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descending into more and more of this swirl of people stoking up racism, and i know everybody said it on this show, but it's time for people to just pause and say, enough is enough. this is not the way we should be speaking in this country. for some republicans to start standing up to donald trump. >> yes, i think to most republicans serving in washington, it is time. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, mika. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. hope you are ready because we are live from aspen, colorado for the aspen security forum where we are talking trade, national security, and how that viral face app is turning into a national security story. we are digging into elizabeth warren's brand new plan to take on wall street. >> i'm chris jansing in new york. we'll get back to stephanie in that beautiful setting in just a moment. but first, if there was any
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question about where the issue of race would play in the president's re-election campaign that question has been answered. it's right at the heart of it. that much was clear after watching president trump's north carolina rally, which could very well serve as a blueprint for the next 16 months' worth of political rallies. he spent time at the beginning and the end talking up his administration's accomplishments, but at the meat of it, the part that got the biggest cheers, scorched earth politics, painting democrats as socialists who want to destroy america. and when he brought up those four democratic congresswomen, the whole thing got even uglier. here's some of what we saw. >> when you see the four congresswomen oh, isn't that lovely? representative ilhan omar -- omar has a history of launching vicious, anti-semitic screeds.
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[ chanting ] >> send her back! send her back! send her back! >> they're always telling us how to run it, how to do this. you know what? if they don't love it, tell them to leave it. >> i want to go to nbc's peter alexander at the white house. tell me more about this strategy. obviously this rally is squarely aimed at the base. is there any thought about how it plays with other voters? >> reporter: i think what is striking is this didn't really begin as a strategy but has evolved into one for the president. he was effectively following his gut over the weekend when he first tweeted that racist attack about those four congresswomen, the freshmen congress women of color. in the days since the president has gone with this, and we saw it again last night as he was trying to single out each of those four women by name over the course of those attacks, that moment you saw there, the
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send her back, was in response to the president effectively trying to cast them as radical and unamerican, basically saying that these women defined the democratic party at this point. the base of the strategy, the focus of the strategy is on the base, to try to motivate the base. what was striking to me when we saw that rally last night, and i was there for the last rally he held about a month ago in orlando, when the president mentioned hillary clinton nine times last time they did that lock her up chant. in fact, in every rally i've been to i heard that chant. last night when he mentioned hillary clinton by name there was no lock her up. it was this new send her back chant that sort of became the theme of the evening, which was notable to allies and aides of the president, because it shows that new energy, that sort of new rallying cry going forward. what else was striking was the fact that the crowd bought into this as emphasized by the president in his own words. take a listen. >> i keep hearing how much enthusiasm is in the radical
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left. i don't think they have enthusiasm. they're just fighting with each other. we have all of the enthusiasm. >> that was the president last night. the only other key takeaway here, chris, that i would emphasize the white house said their issue is not with immigration but illegal immigration. again last night the president targeted ilhan omar a naturalized american citizen who came here the right way fleeing a war torn somali country when she was a child refugee. >> thank you very much for that. we've got to dig into this. my guest served as assistant to the president and white house cabinet secretary under president obama and is a senior fellow at the university of virginia's miller center. so you're an asian american, son of chinese immigrants. we know about the hostility toward undocumented immigrants, but we cannot forget, i want to
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reiterate what peter just said, this was directed and is directed at people who are american citizens, who just happen to look different than most of trump's base. >> yeah. this is disgusting. there is no other way to put it. as an asian american who has spent his career in public service i certainly heard, myself, people say, go back to your country. i was born in this country. i have served this country, my family has served this country. and to have a president who would condone this kind of behavior and actually see it as a political strategy is nothing more -- nothing you can say other than the fact that this is disgusting. what is important to understand is this kind of conduct is not tolerated in any other setting. if you try to do this in your work place you would be fired. if your child did this in his school he would be sent home. so we're long past the point of this president being a role model but to try to use racism as a political strategy is just -- we've now gone to a
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brand new level, brand new low in this country. >> susan, breitbart's front page shows where sort of this is all going, the headline is "dragon energy returns." explain that. >> scorched earth politics. this is despicable. what scares me even more and i agree with everything that has been said, this is racist, bigoted, unacceptable behavior. what scares me is when then candidate trump came up with the muslim ban there was at least some outrage from republicans. after charlottesville, there was still some outrage from republicans. today i hear crickets from elected officials. >> we just heard from mitch mcconnell, the leader, besides donald trump the leader on capitol hill of the republican party. he tried to suggest that the rhetorical problem is with the democrats, not with the president. let me play what he just said. >> you may not know this, your viewers may not know this, but i
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was there when martin luther king gave that "i have a dream" speech. i was there as an observer when president johnson signed the voting rights act. i've got nothing to apologize for on this front. we ought to tone the rhetoric down across the country, using -- throwing around words like "racism" you know kind of routinely applying it to almost everything. let's talk about the issues. and the issues are, as we talked about in the first discussion here, where they want to take america. they want to take america into a socialist country. >> his answer is that democrats got to stop throwing around words like "racism." >> mitch mcconnell is a disgrace to the office he serves. he is a disgrace to this country. he should know better and he should stand up. if he used his history of where he was it is his obligation not only as an elected official but just as a citizen to say, what is right and what is wrong? and this is clearly wrong.
