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that wraps up this hour. coming up, more news with. >> and i'm in for hallie jackson. impeachment battle shrines are being sharpened after robert mueller's marathon testimony on capitol hill. republicans say that it is time to move on. but house speaker nancy pelosi saying now not ruling out impeachment. >> it is the crossing of a threshold in terms of the public awareness of what happened and how it con forms to the wall or not. >> it is time that america turns the page. it is time for america to move forward. the democrats have to stop
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wasting time and trying to have a do-over of the 2016 presidential election. >> so we are expecting to hear from speaker pelosi and democratic leadership in moments. both are facing new pressure to start the impeachment proceedings. our team of reporters is here with the latest reaction and today's big story. let's start in washington, d.c. leeann caldwell and geoff bennett for us. we're expecting to hear from the leaders of the house shortly. if nancy pelosi -- we'll see if nancy pelosi has more to say on this issue of impeachment moving forward. but she did seem to crack the door open a little more on the subject even if she is at odds with you you addition arjudicia nadler. >> and so one thing that republicans are saying is that the mueller testimony yesterday was an ending point in this investigation. democrats meanwhile are united
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on one point and that is that it is definitely not that, not the ending point. there is some reporting out there that says that jerry nadler the chair of the judiciary committee and house speaker nancy pelosi in a closed door meeting were at odds on this issue of impeachment, that pelosi rebuffed nadler who talked about it. our reporting says that was more of a technical discussion, that they weren't in such extreme agreement as what some are reporting. and what we also have is that what nancy pelosi told her members in this closed door meeting, she was extremely clear, more clear than she's been in the past, that it is up to each individual member on where they stand on impeachment, that they have to follow their conscience and go home and talk to their constituents. now publicly the speaker is maintaining that she wants the strongest case possible before impeachment proceedings begin. here is what she had to say just
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last night. >> we'll have to go -- the fact that why i'd like to be a strong case because it is based on the facts. the facts and the law. that is what matters. not politics, not partisan ship, just patriotism. >> and so she is determined to continue these investigations into the president -- or the judiciary committee just this week is going to court hoping to get some grand jury testimony from the mueller investigation regarding don mcgahn, a close adviser to the president who played a key role in this mueller investigation. and also we're told by members that they are open to coming back in august to hold hearings, to be active, to continue this investigation. that is not set yet, but these discussions are happening. and so impeachment not going to
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happen imminently, but these investigations are going to continue definitely. >> all right. leeann caldwell, thank you very much. now over to geoff bennett at the white house. and what we're hearing from the president and his team this morning. what more can you tell you about that? >> reporter: for the president, it is back to business as usual. the president was up early this morning live tweeting fox and friends as he so often does. he is touting the stock market, the jobs numbers. it is as if the entire country did not hear the former special counsel layout all the damning assertion under questioning from democratic and republican lawmakers. robert mueller talking about the ways that donald trump sought to limit the scope of the russia investigation asthma clear in his 448 page report. robert mueller talking about how problematic it wasclear in his 448 page report. robert mueller talking about how problematic it was that the candidate courted wikileaks, making it clear that president trump could technically be brought up on charges once he
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leaves office. the president is completely unmoved by any of that. and look, when we think about the current moment, i think our friends at the first read team have perfectly defined and distilled what is happening. they say two things can be true. it was damaging to trump contradicting his claimings and defenses about the russia probe and it all but closed the door on the likelihood of democrats impeaching the president given the congressional hath. math. so the fact that the hearing wasn't the tipping point that some democrats had hoped in getting house leadership onboard with opening pooemimpeachment proceedings, donald trump called the entire hearing a disaster. but here is a sense of what the president had to say to us reporters yesterday. >> bob mueller was trying to defend the indefensible, that report was incoherent as written
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and it was worse as played out on live tv. i mean it was a terrible, terrible waste of taxpayer money in my view on a whole host of levels. >> reporter: so that was actually the president's lawyer jay sekulow doing the president's bidding there on fox news. but you tthe bottom line is thi people here at the white house believe yesterday's testimony from robert mueller basically left most people feeling the way that they already did about president trump. and that is a battle this white house thinks that they know how to fight because they have been doing it for the last two years. >> all right. geoff bennett live at the white house. and we're following the comments by speaker pelosi and we'll bring any news of those comments to you when and if they do happen. let's bring in matt getz and member of the judiciary committee. thank you very much for joining us. let me start by playing for you, sir, instances where the former
