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comments the president made about the four freshman congresswomen and the reaction and lack thereof for some. and the newly uncovered video from the nbc archives that shows trump and epstein partying and leering at women, looking at them and talking. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you so much, mika. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. you ready? just when you thought you saw it all, the government gives us something new, and not in a good way. the house ruled to condemn the president's twitter talks on our different lawmakers. the president praises it. why? the president has made it very clear he will take the political hit if it means successfully forcing democrats to defend the
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congresswomen that president trump described as anti-american. democrats did, indeed, defend them, but because the resolution used the term "racist," republicans seized the opportunity to complain about decorum rather than having to answer for the president's comments directly. watch this. >> this institution, democratic and republican, should join us in condemning the president's racist tweets. >> we shouldn't get into personality conflicts on this floor. we shouldn't be trying to accuse people of one thing or another disparagingly on this floor. >> there is racism coming out of the white house. >> i know there is frustration in this body. but it is our duty to focus not on retribution but to building a more perfect union. >> i know racism when i feel it. and at the highest level of government, there is no room for
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racism. >> in the end, speaker pelosi was found to have broken the house rules, but the measure passed. the first house resolution to condemn a u.s. president in more than 100 years. but the vote was split, 240 to 187, with only four republicans and one independent voting for it. and that, according to the president, was enough for him to declare victory. let's bring in nbc's peter alexander at the white house, kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. peter, the president, what is he saying today? >> reporter: we're going to see the president a little later today when he heads off to north carolina where he hosts another "make america great again" rally. it's possible the four liberal congresswomen will come up in his comments there. but we're hearing from the president this morning on twitter. you saw him overnight praising the fact that almost all the republicans stuck with him in yesterday's vote, just four of them supporting the democrats on this resolution, notably one of
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those from indiana, susan brooks, is retiring. here's the president's tweet from early this morning, trying to make this about policy, the issues here. the democrats in congress, he says, are getting nothing done, not on drug pricing, not on immigration, not on infrastructure, not on nothing. so much opportunity, yet all they want to do is go fishing. the american people are tired of the never-ending witch hunt. they want results now. notable that he uses the phrase "witch hunt" there given the fact it is one week from today that the former special counsel robert mueller will be testifying before congress on capitol hill. for the president, stephanie, make no mistake, this really is a calculated strategy. his effort -- in the past we've seen republicans sort of make nancy pelosi the villain. here he's trying to tie these four liberal minority freshmen congresswomen to pelosi, make them the face of the democratic party. it's an us versus them strategy heading into 2020. for the moment, of course, he doesn't have an opponent on the
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democratic side, so by making these women sort of amplifying his message about them, he's hoping to get this message across to his base, to energize them and what he knows, according to his allies, is another narrow path to victory in 2020. steph? >> well, he got everyone talking about those four freshmen all week long. kelly, one thing we heard yesterday. so many members of the house seeming exhausted, saying they want to get back to doing business and serving the american people. any chance, after what went down last night, that's going to happen? >> reporter: i think that's a genuine feeling among many lawmakers in both parties, that they don't want to be sidetracked by all of this, but here's the reality of what we're in. now part of what we have to look at is how does this affect the ability to get things done going forward? in part, nancy pelosi, who is a two-time speaker and an institutionalist, it would be unthinkable that she would be found violating the rules. but she did so strategically,
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given the circumstances, and, in effect, she is now more powerful. she stood up to the president in a way that put herself at some peril, did so on behalf of the four women congressmen and the whole democratic side, and that likely gives more of the strength and unity she so frequently talks about for them to try to do things legislatively. she was able to get a few republicans to peel off, a small number, but that's more than we've seen on other matters, like the impeachment inquiry, for example. on real policy and real things, that's still a challenge, although there are some must-dos that congress will likely handle, dealing with the debt ceiling and dealing with budgets. it is possible they can do two things in separate tracks, have these political fights and try to accomplish a few things. but accomplishment is not really the domain of congress in our modern era to everyone's frustration. and the real test now is who comes out stronger, the
