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brother. >> he told me he never realized how bad the gun violence was until he realized his own son had become desensitized to it. that's the moment he decided to do something about it. i'll see you tomorrow morning on "today." >> right now on "andrea mitchell reports," the great divider. the house votes to condemn the president's comments about four democratic congresswomen as racist, but are democrats playing right into the trump re-election strategy. >> this is a distraction. this is a person who wants to vilify immigrants and communities of colors. >> what's been said about the four of you, that the four of you are a distraction, that you're playing right into the president's hands. >> i think he wants you to focus on that. prescription 2020, bernie sanders rolling out his medicare for all plan today. while joe biden breaks with many
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of his competitors saying obamacare is the best medicine. >> if you go medicare for all, there is no private insurance, period. that's why you see a lot of democrats going, i don't mean -- i'm not going to take away your private plan. i'm not going to take away your employer-based plan. the truth is, it takes it away. and back to the future. video from the 1990s emerges. donald trump partying with palm beach -- in palm beach with now accused child sex trafficker jeffrey epstein, even though the president says the two were not close. >> i knew him like everybody in palm beach knew him. he was a fixture in palm beach. i had a falling out with him. i wasn't a fan. ♪ and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in
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washington where president trump's attacks look like a blueprint for a re-election strategy. the "new york times" highlighting the plan today to marry house speaker nancy pelosi to the women known as the squad to stoke resentment. the president referring to the congresswomen directly on twitter writing they are the topmost visible house of the democrats. and tweeting this morning that he will be mentioning people who lo love and hate our country in a rally tonight in north carolina. joining me now kasie hunt, nbc white house correspondent peter alexander, joel payne, and msnbc justice and security analyst, matt miller. welcome all. k
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let's talk about nancy pelosi. what do we expect from her as all of this is heating up on capitol hill? >> well, andrea, clearly this is not the articles of impeachment that have been filed by congressman green, is not reflective of where nancy pelosi stands. as she was talking to reporters earlier today, she was asked this question, you know, are you in favor of it, and she said immediately, no. and then stopped and sort of said, well, is that a surprise to you? this is one of these things where, you know, she has been very careful to try and keep her caucus together on this and while there's clearly a sentiment among many democrats that, you know, has been growing as we've had instance after instance of administration officials not coming up to capitol hill, it's still something that she doesn't necessarily think the house is ready for. so this really does test, you
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know -- set up a test for democrats who have been struggling with internal divisions that over the past couple of days have been papered over by the president's tweets, andrea. >> and, peter, you've been writing about this strategy coming from the white house. the president instead of backing off is doubling down, tripling down, if you will, on this whole narrative where he is attacking these women and trying to portray them as hating this country as not being patriotic. these are elected representatives, born in the usa, expect for one who came as a child from somalia. >> i just hung up a phone call with one of the president's allies who said this is not some calculated effort, there's not some polling going on, they say he follows his gut and he's done it in a lot of past instances, but ultimately a lot of people kind of supported him on that, republicans, many of them didn't speak out about it at the time
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and here this ally tried to turn these lemons into lemonade, really trying to build on it and trying to cast these four liberal, freshman congresswomen of color, effectively as radical and un-american, trying to make them the faces of the democratic party. he's not alone in this. he's not suggesting that they just hate him so much but as you've seen in his language, he's saying that they hate america. they hate america, they're out to get you. kellyanne conway, we heard similar messaging saying they represent the dark underbelly of people in this country. this is a message that the president and his allies hope will resonate with voters going forward. we've seen some of the tough language from the president on twitter. here's what he posted within the last couple of hours tweeting about a poll, a poll that favors conservatives, leans in his favor here, he touted some of
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the numbers who say he's at 50%. other polls show him below that. but he writes, thank you to the vicious young socialist congresswomen. america will never buy your act. you can see what the president is trying to do here, andrea, saying to his voters, america, we as americans need to push back against these women and he's trying to tie these woman to nancy pelosi, but really to brand the whole party to their statements. >> and, joel, for democrats, none of these women identify themselves as socialists. bernie sanders is the only independent that i know that describes himself as a democratic socialist among the democratic contenders, that has nothing to do with them. but this is part of the brand. and does the related question, does al green's resolution of articles of impeachment that went to the floor and is going to be voted on, we're not sure quite what pelosi's strategy is on it, does this force her hand and play into the president's
