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three lives were lost. two of them were children. the festival, like a country fair. ben collins, thank you very much. thank you for watching "velshi & ruhle." right now my friend and colleague kasie hunt picks up in washington, d.c.. >> thank you. i'm kasie hunt in for katy tur, it's 11:00 out "wall street" and 2:00 p.m. in washington where president trump has ramped up his racially charged attacks on a member of congress for the second time in as many weeks. this time going after congressman elijah cummings, chair of the white house oversight committee. the president accuses cummings, who represents part of baltimore, of neglecting his prominently black home district which the president called rat and rodent in fessed mess where no human being would want to live. going on to tweet and retweet about cummings and his district nearly 20 times through this morning. at one point apparently responding to criticism about
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the tweets the president began labeling cummings and his fellow democrats the real racists for playing, quote, the race card. the president's comments follow racist attacks on four left wing congresswomen of color known as the squad earlier this month. telling the women, three of whom, were born in the united states, all of whom are citizens, to go back to their home countries. as well as attacks on my fellow msnbc host and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton. sharpton says there is no doubt this is an intentional strategy on behalf of the president. >> this is race-baiting at its best. this is donald trump playing the race card, and it is a shame and it is a sham. i do not think he's committed to anything but playing on racism and bigotry. >> so today's big question is what impact will president trump's strategy of racial division have on the 2020
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election. joining me white house bureau chief and msnbc political analyst phillip rucker and "new york times" white house reporter and msnbc contributor annie carney. annie, let me start with you. the president just announced he's meeting with inner city pastors this hour. there's been some reporting about his attempts to reach out to these groups that seems very much to me to be at odds with what he has said publicly about baltimore. >> yeah. the president's tweet was the first public announcement of this meeting. it wasn't on his public schedule for today. i'm trying to get more information about why it was added. presumably, optically, it will put him with black supporters, men of faith in the white house to underscore his point that he's not the racist in this back and forth with cummings. over the weekend we saw what really amounted to trying to
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stoke a culture war and play up a race-baiting strategy where robert mueller's testimony was really a brief break in a nonstop attack that went from the four women congresswomen of color, known as the squad, straight to elijah cummings with a brief break to attack mueller and back to the original strategy. this seems to be trying to counter program that he, in fact, is not a racist and has black support. >> phil rucker, your colleague at the post ashley parker with another colleague had a historic outlining how essentially this is the strategy the president's team has decided they are going to use. what is the long-term impact on the country potentially from this? it seems like such an overt way to go about this. yes, our history has been plagued by campaigns that have used these tactics before, but this is a new level. >> it's using the bully pulpit
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of the president's seat to appeal to the racism and nativism of some of his supporters to gin up and galvanize white voters to turn out in these states to make a difference for trump in the election. we saw him do this, by the way, in the 2016 cam paper and in the closing weeks of the 2018 midterms where president trump talked a lot about race and stoked these divisions. but for this to be going on through the 2020 campaign, which is more than a year out from now, this could be a very ugly year of campaigning and divisive rhetoric from the president and also stoking a lot of divisions in the country. we'll see how the democrats respond to it. but it's very much central to his re-election strategy as ashley reported. >> we sort of went from one straight to the other. the point annie was making. yeah, we had a little bit of a break for mueller. is this something he could keep up for more than a year at this pace? >> sure.