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president or the speaker, and i think there is an argument to be made that speaker pelosi, in taking a chance, taking some hits, may have strengthened her leadership. steph? >> thank you, kelly o'donnell, peter alexander. we know what is happening. now we need to understand what it all means. let's go deeper. jeff mason, reuters, white house correspondent, jason, carlos korbella, and report either for the kansas city star, and editor for indianapolis monthly. weigh the political damage of the house action and all that's been brought up this week. we're talking birtherism again, we're talking s-hole countries. all the things that caused the president to be called a racist. weigh that against the advancement the president has tried to make now making the
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squad the face of the democratic party. >> it's a great question. the first part of my answer to that would be to talk about the reuters poll that came out last night saying his approval went up with republicans after the comments that he made about the four congresswomen. we always say this is going to help him with his base or he's reaching out to his base. there is polling to suggest that it is absolutely helping him with his base, and that's something the president will notice. i think that tonight when he speaks at his rally, you will hear him focus on it again. he just suggested in a tweet he has a lot to talk about tonight in regards to the economy, but also referencing this controversy the last few days. it has given him coverage, it has made him look good in the face of racism. as you say, the comments he's made before he was president and after. but it has given him a boost
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with people who support him already. >> he always gets negative news coverage. why is it so many republicans are united in defending the president? is it you look at those poll numbers, and they go up? are constituents, all those members of the gop, saying they, too, share these values that the president puts forward? >> it's the nature of our politics these days, stephanie, and it's unfortunate. we have about 40% of the country that's firmly with the president that's going to excuse just about anything he does, another 40% that rejects everything about the president. it's that 20% that's going to decide in 2020 if this president gets to continue for another four years, or if we will have someone else. our politics have become very tribal. we saw that on the house floor yesterday with all democrats voting together and almost all republicans voting together. congress is a miserable place these days. a lot of my friends who are still there call me and tell me be glad that you aren't here. we really need a political
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renaissance in our country, and this last episode is just another reminder of that. >> jason, i want to play part of what members of the squad, those four freshman congresswomen said on cbs earlier today. >> we're an extension of a movement in our country that wants medicare for all, that wants us to have mass incarceration, that wants us to push back against the people of color. >> we are an instruction to business as usual that's been washington. we were elected for that purpose. >> okay. the president has said he wants to make these four women the face of the democratic party. is he successful in doing so? a week ago nancy pelosi giving an exclusive to maureen dowd, minimizing the squad saying they're just four votes. you have them rolling out a health care plan that is obamacare 2.0 that is not medicare for all. yet all day, every day, it's
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these four women. >> well, stephanie, the reality is that the republican party was going to demonize the democrats, anyway. it didn't matter if it was these four members of congress. it didn't matter if it was talking about obama or hillary clinton. the republican party's message, primarily under president trump, is the nation is being overcome by gay people, brown people, hispanics and muslims, and you need to stop them because i'm a white man and that's what i'm going to do. that is essentially his message. what i think is important about the influence of these four important individuals is the way they're even being framed, and the complicity we sometimes all engage in in advancing the president's message. stephanie, i don't see a squad. i'm not even thinking of four women of color. i'm thinking of a representative from michigan and minnesota and massachusetts and new york. that's literally the america that everybody says they're talking about. that's who these women represent. so to the degree we continue to frame them in this way as first democrats did with nancy pelosi
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and trump, we present the notion that they're somehow outlyers rather than women who are trying to make our country a better place. >> do they see four lawmakers representing separate districts, or do they see radical liberals pulling the whole democratic party to the left? >> trump is making a calculation here, and he's right in that these four congresswomen are not wildly popular in missouri and kansas, so that's a calculation he's making. they don't represent our states. trump won missouri and kansas by 19 and 21 points, respectively. but we are hearing from voters who are certainly disturbed by trump's tweets. jerry moran did a town hall in lewis, kansas, not a big city, and the first question he got was from a voter who was concerned about trump's tweets, and instantly jerry moran