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special counsel directly contradicted president trump on the russia probe. watch this. >> i have president putin, he just said that it is not russia. >> they are doing it as we sit here. >> it is not an interference. they have information. i think i'd take it. >> i hope this is not the new normal, but i fear it is. >> this just came out. wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> how do you react to that? >> well, probably -- problematic is an understatement. >> whole big fat hoax. just a hoax. >> it was not a hoax. >> it is a total witch hunt. >> it is not a witch hunt. >> so you heard there bob mueller contradicting the president on several points. democrats may not have gotten their, quote, smoking gun moment, but wouldn't you also agree that what we just heard there from robert mueller is damaging to the president as well? >> disagreeing with robert mueller isn't an impeach bl offense. let's remember where the goalposts were at the beginning of the week adam schiff said that robert mueller would be
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breathing life into the mueller report. instead what you saw yesterday was robert mueller sucking the life out of the impeachment movement all together. republicans are very happy with how it went. there seemed to be no new information and when you heard speaker pelosi earlier in your broadcast say we have to wait to build a strong case, it seems to pre-suppose that the case right now isn't strong. the fact that they have to continue their investigative activities seems to suggest that democrats do not believe that that there is sufficient evidence in the mueller report or from mueller's testimony yesterday to impeach the president and by the way six out of ten americans agree with them. nothing that you saw yesterday is going to change the lying political dynamic which is that the country wants the house democratic majority to move on. >> so on one hand the republicans and president tout the fact that the mueller report has exonerated him but at the same time, you attacked mueller, you attacked the report, you questioned its credibility and
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here we are at a point that you can't have it both ways. how do you use the report to make the claim that the president has been exonerated and at the same time you're he questioning the credibility of that very same report? >> i was questioning the choices made by the mueller team to highlight certain contacts within their purview and then ignore others. here is what i still don't understand. how is it within robert mueller's purview to write 3500 pages when a russian lawyer meets with the trump team and then it is outside of robert mueller's purview to make any mention of the very same russian lawyer meeting with democrat operatives the day before and the day after she met with the trump team? so those choices are worthy of criticism even though at the end of the day robert mueller does clear the president on the issue of a criminal conspiracy with the russian federation and made no decision on obstruction. that decision had to be made by someone, so it was made by the attorney general and deputy attorney general. so no charges against the
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president, no articles of impeachment, just a lot of democrats -- >> and if i may say that is very questionable the way the attorney general and deputy attorney general decided not to bring those charges. >> questionable to who? he is the head of the department of justice. >> very questionable members on the other side of the aisle would disagree with the way bob barr handled that. >> i think they didn't just like the result. >> doug collins has called for hearings on russian meddling in our election. i want to get your thoughts. do you agree with the findings of the mueller report that russia interfered in our election and continues to come do so? >> yes, and one of the reasons why i've joined in bipartisan legislation to create better connectivity among our supervisors of elections, departments of state and homeland security. rush that is not our friend. they are a malign actor. they view our election system as a vulnerability and i am
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grateful that there are republicans and democrats working together on nonpartisan solutions to this growing challenge. >> but you voted against the election security bill last month. >> no, that bill had a lot more in it. that was like the democrat guaranteed re-election bill. there is other legislation that has broader bipartisan support that doesn't engage in some of the -- >> you say that russia is a malign actor and you want to hold them accountable. the leader of your party, the president, said he would possibly welcome information from the russians in the 2020 election. >> yeah, i think that was one interpretation of his remarks. later he clarified in the same paragraph that you are citing, the president said that he would probably refer that information to the fbi as well. >> he didn't do it in 2016. >> so i think that -- it is a different time. we know more now about russia's malign activity. and remember it was the obama administration that made a
