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to perform sex acts on a man over the age of 50. >> i don't know how dear a friend she was to many people. i think she was a dear friend and possibly employee with epstein, many people who had been photographed with her, seen her at parties over the years, knew her as a casual acquaintance, but didn't know the whole truth. >> the kind of people you call your good friend because you think they're good connected until you find out how good connected they are. thank you for your reporting. we're out of time. morgan radford picks up our coverage for the next hour. >> you have a busy hour. >> we took a little of your time, we apologize. >> it's wonderful. thank you so much. good afternoon, i'm morgan radford in this afternoon for katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. out west, and 2:00 p.m. in the east. we begin with breaking news from washington where president trump launched into a lengthy defense of his inflammatory tweets directed towards the squad at a white house event meant to tell
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american made products. he took aim at democratic congresswomen of color, including alexandria ocasio-cortez, ilhan oman, ayanna pressley. all of whom are u.s. citizens to quote go back to their home countries. the president accused the women of foul language, racist hatred, and horrible and disgusting actions, here he was not only doubling down on those actions but taking them a whole lot further. >> that's what i said in a tweet, some people think is controversial. a lot of people love it, by the way. if you're not happy in the u.s., if you're complaining all the time, very simply, you can leave, you can leave right now. speaker pelosi said make america white again, let me tell you, that's a very racist statement. i'm surprised she'd say that. if they want to leave, they can leave, john.
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i look at omar, i don't know, i neva never met her. when i think of america, huh, when i think of al qaeda, i can hold my chest out. these are people in my opinion hate our country. these are people -- quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet. quiet. these are people that if they don't like it here, they can leave. and i'd be, i don't know who's going to miss them, i guess some people will. >> those representatives in question pushed back forcefully against the president's comments, accusing him of racism and arguing that his language echoes white nationalist rhetoric. congresswoman ocasio-cortez condemned the president for what she believes is a lack of positive vision for america. >> it's unfortunate that he feels the way he feels about people of color in this country. it's unfortunate the way he feels about immigrants,
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naturalized citizens or not in this country. he relies on racism, division, and anti-immigrant sentiment to consolidate power because he does not have a positive vision for the future of america. >> there has been near total silence from republican congressional leadership. only a handful of the rank and file have critiqued the president's language, and one ally, senator lindsay grey grah took his own turn attacking the women, and saying the president should aim higher. >> aoc, they hate israel, they hate our own country. they call the guards along the border, concentration camp guards. they accuse people who support israel of doing it for the benjamins, they're anti-ssemiti. aim higher, we don't need to know about them.
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>> why does president trump keep finding himself embroiled in this controversy about race. nbc white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell, new york white house correspondent and msnbc contributor, annie carney, democratic strategist and l lecturer, and kelly, you just had a rather testy exchange with the president, and we rarely see him this heated there on the south lawn. did the length and really the tenor of his comments come as a surprise to you. >> reporter: certainly the president had to know questions related to his tweets would come up and we had one exchange with him, in close proximity was he asked were his tweets racist, he said, no, not at all. we had a little bit of a conversation, then he carried on with his event and the clips you played there were from his event, unrelated in topic, and we're now 50 yards away from the
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president. he throws it open to questions. just in terms of the structure, you're then forced to yell the question. my question to him was, after he had said he does not believe his tweets were racist, are you comfortable with people think they are racist, and he kept giving me the be quiet, be quiet, be kwooquiet, again when asked for questions. that was certainly tense. the president did not back down in any way, doubled or quadrupled down in the argument, if there are critics of the united states, even members of congress who he concedes are u.s. citizens as they would have to be, if they're not happy they should go to another country. he does not accept that that kind of language is viewed very offensively and is widely called racist. now, in the last few minutes, one of the republican leaders in the house, steve scalise said this is something they're going to need to talk about more. as you pointed out, there have only been a few republicans who
