it was not up until george w. bush administration. >> vaughn, good to talk to you as always. vaughn hillyard for us in milwaukee. stick with us tonight for "mtp daily." chuck todd is going to have brand-new wall street journal poll numbers right here on msnbc. coming up in just a few minutes president trump will host a concern social media

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represented in social media. >> i think that google and facebook and twitter, i think they treat conservatives and republicans very unfairly. i think it's a very serious problem because they're really trying to silence a very large part of this country. and those people don't want to be silenced. it's not right. it's not fair. it may not be legal. but we'll see. we just want fairness. >> the white house has not disclosed a list of summit participants. but the trump campaign says the campaign manager brad par scale who led trump's strategy during the 2016 campaign is planning to attend. and several other conservative and right-wing voices have taken to social media to announce that they will be there. they include bill mitchell, an online radio host on info wars which details a supposedly secret plot by the so-called deep state against president trump and his supporters. tim pool, a youtube personality

who pushed a conspiracy theory that democratic national committee seth rich who was killed during a robbery in washington, d.c. in 2016 leaked hacked emails to wikileaks. right-wing commentator ali alexander who recently made questions about questioning the ethnicitiy about senator kamala harris in a tweet that was re-tweeted by donald trump jr. while we know who some of the attendees are, the event is also notable for who isn't there. representatives from google, facebook, and twitter say the companies were not invited to the summit. the white house has not said why these companies weren't invited or why the event was scheduled to overlap with an annual media and tech conference being held in idaho. joining me now to have a closer look at this are nbc new's. welcome to both you. thank you for being here. ben, you tweeted earlier this

afternoon there's an intense irony in inviting youtube stars and facebook disinformation peddlers to the white house to bemoan censorship and bias when it was those sites algorithms that prized. the further irony is that the president carrying on about twitter as well, which is sort of his principal memes for getting his information out. >> exactly. these people are complaining about the fact that they were censored. they're not censored. every single person -- >> nobody there has been banned. >> in fact, the scariest part about this whole thing is these are disinformation peddlers at large i would say. there is a guy named jim hoft who four times in the first 20 months of the trump administration labeled the wrong person as the person who perpetrated a terror attack. usually it's to score political points against democrats, but he was, like, randomly listing anonymous people. this is the kind of thing that

they are trying to protect at the white house going to 2020. this allows them to create innuendo against specific candidates and parties they don't like. that sort of disinformation when uncorrect school district very harmful to democracy. >> so this is a bit like after the last election, jennifer, when we knew there was interference in the election. the president created a voter fraud commission that was sort of seemed to be disenfranchise people or, you know, we're looking at various other issues, it's a bit of a redirection campaign. whatever this meeting is, it's not actually the thing that's going to solve what are some very legitimate issues that should be discussed about social media. >> yeah. and one of the biggest issues, a lot of people will be focusing on bias in the platforms. what we need to start talking about is the president of the united states is cultivating his own media channel. nothing says that he he a right or needs to communicate to 62 million plus people on twitter. he's claiming bias.

but maybe we should say that the president of the united states should not be able to circumvent. he leverages fox news, et cetera, but they're not even at the white house. it's really these fringe actors who are amplifying. it's a way to cheat the algorithm into promote more content. what he's doing is sharing memes with misinformation because they just need to go viral. they don't need to be truthful to have reach. but it's concerning when the president of the united states is sharing this to build audience. he wants to circumvent the press. >> the fact that things that are not truthful often have better reach. >> exactly. >> jennifer, michael beckerman, the president of the internet association which represents the internet companies gave this statement ahead of the event.