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let me say something else, chris. people ask me why am i still a republican? it's tough sometimes. but one of the things i'm here as a republican for is because i will remember what happened and i will make sure other people do not forget as they run for office after donald trump because if you didn't speak out against these policies, you are against this country. >> victoria, the president's allies have tried to say this is all about ideology or he is just mad at congress. but i want to touch on what susan just alluded to. this is someone who was accused of anti-black bias as far back as the '60s. he started birtherism. he called mexicans rapists, went after a judge for his heritage. he put white supremacists on par with protesters in charlottesville. can we say this is a political strategy? is it just trump being trump? tell me your view on what we're seeing over the last 12 hours or so. >> right. not just over the last 12 hours,
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chris. i think that over the last couple of years we've seen a very concerted, political strategy, regrettably there has always been a stream, this underbelly of racism in our country. sometimes more blatant. sometimes less so. right now we're in that blatant piece. and trump knows this. and last night we saw that on full display where he was specifically targeting representative omar, who balls up a lot of the things that his base is angry about, all up into one. anti-muslim sentiment, anti-immigrant sentiment, the extremity of the progressive left of the crazy socialist left. so there is a very concerted strategy. and we know this, chris, because yesterday reuters came out with a poll showing that after the tweets were put out this weekend trump's approval among republicans went up. the vast majority of republicans in this poll did not see this as racist comments, and so there's
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a disconnect by what the president is saying, how republicans are seeing it, and what democrats are seeing. so i think for me this is the most problematic but it is not just mitch mcconnell. it's the republican party in general that doesn't see this as racist. >> i want to read from the associated press, quote, not since george wallace's campaign in 1968 has a presidential candidate and certainly not an incumbent president put racial polarization at the center of his call to voters. so is this sustainable? what happens, say, if kamala harris or cory booker becomes the nominee? >> well, look. i think we're in uncharted territory right now and what is important to understand, in 1968 george wallace was running as a third-party candidate not only to have a major party candidate in the president of the united states openly bragging about using this as a strategy, it is troubling. i am troubled by the statistics as well about republicans' approval for the president going up. that being said, i think what we
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saw in 2018 and hopefully what we see as a correction in 2020 is that there is a center, that the independents trump did win in 2016 that abandoned him in 2018 will be completely disgusted by these comments and this strategy and in particular it says suburban voters, educated voters. the women who have been leaving the republican party in droves. this is not going to play well with them at all. >> then on the other side of this, victoria, there have been people arguing, look. the democrats have an awful lot of bark on this but not necessarily a lot of bite, that last night when you watched the impeachment vote you saw that less than a hundred democrats would get behind it. and there's been a lot of criticism about republicans who have been silent or supportive in the face of racist attacks. but what about this sort of pragmatism of democrats and other democrats, politico did a whole article on it, who don't want to be painted as obstructionist. they say, look, we still have to
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do the job of the people. are democrats handling this correctly? >> so, this was actually the piece yesterday in the "new york times" about the divide within the democratic party. there's a fissure and this is something president trump, you know, think what you may of president trump, he is very smart when it comes to strategy, is exploiting that division. so he's trying to kind of make that more progressive base, you know, fired up and running after him, which he then plays to his own republican base, while the moderate democrats, you know, are painted as weak and not knowing what to do. so this is very real. the optimist in me says the debates, the primary system, is going to ultimately work its way out and the democrats will come together and find the best candidate to go up against trump. but it is a little bit worrisome to see the severity of the divisions within the democratic