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hand. i'm sure it's not exactly how she would have scripted the follow-up to yesterday, but democrats have to feel good about where they are. the story line was pelosi versus aoc and the squad. well, the president, by sticking his foot, you know, in the business of democratic party politics is actually taking the focus off of that and has made pelosi's point. her point to her caucus is, our unity is our strength. he's unified -- president trump has unified the democratic party here. he's unified the democratic caucus within the house. i think it's fascinating that the president has done this, and i'm not sure i'm too worried about the impeachment talk today because i think it still plays into pelosi's hands, the fact that she's talking about a president who made a faux pas versus democrats not getting along. >> to the same point, al green pushing these articles of impeachment, trying to maybe
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perhaps ride on the coat tails of the resolution against the president for his, you know -- what they say are racist comments, which most would agree are racist comments. >> there's a rising tide inside the democratic caused inside the house. it's not a majority yet. we might see today in this vote, what the numbers are. pelosi may diffuse that. i don't think there's much disagreement in the democratic caucus about whether the president ought to be removed from office. by the fact that he talks as a racist, acts like a racist, governors as a racist, the fact that the mueller report shows that he committed obstruction of justice, criminal acts, the fact that he committed noncriminal acts that are still abuses of power like ordering his attorney general to prosecute a political opponent. the question is, whether they are better off moving him through impeachment or the election. and i think the problem that pelosi has, she's been able to stave off the push for
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impeachment. but those investigations don't seem to be going anywhere. it's been three months since the mueller report was turned in. they haven't gone to court to enforce a single subpoena, the mueller testimony has been delayed forever, and now it's going to happen next week. telling people in the caucus who favor impeachment that they need to wait for this process, doesn't work as well when that process seems to be going very, very slowly. >> to the question of whether or not the president's comments are racist, let me play for you a compilation of some of the things that he has had to say. >> get off the person -- >> get off the birth certificate issue. >> why don't you? >> because three weeks ago when i started, i thought he was probably born in this country and now i really have a much bigger doubt than i did before. >> they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs.
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they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some, i assume, are good people. >> this judge is of mexican heritage. i'm building a wall. he's a member of a society where very promexico and that's fine. it's all fine. but -- >> you're calling into question his heritage. >> you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was very violent and nobody wants to say that but i'll say it right now. >> that mexican judge was someone born in indiana with an hispanic name. it used to be said about taxes back then, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, my measure of racism i would defer to john louis. >> yeah. and there have been a lot of folks who spoke with a lot of clarity, but most of those folks have a "d" next to their name.
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here's what's fascinating to me. the president, i think, is saying the quiet part out loud, unfortunately. a lot of these tropes and attitudes that he's been trance posing here over the last few days are things that a lot of republicans have carried around. maybe they've carried them around in dark corners of their party, but they've come to light in the form of the person who's occupying the oval office and that's problematic for the republicans who are in swing districts, people are trying to make the appeals to moderate voters, we're a mainstream parties, these are not the attitudes of a mainstream parties. >> can some of these attitudes that he expresses play out in court on some of the immigration issues. >> they could. you've seen the president's issues get him in trouble in court a number of times when the administration goes in and argues that they've made policy decisions for considered reasons, in the travel ban cases or some of the
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immigration-related cases and the courts have found, based on the president's comments, that, no, he's motivated by racial animus. he's had several of his executive orders blocked because of that. i think with respect to what the president is doing, i think we can overthink this sometimes. i don't think racism is popular in the united states. there are obviously a number of people, his voters who respond well to it, but also repels a number of other voters. but i also think that democrats and you would hope the whole country, would have to look beyond just the next election. when the president says the quiet part out loud, they have to stand up and object to it. you've seen the republicans bargain with it. you've seen them bargain and treat racism from the president like it's some other issue and say, well, i disagree with the racism, but i like the tax cuts. when the president acts like a racist, democrats have to stand
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up for the values of this country and say, no, this is -- >> i would argue that all americans have to stand up. >> sure. >> by not speaking out against this, it's the same thing that paul ryan did a few years ago in the house when he did not stand up, and i think a lot of republicans are going to regret the fact that they have not been more vocal in opposition to the president. >> we'll have more on this to come. thank you all. bern notice. bernie sanders pushing back against joe biden's health care plan. stay with us on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc.