internet companies depend on their users' trust from across the political spectrum to grow and succeed. on the surface of it, that statement sounds good, except that we are in a moment in time where no matter where you are on the political spectrum, you can find something to complain about with these internet companies and the social media companies in particular. they don't have the best footing right now because they haven't necessarily handled information well. >> exactly. what we have to be concerned about is transparency within the algorithm. we don't really know if there is bias to be honest. we need to be able to get some type of auditors in place to take a look at this. there's nothing saying actually that the president didn't benefit from algorithmic changes at facebook, for example. we just don't know. so we need some more regulatory action around social media to make sure these platforms red blood cells beib aren't being abused. >> when the president and his

supporters complain about anti-conservative bias on social media, do they have evidence to back up their claims? >> no. they don't have data. they will say this. like, we have these anecdotal ideas, or, whatever. or sometimes they are victims of a mishap or something involving the al go rhythm. and they bring that up. that usually get fixed. but i think this is a useful thing. i think that today all of this being framed as the same conversation they've been having saying this is a conversation about censorship and yet bringing in all of these people from the far right. the facade's gone now. this is about building a coalition of dirty tricksters on the internet to get ready for 2020, saying, hey, here's a face to a name, and this is, again, behind closed doors for most of this meeting. and then by the end of it they can come together and they can say that, oh, we actually just talked about sensorship the whole time.

but it's not about that. it's about getting disinformation out there faster than the way the president sort of approves it. >> thanks for joining me. i appreciate it. >> jennifer is a social media researcher and a professor of communications. ben collins, as you know, is our national technology reporter. coming up in 23019 foreign policy is domestic policy and domestic policy is foreign policy. that's a quote today from frontrunner joe biden. but will that be enough to help patch up a few damaging weeks on the campaign trail? we'll discuss it. >> you're watching msnbc. iabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7 and maintained it. oh! under 7? (announcer) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? (announcer) a two-year study showed that ozempic® does not increase the risk of major cardiovascular events like heart attack, stroke, or death. oh! no increased risk?

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joe biden's stressing the importance of america's need to get back into a leadership role on the global stage, something he says has been lost under the trump administration. >> his erratic policies and failures to uphold basic democratic principles have muddled our reputation and our place in the world. and i, quite frankly, believe our ability to lead the world. the world does not organize itself. and if we do not shape the norms and institutions that govern relations among nations, rest assured that some nation will step into the vacuum or no one

will, and chaos will prevail. >> strong words of former vice president also emphasized his past experience on how it enables him to get the united states back on track if given the chance to take on trump for the presidentony 2020. joining me now mike memoli who's got more to say on that. look, this is right in joe biden's wheelhouse. >> absolutely. >> and this is what a lot of americans who may or may not be enamored of donald trump are worried about that there is a leadership vacuum in the united states or in the world that has been created by a stepping back of the united states and a leadership vacuum that will either be filled by someone else. i don't know if he said who that someone else is or that will be filled by chaos. >> exactly. that was one of the points he hit the hardest. and it's interesting this was a policy speech that they called it. but in a lot of way it's was much more a statement of western values. one of the interesting attacks on donald trump and there certainly were a lot in this

speech today is this idea that the world looks to the u.s. to stand up for democratic principles and at the current time it looks like our president, president trump, is playing for the other team. and so he talked about what would be the three pillars of a joe biden presidency. he talked about first repairing and restoring our own democracy including bringing back the press briefings. the second was what he called a foreign policy for the middle class. not a lot of details especially on trade would've been interesting to hear him talk about tpp for instance. and the last part was about bringing back american leadership on the world stage. but this was much more a statement of values as i said about, and reminding democratic voters especially about what he wants this election to be about, which is a contrast between joe biden and donald trump and not necessarily some of the issues that have really dogged him in the past few weeks. >> we've done so many things in the last couple years. we've gotten out of the iran deal. we support a government in libya that is not supported by most of the rest of the free world. we are encouraging a civil war in yemen, which is devastating. we have moved the embassy to