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party because he is a formidible challenger. the economy is good. he started off his rally touting how strong the economy is. record low unemployment. so there is a big challenge. we can't just assume, oh, trump is crazy. he's below 50% in his approval ratings. he is very strong and, you know, vegas money would be on him getting re-elected. >> one of the things he said last night, we're the party that is united. it is the democrats who are divided. chris, it wasn't even two weeks ago speaker pelosi told maureen dowd that members of the squad essentially had no following dismissing them essentially as just four votes, they've just got four votes like anybody else. now they have this incredible national platform and i wonder, will it make it harder for the party going ahead, the democratic party, to be united? or might it actually back fire and bring what had been some fissures -- bring the democrats together? >> you know, look. i think it might bring democrats together. i think i would rather be part of a party that hasid logical
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divides than one that voted against a resolution that condemned the president with only four republicans voting the other way. so i think these ideological divisions are a good thing and i think it's right. a lot of this will get sorted out during the primary process. >> thanks to all of you on a very important discussion. coming up, just over 90 minutes from now the judge is expected to release the warrant surrounding michael cohen's hush money payment to porn stars. what you should be looking for when they come out. up next elizabeth warren out with a new plan this morning taking direct aim at wall street and private equity firms. hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief...
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welcome back. i am stephanie ruhle. here in aspen, colorado for the annual aspen security forum and this morning the candidate with a plan for everything is out with another one. this time aimed at a very familiar target. wall street. you know i'm talking elizabeth warren. she is in iowa where she is rolling out a new proposal that in her own words will, quote, rein in the financial industry so it stops sucking money out of the rest of the economy.
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joining the conversation my dear friend john harwood cnbc editor at large. walk us through this and help us understand elizabeth warren's gnaw propos new proposal? how does she plan to do it? >> steph, you know for months warren has been laying out plans to tell average americans i have ways to restructure the american economy, to benefit you and prevent people at the top from sucking money out. some of those have to do with the way corporations are run. today it's about wall street in particular private equity. what she is targeting are firms that acquire other firms and then take money out of that and discard the rest. she has a proposal that would require private equity firms that take over companies to be responsible for the debts, the pension obligations that they have. she has new restrictions on the amount of fees and dividends and bonuses that executives who acquire companies can pay themselves. she wants to restore the
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glass/siegel line between investment banking and commercial banking to prevent speculative investment. she wants to put investment managers on the hook for losses as well as gains that currently generate bonuses but they don't often get the down side risk. and then, finally, to help average families, she wants to engage the u.s. postal service to partner with credit unions and community banks to try to offer low cost checking and savings accounts for the one-quarter of american population that does not have banking services at the moment. that's what she is laying out along with one of her rivals for the democratic nomination, this comes less than two weeks of course before the second series of democratic debates and we'll see whether she can get some traction on this. elizabeth warren has been doing pretty well so far. >> let's bring dan nathan into the conversation principal at risk reversal advisers and a cnbc contributor. what is your take on this plan?