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have been critical of this. this was a hot day on the south lawn but the questions were hot. clearly the president knew these were coming. he also had an audience of people who were invited to participate in the event of the day and so he had supporters nearby. and at times got some positive reaction from them as he was explaining this. but the president is resistant to any sessiuggestion that his criticism could be viewed as racist. he flat out rejects that, and the association he residejects. in the opening clip, where he said, speaker pelosi said make america white again, she said, the house speaker said she believes the president is trying to do that, not nancy pelosi saying that herself, and he reacted to that. the president sets up these exchanges, these are not carefully planned interviews, you've got to shout at him and he pushes back and today knowing it was a controversial topic, he
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dug in and really almost tried to make a case that his supporters think he did just the right thing. >> it was interesting, kelly, i mean, by my count, i'm at about four republicans who have spoken out, annie, let's turn to you, why aren't we hearing more from congressional republicans? >> well, what is the we haven't seen any negative effects on them. we've only seen negative effects of breaking with trump, amash and others, there's only been, like there's no room for them to break with trump, and we saw that, this is kind of first flare up like this over a question of whether or not what the president says is racist, and they see no political benefit to breaking with him here. we're seeing the same thing inside the white house. if you think back to another big moment of the white house wrestling with questions of
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racism, where we heard internally, aides like gary cohen, trump's top economic adviser were pained by the rhetoric and thought about resigning. they didn't, let's just be clear, but there was angst inside the white house, and today, he said i'm not touching it. it's not my lane. we have heard mark short, the vice president's chief of staff defend the president saying his intent wasn't racist and we haven't heard much else in terms of second guessing or concern coming from the white house or from the hill from republicans. >> which is interesting annie, because one thing the president did say today that was very true was that a lot of people do agree with him. basil, he says that people understand what i said wasn't racist and a lot of his base agrees, a lot of his base thinks what he said is just his freedom of expression and the left is making much adieu about nothing, for his base, the people who have looked at the other troubling and concerning things he said on this very topic. is this one going to be any
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different? >> no. and let me be very clear of this. what he said reminds me of what i might hear out of a klan rally. the same president that started the birther movement, the same racism. if you were silent then, you created the situation that you're either having a problem dealing with now or refuse to talk about right now. you are complicit in it. if you're a democrat that held your nose to vote for hillary clinton or ran gagainst the pary or said we should take the president figuratively and literally, you can't be my ally. i don't have a problem with constructive criticism. what i do have a problem with is if we allow a person like this to actually stay in office. any democrat running right now on the worst day is better than donald trump on his best day, and just very briefly, the type of racism that he is using from his pulpit is mirrored in
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institutions across this country, in office spaces, in overt racism and in micro aggressions, and if you want to be an ally of community of color or the black community, you have to stand up every single time something like this happens, not just when it's in your face like this. so i don't expect anybody from his base or republicans that have saddled next to him to come out forcefully against him. that should tell us something. >> as a reporter in vegas, i want your opinion on this, this does feel differently. i don't know if we can call this a dog whistle. i feel like he did say pretty overtly, especially when he doubled down on the south lawn what he was thinking and what he meant. does the texture of this feel different and walk us through the context of saying go back home. >> i don't think it feels that different because he's been saying these things since the very beginning. he's a racist, we have known for a long time that he is a racist. go back to where you came from, it's peak racism, it's, you
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know, the original form of racism. he's been on this thing for a long time. a lot of the stuff, like basil mentioned, i have been to rallies that they say these things. he believes the policies he's trying to implement, it's been said to me at gnat see barbecues and klan rallies, these are the things they wanted to happen. >> you have experience, what does rhetoric do for that subset of the population. >> obviously they love it. these are the things they have wanted for a long time. i have had knneo-nazis, matthew hinbeck, he told me the president goes too far sometimes. that donald trump is more racist than him. we're at point where trump is more racist than neo-nazis. >> to be clear, the president says he is not a racist, and we have to acknowledge the fact that his base does not believe