jerusalem. joe biden talks about this stuff. but the polling doesn't indicate most americans care that much about americans' foreign policy roles. >> yeah, it's interesting to look at our own frankly. the foreign policy was not a topic that came on a lot. but i think the idea we heard him use the name obama a lot. we talk about trump administration's foreign policy simply about undoing what president obama did in his four years and that's a lot of what we heard from the vice president today, if iran comes back to the table, we would bring back the iran deal. america would go back to that. he talked about the one applause line -- one of the few applause lines, frankly, it was an academic crowd, was ending the forever wars, the saudi war in yemen. these are issues that play into his strengths and he has to translate that and explain why it matters to them. another democratic 2020 contender out on the campaign trail is new york senator kristen gillibrand. she's on a midwest bust trip that will highlight one major

theme, president trump's, quote, broken promises to voters in michigan, ohio and pennsylvania, three states crucial to the 2020 election. earlier today she held a roundtable discussion in youngstown, ohio, on rising prescription drug costs highlighting what she calls trump's add reject policy to fix them. joining us now, shaquille brewster, i hope you can talk on this bus. >> and i have a surprise, senator gillibrand just came back when she saw we were about to go live. let's talk quickly about the tour folked on president trump rather than the democratic field. why do you have that focus? >> president trump lied to the american people and this is his broken promises bus tour. when he told people they could have better health care for less money that was universal, he lied. when he told people he could

lower prescription drug prices, he lied. whether he said he would bring back jobs and make sure good manufacturing jobs stayed in america, he lied. so we just spent some time in youngstown, ohio, and talked to workers whose gm plant did send jobs away and they lost their jobs and told they had a day to decide if they wanted to move. these workers have been treated terribly, not only by their company -- and i don't blame president trump for all of these lost jobs, but what blame him for is misleading the american people that he cared because he doesn't. he can keep lining his own pockets and elite of the elite, tax breaks to the wealthiest companies in the world and donors. >> you seem to have gotten the attention of some in the trump administration saying you have the world's record for broken promises, citing your change on positions of gun control and immigration reform. what's your response to that? >> first of all, i have this humility to recognize when i'm wrong. and ten years ago i knew i needed to lead on common sense

gun reform and comprehensive immigration reform because i was representing a state as diverse as new york. and i have led on those issues for a decade. president trump is so self-centered and arrogant, he would never admit he's wrong, even when he was. he would never have the humility to listen to constituents and never have the courage to change his mind and lead from there. i've done that. i think we would rather have a president who has that courage to do so. >> you started the day in pittsburgh, and we went down to union town, about an hour south of pittsburgh, to talk to a coal miner. he's been mining for 15 years. he was a longtime democrat, flipped his vote to president trump in 2016 and is concerned when he hears democrats talking about the green new deal. he feels it threatens his job. what is your response to something like that? >> i explained to him the green new deal is just bipartisan ideas that will help the economy and his state grow. it's involved with infrastructure, more mass transit, more high-speed rail,

more rural broadband, more efficient grid, all things that will help pennsylvania. it's about green jobs. teaching young people stem subjects so they're ready to take green jobs and also investing in industries like thermal, hydro power and biofuels to create growth in those sectors. and last, clean air and clean water, something they desperately need in pennsylvania. what i would commit to as president, i would make sure we take any worker who's underemployed or unemployed p. trying to tackle climate change head on with more manufacturing jobs in the sector. why not replace coal mining with green energy manufacturing in that state, with wind turbine manufacturing, with solar power manufacturing or even with manufacturing building materials that are l.e.d. certified and helpful to tackle climate change? the truth is -- and he knows this, i'm sure -- is it's the greatest threat to humanity.