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strategic choice not to swear -- >> and it was mitch mcconnell who didn't want to act on the threats brought forward by the obama administration. >> i'm not here to defend mitch mcconnell. i'm here to --but you're making the case that -- >> i said i'm taking the russia threat seriously and we're taking bipartisan activity here and i do see people in the department of hoeof homeland se that are working with our officials. >> and so explain why you voted against the election security bill. >> i think it went too far in federalizing elections. i think the far more sensible approach is the one that has emanated from the leader of the blue dog democrat caucus, stephanie murphy, that didn't put the heavy hand of the federal government on our state and local partners but encourages them to collaborate with us on the challenges that they see and face about and ensuring that we have more accurate reporting. if we have accurate reporting, we'll be able to ensure the integrity of the vote which i
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think is the concern of most americans. >> and your thoughts on one refugee issu final issue. the budget. it would raise the debt ceiling. president trump tweet iing that house republicans should support the two year budget agreement which greatly helps our military and our vets. i'm totally with you. explain this one to us. because republicans position themselves as fiscally responsible hawkish on large deficits and large debt. this is going to do exactly that, it is going to expand the deficit and debt. are you going to support it? >> no, i'm not. i appreciate that the president wants to prioritize our military and our veterans. no member of congress represents more troops than i do. so i'm very grateful for that. but we should not be sucking a trillion dollars out of the national economy to fund the largess of government. sicke sickest bipartisanship that we get is when they hold hands to
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shuttle the challenges on to the next generation. so i'm not going to vote for it. it is a bad deal. >> are you going to tell the president to veto it? >> mr. president, this is a bad budget and i'm not going to support it. >> all right. congressman, thank you for your time. later this hour, denny heck will be joining us for more on all of this. let's bring in ambassador mcfaul. he is now an nbc analyst. and also nalgsle tional securit reporter and also our legal analyst. ambassador, complete begin with you and your key takeaways especially when it comes to what we've been discussing, that robert mueller said russia continues and will attempt to meddle in our election going forward. and it is clear by most objective analysis we're not prepared for it. >> i agree.
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i mean, we've been talking about this for three years now. most people that look at this sli seriously know that theft capability to interfere in our elections. they may have the intention. we don't know that yet. and we have done almost nothing, i want to underscore that, almost nothing to enhance the resilience of our electoral infrastructure, to enhance our ability to detect disinformation on the platforms. and i want to remind everybody, it is july 2019. and we are still talking about getting bills out of various committees. michl mcconnell has done next to nothing to enhance our electoral security. and i just think that that is a crying shame. >> seems that we're playing politics with our election security especially when you hear the congressman say that there are reasons why he voted against the election security bill last month. matt, you've been writing about this, and you point out an instant where robert mueller
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talked about the danger posed to our elections by foreign actors. let me play you that. >> it was not a hoax. the indictments we returned against the russians, two different ones, were substantial in their scope, using that scope word again. and i think we have underplayed to a certain extent that aspect of our investigation that has and would have long term damage to the united states that we need to move quickly to address. >> talk to us about the impact that it might have. >> robert mueller didn't want to testify before congress yesterday. but once dragged there, it felt like he wanted to make one central point. it wasn't on obstruction. it was that russia is still to this day, at this very moment, trying to miss with our elections. and other foreign actors potentially are trying to mess with our
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really need to get focused on that. i think in that second hearing, you really saw him sharpen his tone, become a lot more aggressive. and it is because he wanted to getting across to the nation he feels like we're not focused enough on the threat that russia poses to our . president who is the very least willing to hear them out and he finds that to be unacceptable. i felt like that was the point robert mueller was trying to make yesterday above all others. >> mimi, jonathan allen wrote a piece on essentially saying that mueller left impeachment bread crumbs. is it enough to create momentum for impeachment especially after you hear about some of the internal deliberations within the democratic caucus? >> well, i think that it should be enough. and you know, i know again many people have said this, yesterday wasn't flashy, but
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substantively, there is more than enough. i'm even putting aside the fact that this president has already been implicated in a serious felony in the southern district of new york by his own justice department. but yesterday what came out i would add to what matt just said, it is not just that robert mueller made the point that the russians are at it again. he also very strongly made the point thanks to adam schiff that what the president's campaign did in welcoming that foreign interference was unethical, unamerican and undemocratic. and could be a crime. the elements weren't met here is what his report says, but it could be a crime. if that doesn't rise to the level of impeachment, i don't know what does. and on obstruction, again, i know that he was more reluctant there, but the congress got him to walk through -- the committee got him to walk through several instances where the elements are met.