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fundamentally that these things are racist, when nancy pelosi says make america white again, it feels like he's saying you cried uncle first, you brought race up first, is it actually hurting the democratic base by associating now with people who support them and calling them racist overtly. >> i don't think it's doing anything to any base. this clearly isn't hurting trump with his base because they're fine with it, like basil said f you're supporting trump, you are a racist at this point. i'm not afraid to say it and no one should be. >> who is the arbiter of what is authentically american in this country. if it's donald trump, it should be donald trump is old white men, and people of color we do not like. number two, there are all these questions about identity politics and i think that's part of what you're asking that democrats are often accused of engaging in identity politics and the truth is that's only a bad thing when a lot of people
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view it as being about black and brown and lgbtq. we all deal with it, whether you're a farmer, a veteran, we all vote and live according to our lived experiences. it's only problematic when people talk about it in context of race. so why not engage that. it only matters, and it's only bad when someone is saying that your lived experience is not as authentic and not as valid as mine. and that's where donald trump is right now. he's saying that i don't care how you came here, just go back if you don't like what we're doing, go back to where you came from. >> which we know the criticism is fundamentally american. it's the principle upon which this country was founded. we just got a statement here from tim scott, the african-american center from south carolina, take a look at this. he says no matter our political disagreements, aiming for the lowest common denominator will only divide our nation further, any full statement below. i also want to turn to you
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because we heard something interesting. we heard vice president pence's chief of staff. he said this in trump's defense. take a listen. how is it not racist to tell women of color to go back to their countries when most of them were born here anyway and they're all u.s. citizens? >> he has an asian woman of color in his cabinet who came to the united states. >> what does that have to do with it -- >> i'm making a case. this is not a universal statement he's making. he's making it about the individual member of congress that i think has said most of the things she's most unhappy about with the united states of america. >> is this the defense we should expect from the white house going forward, that the president can't make a racist statement because elaine chao is in his cabinet? >> i think it's partly a defense, and it's notable that the one woman of color in the cabinet that he points to also
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happens to be married to the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, she's an aberration. i think what he's doing more than defending the president against charges of racism is trying to sort of change the conversation and make it directly about omar who they, the republicans, see as her poll numbers are very low in the states they need to win in 2020. they think she's a really controversial figure within the democratic party, and i heard some republicans say to me today that having nancy pelosi have to embrace omar could be a political win for them. so i think what mark short is doing there is sort of focussing on the specificity of trump's attacks, even on the four on mar, they see her as a hot rod politician with low poll numbers who a lot of people will tolerate criticism of rather than engaging in the global
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conversation about whether or not trump is racist. that's what he's doing instead of saying elaine chao is in the cabinet and therefore not racist. it's a weak argument. >> thank you for your reporting, and thank you for your analysis. still ahead, we are live outside a new york city court where attorneys for sex offender jeffrey epstein ask that he be released to his posh manhattan townhouse pending trial. two accusers with were in court the judge to stop that from happening. the 2020 front runner takes aim at medicare for all. will it come at a political price or are most voters with him. right after this break, the president fends off questions about this weekend's planned i.c.e. raids and whether they failed to materialize. stay with us. whether they failed to materialize. stay with us i switched to liberty mutual,
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many many were taken out on sunday, you just didn't know about it. in fact, i spoke to the head of i.c.e. i spoke a couple of people. we had many people. it was a very successful day because you didn't see a lot of it because it was done, a lot, you'll speak to them. i'm not sure they should be telling you but it was a lot. >> that was the president pushing back on reports that nationwide i.c.e. raids failed to materialize. meanwhile, the latest attempt to
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curb asylum rests in the united states, they will end protections for many migrants, the changes say if an asylum seeker passes through another country on the way to the united states, they must first seek asylum there. central american migrants will have to seek asylum in mexico before crossing the border into the u.s. we have nbc news correspondent julia ainsley, and the executive director of the nyclu, donna lieberman. what can you tell me about the i.c.e. rauids that did take plae yesterday? >> it was a handful. even though we don't have an exact number, it's hard to square with what the president said, many many were rounded up. it seems like it was a normal day for i.c.e., if you think back last year, an average day would have been about 430 arrests by i.c.e., and then all the way back to 2012, the highest year on record for
