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activist movements called never again action and they block the entry to the washington, d.c. protest saying quit your jobs. tomorrow, more than 200 catholic clergy and people are planning a catholic day of action for immigrant children outside the u.s. capitol. we will be watching of course and not just us, but the outrage with what trump is doing at the border is biblical at this point. time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> christianity is much more clear about how to welcome refugees than the american government certainly is. >> yeah. to have the jewish protesters with never again is now and catholic protesters tomorrow. this is -- when it gets to this kind of treatment and the defense of this kind of treatment, you are tapping
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something in people. >> the treatment coming from the party that claims that the strongest embrace of religion that wants to define itself by the strong embrace of religion. everything they are doing violates all of that. >> the president putting out the new reelection positioning stuff that it's under god. that's what they're doing. >> thank you, rachel. remember rush limbaugh? he was the donald trump of american politics before donald trump became donald trump of american politicians. the right wing of politics doesn't need two donald trumps. no one really cares what rush limbaugh says. not even rush limbaugh. the latest crazy thing that rush limbaugh says nowadays never makes it into the american news
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media because it's not as crazy as what the president of the united states said every day. including what the president said tonight. rush limbaugh had to give up many of his beliefs to become the faithful trump follower that he is and he confessed publicly that they were never beliefs at all. he didn't believe all that stuff he was saying. stuff that he and other republicans were lying about what they believed. he actually said that on his radio show and at the end of this hour, pulitzer prize winning columnist will join us about what donald trump has done not just to the republican party, but to our politics and whether the damage can be repaired. when donald trump won the presidential nomination, this week he said that the damage the presidency of donald trump has done could be worse than the damage the presidency of richard
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nixon did before richard nixon was forced to resign the presidency. george willis said i think this will do more lasting damage than richard nixon's burglaries did. that damage, george will is talking about is damage that he said this president has done to our culture and our civic discourse. the president did more of that kind of damage tonight at a campaign rally in north carolina. he began the rally by telling the only truth that he told tonight. >> we have all night. we are going to have a lot of fun. i have nothing to do. nothing. >> that is absolutely true. he is our first president with nothing to do because hoe has no idea what the president is supposed to do and he is famously lazy. many of us said when donald trump was running for president,
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he didn't know anything about government. now former republican house speaker paul ryan said it in the new book, american carnage. he said i'm telling you he didn't know anything about government. covering a trump campaign rally presents challenges to the american news media because we know that the president is going to lie. probably most of what he will say will be a lie. we don't want to be the propaganda delivery system for his lies, but he is the president of the united states and for all 44 predecessors, there has been a general agreement that what the president says is important and now about how to deal with what this president says. but we do have new agreements tonight in new polling about what the president has been saying recently about four members of congress who he has been attacking and who he attacked again tonight.
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a new "usa today" poll shows that 68% of attacks are offensive. 59% say they are unamerican. 65% of americans say telling four women of color to go back where they came from is a racist statement. the president struggled with the names. he admitted unable to say alexandria ocasio-cortez's full name because it's just too long. he lied about all of the women, lied about them relentlessly, claiming they said things they have not. in other words, it was a standard donald trump performance. the kind of thing you have seen many times filled with hatred and lies. as with all such performances, the most disturbing part of what
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happens at a trump rally belongs to the trump audience. it's what the trump audience does and says. donald trump is going to disgrace himself and the presidency at his campaign rallies is to be expected. he has always done that. sadly is just as likely that the trump audience will disgrace themselves. as they did so fully tonight. when they started chanting "send her back." when donald trump was telling them lies about congresswoman ilhan omar. a new poll indicates that donald trump's support has increased five points since he started attacking the four freshmen congress women with attacks that 68% of americans say are offensive and 59% of americans say are unamerican and 65% of
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americans say are racist. 65% of americans say donald trump's attacks on these four congress women are racist and those racist attacks increased support for donald trump among republican voters. and now they are chanting "send her back." decorated combat hero john kerry who serve said in the war that donald trump avoided wrote this today about ayanna pressley who donald trump attacked again today. she served on john kerry's senate staff before he became secretary of state. of course president trump's comments about representative pressley are racist, but pretending he is not attacking her race, but lack of patriotism. pressley's entire life has been a story of patriotism. loving her country so much that she wanted to help america live up to its ideals. a strong woman raised in public