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and he won't say it, but 1,000 former federal prosecutors including myself have, if he weren't the president, he would be prosecuted for that. so they should at least be having impeachment hearings on that. >> all right. mimi, michael and matt, thank you all for your time. you are looking at live pictures of the national urban league conference taking amy klobuchar is on stage now and joe biden is also there today along with another candidate who is ramping up efforts to take him todown. jeffrey epstein found injured inside his jail cell. were the marks around his neck a you suicide attempt, or an attack? stay with us. or an attack stay with us (vo) parents have a way of imagining the worst...
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the 66-year-old financier was found injured in his jail cell correspond to sources. he was barely conscious and had marks around his neck. stephanie, investigators are trying to determine whether he attempted suicide or was attacked by another inmate or are what happened to him. >> and the other theory is that he actually did this to himself, not to kill himself, but rather to try to get transferred somewhere, someplace a little nicer than the mcc which is notoriously tough place to be.
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this incident happens just days after a judge withheld bail for jeffrey epstein. investigators say that they are trying to figure out what happened. >> reporter: this morning conflicting accounts about what took place inside jeffrey epstein's jail cell. sources close to the investigation say that he was found in a secure area of the metropolitan correctional center, semi conscious in a fetal position with marks on his neck. two sources say epstein tried to hang himself with a third person noting the injuries were not serious and may have been an attempt to be transferred to another facility. but the possibility that epstein was attacked by someone else is also being looked at. another inmate a former police officer charged with murder was questioned according to a fourth source. an attorney for that inmate says that his client had no involvement. this week epstein's attorneys appealed the decision to keep the wealthy finance seer at the
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jail until his trial. two of his alleged victims spoke in court. >> he will never stop sexually abusing children until he is in jail. >> reporter: epstein fought for house arrest at his $77 million new york city mansion. his current home, a temporary high security stop for hundreds of inmates including accused terrorists and white collar criminals. another former inmate at the jail, el chapo, recently described his detention there as torture and inhumane. epstein has been there since his arrest. the 66-year-old has pleaded not guilty to federal sex trafficking and conspiracy charges. he faces up to 45 years in prison if convicted. >> we've reached out to epstein's attorneys and they haven't gotten back to us to comments. >> stephanie, thank you for that reporting. up next, mueller fails to fuel the calls for impeachment, so
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the justice department. the attorney general william barr saying that the federal government will resume the death punishment after nearly two decades. let's bring in pete williams with more. pete, what do we know? >> the attorney general says that he is ordering a change in the lethal injections system used for prisoners at the terre haute prison where the federal death penalty has been carried out by lethal injection. and he has ordered the government to resume the death penalty and has -- bureau of prisons says that it will seek to execute prisoners that are on death row, five of them for especially grisly or heinous murders. and the first of these executions would begin in december and others would continue into january.