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thus far we've heard bernie sanders for years say let's take on wall street. let's make them pay. but saying wall street is a really vague term. she has actual specifics. what is your take? >> it is a pretty wide swath. here's the thing. i think there are some things in this plan and obviously it just rolled out right here and she is doing this now to set her own agenda a couple weeks before the second debate. you know, i think taking on wall street, reintroducing things like glass/steagall, i don't think it is a great way to get a bunch of momentum on a populace, economic message. to me what is more interesting are the latter parts of this organization trying to help out the average american worker and kind of just get them into the financial services, or get them banks, get them service. to me, i think going after private equity and wall street is not the sort of thing that is going to gain her campaign momentum at least from a fundraising standpoint. stick to the economic stuff, the
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progressive stuff that actually polls very well among americans. >> but, dan, it is not like elizabeth warren was holding a fundraiser at steve schwartzman's house and asking for a big check from leon black. her brand is to be anti-wall street. so for her to go with the plan like this, doesn't it stay with exactly what she has always done? >> i think she can do that among a base of 24 people running for president on the democratic side and if she is going to get that nomination she'll need wall street people to kind of start hosting her and bundling and fundraising. to me, i just think these are kind of some catchy headlines right now especially when she is being labeled as this far left kind of radical person but ultimately if she is going to get the nomination she has to move this economic plan more toward the center. >> steph, you and dan -- >> talking glass/steagall -- yes? >> you and dan both know this world, the wall street world better than i do. i'm curious as to what both of you guys think as to if you make private equity investments less profitable, can you do that
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without harming economic growth? >> well, the deals look different. it's that simple. >> and, john, just think about this for a moment. president trump didn't have wall street's vote in the last election. hillary clinton did. if elizabeth warren gets the nomination, going with a plan like this, is she saying to the wall street vote, go vote for president trump? if she is, does that matter? >> no, i don't think it makes all that much difference. the general thrust of her campaign is one that is not friendly to wall street. so that was already said. i don't think this changes it all that much. of course she is putting out so many plans at the moment that gives voters a way of fathoming what she would want to do for the country but of course many of these things are not going to be ultimately enacted. we know this plan can't be enacted in the next two years but if democrats should take over the senate, warren becomes
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the president, there is a chance that some variant of all of the things she has laid out may move forward, and so then the question is, what's the substantive impact? what does it do? does it actually succeed in redirecting national income to people in the middle, and the bottom from people at the top? that -- >> does it matter at a time when the president is painting anyone with a progressive agenda as a far left socialist? >> i think that is a pretty low bar to jump over. i think she is very much more favorable than bernie sanders and i just think it really is important to remember this. okay? right now they know, the democrats know what they're running against. they're running against deregulation, running against tax cuts, higher deficits because of all of that. what the whole democratic field is trying to do is offer an alternative to that. this is exactly where they should be having this debate right now. get the radical ideas out there. we know there is a lot of stuff
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on the far left that really spooks a lot of americans. it smoopooks bankers. they have to move some of this progressive agenda to the middle and i suspect especially the way warren is polling right now is going that way. >> but is she missing one thing? wall street isn't just hedge fund managers and money managers. it is firefighters and police officers, their pensions and their 401(k)s. they want to protect the stock market, too. >> that's what she wants to do. remember? she created the -- >> but they aren't articulating that here. >> i think she just rolled out this plan and i just think she has to differentiate from the bernie kind of support level there and kind of move this argument a little bit to the center. and by the time we're ready to pick a nominee for the democratic party i suspect some of the things we think are radical right now at least as far as the economic agenda will be right there in the center especially then when it's juxtaposed to what's gone on with the trump administration for the last few years. >> reminder, there is only one candidate running who calls
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himself a democratic socialist. that is bernie sanders. elizabeth warren says she is a capitalist for good business. john harwood, dan nathan, thank you both so much. up next we have got to get back to the president's rally last night. how did we get to this point? plus, why that viral app that can age your face younger or older might actually be a national security risk. johnson & johnson is a baby company. but we're also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. from the day you're born
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omar has a history of launching vicious, anti-semitic screeds. [ chanting ] >> send her back. send her back. send her back. >> i'm stephanie ruhle live in aspen, colorado for the aspen security forum and what you saw was a crowd at a trump rally in north carolina last night chanting, send her back, about congresswoman ilhan omar. joining the conversation my guests. and ben rhodes an msnbc contributor and former adviser to the obama white house.