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housing by a fearless mother who sacrificed to keep her safe. an activist who found in boston a life of public service and determination to speak up for people who were underrepresented. that story identifies as more american than any mantle this president can ever claim. no wonder donald trump is afraid of her. leading off our discussion tonight are leonard pits, jr., column must for the "miami herald." his latest piece is called this land is our land, donald trump. also white house correspondent from the pbs news hour and political analyst and congressman eric swalwell from california, a member of the y judiciary committee. >> you gave one of the most powerful statements on the floor yesterday before that vote to condemn what president trump has
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been saying about your colleagues. i want to get your reaction to what he continued to say and said tonight. our own government tells its employers that is something you cannot say to employees because it's racist. that's something our own government condemns. we will send donald trump back to new york whether it's through impeachment or election. he is going to face swift indictment and probably bankruptcy. the question i have been asked the most when i was running for president is when will republicans step up and do the right thing? lawrence, as someone who serves with so many of these individuals, i can tell you, they are not. donald trump started this riot. mitch mcconnell and kevin carthy and gang are the looters and they are going to take
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everything. tax cuts for the wealthy and a woman's right to choose. a worker's right to organize until there is nothing left to take. we just have to beat them. >> i want to get your reaction to the trump crowd. we know the donald trump performance. we have seen that before. there is always another performance at that event at that rally. the audience's performance. the trump supporter's performance. tonight their choice was to chant "send her back." we may be hearing a lot of that kind of thing from these trump crowds. >> i don't know that we have ever stopped hearing those things from the trump crowds. i find it hard to look on what they said with a lot of surprise. it's consistent with the behavior of trump's krous crow his rallies over the years since he became a candidate for president and then president of the united states. these seem to be people who
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value their fear of this coming tide of progressive black and brown people that is rising change in american demographic. that's more important to them than health care and than diplomatic issues and anything that you can think of that you can judge a presidency. they are more personed with protecting whiteness than america. all you saw tonight was more of that. >> you made a point they found striking with what dwruchl doesn't understand about america and the populations of the people it includes. he seems to think that americans are only the people who look like members of his family. you took this picture of america all the way up to alaska to include the people up there who donald trump would never recognize as americans.
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>> this whole idea of send them back, this is something we never discussed. this idea of send them back is something that you can only say if we presuppose and we agree that you own the place. i'm in your studio. if i say something that is displeasing and you have the right to say leonard, you have to leave. if we are in wal-mart together, wal-mart is a public space. you don't have the right to excise me from there. what you see and hear in donald trump and frankly all the people that donald trump is echoing is this presumption that has a white person, i have the right to judge your fitness and right to be here in the united states of america. we can argue with and should argue with and should decry the sentiment and we should decry the notion that underlies the sentiment. we have no right to tell you where to go. i'm as american as anyone else
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in this country. >> four years ago it was lock her up. now it's send her back. ilhan omar tweeted tonight, you may shoot me with your words. you may cut me with your eye eyes and kill me with your hatefulness, but still like air, i rise. she was quoting maya angelou. who knows what comes after send her back. >> i think what we saw tonight was the crystallization of president trump trying to make the four congress women his foes for the 2020 campaign. the white house has been trying to make this pivot since monday when the president said over the weekend that these four congress women need to go back to the countries from which they came. three of the four were born here and all four of citizens. he was trying to say they should leave the country. this crowd is being clear they
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heard donald trump when he said over the weekend and has been continuing to say these woman should go back to where they came from. there is this idea that this crowd is giving us a glimpse into the limits really the non-limits that trump supporters will go to follow this person who will carry the porch for this new america for going back to whatever america was years ago to make it great again. there is an idea that president trump is very, very comfortable having arguments about identity and focusing his campaign on racial politics and on these racist tweets. the president is saying today on the white house lawn, i think i'm winning this political battle. he feels as though to get his supporters which are largely white supporters to get them animate and get them to turn out for the polls, he needs to have a foil in the women. maybe he will face joe biden and
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senator harris. maybe he will face senator sanders. what he wants to do is face the four women because he found they can animate people better than anything he can say about policy. >> congressman swalwell, i think we all agree on that. especially when you have the top polling candidates for president polling ahead of donald trump, all beating him on one on one polling. you are recently retired from the presidential campaign back to your full time job in the house. look, i said to our staff tonight, i want to pull up any piece of the donald trump rally where he actually talks about a policy position of one of the democratic presidential candidates in an intelligible way with english language sentences that can be followed. there is no such piece in the trump rally tonight. not one policy issue discussed in any way that you can make sense of.