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in the heated bernie versus biden matchup, the lines are being drawn over health care days after biden slammed sanders' medicare for all plan. sanders is back on defense. he's making another pitch today for his plan which would eliminate private insurance. joining me now, shaquille. what is he trying to accomplish? >> he's trying to defend medicare for all. whether or not we hear biden's name, it's very clear he will be one of the targets of this address and that's why senator sanders is going to outline his plan. he says, we'll eliminate things
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like co-pays and deductibles and it will cost 30 to $40 trillion over ten years. and to pay for that, it will include a middle class tax increase, but with it eliminating some of the other costs for families, people would be willing to embrace something like that. a more people now support medicare for all which was considered a radical idea in 2016. more people and candidates support it this time around. there's a recent poll that shows 44% of regulated voters supporting the idea of single-payer insurance. but it's more than it has been in the past. and he's going to point out candidates who support it or support the name of it and not the actual elimination of private insurance and he's going to make his case today at about 4:00 p.m. >> we'll all be listening. and a more aggressive joe biden taking on his rivals, challenging medicare for all
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that was embraced by a rising star, kamala harris. >> either a medicare for all, which means obamacare is gone, gone, period, or you build on obamacare, like i'm doing, and you provide a medicare option. i don't know what her position, maybe she's changed her position. i don't know. >> anita dun is a former white house communications director and an adviser to the biden campaign and joins me now. this fight over health care which was the big issue in the 2018 midterms, it's clearly fundamental to any democratic nominee's political base going forward, how does biden distinguish himself as, you know, something new, something different, a change agent, if it's looking back toward obamacare. >> andrea, as you well know, it's not looking back towards obamacare, it's building on what's been successful, which was the biggest major transformation of health care in this country in 70 years.
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other democrats had tried it, other presidents has tried it and nobody was able to do it until barack obama and joe biden were able to do it. it's building on the success of that to make sure that we get the other people who don't have insurance yet, insured, and make health care affordable for everyone else. and it is a clear difference between vice president biden and senator sanders, senator warren and i believe senator harris when you look at this field. others are for medicare for all which is a single-payer system. most americans would say we should build on what is working right now, which has been successful in covering, you know, millions more americans and helping to bring more efficiencies to the health care system. >> perhaps it was predictable, but joe biden is losing elevation in some of these more recent polls since the debate.