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your reaction? >> look, i think it is pretty evident what trump's re-election strategy is going to be. particularly over the next two years the democrats control the house. he has no real legislative agenda right? what is he going to run on? he'll try to stoke up the fears and grievances of his base. he'll try to make the people he thinks are most unacceptable to his base, the face of the democratic party. that's these four women of color in the democratic caucus. he is going to try to gin up turnout on his side by having rallies like this. >> will that work for women who have been in office for six months who a week ago nancy pelosi was basically telling maureen dowd, these are just four votes. they're not the voice of the party. >> look, stephanie, i think what donald trump has accomplished is he has unified house democrats. previously there were some issues about a small number of house freshmen mostly who were concerned about the direction that the caucus was going and, look. donald trump through basically a few tweets and through crazy
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statements and rallies like this, which is basically his brand of white nationalism, has unified democrats. i, personally, was offended by some of the things that congresswoman omar said previously. i did take offense to that. but honestly what i'm more offended by and what i'm prepared to defend is the fact that his attack on her is completely unamerican. it is, in essence, white nationalism. >> but standing by these four democrats as you have seen the entire party do this week, they're not talking green new deal. they're not talking policy. they're talking about humanity, decency, protecting the first amendment. >> yeah. but i think the democrats have something very tough that they have to carry out over the next few years which is they have to do both. if they're not seeing us standing up for basic american values and racist attacks against these four women they'll alienate the supporters they need knocking on doors. they'll alienate young people and people of color at the base of the democratic party. at the same time they have to prosecute an argument against trump that is based on day-to-day issues, based on
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health care, based on the fact he said he'd look out for working people and instead he has rewarded corporations right? they have to do both. the reality though is he may want these women to be his antagonists. the democrats are going to have a nominee. like he'll have somebody facing him who is not one of these four people who he has to make that argument. it is going to be tough and i think the key for the democrats is don't let trump drive what you're talking about every single day. in 2018 we saw them do this well. there was a focus on health care. >> the midterm. >> a focus on pocketbook issues but they were also able to get greater turnout from young people by saying they were going to stand up for basic values. it is a tricky thing in politics but they have to do both. >> can we just pause for a second and contemplate this idea that in a rally for a presidential candidate the current president, they're saying, send her back? i mean, the woman is an american congresswoman. send her back to where? to her district? it makes no sense. for him to lead people to believe that she is somehow a foreigner, that she is
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unamerican, she is undeserving, this is the essence of xenophobia and racism. >> do you actually see danger around things like this happening? when you think of the violence last year. in the state of maryland you had a coast guard member with an arsenal ready to go. when the president stands there and whether it was his words or not, leans back as the crowd roars, send her back, what does that do? >> so i can tell you, when we were in the white house, whenever there was a spike around birtherism or something like that, there were real concerns about president obama's safety. the president of the united states, the full force of the secret service protecting him. right? we all know house members have no security. they're walking around between votes. they're flying commercial. and we know for a fact that he is gining up very significant hate in this country and racism directed at people like ilhan omar in this country by portraying her as a threat to the united states. there is no reason not to think that somewhere out there, there is somebody, just look at the crowds at those rallies.