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he spent 15 minutes on four freshmen congress women. >> this will be very much like the mid-terms. when we look back on this point in history, the hardest thing we did was save the country and the way we did that was not go in the mud when donald trump right before the elections was talking about immigration and the caravans. i call them scare vans. health care, health care, health care. they don't have a plan. their plan is subtraction. our plan is addition. we don't have to deviate too far from that. they don't have a plan for health care. he is racist, and by the way, he wants to take your health care. >> this poll saying 65%, 65% of americans think what the president said is racist. 65%. is that an encouraging poll for
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you? >> not really. a lot of times we are willing to say x, y, and z is racist, but the question is what weight does that carry with you if you are not an american of color. what are you willing to say and what action are you willing to take? on that account, i think frankly a lot of us as americans have been remiss. the other number that gets pulled out and you discussed it earlier is that his popularity among his party among republicans has risen. to me that's a more telling number. what it says is that contrary to all of the talk two years ago that he was driven by, they were driven by economic anxiety and populism and all the rest of this stuff, it codifies the fact that what we are seeing is nothing more than and nothing
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less than an appeal to white nationalism that is being soaked up and finding a home in a frighteningly large number of people. 63 million americans in the last election voted for this, knowing what it was. that's the number that stops me and i think should give us all pause. >> what do you expect from the president's campaign now that they see a five-point bump among republicans in his factorability as a result of these attacks? >> we can expect the campaign to continue to use these four women as examples of what they see as what's wrong with american politics. they want to run the campaign and give a face to the democratic party. joe biden being someone who can capture sfats like pennsylvania and michigan and senator harris, they are not in some ways
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radical enough to really make the case. what we are going to see is president trump and the campaign continuing to make the case that they understand that american identity is tied to what the president sees as his way forward. his way forward is going to be talking about race in this way, but talking about these congress women and attacking them. the president has really settled on the idea that race and immigration animates people more than policy and that's how he won in 2016 and how he wants to win in 2020. >> thank you all for starting us off. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> when we come back, are president trump's attacks a political strategy or just an impulse he had for a long time? people have been close to donald trump for a very long time talk about his reflexive racism. you will hear more of that when we come back. yowiu ll hear more of that when we come back [alarm beeping]
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he does have a very long history. he is a racist through and through. he doesn't have to use the n word for it to be clear what he is. >> that is jack o'donnell who is not related to me. he worked for donald trump as the president of the trump plaza hotel and casino. here's more of what jack o'donnell has to say about donald trump. >> i do believe he's a racist. i believe anybody that has spent
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substantial amount of time around him in a casual atmosphere whether business or dinner or lunch, i believe it would be difficult that he wouldn't express these feelings to them over time. i just find it very hard to believe that there are not more people who know him that don't believe exactly what i believe, but for one reason or another are not willing to say it publicly, that he is a racist. >> someone who has spent a substantial amount of time around donald trump. tony, i know you were basically embedded with donald trump for quite a long time, writing that book for him. you presented it as coauthors, but we know you wrote it. what about what jack o'donnell said. anyone who spent time around him knows he is a racist. >> i think the subtler point is
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that he is dismissive of a wide range of people who are not white and rich. so donald trump doesn't like black people. he doesn't like brown people. he doesn't like women. he doesn't like poor people. he doesn't like yous, except to have them as his lawyers and accounta accountants. black people are boxers or football players to him. those are the only ones he pays attention to. he has roles he has for each of these groups meant to serve his majesty. >> we just had this book, american carnage and there is a story about donald trump vetting a possible black nominee for his administration and the way he vetted them was he called up don king, the boxing promoter saying
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what do you think of this guy? >> absolutely. we see who his role models are. he's a coward so he is impressed by a boxer who has a certain courage or by hershel walker who was on the big signing he did when he was running at usfl team. those people stand for something that he can admire. the glad they have brains or hearts or soul. he doesn't know what ha soul is. brains or heart wouldn't occur to him. it's racist, but also sexist. >> he is generally condescending to everyone who is not a trump, basically. this is part of it. let's listen to what michael cohen said in his testimony to congress about this point. >> mr. trump is a racist. the country has seen mr. trump court white supremacists and