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the federal government has long had the death sentence, but there is only three people that have been put to death in the federal system since the death penalty was reimpose in the modern era after the supreme court stopped it in the 1970s. the last federal execution was in 2003, only three people carried out that death sentence, but 60 prisoners on death row. so these five that have been scheduled to receive lethal injection all have exhausted their legal appeals. many of the others on death row have not. for example dzhokhar tsarnaev, his lawyers are still challenging some of the circumstances of his trial. but what has held up the death penalty nationwide in many states and certainly in the federal system is legal challenges over the traditional three drug protocol, some have argued that if the drugs are not given in exactly the right dosage, it causes excruciating
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pain before the heart is stopped. and what barr has ordered the bureau of prisons to do is change its protocols and use just a single drug to carry out the death penalty, a single drug that many states are now switching to. so this is a move sort of counter to what has been the trend in the states, against the death penalty and against the death sentence, but remains legal, it remains something that attorneys general under both republican and democratic administrations have approved the death sentence especially in serious cases. and attorney general barr says that given its legality and given the way to do it that will avoid some of the legal challenges over the three drug protocol, it is time to restart it in the federal system. >> all right. pete williams, live in d.c. for us. thanks. back now to capitol hill and with robert mueller's testimony in the rearview mirror, the key
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question facing democrats today, what is next. that is something nancy pelosi who has held off calls to begin impeachment proceedings did not talk about outside the capitol in just the past few minutes. democratic congressman denny heck is joining me. he sits on the intelligence committee and questioned mueller in yesterday's hearing. congressman, before we get to mueller's developments yesterday and impeachment, i want to get your reaction first of all to the decision by william barr to go ahead with reinstating if you will the death penalty with these new amendments to the bur prisons. >> i've had quite a personal journey with respect to capital punishment. many years ago i supported aen t enactment of narrowly defined death penalty. but then in washington i sat next to my governor with the red phone between us directly connected to the death chamber at our state penitentiary on the
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night that the first death penalty was implemented in many decades in our state and it was sobering. and then finally, i was the founder and chief executive officer of the state version of c-span on our inaugural night, the very first broadcast that we conducted was of our state supreme court hearing a death penalty appeal which was required under state law. and a good friend of mine was chief justice of the state supreme court, a decent man. and the next day he resigned his position on the state supreme court and said i can no longer serve on the state supreme court where we sit in judgment of death and life. that is the province of god. and as a consequence of that journey, i've come to be an opponent of the use of capital punishment and i'm sorry to hear that attorney general barr is going back there. >> is there anything that congress can do to prevent that
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from being re-enacted? >> sure, we could change the law. i don't think that is likely to happen. >> let me talk to you about the topic of impeachment. because you have until now at least publicly supported -- you have not i should be clear, you have not publicly supported impeachment and you voted to kill the impeachment resolution. did bob mueller's testimony yesterday change your calculation at all? >> it certainly changed the velocity and intensity of my deliberation. but let's first remind everybody what i think the two most important takeaways of those hearings were. the judiciary committee i thought did an excellent job of establishing very clearly that there is little question but that obstruction of justice was performed by the president of the united states. and i thought that the intel committee did an excellent job of establishing that the motivation on the part of president trump or then candidate trump many of those around him was not just to encourage, welcome and benefit from russian interference in
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order to win an election, there was also a profit motive. when you stop and look at the number of people including the president who were trying to do business, highly lucrative deals with russia, they had a profit office. russia had a profit motive. they wanted sanction relief. and of course sanctions most directly affect the multibillionaire oligarchs and they wanted more billions. so -- >> why would that -- sorry to cut you off, but why would that information that you articulated, why does not rise to the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors and push for impeachment about. >> it obviously does and that is under way. ayman, you can read the report as i have more than once, you can have countless conversations with your colleagues and constituents. but all of that including having the report is like having the sheet music without ever having heard the song. and that is what we heard yesterday. and what it has caused me to do frankly is to go into a more if
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you will deeper state of contemplation and consideration, prayer full consideration of that decision which no one, no one should mistake is anything other than a very, very serious decision for the congress to make. >> do you agree with the "washington post" headline this morning that democrats are now left with one option to end trump's president is i, t city,e 2020 election? >> no, i think the process spenkt of impeachment abo prospect of spooemt impeachmentl on the table. >> appreciate your time. north korea firing a new type of missile. what it means for the u.s. efforts to -- to restart i should say nuclear talks with pyongyang. and puerto rico rejoicing after the governor agrees to resign. agrees to resign who's dog is this? it's my special friend, antonio. his luxurious fur calms my nerves when i'm worried about moving into our new apartment.