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he's basically blended these attacks into each other. you saw him wake up saturday morning, and it appears he turned on fox news and saw a segment on "fox & friends" about baltimore, the blight inside congressman cummings district, and trump reacted to that and launched this new attack. it does not seem to be something planned out by his advisers and strategists. certainly they are digging in and defending him now, now ph o photo-op event with inner city pastors, which sort of reminds me of the day michael cohen testified in congress and he brought before patton, african-american trump family friend, former wedding planner for eric trump to testify donald trump is not a racist. we may see a similar thing play out in the oval office. >> pretty remarkable. annie, maryland's republican governor larry hogan reached out to media. we should point out hogan did
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consider running against donald trump in a republican primary. he called the president's comments outrageous and inappropriate. obviously as the governor of maryland he's standing up for his state. other republicans, though, have tried to make distinctions between tweets about elijah cummings and the earlier tweets about the squad, many seeming to tie themselves in knots trying to defend this. what does the next year plus look like for other republicans running for re-election if this the president's strategy? >> well, so far we've seen that breaking with the president and krilt sighsing him has not proved to be politically profitable for any republicans, which is why we see so little of it. and trying to stick with and defend him. they are scared support for trump is strong in terms of their base as well, so they have to tie themselves in knots to defend him. going on what phil just said about trump's tweets, we're reacting to a segment on "fox &
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friends" about elijah cummings district and the campaign follows the president's lead and kind of reverse engineers a strategy based on the president's tweets that they were not expecting and that were not part of their plan. it's hard to figure out what is the chicken or the egg here and who is driving the car. is it "fox & friends," donald trump's twitter feed? it doesn't appear strategically and message-wise to be the campaign. this seems to after the fact try and create a strategy that backs up what the president is saying is his message. atmosphere complicated piece for a campaign that's trying to run a national campaign and in some states win over marginal voters. this doesn't appear to be a strategy that would help them do that, while it does enliven the core base. >> that's a great point. phillip rucker, annie karni,
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thank you for being with me. joining me steve kornacki, democratic strategist and distinguished lecturer from new york, basil and nbc political analyst rick tyler. steve, let me start with you. you've got a fascinating new project. i'm very excited about it. looking at how the power of african-american voters inside the democratic party evolved over time. what have you found? >> it's interesting because we always talk about the importance of black voters in the democratic presidential race. we thought we would put some numbers and some history to it. one thing we did here for this project is we went back and found every exit poll, every state primary caucus exit poll going back to when they started taking them, 1976. one thing that jumps out right away, you compare '76 to the most recent race in 2016, in '76 less than 10% of all votes cast in democratic primaries were from black voters.
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in 2016 that clinton-sanders race, 24%. we expect in 2020 it will be at least that high. basically one out of every four votes cast in democratic primaries come from black voters. over time that has been a significant increase in the prominence of the clout of black voters. what we have in this project putting these exit poll together, you can come up with a look how the black vote went in every contested democratic primary. one thing that jumps out starting here, starting in 1992, you can see bill clinton wins the black vote overwhelmingly, bill clinton wins the nomination. you carry that forward. every open democratic race since then, the candidate who has won the black vote has won the democratic nomination. you can see those margins sometimes are very significant in terms of the black vote voting overwhelmingly from the candidate, won the nomination as well. context there, every time we talk about how important the black vote is going to be to 2020. find this project online, nbc
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news online, this puts context every time somebody mentions black vote. >> plug away, steve. i highly recommend it. you've got great archival footage in there, back ground on how important jessie jackson was to all this evolving. pt to that point, how do you think it shows up and manifests itself in the 2020 election. a lot of questions, joe biden heading second time on the debate stage. his support among african-americans far and away stronger than any other candidate. >> you know, i'll talk about steve's report here. it's actually very, very good. i do want to highlight jessie jackson, if you look how well he did in 1988. after his '88 race, you actually saw a huge number of african-american mayors, latino, women, mayors, members of congress, this explosion of representation throughout the country after that '88 race.
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if you tie that to what we've been talking about in terms of donald trump, what i think the opening for joe biden and other democratic candidates is going to these mayors, these congressmen, how can we the federal government give you greater assistance to do the work you need to do in your communities. there have been leaders very diverse and certainly a substantial number of african-american leaders across the country who have been willing and dying to work with the federal government and the states to rehape their communities. we've heard numbers like -- with respect to housing, african-american home ownership is the lowest it's ever been in our history. how can the federal government work with our leaders to reverse those trends. that's what joe biden and others can do. i think a lot of voters looking at joe biden particularly because of his relationship with barack obama to say maybe he's the one that can get it done. >> if you look at the black turnout numbers over time that
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steve laid out, and you think back to the obama years, we know president trump is clearly running for white working class voters in rust belt states like wisconsin. one of the obama campaign strategies was to drive up black voter turnout in places like milwaukee, and it worked for him. is this something we're not paying enough attention as this back and forth continues? >> because it's donald trump it's hard to analyze. in phil rucker's reporting, this probably was a reaction to elijah cummings and baltimore and now the campaign is backfilling the strategy. but the implication is mathematical problem in a sense because steve pointed out how the african-american vote now has clout. it was in his reporting that talked about the african-american democratic vote is 61% of the vote in south carolina. so you have all these democrats who are going to appeal to that vote, very overtly, not only in