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diverged from trump. he's one of the republicans who diverged from trump in pretty certain terms. he said that it was inappropriate for the president to tell them to go anywhere because they're actually home. so jerry moran, a republican, was willing to say that, but it's worth noting that all the other republican members of congress from kansas and missouri were not willing to condemn the president in the same way. and with each one of these passing episodes with the president taking a stand like this, we see fewer and fewer republicans willing to call him out on statements like this. >> adam, take us to indiana. this is the home state of vp pence. we know there are a lot of people who have said they don't like what the president says, but the system is working well enough that they don't want to destroy it. >> that's right. you see signs of the republican trump coalition beginning to fracture. this is a representative who represents a suburban
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republican-leaning district just north of minneapolis, and she has voted with the president 97% of the time. indiana voted for trump by 19 points in 2016, and we've really seen that margin decay over the last several years. his approval rating here is just plus 1 positive, so roughly 18 points he's dropped by, and i think republican representative susan brooks, her vote to condemn the president was really a sign of that fracturing. again, like the other states mentioned, all the other hoosier republicans in the delegation did not vote to condemn the president. so he still has a grip on republican members of the delegation here. >> jeff, so the president is telling the american people, you do not want to blow up the system, and democrats do. but do you know who else doesn't want to blow up the system? joe biden. and he's the frontrunner. behind him you have bernie sanders and elizabeth warren who might represent the progressive wing of the democratic party,
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but with both of them still in the race, if they split that vote, it only helps joe biden more. if joe biden is the nominee, what happens to this entire strategy the president is going with? >> well, once there is a nominee, and if it is joe biden, then he will help be able to set the tone for the discourse from the democratic party. what the president is trying to take advantage of right now is the fact there isn't a top spokesperson for the democratic party. nancy pelosi to some extent has been, but she, as we've been talking about, has also been dealing with that tension between the progressive and the moderate parts of her caucus and the house. so once -- if it's biden or if it's somebody else, that will have a huge impact on who speaks for democrats. and the president will then be confronted with that. if it is a moderate voice, he'll probably have to change his tactics. >> colleen, do the people in kansas know or care what the president tweets? >> the people in kansas do know and they do care what the
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president tweets, but they're not necessarily living and dying by every tweet. they don't check the president's twitter feed first thing nin th morning, necessarily. >> i do. >> part of the danger is we're all becoming a nerd to this, and every tweet becomes a shock value, and what we're saying is, well, this wasn't as bad as what happened after charlottesville, and part of what factors into that is we're less shocked this time around than after charlottesville. so it's not necessarily that it's any less offensoffensive, we're less shocked, so we see fewer and fewer people responding with shock and saying, this is a red line, or this is unacceptable. people are aware of what he's tweeting, but like the rest of the country, we've become increasingly a nerd to where the red line is and where we should be saying, this is not okay for
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the president to be saying racist things. >> hold on. do you know what happened after charlottesville? the 2018 midterms. and democrats overwhelmingly won. so are we really becoming desensitized? colleen? >> well, we're going to test that question in 2020. i mean, we got an interesting test in kansas of whether this strategy might work in our governor's race last year. chris kobach, who is kind of the president's twin, ran for governor in kansas and lost in 2018, the wave that you're talking about, and so that was an interesting test. chris kobach had enough support with anti-immigration policies and racially charged statements to get the republican nomination, but he lost by five points in a republican state. so we'll test the question in 2020 again. >> five points in a republican state. jeff mason, colleen nelson, thank you both so much.
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everybody else, tough luck. you've got to stick around. coming up, much more with president trump's fight with the squad. two mayors will be here not only on the uproar but how the nation's fight is leaving the rest of the country behind. up next, shocking new allegations involving jeffrey epstein and women during the time period he was technically in jail. you have got to hear this. own trailer. ♪ wheeeeeee! believe it! geico could save you 15% or more on car insurance. let's see, aleve is than tylenol extra strength. and last longer with fewer pills. so why am i still thinking about this?