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clearly elizabeth warren picking up steam and kamala harris as well. >> you've covered it, and i've been in it for a long time and this is the season will people will go up and down, what is absolutely true, though, is that when we get to decision points, people are going to look at joe biden's record, they're going to look at his experience and most importantly, they're going to look at his vision for the future, for re-building the middle class of america, restoring some morality to the oval office and i think that people will respond to that as they already have. >> he has not wanted to go after his political opponents, clearly, he hung back in that first debate. he seems now to have pivoted. he's being more aggressive. are we going to see a much more aggressive joe biden in the debate two weeks from now. >> there are clear issue differences that are developing within the democratic field. joe biden never wants to lose track of what is the reality
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here is that none of this will happen if we don't defeat donald trump. he views the field as his competitors and he views his opponent as donald trump. >> and you and he both suggested that you're not clear on what kamala harris's position is on medicare for all. >> i think senator harris is the person to address this question. she's an original cosponsor of the bill. this will include a significant middle class tax increase. it will cost between 30 and $40 trillion over the next ten years and it will eliminate private insurance expect for some things like cosmetic surgery which are not covered by may recolle medicare for all. however, having said that, elizabeth warren also took a very strong position saying she
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was in favor of that. senator harris has not been quite as specific, but i'm sure as the campaign goes on, we'll all learn where everyone stands on these issues. >> very subtle way of saying we'll see where they come out on the debate stage and the campaign to come. thank you very much. good to see you. next hour, 2020 presidential candidate senator bernie sanders joining ali velshi. and a fugitive has been caught in chicago, the alligator was captured tuesday by a specialist. frank rob stayed up for 36 hours straight making gator calls on the side of the lake where the alligator had been resting. he was honored by throwing out the first pitch on the chicago cubs last night. and chicago born hip-hop arrest
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the squad residing at the center of the political universe spoke to cbs's gayle king about their place in the national debate. >> what we are are four women who have an alignment of values, shared policy priorities, there is no insurgency here, there's nothing conspiratory. we are four lawmakers who happen to land in the same place on the same issue time and time again. >> california democratic congresswoman barbara lee joins me now. thank you very much for being with us. where did this -- how did this all erupt? how did these four women become so demonized by the president of the united states? >> first, let me say this, i am appalled at this president's
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racist, demeaning, disgusting, and dangerous attacks. women, african-american women, women of color, are just as american as he is. we are fighting each and every day for a more perfect union and, andrea, we are here to say, and we're going to continue to fight to make sure there's justice and that there's equality and that there's parody and there's equal opportunity for everyone in this country that includes new americans and people of color. >> i want to ask you about what happened last night on the floor and your reaction to what happened with emmanuel cleaver. let me play part of that and ask you about it ton other side. >> i came in here to try to do this in a fair way. i kept warning both sides let's not do this. but we don't want to pass up, it
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seems, an opportunity to escalate, and that's what this is. i dare anybody to look at any of the footage and see if there was any unfairness. but unfairness is not enough because we want to just fight. i abandon the chair. >> that was during the debate over the resolution condemning the president's racist comments. what was so upsetting to the congressman? >> he said it all, he wanted a fair fight. when you look at the resolution which we were debating, the resolution very clearly says that this house of representatives is not going to legitimatize fear and racism. the president's comments are leaning to that. and so he was presiding and he said enough is enough. and let me tell you, andrea, this is outrageous. if the notion that the
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president's attacks were not racist, were not dangerous, were not demeaning, you tell me what is. >> what about this impeachment resolution? congressman al green, the articles of impeachment, what is the strategy there? is that going to die in committee? >> i'm not sure what the strategy is right now, but of course, if it comes to the floor, many of us would vote for it. let me say, i have to say one thing, we have passed 50 bills or more here in the house of representatives. we passed lowering prescription drugs for our country. we passed many, many bills that would require people to -- examine, make sure that our dreamers are protected. we passed legislation to get rid of corruption in the government. we're doing our job. it doesn't make my sense for this president and i want to
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cite his tweet earlier when he said we weren't doing our job. we're doing our job and i'm encouraging you to tell mitch mcconnell and the senate to pass the legislation that we forwarded to them so that the president can sign them and get going with the agenda of this country. this is a total distraction and so he's misrepresenting and not telling the truth about what democrats have done and continue to do in the house. >> congresswoman, barbara lee, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. coming up, tale of the tape. a newly discovered video showing donald trump partying with jeffrey epstein in 1992. details coming up next. stay with us on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. the clock is t on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation
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former buffalo bills cheerleaders where donald trump and jeffrey epstein were seen laughing together. stephanie, it certainly is a retrospective look at a friendship perhaps gone sour. >> and president trump hasn't given an explanation for the falling out. he wouldn't go any further than that and he said he actually wasn't a fan and that circuit in palm beach is full of parties and high society and that's certainly the circle that jeffrey epstein was in down there and donald trump was in there in that circle as well in the early '90s. again, he said he had that falling out. there's also a 2002, interview in "new york magazine" where donald trump describes epstein as a terrific guy and tends to like women on the younger side. but the president in the days