when we have the wildfires in california and droughts and tornadoes in the midwest and flooding everywhere, people are dyeing. and you have to address this challenge as the great threat to humanity it is. >> we've been looking at poll numbers. the poll numbers nationally you're stuck at 1%. some polls have you registering lower than that. is this trip about getting the attention to boost your poll numbers? >> it's more than that. because at the end of the day this is the beginning of a campaign. we've only had one debate out of ten so far. so it's just the beginning. people in ohio don't know who i am. they don't know why i'm running for president, what my background is, what i've accomplished in the last decade of public service. they don't know i come from a district a lot like their state, 2-1 republican district that has manufacturing, agriculture. and i won that district twice and the last time with 24% margin -- or 24-point margin. that's real. and i have continued to bring our state together and winning in those red places in our state. i just won back 18 counties that

went to president trump in the last election. so voters in ohio and pennsylvania and michigan are going to get to hear who i am, because i want to represent everybody. and i know i can win the red and purple places because that's what i have done in new york. >> we just left pennsylvania and they don't have their primary until april. should be focusing on iowa and new hampshire and early states 1234. >> i'm still introducing myself to voters everywhere. i don't mind who you are, where you live, who you love, i will represent you. that starts by listening, understanding what the concerns are in every community and building common sense solutions to solve those problems. these broken promises by trump are being felt by people in all 50 states. his unwillingness to take on the drug companies and get drug prices down, his unwillingness to take on insurance companies and health care is a right, not a privilege. i'm the only candidate running that has the heart to go at the rock in the center, which is money and politics.

and i have a broad-based plan to have clean elections and get rid of political corruption. >> i do want to ask you real quickly about i.c.e. you represent new york state. new york city is one of those cities where we're supposed to be seeing raids this sunday. what's your response to that? >> i think it's outrageous. president trump has no empathy, he has no concern. he's going to tear apart families. what he's doing at the border is instrumental. he's literally putting children who don't have access to clean water, to nutritious food, to a bed, clean clothes, to medicine they need and he's locking them up behind cages, literally. i mean, i don't understand how this president can turn such a blind eye to suffering. and when he begins to separate families across this country, who is he due porting, kids who are dreamers who have served in our military or in college, or is he deporting family members of our military service members who don't have the proper papers and don't have full status?

who is he deporting? and why does he want to tear apart our communities, when what he should be doing, what i would do as president, bring our communities back together with confident reform and pathway to citizenship. >> and people see the problem of illegal immigration. what would be your solution to that beyond president trump. >> i would fund border security. he hasn't done that. he supported cross border terrorism and anti-human trafficking and spent that money on for-profit prisons. i would fund border security and other homeland security. immigration and people seeking asylum should be a legal process that's humane. it should be run by the department of justice. it should have real immigration judges appointed for life and it should have lawyers assigned to families seeking asylum. i would not lock up children and parents and families in for-profit prisons. i would create a community-based asylum system where they're given lawyers and court dates and being able to be part of a community while they wait. >> thank you very much, senator gillibrand, for your time and

allowing us on your bus. you hear the main message there is targeting president trump despite the primary that we have going on. she believes this is something that helps her separate herself from the democratic field. all will i? >> shaquille, excellent interview. thank you for taking the time to share that with us. shaquille brewster is on the road with ohio senator gillibrand. a reminder, stick around for "mpt" daily. we will have brand-new poll numbers at 5:00 p.m. eastern. we're moments away from the closing bell on what has been another milestone day on wall street. the dow passing the 27,000 mark for the fist time. let's take a look at the big board right now. we're .8% higher. it looks like markets will close at or near session highs right now. .8% higher, 213 points, buoyed over the past couple of days by strong indications from the

federal reserve chair jerome powell the central bank will cut interest rates at its next meeting late they are month. that wraps up this hour for me. i'm not done for the day. i will be back here at the 11:00 p.m. for "the 11th hour" and tomorrow 1:00 and 3:00 p.m. eastern. you can find me on social media, twitter, which is working again, facebook, instagram and snapchat and linkedin. thank you for watching. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york, and what would represent a total capitulation from the legal strategy, donald trump has embraced since the supreme court told him it was a no go to add a citizenship to the census, the white house today signaling that they'll find another way to achieve his goals. goals nancy pelosi describes as racist. >> for a very long time we have been fighting a fight on the census. you know, make america -- the hat, make america white again. tht