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deportations under president obama, they averaged over 1,000 arrests per day. there's nothing about sunday that indicates that i.c.e. arrested more immigrants than usual. i don't think they were anywhere near their 1,000 number. some of the reasons for that, they say that immigrants were prepared and so they decided to draw down the numbers, the targeted goals, and it just seems that this was something, you know, a lot of immigrants that were on their list of 2000, actually didn't qualify for. they could appeal. they could have another chance in front of a judge. their lawyers could get involved. they basically decided to dwindle down that list as time came and the operation became far smaller. but of course the impact in the immigrant communities, the fear, that was real. >> that talk about that impact because you work with migrant communities in new york. what did you see especially when it comes to raids or arrests. what did crow see over the weekend -- did you see over the weekend. >> well, there was actually
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nothing normal about the climate in new york over the weekend, even though the raids did not pan out as threatened, and what wasn't normal was the climate of fear and the intentional intimidation and traumatization of kids, parents and entire immigrant communities about what was about to happen or what might happen or what the president was threatening would happen and that intentional trauma, to young people, to kids is really something that we can't gloss over. that's lifelong harm, which kids and people may never get over. you know, the new york civil liberties union and the aclu of southern california last week filed a preemptive lawsuit against the administration to try to prevent them from
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rounding up thousands of immigrants and summarily deporting them without giving them their day in court. that's our effort to fore stall the mass deportations that the administration has threatened. >> and i think it's important you mentioned this climate of fear because that's not just a climate of fear among immigrant communities. there were citizens who were black and brown, and carrying their pass worts because they were afraid -- passports because they were afraid of being stopped. we need to talk about the new asylum rule. would this effectively end asylum as we know it. >> these are not people who can afford to buy a plane ticket and land in one of our airports, live here, get a lawyer and a file for what we could call affirmative asylum. these are people who present themselves at the border, often times they are lining up just as donald trump has said he wants them to do, to go through legal ports of entry and declare
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themselves and to seek asylum which is an international right, and they have the right to do that. instead, just for the mere act of passing through mexico, they would be told they have to apply for asylum there. mexico denies 75% of asylum claims and sometimes it's hard to get access to that system in the first place. there are far fewer lawyers there who could help an immigrant through that process and frankly, it would never pass the test, at least as it stands now, being a safe third party country which is what the un would have to sign off on. that's the kind of agreement we had with canada. if someone comes through canada to the united states, you say we need to apply and canada first. this is a unilateral action where the united states has said if you come through anywhere, it doesn't matter if we have an agreement through that country or if it's been signed off on by the international community. we decided we're going to do that. i think what that spells for us is a day in court for the trump nr . >> it's an already complicated
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system. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. a quick programming note, congresswoman ilhan omar will join rachel maddow, right here on msnbc. with his party leaning more and more to the left, joe biden looks to bring the base back to the middle, at least on the issues of health care. his plan versus medicare for all coming up next. dicare for all coming up next let's see, aleve is proven better on pain than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this? i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain.
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wnch democratic front runner joe biden is unveiling a plan that would build on president obama's signature achievement. biden's plan would preserve the ac a's most popular parts and then add to it a new government run public insurance option. >> i believe we have to protect and build on obamacare. that's why i proposed adding a public option as the best way to lower cost and cover everyone. i understand the appeal of medicare for all, but folks supporting it should be clear