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in just 24 hours, a judge will be making the decision whether jeffrey epstein should be released from jail. and we're going to talk about a passport that was found in a safe along with a pile of diamonds and a whole lot of cash. epstein is in jail for sexual assault charges in manhattan. help us understand, what on earth are epstein's attorneys saying about this passport with epstein's face and somebody else's name? >> they're saying if you go back to the 1980s when plane hijackings were a thing and people were concerned i can lik epstein of wealth that they might be targeted -- >> in the '80s with only a high
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school degree? >> that's what his attorneys are saying. this passport is something he can give to kidnappers who say, i'm not from saudi arabia, i'm not the person you're looking for. >> how lame is that argument? i realize i'm just a normal person, but i don't have two pass ports and i don't spend my time worried and game planning escape plans. >> some people do have two pass ports, they have dual citizenship, but they don't have this kind of passport with a name that's not your own. in that sense, it is unusual. they're essentially admitting the existence of this passport was a ruse, it was a false passport intentionally so, not to fool the government, they say, but instead to fool the bad guys if they came after the rich guy. >> we've talked a lot about what many people call the sweetheart deal. he was only in jail for 13 months. even during that period, six days a week, he was allowed to leave the prison, his own private driver would take him to his office on a work release
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program. well, the lawyer for one of his alleged victims has come out hard talking about this period when he was in jail. take a look. >> efhe was in his office most the day, and what i can tell you is he had visitors, female visitors. i don't know that any of them were underage, and the female visitors were there not for business. >> okay. so he was not doing a highway cleanup program, he's in his office and the lawyer alleges women were there? how could this play into the case? >> it could play into the case, because if you go back to u.s. attorney's berman's press conference, they put out a call for new possible victims. they even gave out the phone number and instructions as to how to use the dial pad when you get through the prompts. so they're looking for additional victims and additional victims that will fall in the statute of limitations which is potentially unlimited, it won't be hard to satisfy. it won't be a surprise that new
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victims come out and you see a superseding indictment with new, fresh charges against jeffrey epstein. and i think southern district of new york prosecutors might want that, because these are charges that stem back many, many years, and it can be a challenge to prove those beyond a reasonable doubt. >> do we know if they've been successful having new victims come forward? >> they haven't announced any, but you certainly see a private attorney saying there were additional people, even while he was on work release. remember, when you're on work release and you're given these plums to get out of jail, you're essentially still in custody. they've just set it up so you're not costing the government housing you in jail. but you're still technically in custody when you're out on work release. >> danny, you're going to have a lot of work to do over the next week. you'll be pretty busy. get ready. i have a feeling. danny c eva llos, stick around. up next, we're talking 2020 and a new candidate possibly throwing their hat in the ring for the republican nomination,
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle, and the numbers are in. we now have the full snapshot of how each 2020 democratic
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contender is doing when it comes to raising the big bucks. we're seeing some massive numbers and some impressive numbers from buttigieg and joe biden. but there is still someone leading the 2020 race. it's president donald trump. how can these democrats turn their campaign into big money? here is fundraiser and author of "branding america." and jason, carlos corbella is back with me. take us back to 2016. fundraising wasn't the president's thing. >> yes and no. when you have small donors giving, that's a movement, that's momentum, and that translates into votes. when you have major bundlers which is kind of my specialty for superpacs, when you have one
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bundlerks d bundler in the game, that's measurement. if you see someone shooting to the top of the polls with money, and most of their money has come from big donors and big bundlers, you can look at that because they get their message out, they have more opportunity to do that. but if you look at the movement pieces, obama was a beautiful, historical fundraising deal when he had small donors. that translated into a major movement and won him the election. >> well, a small donor is still a stakeholder. adam, rain or shine, they're going to go out on election day and make sure they vote. so talk to us about mayor pete. fundraising is extraordinary. we have seen big dollars, especially out of places like new york city and los angeles moving in the direction of mayor pete buttigieg, but there seems to be something of a disconnect when it comes to the polling. >> that's right. you know, he had a field leading