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imagine what some people consuming those rallies online are thinking. if we are in a world where something is attempted against ilhan omar or one of these other women we are in an entirely different moment. this is no longer just debating back-and-forth politics. we could be in an incredibly dangerous moment in this country if we see one of his supporters act on this. >> what he is doing is playing with fire. he is doing something incredibly dangerous. if ben is right and i know -- >> he's always played with fire. that's how he won. >> this is taking it to a new level, stephanie, because he is inciting people to a level of hate that really breeds violence. he is calling his people in his rally to action. to send her back is a physical act. i think we're really on the border of something incredibly concerning. >> gentlemen, thank you both so much. we're talking national security all day here at the aspen security summit. thank you both. next, did millions of americans
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what we're comfortable with. if you don't want your pictures all over the planet don't put them in a place where they can be put all over the planet. that makes it hard unfortunately to do the things we want to do, which is share those pictures with loved ones, post them for our friends and families, etcetera. but what we can do is be more aware in terms of understanding what these companies can actually do with our data. >> is this new? suddenly midnight last night nick is calling his wife saying, delete the app. but we upload this stuff all day long. >> yes and no it's new. we learned some of this with facebook where everybody learned that a lot of their privacy was not necessarily being kept in a way that they thought it was. that things, you know, there were various things that people sign on to social media sites or other apps and they don't really know the details of what they're getting into. part of it, i agree with nick, is on us to know what those details are but, also, on the company to be more transparent. and the thing that is interesting about this is how quickly it all kind of changed and everybody -- the awareness, you know, happened in a rather
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rapid speed compared to some of the other social media or apps sites that have had these sorts of issues in the past. >> how could it really be used against us? now we are saying this is a national security risk. how is it a national security risk, a picture of me looking like magda from "something about mary?" embarrassing. >> it is probably a reach at this point to say it is a true national security risk but anything that involves the aggregation of millions and millions and millions of bytes of data is something that can potentially be used by an adversary. to carol's point, yes, transparency on the part of the companies, not just russian companies but american companies is great but i think we've also learned you can't always take at face value that which comes out of the companies when they talk about how the data will ultimately be used. >> no pun intended on face value. let's talk national security and the administration. we have a record number of positions unfilled. the president says no big deal. i can do it and i alone. how does the world see that? what do people here in aspen who
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are specifically here to focus on national security think? >> well, actually if you talk to people here, there are different views. some people think that's a good idea. some people who don't like the president's policies, you know, think the fewer people that are there the less they can execute and get done. so that is one view. another view is that, you know, when you don't have these various positions filled and there are a number of big, national security issues out there, it is really hard to do things. for instance, they're trying to renegotiate a nuclear treaty with russia. who is going to do that? how is that going to happen? you know, and do they have the kinds of people around to execute something like that? you've got iran, north korea, china. so there is a real question about whether, in the next, you know, 18 months or whatever it is, this administration, given the number of positions that aren't filled, is going to be able to tackle a number of really big issues. >> our national security community and our intelligence community, it's filled with talented, capable people.
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but they need leadership. and when they don't have people in leadership positions, we're often just left in a holding pattern. on some policy areas as carol said that may be a good outcome right now. but what it also means is that we're in a sense frozen in place a lot of the time right now. >> what do you think though, you personally? >> some of this is natural in the life cycle of an administration. as you get to year three of an administration, a lot of the first term people who came with the president are moving on to their next job or moving out of the government. >> that's not what we're seeing. >> i understand that. >> dan coats, his job is at risk because at this forum last year is where we heard him dissent from the president in terms of russia. >> and i hope the reporting that has been out there about dan coats' future is inaccurate because i think he is doing a great job and i hope for the country's sake he is allowed to continue in the job. but it's also as i said just a bit of a natural phenomena when you are two or three years into an administration that things are going to turn over. what is different with this administration is they won't get people in for the remainder of the administration.
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>> all right. nick, carol, thank you both so much. we have a lot more to cover here in aspen. but next, in just over an hour, registered sex offender jeffrey epstein. we'll find out if he will be able to post bail or not. this as prosecutors reveal more shocking details about what they say was found in an additional safe, not the original. in another safe in his manhattan mansion. it's a reminder of your struggles with psoriasis. but what if your psoriasis symptoms didn't follow you around? that's why there's ilumya. with just 2 doses, a majority of people were clear or almost clear. and over time, even more people were clear or almost clear. all with dosing 4 times a year... after 2 initial doses. plus, ilumya was shown to have similar risks of infections compared to placebo. don't use if you are allergic to ilumya or any of its ingredients.
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i'm chris jansing here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. we'll go back to stephanie ruhle in aspen in just a bit. in less than two hours a judge here in new york will decide whether registered sex offender jeffrey epstein will be released from jail on bail. epstein of course pleading not guilty to conspiracy and sex trafficking charges that were brought by the u.s. attorney's office in manhattan. earlier this week prosecutors urged the judge to deny bail for the 6 #of-year-old, saying he's a flight risk. they also revealed that investigators discovered a safe in epstein's $56 million manhattan mansion, which they say contained piles of cash, diamonds, and an expired foreign passport with his picture but a different name. his residence, listed as saudi arabia.