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director for korea, japan and oceanic affairs, and also msnbc contributor. so what do you make of the timing? you have john bolton in south korea, you have this country consumed with the mueller affair, and then you have what seems to be somewhat of an interesting timing of the firing of these two amissiles. >> you have to hand to kim jung-un. north korea's diplomatic strategy is all about coercion. so while he is ex-changing beautiful letters with president trump, kim jung-un is sending a defiant message saying if you don't come back to the talks, what is favorable to north korea such as sanctions relief, that they can always escalate. so this is to project at home, tell the trump administration don't ignore us. >> and it would seem that the president -- do the north koreans from your assessment
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want an accelerated engagement all of the time? because it seems that the president with his unannounced trip to the dmz and inviting kim jung-un to meet him there was like hey, we haven't forgot about you, let's make something happen. >> i'm not sure if necessarily that north koreans want negotiations to begin. they have been working hard to separate president from his advisers. all kinds of name calling with secretary of state pompeo, the ambassador calling him a human defect. so they don't want the hard work of negotiations -- >> and it seems that it has work bed. sometimes the president says i'm not as hawkish. >> absolutely. they want to deal with president trump. and you can see that couple months ago foe ththey fired off range missiles and the president said they don't bother me. he directly contradicted ambassador bolton and also prime minister abe saying they didn't bother me. >> and that they don't violate
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international sanctions. >> when they do threaten south korea and japan. so i think that this is north korea's way of trying to say hey, either come back to the negotiation with terms favorable to us or they are planning to wait out the administration, buy time, drag it out. >> and one of the other interesting pieces of news that came out of this missile launch was the possibility that the north koreans were testing a new type of missile. what more do we know about that s and how significant is it? >> it is not good because it shows that north korea has been working on their nuclear program even since singapore. and apparently this missile is not going to be the thaad missile system, might not be able to detect a missile like this. so obviously not a good thing because the point is that north korea has been working on their nuclear missile program the past year while we're try doing the negotiations. >> all right. always a pleasure. thank you for your analysis. biden/booker back and forth
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a live look out of yichof indianapolis at the urban league conference. joe biden is speaking now to the crowd. he is following cory booker. it comes as tensions are heating up between the two men less than a week before they face off at the second democratic debate. while all eyes were on mueller hearings in d.c. yesterday, biden and booker were trading jabs in detroit over their criminal justice records. watch this. >> i'm disappointed that it has taken joe biden years and years until he was running for president to say that he made a mistake. and now he has unveiled this crime bill for a guy who helped
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to be an architect of mass incarceration, this is inadequate absolute. >> cory knows that is not true. if you look at the mayor's record in newark, his police department was stopping if you look at his record in newark, his police department was frisking african-american men. >> senator kamala harris will be sharing the stage with biden at the next debate. vaughn hillyard, what are the candidates saying as they share the same stage? sparks flying there yesterday. >> reporter: exactly, cory booker spoke this morning here in indianapolis to the national urban league. joe biden is on the stage. kamala harris will be here tomorrow. these conversations around criminal justice reform, especially not only of the
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present moment but going back decades particularly to joe biden's support of the 1994 crime bill, these are dated conversations. they're tough conversations to be had. particularly kamala harris and cory booker, the two african-american candidates in this race, have used the issue to draw their contrasts in this race with the former vice president. i want you to hear from cory booker, earlier this morning. >> it's enough to show up in our communities today with a promise of a better tomorrow. what were you doing five, ten, 15, or 20 years ago to fight for racial justice? don't just tell us you're gonna be a champion for our communities when you become president if you haven't been a champion already. >> reporter: as you heard job there yesterday over in detroit, he suggested that cory booker was wrong in his evaluation of the former vice president's record. the deputy campaign manager for the biden campaign put out a statement calling the attacks by booker absurd, went on to call
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into question cory booker's own record, back as mayor of newark, when the doj initiated an investigation into the new york police department and questioned the stop and frisk policies under booker as mayor. these are the types of conversations that are being had. and joe biden, in a morning consult poll that came out yesterday, still holds 38% of support among african-american voters. compare that to 3% right now for cory booker. this is an issue that candidates are trying to draw a contrast on. it's a tough conversation. cory booker as senator earlier this year was key in the passage of the first step act which was that bipartisan comprehensive criminal justice reform plan that president trump ultimately signed into law. kamala harris, again, will be onstage tomorrow. we'll take note, at joe biden finishes up, the extent to with this issue continues to drive the debate.