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bigots. you have heard him call poor countries shitholes. in private he is even worse. he once asked me to name a country run by a black person that wasn't a shithole. this was when barack obama was president of the united states. while we were once striving through a struggling neighborhood in chicago, he commented that only black people could live that way. he told me that black people would never vote for him because they were too stupid. >> tony, the character he is describing sounds like a guy from queens of his era who never exposed himself to any enlightenment. >> right. the light and donald trump are not words that go in any form. it's almost irrelevant -- i
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don't want to say irrelevant, but from a political perspective, he aroused the feelings of the like minded feelings of racism among as many as 40% of americans. the reality is that if all the people, voters, who donald trump hates and disdains were to come out and vote, it's a landslide. that 40% in effect doesn't matter. it's a minority. it's a horrible minority and he has exacerbated their worst instincts, but it is a minority. what we ought to be focusing on is getting those people who he hates, particularly brown meme because a lot of brown people voted for trump. many more than than black people or women. i don't know about women, but black people voted for trump. it's about getting the people who don't agree with him not
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about waving or hands in upset about the fact that his base is his base. they are immovable and nothing will change that. >> thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. when we come back, president trump says he's not a fan of jeffrey epstein, but he sure looks like a fan in new video of them together in nbc news. that's next. nbc news. that's next. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today. ♪ ♪work so hard give it everything you got♪ ♪strength of a lioness tough as a knot♪ ♪rocking the stage and we're never gonna stop♪
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because donald trump has the most limited vocabulary of any president in history, his assessment of people is fan or
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not a fan. he said this about jeffrey epstein who now faces new sex crimes charges. >> i wasn't a fan. i was not a fan of his. that i can tell you. >> nbc discovered archived video of donald trump appearing to be a fan of jeffrey epstein at a party at donald trump's florida home in 1992. in the video, donald trump is seen greeting jeffrey epstein. surely liooks like a fan there. and hanging with jeffrey epstein when he was not trying to grope the women. looks like a fan there. a federal judge will rule tomorrow on whether he will grant bail to jeffrey epstein. the tiny chance that the judge would grand bail became smaller when the fake passport appeared to be issued by jeffrey
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and powerful executives and foreign presidents. a well-known prime minister and other world leaders. joining our discussion is joyce vance, legal analyst and that reporting in "vanity fair" today is really quite stunning, but i want to begin with what you expect to see in court tomorrow on jeffrey epstein's attempt to secure bail after what we saw unfold with the fake passport this week. it sounds like jeffrey epstein lied to his lawyers about it, saying the passport was never used or much worse for the lawyers, the lawyers lied to the judge about it? . >> that's right. whatever the truth is, epstein's lawyers are on record telling the court he never used the passport when clearly he traveled under it. that's the nail in the coffin
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here. what the judge is called upon to do is a specific statute about detention and said that the judge shall detain the defendant pending trial unless it's clear that he is not a flight risk or danger to the community. once the government establishes by a preponderance of the evidence or that it's more likely than not that he's a flight risk, the judge has to take him into custody. even leaving aside the high likelihood that epstein poses an ongoing danger to the community, he might continue to tamper with witnesses and the flight risk alone would justify holding him. >> let me get you on gabriel sherman's reporting where the lawyer involved with some of the victims in the case is saying all the names are going to come out. those names include leaders of foreign countries and american politicians. it's a stunning list of the
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kinds of people whose names could be revealed through the process. where do you expect the exposure of other people to occur? >> so i think it's always important to not get ready of yourself in this sort of a situation, but david has a lot of credibility in that area. if he is representing what his clients will say when interviewed or publicly sooner, i think it's likely we will begin to see this information come out. if it comes out in the criminal case in the southern district of new york, that could be at trial or may not be relevant. i think we will continue to see reporting though. this is so explosive and given the names that we have already seen connected to epstein and names that we know were contained in his rolodex and phone book, i think there are a lot of people are no the sleeping very well right now. >> before donald trump became what he now calls not a fan of