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fundraising number for the second quarter, but when you look at the polls in early states or nationally, he's sort of in the fourth or fifth position in the top tier of democratic candidates. when you look at his candidacy, he was virtually unknown months ago. it's possible that people are still getting to meet him, and his day job, unlike some of his fellow contenders in the race is fairly demanding, especially recently as he deals with the fallout of the police-involved shooting in south bend. so he hasn't been on the campaign trail as much as some of his fellow candidates. but come december 31st when his final term in office is over, he will be free to do much more campaigning six, seven days a week. one of the interesting things to me about his fundraising strategy is that he's pairing these sort of large donor events with smaller donor grassroots events where people can get in for 5, 10, 15, $20 and you really see that in his second
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quarter fundraising report. >> jason, what stands out to you from these numbers? the president, he's raising a lot. >> stephanie, he's the president, right? so trump is always going to raise a lot of money because he's the incumbent, and businesses, tech businesses and large companies, they want to put their money in with the winner. it makes sense for president trump to be ahead. what i find fascinating is if you look at the top five democrats from harris to biden to buttigieg to warren to bernie, they're raising a lot of money. then you have cory booker. it tells me at the end of the day, whoever ends up being the nominee can pretty much carry 90% of the money that all these democrats have, so they'll be in good financial position next year. and you have to look at the number of donors, right? elizabeth warren is actually leading by 100,000 in the number of donors. so pete buttigieg raises a lot
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of money but he needs more in the polls. so i think contenders can be proud of where they are but there is a weakness by how much they can raise and by how many people. >> the "new york times" had a piece saying the trump campaign is winning big dollars over small donors. are they saying the trump campaign is winning? >> part of the president's strategy to raise all this attention on twitter is a fundraising strategy. that will be a big difference between 2020 and 2016. on the democratic side, i certainly think buttigieg is the candidate with the most potential. we have to think about the fact that no one knew who pete buttigieg was just four or five months ago. today he's in the top tier of democratic candidates and has a lot of resources which will become important when it comes
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time to buy television time in states like iowa and new hampshire and south carolina. so biden is the strongest, he's leading in the polls, he has a well-funded campaign, but i think buttigieg is the most impressive when you look at these numbers. >> people didn't know him five months ago, they couldn't say his name two months ago and now he's raising -- >> that includes me. >> me, too. let's talk republicans. now you've got former south carolina republican congressman mark sanford exploring that he may challenge president trump in 2020. president trump, love him or hate him, for republicans, he's got an 89% approval rating. what is sanford doing? >> i don't know what he's doing. i think he needs to take a step back because there's two things if i remember him i would be looking at, that i would be worried about. one thing that's blaring is money. where in the holy heck is mark going to get his fundraising
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from? where will he get this money to put his message out? number two, with a record of promises made, promises delivered on trump, what exactly is he going to be running against trump on? there . >> his message. >> there's another thing to look at. if republicans think he's doing a fabulous job, they're ignoring the old message about the deficit, they're looking at the tax breaks and whatever else. >> big-time republicans, corporate america, wall street didn't vote for president trump. president trump won the election on the disenfranchised voter who the economy wasn't working for. it still ain't working for that voter. >> you're right. but back to the polls with biden, this is why you see the polls resonating for biden with trump because it's that
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disenfranchised voter that will pull someone like biden to the top of the heap. it's all about that voter that flipped from blue to red. trump appealed to that one guy. so this guy, the female, is up for grabs, and that's why biden is continuing even though he did not outraise buttigieg or any of the other candidates. that's why he's continuing to show -- >> could joe biden be hanging back? if joe biden goes to the big dollar donors and corporate america, which you know he can, you'll see elizabeth warren and bernie sanders kill him for it. >> but it's better that he sits back and watches what's going to play out. because bernie sanders and elizabeth warren have the same sort of thoughts on policies. so if you've got them dueling it out, and they also do not take big dollar donors, so they're almost competing for the same donor, too. if they hack it out and bloody
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each other, joe biden becomes unscathed and goes to the top along with mayor pete buttigieg, which wouldn't be a bad combo. >> noelle nikpour, thank you. i'm not letting you boys leave yet. the fact that president trump has told four congresswomen to go back where they came from left the democrats in further gridlock. i'll be speaking to two mayors about what really matters in their cities. really matters in their cities ♪ and with bank of america and merrill, the benefits you get can grow, too. as a preferred rewards member, you can enjoy priority service and exclusive discounts... so your growing life can be more rewarding, too. ♪ what would you like the power to do? ♪