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that it means getting rid of obamacare, and i'm not for that. >> this is notable because biden's embrace of obamacare strikes a contrast with his democratic opponentins, most of whom support medicare for all plans. joining me from iowa, garrett haake. tell me more about vice president biden's plan. what are the details. >> reporter: the vice president starts with the skeleton of aca and builds on top of it. you mentioned that public option here, the idea would be for folks that are unhappy with their current plan or who don't have coverage at all, they could buy into a plan that would be like medicare. this is something democrats tried to include in 2009 and 2010. couldn't get it through the senate as part of the original obamacare plan. there's changes to make health care more affordable, who could get tax plans through the exchanges and provide more generous subsidies and to allow people who are in states like
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texas, for example, that have not expanded medicaid to get into that medicare like public option, you would otherwise be eligible for medicaid. there's a lot to build on here, but of course it does not go as far as medicare for all, which a lot of the former vice president's other poenopponents pushing in the primary. there's some political cost there. >> this does draw a sharp line in the sand between biden and his opponents, especially bernie sanders. is the biden camp at all concerned that this fight is going to alienate that more progressive base? >> reporter: look, this is the major issue fight of the democratic party right now. the polling is interesting. on the one hand, general election polling when you look at all voters, folks are slightly more in favor of vice president's approach, that is to say keeping the affordable care act and building on it, they oppose by a small degree the idea of a medicare for all program, but in a democratic primary when you talk just to democratic primary voters the idea of a single government run
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single payer system is more popular. as you look at the field right now, you have joe biden, beto o'rourke, amy klobuchar who support a system like this, pete buttigieg, i should add, a medicare for those who should want it, and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren on the other side of it. this will be an ongoing fight in this primary. >> garrett headachaake joining m des moines, iowa. and former aide to jeb bush and mitt romney, matt gorman, and former senior adviser to hillary clinton's campaign, and msnbc contributor, adrian elrod. is this a calculated risk because most of the candidates have advocated for a medicare for all plan. you remember at the first democratic debate, all of the candidates raised their hands when they were asked if they supported health care for all. is biden insistence on saving obamacare what he does need. >> it's a calculated risk but he
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doesn't have much of an option. vice president biden was one of the chief architects of obamacare, he helped usher this through congress. he helped pass it into law. it's very difficult for him to go back, you know, eight years later and say never mind, i'm actually supporting medicare for all. i want to completely scratch obamacare and start from zero. at the same time, morgan, it's also important to keep in mind that when democratic party voters look at the fact that medicare for all, which is overwhelmingly popular, i think about 75% of democratic party voters support it, but when you get into the weeds and realize that you would lose your private health care insurance under medicare for all, the popularity drops dramatically, i think vice president biden is not just taking -- to an extent he's taking a risk but also saying you know what, for those of you who want to keep your private insurance, i'm going to let you do that, and i'm going to make the fixes to obamacare that congress has failed to do since it was instituted into law. >> the risk, could it pay off on
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the other side, matt, because biden is rejecting the most liberal of positions on health care but is embracing the existing one, leaving the door open for a public option. is that something that conservative voters might be able to get behind? >> i think it's going to be a risk, certainly in the general election and as adrian points out, he risks the wrath of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders in the primary. i think he might fall into two traps. he famously mocked rudy giuliani in 2008, saying everything was a noun, a verb. >> it's important to remember that barack obama endorsed medicare for all last year. i understand it's a bit of a rhetorical trick saying he wants to protect obamacare, it's hard for someone running in a democratic primary to say they oppose obamacare but he's certainly not as far left as elizabeth war skpn he needs to be careful. it's very very early -- warren. he needs to be careful.
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if he gets pulled left, he risks looking like kamala harris and seeming not authentic. >> you mentioned harris, let's talk about the democratic field, fundraising the second quarter. it's deadline day. can we assume that those who aren't released their fundraising, don't have good news to share, and before you answer, some candidates who aren't released their q2 fundraising, we have seen booker, delaney, we're waiting for all of these people to release those numbers. what does that tell snus. >> you released the words out of my mouth. if you have not released your report, you probably don't have great news to share. of course mayor pete, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, kamala harris, joe biden, coming out, you know, pretty strong in this quarter, but if you have not released your numbers at this point, it's probably not good news. i'm intrigued and interested to know where beto o'rourke comes down on this.