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jeffrey epstein, he said i have known jeff for 15 years. terrific guy. fun to be with. it is even said he likes beautiful women as much as i do and many of them are on the younger side. it sounds like donald trump knew pretty much what there was to know about jeffrey epstein. >> trump only involves himself with rogues and grifters and sexual abusers. what's ironic about this when david talks about who is going to be exposed in this is that trump has been exposed over and over as a sexual predator and this reinforces the biggest sexual predators. we know that somehow he will not go down in the same way that others will. >> joyce, other people whose
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names might be mentioned might never have been mentioned in connection to anything like this and that's likely to mean more damage to their reputation since the trump reputation is so damaged. >> that's true. certainly he comes to this situation with a lot of baggage, but interesting for anyone involved is the statute that epstein is involved with which is targeting does not have a statute of limitations. anyone involved with epstein that was criminal in nature and being part of his operation and knowing this statute is live and can be used for a conspiracy and obstruction of justice and the apps that epstein is charged with has to be unnerving at this point. >> for donald trump, a guy like jeffrey epstein has two angles of interest. one is the money angle. they are both people with
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mysterious relationships to money. no one has quite figured out how jeffrey epstein made his money. then the access to women which donald trump was always looking for. >> which you see in that video, there are 30 women who he moved, 30 cheerleaders he is moving with his hands all over them. epstein was an expert. i talked about who trump looks up to. i didn't mention putin & other autocrats. also to various roads. jeffrey epstein would be a hero to him at that time. >> a hero? >> meaning this guy can really get girls and really young and beautiful girls. in my mind this guy has got what it takes. >> i will leave it there for tonight. thank you both very much for joining us. rush limbaugh confessed that he
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so come ask, shop, discover at your xfinity store today. remember rush limbaugh? he used to be the person who reliably made the most outrageous comments on the right wing of american politics until donald trump came along. now it's impossible for him to stir controversy in a country
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that makes rush limbaugh seem shy. he was never the leader of his radio audience. he was always their follower which he proved can change so many of the policies and policy positions to become a trump supporter and a half step after his audience became trump supporters. yesterday rush limbaugh offered yet another surrender to trumpism and it came from a caller named douglas in san deag diego to nominate a two-term republican president, that believes in fiscal conservatism. >> trump doesn't care about that, to which rush limbaugh actually said nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. all this talk about the budget
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has been bogus for as long as it has been around. he didn't offer any hint that he was aware that he was confessing to his own. attacking every president to w regard to the national debt. they attack things they used to defend and defend things they used to attack. they impeached president clinton for things that donald trump has outdone. he was an unindicted coconspirator where he committed federal crimes with michael cohen and directed him to help him commit those crimes to win the presidency. the republicans who impeach bill clinton said there is nothing wrng with that and his conduct as president. the current chairman of the senate judiciary committee who was one of the prosecutors of bill clinton in the senate impeachment trial said there is
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nothing in his conduct as a candidate allegedly committing crimes to get elected or conduct as president that is worthy of even a single congressional leader. congressional hearing. conservative columnist george will who left the republican party when donald trump won the republican nomination is worried about what the trump presidency means for our future. here's what he had to say about that in an interview with the "new york times" book review podcast. >> i believe that what this president has done to our culture, to our civic discourse, you cannot unring these bells and you cannot unsay what he has said. and you cannot change that he has now in a very short time made it seem normal for schoolboy taunts and obvious lies to be spun out in a constant stream. i think this will do more lasting damage than richard nixon's surreptitious burglaries did. >> pulitzer prize-winning columnist george will joins us
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michigan congressman justin amash left the republican party two weeks ago and is now an independent. yesterday he voted with the democrats in the house to condemn what president trump said about four democratic members of the house of representatives. and he tweeted this. "if you're a republican, please ask yourself if the party really represents your principles and values. you don't need to become a democrat. simply stand up for what is