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over the past 48 hours, we have seen chaos break out in washington over president trump's racial tweets aimed at four freshman democratic congresswomen. the house voting to condemn those very tweets, every democrat, four republicans and one independent. and while backlash has grown in congress, many have chose tn to stay silent or will stand by the president. but outside of the white house, do people care about the president's tweets? people who are help us with these questions, chicago mayor lori lightfoot, and minneapolis mayor jacob frey. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> mayor lightfoot, we have seen
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these tweets and headlines dominate washington and really newspapers around the country, but what are people in your city thinking about? >> they're not thinking about that, but they are thinking about the president as a result of his stirring up again hatred with his threats of i.c.e. raids. that's really what's been foremost on people's minds in my city, so we've been doing everything we can to stand with our neighbors and show them support and push back against the president's efforts again and again and again to divide us by race, by color, by gender, by geography. this is part of some strategy that he's on, but we're not going to fall for it. >> what about people in minneapolis? when you see so many lawmakers stand by him, they're standing by him because they want to get reelected. so is that a reflection of what people in their states and cities are telling them? >> well, first off, you shouldn't be in public office to be somebody, you should be there to do something, and if you're not willing to call out the
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president and say, yes, in fact, his comments were racist, there is a problem there. and, of course, they're racist. lawmakers, they get involved in the job because they want to make a difference and they want to make a change. so the sign that ilhan omar, our congresswoman, wants to make changes is a sign that she loves the country, not the opposite. >> the immediate offenses of the president's tweets aside, did the president have a successful week in achieving his goal of making the far left the face of the democratic party? >> he's clearly trying to draw the battle lines very starkly. and he's pushpushing, i think, notion of this is what change looks like, and if you want that, vote for them. but if you want steady things that he represents, that is the line he's trying to draw. which is why we can't let him control the narrative. we can't get in a back and forth in a race for the bottom. we have to speak to the values people care about, which is good jobs, good education for their kids, making sure they've got a
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safe community, access to health care. we've gotten away from, i think, some of those things that are most important to people who are just living their life every single day. if we don't get back there, we're in trouble in 2020. >> we're talking about was the president racist in his language and not kitchen table issues. did the president win the narrative? those kitchen table issues, you could say, how are you delivering, are people better off? and he might not want to hear the answer. >> i don't know whether he's won the narrative in terms of winning on the polls, but what i can say is, one, it's definitely racist, and two, it's not a coincidence that he's going after four women of color. you know, bernie sanders has been pushing for change, joe biden has been pushing for change. he's not going after them. and so why specifically is it this group of women? >> what do your constituents, what do they care about? while the president says this isn't what america looks like,
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she is someone who is elected in your district. take me there. >> in our district people want a safe place to go home to at the end of the night, to rest their head on the pillow and to rejuve natu rejuvenate for the next day. they want affordable housing, the they want the potholes filled. they want inclusion. here's the thing, cities are charged with getting things done. that's where the rubber meets the road. we're the government that doesn't shut down. we have to keep going on and we do. >> what do you wish the federal government would do for you? if you're on your own while washington is in a state of gridlock, what do you need from d.c.? >> two things. our children are watching, so i a level of civility would be a start. the other thing is getting something done. as the mayor said, we don't have the luxury of gridlock, of bickering. our constituents demand action
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on a daily basis. we have to be on call responding and leading. we can't afford to basically stop governing because our cities wouldn't function. and cities absolutely are where things are happening. we have to be responsive to the needs of our folks who need good roads, affordable housing, municipal finance dealt with, we have to balance budgets. so we are constrained but also energized by a set of standards that people have for us that mean we have to be responsive and work on behalf of the people. >> you mentioned the i.c.e. raids and protecting the people of chicago against them. how are you doing that, and what do you say to the people of chicago who say, don't do that, abide by the law, work with i.c.e.? >> whichchicago is a city of immigrants. we've been built by immigrants for 150 years. the people getting targeted are raising their children, they're contributing to the bottom line, they do a lot to help our economy, particularly in our hospitality industries.