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he had a great q1, the fact that he has not reeleased his number or framework. right after the second debate, i raised x amount of dollars. we haven't heard that from him. the real question is has he raised enough money to make his candidacy viable going forward. >> we just got as you were speaking, we got word that julian castro said he raised 2.8 million in the second quarter. matt, i want to give you the last word, though, speaking of the other side, trump might be trailing democrats in the polls right now, but he and the rnc say they have raised $105 million in the second quarter and that's far more money than he had the first time around, so what do you think, matt, is fuelling this boost right now? >> i think it's important to announce the debates in the democratic side rev up republican fundraising and the trump and rnc number is staggering and it's important to point out, unlike the democrats, he doesn't have to spend that money to win the nomination, and that's just simply an advantage
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of incumbency. when i worked for mitt romney, that was an obvious advantage brau barack obama and mayor pete, his number is staggering, outraising vice president biden and bernie sanders, this is going to allow him to build a robust operation in the early states that he needs to. he's staffing up. i think he's over 200 staff already. it's an incredible amount, especially for someone who's the mayor of south bend, indiana, and came into this race with no major donors, and no big e-mail lists. >> it's still early in the game, matt. matt gorman, adrienne elrod, thank you for joining us. attorneys for registered sex offender, jeffrey epstein asked a judge to release him on bail to await trial in his posh manhattan mansion. then two of his accusers spoke out. that's coming up next. f his acce out. that's coming up next. ♪ corey is living with metastatic breast cancer,
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it's also where prosecutors say investigators just discovered a vast trove of lewd photographs. that's of young looking women or girls. they also found cash, diamonds and an expires passport with epstein's picture under a different name. joining me now, nbc news investigations reporter, tom winter and legal analyst lisa green. what exactly did epstein's accusers say today in court? >> reporter: yeah, that was the new information today and something that we hasn't necessarily thought we would hear from them prior to the hearing today. they're entitled to speak at the bail hearing: two alleged victims came forward. one said it was a nexus new york, the first time we heard from a victim, outside of savannah guthrie's interview. she was 16 years old when that happened. a different victim, courtney wilde who's very important to the totality of this case because she's the jane doe,
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morgan who was behind the lawsuit that led to the judge in miami in february saying that alex acosta's office violated the law, not notifying the victims there was an agreement, and told the victims there was a chance that jeffrey epstein will be prosecuted when they well knew he had already signed that nonprosecution agreement. courtney wilde told the court today that jeffrey epstein is a scary person, somebody who should not be on the streets and was very definitive, both of them saying this is not somebody who should have the opportunity to be out pending his possible upcoming trial, so that was a bit of a surprise and a new piece of information to have both of those victims come forward today. >> tom, just very briefly, i'm concerned about this passport they said they found that had his photo under a different name. what can you tell us about that, and even the other items they found inside his house. >> >> reporter: right. that was also a new piece of
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information. when they searched his house a week ago saturday after his arrest, they found a safe that was locked, and according to prosecutors they just became aware of this information this morning, you know, it takes time to sort through the evidence and everything that they take when they do one of these search warrants and they say inside of that they found quote piles of cash. in addition to that, they found die no diamonds and they had a passport. it had jeffrey epstein's picture on it, but had a different name on it, and said his residence was something different. it confounded prosecutors and got everybody's attention. >> you mentioned the bail hearing, lisa, what's next because epstein's lawyers say he is entitled to bail, they recommended surveillance cameras, electronic monitoring, is he actually likely to get that bail? >> we'll find out on thursday when judge berman rules. by the way, he's a licensed clinical social worker in addition to being a judge, not a good fact for epstein's lawyers. the government, kexcoriated tha
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idea. anybody kwhowho's accused of a offense against children, there's a presumption he's a flight risk. it's unlikely the judge, didn't seem to have a lot of sympathy argument that he couldn't be protected in a fair way in prison. >> and tell me what does this case mean, though, when we talk about the rights of young women, of young girls, this case has been heard around the world, what does it mean, what are people taking away from it. >> what the prosecution wants to show, there's a fairer playing field, if you feel you have been victimized as a young person with a sex offense, they have a hot line where they're getting tips and also today, what we saw is the victim rights act at work. the very first provision of that law passed in 2004 says that victims have a right of reasonable protection against someone accused of a crime, and that's why we heard the two victims speaking out today and
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the judge is definitely taking that into account. we saw that right exercised. it's at work right now, 21st century laws, hopefully changing the playing field a little bit so that victims get what they deserved. >> lisa green, tom winter, thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. >> our pleasure. government workers across two agencies, ordered to uproot their lives from d.c. to kansas city within just weeks or lose their jobs. why they believe it could be an effort to silence them and their research, coming up next. e themr research, coming up next hmm. exactly.
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employees have to make a huge decision today. either pick up and move to kansas city or be fired. it's a controversial move by the who us that some employees say is meant to silence economic research that the president simply doesn't like. warning that this may only be the beginning. for laura dotson, the news came out of the blue. >> it was like a bomb went off. >> reporter: more than 500 of remember co-workers were told to decide in just 30 days whether they will move a thousand miles from home to kansas city or lose their job. >> how many of your colleagues are actually going to move, and how many of them have just decided i'm going to quit? >> the union did an informal survey, and we found that in ers, attrition rate could be as high as 100% in certain branches. >> reporter: so 100% of employees in some of your departments could actually just quit? >> exactly.