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right. america's tradition of liberty is beautiful and it depends on our love and respect for one another." joining our discussion now is george f. will, pulitzer prize-winning syndicated columnist for the "washington post" and the author of the new book "the conservative sensibility." he is also an msnbc political analyst. george, i want to get your reaction to something that lindsey graham just said tonight on fox news about president trump. he said, "from a republican view you don't have a lot to complain about, so i guess republicans no longer have anything to complain about in the national debt or a trillion-dollar deficit or tariffs, and the list goes on. >> well, that's the buck gore such argument that he may be coarsening, he may lie all the time he may discredit the united states all the time but gorsuch. there are very few republicans that seem to have really drunk
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the kool-aid, that is to mean what they say. i'd say mike pence and lindsey graham are the two. the others i think without any affection or respect for the president, which makes what they do in a way worse because what they're doing is saying it's all because we're invertebrate and completely terrified that we're doing this. >> george, your point about how this presidency could be more damaging than the nixon presidency was, please expand on that. >> well, nixon's burglaries were surreptitious. that is, they were done in private. they were hidden because they were against the norms that were not challenged by nixon. he evaded them but didn't challenge them. he didn't refute them. he didn't degrade them. donald trump says, and to be fair to mr. trump he's fulfilling a campaign promise. he promised to overturn the norms and he's doing so. when a president goes overseas and quotes -- he was actually misquoting but that's par for the course. but when he purports to quote the dictator of north korea
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describing a former vice president of the united states, joe biden, as a low i.q. idiot and approves this, that takes him into a realm no president ever before has ventured into. >> you believe that this is behavior that will be imitated post-trump? >> well, you can't unring the bells. you can't unsay what he is saying. and it's amazing to me how fast -- and we saw this in the 20th century in a number of ways. how fast something could go from unthinkable to thinkable to action. and it doesn't seem to me it's going to be easy to just snap back as though this didn't happen. it happened. and he got away with it. and he became president. and there will be emulators. >> i want to get to a specific point of the fiscal conservatism and rush limbaugh saying oh, no one ever believed that. which i personally don't
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believe. when i was working in the is that the, i believed that the republicans across the aisle and democrats actually meant what they were saying about the deficit and the debt. but politically it's very difficult to wrestle with, and in your new book "the conservative sensibility" you quote my old bass daniel patrick moynihan talking about that phrase he used, "civic religion," about minimalist government. and you put it that it is avowed but not constraining, this civic religion. it's one thing to aspire to a certain value in politics and then fail to achieve it. it's something else to say oh, no, no, we never meant that, we don't care about that anymore. that's what rush limbaugh's saying. >> yeah, that said that the talk about balanced budgets was like soviet grain quota totals, that no one believed them even in the soviet union. i think it's possible, lawrence, that the political class is more united by self-interest than it is divided by ideology and the self-interest is that it's in
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everyone's self-interest to give the american people a dollar's worth of government, charge them 80 cents for it. it pleases the public. you shift 20%, 25% or 20% of the government off on the future generations that are unconsenting because they're unborn and we go merrily along. we're about to run a trillion-dollar deficit at more than full employment, at reasonably steady economic growth. what is going to happen, lawrence, when the next recession starts, starts at a trillion-dollar deficit? >> and what is going to happen to republican politics post-trump? if a democrat is sworn in on the next inauguration day, will republicans in the congress immediately return to deficit concerns? >> well, it's going to be interesting. what do the evangelicals, who have worshiped at the golden calf of donald trump, going to say? are they going to snap back into saying character matters in politics? i don't think so.
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the laugh test will be they will flunk. republicans having given us our first trillion-dollar deficit in good economic conditions, can they just snap back? i don't know. jean mckarthy, late senator from massachusetts, ran for senate in 1968, the hero of your fine book on 1968, gene mccarthy once said the washington episode temology is this, anything said three times becomes a fact. and the republicans will now say as the democrats are guilty in their own way, they'll say something three times and decide that it's a fact. >> george, the video replay will show you that slipped massachusetts instead of minnesota, which i know you meant for gene mccarthy. and i just want to correct it here because i know you'd want us to. >> i'll say it three times and make it a fact. >> and there you go. that's the way to do it. george f. will gets tonight's last word. thank you for joining


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