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since then we've learned details about this video from 1992 showing president trump with epstein, watching and commenting on women at a party in mar-a-lago. nfl cheerleaders danced among the crowd. the representing palm beach where epstein received that controversial plea deal more than a decade ago. overseen by soon to be former labor secretary alex acosta. it is good to see you. we have a lot to talk about. back to the original plea deal. you know this well. epstein spent 30 months in jail but allowed to leave six days a week on work release. what would be your message to
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the judge who is about to decide about bail for epstein? >> i think my sentiment is shared by many. jeffrey epstein should be in prison now. he allegedly -- i think there's very good evidence that he molested more than 80 young girls. probably many more. i think that's probably the tip of the iceberg. he should be serving a lifetime prison sentence right now. i know maybe the judge doesn't take that into account, but that's my opinion. >> we've learned several new details. on monday there was a bail hearing, prosecutors talk about this, this safe that was found in epstein's mansion and in addition the attorney for one of epstein's victims says during his work release while cesc in the county jail, the sentence he got as part of that deal, women visited epstein or females i should say visited epstein for,
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quote, sexual contact. congresswoman, what do you make of these new allegations? >> that's not all. first, i want to say thank you for having me today. that's not all. i believe there's evidence that he paid thousands of thousands of dollars to witnesses to keep them quiet. so this whole situation to me is an example of power and money overwhelming the justice system. and we have to get to the bottom of it. there's so many unanswered questio questions. i think we're all grateful the prosecutors in new york are now charging jeffrey epstein -- once again charging him with child molestation. i know the community is asking why, why did he get this deal in the first place, the deal in florida, why were people given immunity. i'd like to know who was given
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immunity. why were victims not told about the plea deal. why in the world did he get such a light sentence and then allowed to go on work release when no other sex offenders are allowed to go on work release. lots of unanswered questions that the community is demanding answers to. >> as we wait for an answer on bail, i do want to ask you about president trump's rally in north carolina where he continued his attacks on four of your colleagues, four democratic congresswomen of color. here is how the crowd reacted. i want to play that. >> omar has a history of launching vicious antisemitic screeds. >> send her back send her back. >> send her back. what goes through your mind when you hear that? >> well, to me, you know, a lot of what the president said has
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not only been vile and bigoted, but i think he is inciting violence. i haven't agreed with everything omar said, i don't agree with everything all my colleagues say. we have our own opinions. sometimes we vote differently on things. but this is not the american way. i am fearful for what they call the squad, i'm fearful for their lives. the president, he's not only with his bigoted language causing concern for people's lives, he's distracting everybody from the real work of congress right now. today we're going to pass legislation to raise the minimum wa wage. give over 33 million people raises if mitch mcconnell will take up our legislation. we're doing a lot of good things here. the president is distracting. >> congresswoman lois frankel,
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we're back here in aspen. guess who we have to talk about, michael cohen. yes, the president's fixer. yes, he's still in jail. yes, he's in the headlines. our top investigator here, michael cohen, why?
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>> today why, because a judge decided the search warrants, which is previously unsealed. >> sealed. >> made open to the public. previously sealed. he's seen him before. what we're going to get today, the redacted part. >> unredacted. >> unredacted. names will be flamed. we'll have theability to get a narrative as to why the fbi had reason to go into michael cohen's office, home, hotel room and what they were looking on at the time they were working on this. i think we'll get a lot more narrative. >> why would the judge unseal them now? >> press organizations like them to. those are the types of materials that can be unsealed, made public. something we have a right to access and view. we have a right to see them. >> big deal, jeffrey epstein, michael cohen and all things politics.
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tom winter, thank you so much. thank you for joining us this hour. it wraps us up here. chris jansing, thank you. coming up now, more news with my friend and colleague hallie jackson. >> enjoy your time out west. the chant plenty loud but hard to hear for a lot of democrats. appalled and shaken by what a fired up crowd yelled at the rally as he zeroed in on congresswoman omar. >> omar has a history of launching vicious, antisemitic screeds. >> omar left war-torn somalia as a child. the chants, send her back, chilling and horrifying. the president might pick a different word to describe all of this. maybe winning. he's leaning in


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