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south carolina but on the debate stages nationally. so trump is not going to win the african-american vote. can we all agree on that? >> i think that's fair. >> he's probably not going to win the african-american vote. in fact african-americans vote so strongly for their democratic candidate in presidential elections there really is no there there. in other words, he would have to have any movement of any significance he would have to win 70% of african-american vote. >> sure but the question being are you pushing the african-american vote up by saying all these offensive things. >> yes, you will. but it's a mathematical problem. it's hard to explain. but "the upside" of the african-american vote for trump is so low but "the upside" for the white vote is pretty high. the most important thing i saw is four in ten whites don't consider trump's tweets to be racist. >> basil, quick last word. >> the opposite of that is part of the strategy could be to tamp
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down the black vote. yes, you're going to get people excited but his strategy is create cleavages in traditional democratic coalitions. by him using race the way he has been he's trying to get african-americans to say baltimore is bad. i implore my brethren not to go for the hype. in some ways he wins by tamping down our vote, not necessarily increasing his base. i think part of the strategy, yes, will increase our turnout. i think he wants to get black democratic voters to say, you know what, the party hasn't done anything for me so i'm going to stay home. >> that's a great point. steve kornacki, great reporting, i recommend it to everyone. basil later this hour. the latest to join the impeachment list congresswoman titus joins me. there are more questions than answers after a food festival
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and after the show check out a special encore performance of brett young's song, "catch." available only on xfinity. just say "brett young" into your x1 voice remote. it's official. national intelligence director dan coats is out. to take his place, president trump has tapped one of his fiercest defenders, republican congressman john radcliffe.
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if the name doesn't ring a bell, you might remember his performance at last week's congressional hearing with former special counsel robert mueller. >> respectfully, director, you didn't follow the special counsel regulations, respectfully, by doing that, you managed to violate every principle and the most sacred of traditions about prosecutors not offering extra prosecute oriole pronouncement. i agree with the chairman, he's not above the law but he damn sure shouldn't be below the law which is where volume 2 of this report puts him. >> joining me new correspondent hans nichols and the former director of the national terrorism center nicholas rasmussen, also msnbc security and intelligence analyst. hans, this has obviously been in the works for a while, but what's the back story? was there one particular incident that moved this from long held speculation to reality
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nf not that we know of but that's a heavy hedge. there were months of mounting frustration, mutual frustration, we should say, both sides contradicting each other. earlier in the year dan coats tried to resign and mike pence talked him out of it. it went both ways. it wasn't a good fit. you saw that play out publicly, not just the moment where you have this moment of candor there dan coats. even when coats was testifying before congress talking about how north korea was unlikely to give up any of its missiles, any of its ambition. an indication of ultimately they decided to go in a different direction. as to an actual probable cauxim, we don't have any reporting on that but the president could tweet something out any moment. >> that's a very important caveat to add. nick, let's dig into what happens next with mr. radcliffe. "the new york times" has done some reporting there is behind the scenes frustration among
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gop. most notably senator richard burr of north carolina they write, who is the chairman of the senate intelligence committee, who cautioned the president's advisers he considered mr. radcliffe too political for the post, what's your view on what that means, what burr's lack of public comments and that private reporting means and how that the relate to whether ratcliffe gets confirmed here. >> the senate intelligence committee, it's a serious body. members take their obligation to exercise oversight on the intelligence community on behalf of the american people. when senator mark warner of virginia, you can count on them to run serious, thoughtful, deeply intro speculative process to try to understand what his views are on the intelligence community. this won't be rubber stach process. if chairman burr isn't going on
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the record saying wonderful things about the selection, that would give me some pause about what his views might be. >> what's your view of reality cliffe's qualifications to hold this job. clearly he's somebody the president would trust. on the other hand he doesn't seem to have a ton of experience. >> he does have experience as a federal prosecutor. federal prosecutors are experienced. some time on house intelligence committee so he's had exposure to issues. if you compare him to others who held job of dni, director of national intelligence, it's not quite in the same league where you've had prior intelligence leaders with decades of experience like jim clapper, mike mcconnell, individuals like john negroponte who led -- held senior diplomatic posts in multiple administrations, admiral dennis blair. again, these are individuals who held senior positions in national security architecture for decades. this is a different model and
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one that will cause the committee to want to dig pretty deeply into mr. radcliffe's views. >> nick rasmussen, hans nichols, thank you guys both very much for your insight and expertise today on this topic. coming up next, the hunt for a motive behind the latest mass shooting in america. e lastte ma shooting in america. this summer at panera, we're going all in on strawberries. at their reddest, ripest, they make everything better. like our strawberry poppyseed salad and new strawberry summer caprese salad. strawberry season is here. panera. food as it should be. the way you triumph over adversity. and live your lives. that's why we redesigned humira. we wanted to make the experience better for you. now there's less pain immediately following injection. we've reduced the size of the needle and removed the citrate buffers.