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>> as vaughn was saying there, cory booker, kamala harris, are trying to make an issue to draw some contrast. joe biden is obviously in the lead among african-americans, he's in the lead overall. who stands to gain and lose by this bickering? should joe biden come down, i say come down because of the points, not the topic but the points, should he come down to this category of a candidate to debate the issue or should he stay above the fray? >> he's got to come down a little bit and show that he can take the punches and give the punches. this rose garden strategy wasn't working. he's going into the debate and he has to show he's ready and coming in on his terms. so far as cory booker, it's great for cory booker. he may not be the big name on the marquee, but at least he's getting second billing now, which is a lot better. on the issue of stop and frisk, it will be interesting to see how a wild card like bill de
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blasio comes in, who ended stop and frisk in his city. >> what's your takeaway? >> i agree with susan, if the kamala harris moment did not occur i think biden would not have to address it the same way, but he does now. i think he's going to be prepared where he was not prepared before. and if you just hear the fact that effect back to cory's record in newark as a signal of the line of attack he's going to come back with, that's important. because i remember the debate between al gore and bill bradley at the apollo theater, fighting for black votes. former senator bill bradley made this comment about gore not being good on issues of criminal justice and gore pushing back and saying, well, carjacking was basically invented in your state, senator. i think it was a pivotal moment for the campaign. so there is peril for cory booker to go after joe biden in this way because it could easily turn back to what he did in his own state.
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>> we know there's been a little bit of tension between biden and kamala harris. he addressed that today. watch this. >> i thought we were friends. and i hope we will will be. she asked me to go out -- called me and asked me to go to her convention and about the guy from outside california to nominate her at her convention for the senate seat. i did. >> so he says he won't be as polite as he was the first time going out. is that a more aggressive strategy? >> it's not a question of being polite, it's standing up for yourself and defend your record and criticize someone's. >> it's not show friends, it's show business, to quote jerry mcguire. >> i think the man in the white house probably agrees with you on that one. >> i don't know if i agree with him, don't get me on record saying that. just very quickly on bill de blasio, watch for him, because particularly someone like julian castro who has been very good on
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the crisis at the border and policing, to challenge bill de blasio on not the way he's handle the garner case. >> susan, basil, thank you very much, vaughn i didn't like hahiu very much as well. coming up, what facebook is doing to protect your privacy ahead of 2020. ahead of 2020. who used expedia to book the vacation rental which led to the discovery that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up. expedia. everything you need to go. ♪ ♪ in big ways and in small,
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hour of "msnbc live." right now more news with my colleague and friend craig melvin. >> thank you very much, ayman mohyeldin, good to see you. we've got lots of questions about the day's headlines. what's next for democrats? did robert mueller change any minds when it comes to impeachment? when will democrats make up their minds on how to proceed? also from the democrats in washington to democrats on the campaign trail. can they make their case to voters about holding president trump accountable? will they stop attacking one another? will they focus their energy on this president? also ahead, we're going to take a look at that record-setting fine for facebook for failing to protect our private information. it means more oversight. is the government even up to the job? we're also following breaking


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