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>> reporter: dotson is one of just a handful of people who will be able to stay in d.c. she studies agriculture as an economist for the income research service, one of two agencies that the trump administration has decided to relocate, claiming it will save taxpayers money. but some employees say there is a different motive. >> they know it's a fig leaf. their real motivation is to advice rate this agency. >> reporter: one researcher spoke with us only on the condition of anonymity. he fears speaking out would be detrimental as he searches for another federal job. >> reporter: why do you think this is happening now? >> i think that this administration doesn't want to hear nonpartisan facts and analysis that cut counter to their plans and their narrative. >> reporter: like what? what could be inconvenient about your research? >> some colleagues of mine came out of the impact of the recent
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tax reform. there was stuff about the impact of the current trade war. there's impact about stuff of food assistance which cut counter to the administration's priorities to attach work requirements. >> reporter: do you believe the trump administration when it says that, look, we are just trying to move you so that you could be closer to the farmers you're studying? >> i don't need to be near a corn field to study agriculture policy, number one. number two, if they were operating in good faith and thought that moving us was the best way to achieve our mission at a lower cost, they would do this over the course of years. >> reporter: in a press release, said we did not take these relocations lightly, and we are doing it to enhance long-term sustainability and success of these agencies. but these employees warn this could just be the beginning. is this a symptom of a larger issue? does this stop with your agency or do you think this is going to affect other agencies? >> what we're afraid of is that this might be a blueprint for dismantling a federal agency. >> reporter: sounding the alarm from washington to the
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heartland. we've reached out to the agriculture secretary multiple times for comment on this story, and we haven't heard back. as for what happens next, the employees have sent dozens of letters to the administration requesting more time to make a decision, and so far nothing. those employees who do decide to move have until september 30th to do so. today is the deadline for the 2020 democrats to file their second-quarter fundraising numbers and we've heard from julian castro. he just said that he got his numbers in 2.8 million. we've also heard from kirsten gillibrand. more than one million people say it's say to restore one of america's most secretive sites because one more thing is coming up next. up next. ♪ ♪
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and one more thing before we go. >> in case you haven't heard, there's a movement on facebook to storm area 51 in september. yes, that area 51. it's a top secret government site in the nevada desert that's breathed life into conspiracy theories about extra terrestrial life since the 1950s. well, just a few short days ago, a popular video gamestreamer voekingly created a facebook group encouragingly people to storm 51 on september 20th. the mission to end decades of curiosity and finally find out what lies inside that secret base. well, the creator writing they can't stop us all.
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again, guys a joke, but the response certainly not. dare i say the outpour has been out of this world support? some 1 million people from across the globe say they plan to attend the storming of area 51 and then another 900,000 say they're interested in going. so what happens if a mob of alien enthusiasts descends on the desert, and then storms the gate? well, the air force say it's would discourage anyone from trying and that it stands ready to protect exherk its assets. the facebook group's founder is making it very clear that this was all just for fun saying i do not actually intend to go ahead with this plan. i just thought it would be funny. so seriously, folks, avoid the heat, stay home, get your alien fix by watching et or maybe even independence day, my personal favorite. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. my friend ali velshi is here to take things from here. >> thank you, friend. you have a great afternoon. great to see you in person.
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it's monday, july 15th. president trump insists his twitter attacks against women of color are not racist. >> if you hate our country, if you're not happy here, you can leave. and that's what i say all the time. that's what i said in a tweet which i guess some people think is controversial. a lot of people love it by the way. if you're not happy in the u.s., if you're complaining all the time, very simply you can leave. these are people that hate our country. hey, john, they hate our country. they hate it, i think, with a passion. >> are you okay with people -- >> quiet. >> thinking your tweets are racist, sir? >> quiet. these are people that if they don't -- >> i'm asking a question. >> -- that if they don't like it here, they can leave. and i don't know who's going to miss them, but i guess some people will. >> i'll miss you if critics of this country were to leave. his attacks are


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