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following jeffrey epstein's conviction on sex trafficking charges was asked questions, his friendship with epstein was well known and he spoke out about it last week and those were those comments that you heard right there, andrea. >> and the next step would be the bail hearing, is that when they get back in court? >> that's right. tomorrow morning at 9:30, the federal judge has said he will issue his ruling on bail. as you know, federal prosecutors don't want jeffrey epstein out on bail. they're arguing that he's a flight risk and a risk to the public. his defense attorneys say he can go out on bail. he would be willing to be under house arrest and to put up a hundred million dollar bond that his brother would back and he would -- including in all of that he would also ground his plane. that's their offer. we'll see what the federal judge does tomorrow morning. >> thank you very much, stephanie. >> you're welcome. >> coming up, stand by their
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you're married to an immigrant that's a nationalized u.s. citizen. if someone were to say to her that she should go back to her country, wouldn't you consider that a racist attack? >> well, the secretary of transportation came here at age 8, legally. not speaking a word of english and has realized the american dream. this is a process of renewal that's gone on for a very long time. and it's good for america and we ought to continue it. >> majority leader mitch mcconnell ducking that question about whether he considers the president's attacks to be racist. ilhan omar came here about the same age, 8 years old, she's now an elected member of congress. nancy pelosi will be speaking shortly after the uproar last night on the house floor over her use of the term of racist.
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>> these comments from the white house are disgraceful and disgusting and these comments are racist. how shameful to hear him to continue to defend those offensive words, words that we have all heard him repeat not only about our members, but about countless others. >> let's get the inside scoop on all of this from susan page, the washington bureau chief for usa today, and ruth marcus. susan page up there on the hill, the speaker will be speaking soon. you've been covering her, writing her. what is her strategy today, especially she's facing this articles of impeachment resolution as well. are going they going to deep six that? >> a controversy she had opened to avoid. she said she opposes the house moving ahead with an impeachment inquiry. she sees this as a distraction that's going to hurt their
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chances in next year's election. it's true that the number of democrats who now support an impeachment inquiry continues to tick up, and it's fuelled the feeling by some democrats that it's time to take some sort of action. >> and when we see these four women being demonized on twitter, i understand there's a video that's been produced by the white house, i think, it's the white house social media operation which is portraying the president meeting troops and referring to the squad as part of obviously a re-election type video being done by the white house, speaking of the hatch act. >> where's the jail, as somebody said. >> basically says america, one
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squad under god. >> the thing that worries me is the question of whether this is actually going to turn out to be an effective tactic on the part of the president. with his voters, with his base, and maybe with some of the voters that he needs who got -- helped him get over the top previously. whether setting off these others, portraying them as others, evoking that -- the same kind of emotion that we felt back in the day during the vietnam war, america, love it or leave it, there's a resonance to that. i'm not endorsing it, but i don't think this white house is putting up that video because they thought the president made a mistake that they're doubling down on. they're putting it up for a reason. >> and eugene, i'm seeing it globally. we see this populist rage, anti-immigration rage, we're seeing it in germany, but we're
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seeing it in poland, hungary, elsewhere around the world. and now, of course, it may have started here in 2015 or even earlier with the birtherism. >> it's been effective in terms of getting the president to have his base continue to support him. there was some polling earlier this week that said his support among republicans went up about five points after these tweets. one of the things that's really fascinating, of course, about this whole line of attack is that he's talking about people who are born in america, for the most part. he's not talking about immigrants. we do know that the president has a very narrow view of what it means to be an american and it doesn't include to some of his supporters, immigrants or people of color. and that's not going to help him in 2020, considering most people voting aren't in trump's base. it doesn't look like it could be. >> susan, what is the mood up
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there on the hill today as they've just gone through this really difficult, difficult fight on the house floor last night and now they've got a lot of procedural questions as pelosi takes on this articles of impeachment resolution from within her own caucus. >> that's right. and some hope that republicans will join with them. largely, they didn't. only four republicans voted with them yesterday. if you wonder why the republicans are standing with the president, look at our latest poll today, 24% said they disagreed. so he's speaking to his base. if you look at the electorate overall, two-thirds of the tweets were offensive, six in ten said they were un-american. he's appealing to one part of the american electorate, but he's pushing away or creating problems for himself with some swing voters including women and independents. >> susan page, eugene scott,
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justice ever to serve on the u.s. supreme court died on tuesday. spending more than three decade ons t s on the bench. he was nominate by gerald ford. he became a leader of the liberal wing. noticeably on a flag case in 1949. highly deck ra i am joined now by nbc's justice pete williams and our justice stooer stevens. >> what a life. >> i wanted to interview him when he became the second oldest
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person, he wrote me a nice letter i don't think i want to call attention to that. he was appointed by a republican president and clearly move todd the left. he stayed where he was. he joined and supported the abortion rights for the accused and affirmative action and he also joined with the conservatives and the notable opinion that's important to him in the trump era and nsaying yo can't sue a sitting president and guantánamo detainees giving them the right to sue and challenging their intentions and his eloquent decent of the citizens of united states, giving money to campaigns.