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what i've done as mayor is a number of things. number one, i said to our police department, you will not cooperate or otherwise facilitate these raids. i've cut i.c.e. off of our gang database. i've made sure we've supplied substantial resources to legal defense funds and contribute to community navigators who are going door to door. we've taken a stand to support our neighbors. sdp >> we heard about the i.c.e. raids that were supposed to take place over the weekends but we didn't hear much about it. did you experience it in your cities? >> here's what we're doing in minneapolis. we have said we are positirohib from sharing any information at all with i.c.e. we have a separate ordinance in our city which says exactly that. the bottom line, we're going to be standing up for our immigrant brothers and sisters and neighbors. they're part of what makes our city spectacular.
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>> affordable housing is an issue around the country, but specifically in urban america. minneapolis took this on. you changed your zoning laws. how has that worked? >> we did. we're in the process of getting rid of single-family exclusive zoning. we have a whole lot of people right now that want to live in our city, and we don't have the supply to accommodate it. when you have demand that is sky high and you don't have the supply to accommodate, prices get jacked up, rents go through the roof and people get displaced through some of the neighborhoods they've made wonderful to begin with. when you have vast swaths of our city that are exclusively zoned for single family, you set it up so that unless you can build a really big home on a really big lot, you can't live there. so what we've done is we want to allow for diversity of housing options, and by extension, a diversity of people in every neighborhood throughout the city. it's something that, yes, was controversial, and yes, got a whole lot of pushback, but it's the right thing to do. >> why did it get pushback?
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from who and why? >> sometimes the only thing people hate worse than the status quo is any change at all. but in this case no change was necessary. and what it signals is that we're going to push back on a long history of intentional segregation and restrictive covenants that run with the land, and we are better when we are all collectively living together. >> change takes me back to status quo and the 2020 election. what is your advice for democrats who are running? because there are many americans who say, the system isn't completely working for me. i don't love it but i don't want to blow it up. >> look, what i've been saying in any room that i'm in where there is a 2020 contender is you have to talk to the people in the heartland. you have to talk about the issues that animate them. i grew up in ohio. i'm now the mayor of chicago. i know people who are low-income working class. what they care about is where is my next paycheck coming from?