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by the way, forced him to decide he had to retire from the supreme court. as he read his descent from the bench, he had trouble reading it. he stumbled over certain words. he said later that was when i decided it was time for me to leave the court. i think he bounced back from that quickly and sort of a mini stroke and he later found out and probably he regretted that. he remained so active and so mentally with it during all the years after he left the court. >> he just published his autobiography. >> let's hear from him in 2015 talking about his role in court. >> i don't know if the country has changed. i think i have said when i was enacted justice on more than one occasi
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occasion, that after nixon became president, every appointment occurred was more conservative in his or her predecessor. i think it is true and it is a trend that's pretty much and has not been uninterrupted. it was very true, it was more conservative than our lives. >> he was with our friend jonathan k. park. he would have been 100 years old then. did you see his man at his belated birthday when his autobiography was being published in may, only a few months ago. >> it was a wonderful occasion. he just had his 99th birthday and finished his memoir and had a fascinating childhood and he saw bay ruth.
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all of his time on the court and he was feeling great satisfaction that he published the book and he talked with all of us at length and he was so sharp and with it at the age of 99 to very end. cared passionately about these issues and exuded the kindness and all of those qualities were so evident. he was so vibrant in mind and spirit. >> i misspoke about how old he was. i was thinking of someone else who passed just yesterday or today at 103. forgive me. also as a leader and you know you clerk for him, what was he like to work for? >> oh, he was just a tremendous person to work for and with.
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as a justice, he was so sharp and so brilliant and always brought independent. he was not somebody, we were talking him through the courts and liberals and conservatives, he was sometimes difficult to pigeon hole. it really sums it up, he approached every case with an open light. that was reality and not just rhetoric. every case he would dive in the record and sometimes come out in surprising ways and he had just tremendous intellectual integrity. >> he drafted his own opinions. he would give them to the clerk. it is a little bit of a funny feeling a year or two, he'll hand you his draft, what do you say? nice try. these were complete opinions, footnotes and everything. he strongly encouraged a lot of back and forth and he'll give you the draft and would say do whatever you want with it.
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he would look at it but he would keep his original draft. he would go back to his original draft. >> remarkable when he was nominated by gerald ford in 1975, it was only a couple of years after roe v. wade and that abortion question was raised. it was not controversial. >> there was a point that he emphasized. that began the televising appearance. he thought it would fig fundamentally change the nature of the hearing. >> we'll have to lever ave it t. they'll be writing a lot about him. thank you so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." tomorrow, please turn in live at
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aspen for our aspen security forum there. here is ali for "velshi & ruhle." >> hello everyone, i am ali velshi, it is wednesday, july 17th, stephanie is on assignment. house speaker is expected address last night's stunning vote. the first -- last night and again and this morning the president attacked the four women on twitter and calling them names and thanking them for his polling number. >>. >> demonizing not only immigrants but communities of color. >> there are no bottom of the barrel of this. to stifle those who wants to advance rights for