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am i going to be able to have a job where i can take care of my families? if democrats aren't speaking to those core issues, we will continue to lose ohio and pennsylvania and michigan and illinois and wisconsin. heartland that is going to make the decision in 2020. and if we don't step up and speak to the needs of people in these area particularly in cities, we will lose. >> can democrats all get under the same tent? >> i can't predict the future, but that's what we have to do. there's no question that if we're going to beat donald trump and if we're going to shift the direction our country is going in a positive way, then we need to be united. so, you know, i'm optimistic. hopefully it's going in that direction. >> mayors, thank you. minneapolis and chicago. the midwest is in nyc. up next, protests are expected after attorney general bill barr overrules his own civil rights decision, deciding not to bring charges against a police officer involved in the
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died after a police officer placed him in a choke hold. it comes a day after the justice department announced it would not bring federal charges against that officer who is white. garner was black. and his final words were this. i can't breathe. which he said a total of 11 times. attorney general bill barr made the decision not to prosecute and dropped a year's long civil rights investigation just as the statute of limitations was set to expire. garner's mother spoke out this morning. >> it is still an insult to injury that they are not going forward with charges, saying the bar was too high for them to bring charges against him, a federal indictment. >> jason, did the decision surprise you? >> not at all. we said yesterday the president is a racist. this can be seen in the same
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light. it is not just that eric garner died at the hands of police. he died in an illegal choke hold. no one was held accountable. the only person to get arrested is the brave individual who took the video of this killing. >> he's in jail right now? >> exactly. he's in jail. that's the only one who got in any trouble. so this is indicative of an overall pattern in this country of not respecting the lives of individuals black and brown and not holding police, who are government employees, whose jobs we pay for with our taxes, accountable for their actions. . >> what is bill barr's rationale here? >> jason, who i respect so much, the attorney's office for the eastern district concluded this was not a choke hold. this was an approved hold, a takedown. in addition, there has been no evidence in this case at least not by the u. s. attorneys' office that garner was targeted for his race. and the history of the case shows even during the obama administration, the justice
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department bitterly agreed whether to bring charges. they declined to indict the officer. now you have barr stepping in, and, yes, resolving the issue. that was a division between civil rights and the attorney general's office for the eastern district of new york. at a minimum, we could say reasonable minds can disagree as to whether or not this is a crime that should be indicted. >> no. this is not a reasonable minds issue. there is no both sides. i'm not excusing the obama administration either. a man is dead. he was killed by an illegal choke hold. it was an illegal choke hold, and he was killed and consistently targeted and he complained about it in the video. we can spin around and dance all we want and say this guy died and we have to understand and everything else like that. e end of the day, people are being killed every single day by police who are not being held accountable. and if the government's job is to protect the public, when police kill someone, they should be held accountable if they cannot explain how he was an
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immediate threat to themselves, or others in the community. what is the issue here. >> what did they conclude from the video when he said i can't breathe? was he in that choke hold? >> no, he was not. well, i shouldn't say the choke hold. the way the u.s. attorney's office. >> takedown, choke hold. >> right. and admittedly, as he was falling he shifted his arm. so it was over his neck. jason, i absolutely admit that. but the point that the u.s. attorney's office made he didn't start saying i can't breathe until after he was down and the other brother officers were to top of him. and i agree. this is an arrest that probably shouldn't have happened. but to decide whether this officer is liable under this particular federal civil rights statute, a criminal statute that requires, jason -- and you can talk to congress who enacted the law. it requires such a high standard of knowledge, willfully violating the law. not accidently. not a bad judgment.
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it is a very difficult case to bring for the government. i'm a defense attorney. i often think the police overstep their boundaries. buff i also am aware this particular statute has such a high standard, that's why government officials often decline to prosecute. >> the subjective opinion of william barr is not something that can be trusted given what we understand about the motivations of this administration. it was illegal choke hold. second, he was not resisting. the man was literally standing there when we jumped him. we see it in the video. and he starts screaming i can't breath and other people jump on top of him. the man was no longer a threat to anybody under any circumstances. and police continued to use unnecessary force. i don't care if it was their intention. someone still died for excessive force. that is a problem. >> it is. >> not to say these are perfectly fine. to the degree this can happen on an everyday basis that happens to black and brown people more, that is a larger problem in this
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country. >> thank you both for bringing your insight, passion, your expertise. thank you for watching this hour. we will wrap it up now. i hand you off to my dear friend and colleague hallie jackson. >> thank you much. boy, do we have breaking news on capitol hill. a lot of it. a single democrat is forcing leadership to take up the issue of impeachment just hours from now, today. it's all moving really fast after al green introduced the articles of impeachment overnight. basically forcing house speaker nancy pelosi and her leadership to address it somehow. the question is, how? we know when. but there's new information now on the options before democrats. and just what they may do. here's what the congressman told our team within the last couple of minutes. >> today we take up punishment. i will vote to impeach him. if you do what the president has done, you would be punished. what we have done so far does not remove him from his job. you would lose your jocks. the president cannot be above the law.


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