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106 house democrats have now voiced support for starting impeachment proceedings against president trump. the growing list is upping the pressure on house speaker nancy pelosi. the speaker has repeatedly insisted any decision on impeachment will be made in a, quote, timely fashion as various house investigations into the president play out. one of the democrats leading those investigations, judiciary chairman jerry nadler explained the thinking of democratic leadership this way. >> my personal view is he richly deserves impeachment. he's done many impeachable offenses, he's violated the law six ways from sunday. that's not the question. the question is can we develop enough evidence to put before the american people.
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>> joining me now nevada democratic congresswoman deena titus. congresswoman, thank you for being here today. >> thank you for having me. >> you announced today you became the 106th house democrat to call for impeachment proceedings to start. why did this happen for you today? what has changed your mind? you held off so far but no longer. >> well, i don't think there was one trigger. it's an accumulation of things. i had hoped we could conduct the investigation into the hotel before i called for it but they have just been stonewalling us and not giving us the information. while the mueller testimony might not have been made for tv, he certainly brought out that the president had been less than truthful. after those hearings, i got lots of calls from people in my district saying do it now. >> have you -- would you say those calls have changed over time? are you getting more of those calls now than you were before
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or not? how does that -- i know you're in a blue district now. how are you interacting with your constituents that way? >> for a while people weren't thinking about it very much. it was seen as washington insider problems. they were more concerned about kitchen table things. now they are seeing it more as a challenge to our democracy. i think part of it is the fact we're an early primary state and a lot of the presidential candidates are coming through here on the democratic side and more concerned about the upcoming election being infiltrated by the russians. so yes, the calls have increased in number and in intensity. >> so you're behind closed doors with all of your fellow members of democratic caucus as the house speaker things are debated put out there. the speaker said everybody needs to do what is right for their own district. you have a swing district close to you in another part of las vegas in henderson, nevada.
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at what point do you think members who come from swing districts are going to start to break on this? that seems to be what might make the difference for nancy pelosi? >> i can't speak to the leaders. i think she does a great job keeping the caucus together and being concerned about all the members. i am surrounded by swing districts. it will be up to them to decide. we're not talking about the politics of impeachment, we're talking about the severity of what that means and what the president has done challenging our democratic system and our constitution. >> what's your sense of the divide among house democratic leaders? we saw jerry nadler there over the weekend on cnn saying he thinks the president has committed crimes. we know from our reporting that there has been a little bit of a divide between where nadler stands on wanting to push forward with this and where pelosi and adam schiff, the intelligence chairman, stand. do you get the sense some of them are more ready to move
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forward with impeachment proceedings? >> i think so. you can't really have it both ways. you say he should be impeached but you don't want to do an impeachment inquiry. i think if you start an impeachment inquiry, it will be a lot of what we are doing now but will have more gravitas if it has the moniker of impeachment on it. we'll be able to better challenge the president when he tells his underlings not to come and testify or ignore subpoenas or not to give us the information that we need. >> congresswoman dina titus, thank you very much for coming on the program today. great to see you. >> thank you. we're also following breaking news out of gilroy, california, where police just shared more details about the shooting that occurred last night at a beloved annual food festival. police say a 19-year-old suspect seems to have snuck into the gilroy garlic festival with a legally purchased assault prifl before opening fire on the krould injuring 15 festivalgoers
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and killing three young people. a man in his 20s, a 13-year-old girl and a of-year-old boy. >> had his whole life to live. he was only six. we just need to catch this guy, catch these people who are doing this. people come out here to have fun with their family, not to get shot. >> police said today that a motive for the shooting is still unclear. >> any time a life is lost, it's a tragedy. when it's young people, it's even worse. and it's very difficult. i don't know there's -- i don't know what, if any, association there is. it seems this was a random act. again, we've got a long way to go before we can come to a determination of what his motivation was. >> joining me from gilroy,
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california, nbc news correspondent molly hunter. molly, what else did we learn about the suspect today and how did the police chief respond to reports of a second possible suspect? >> hey, good afternoon. that police chief was so emotional. you heard it in his voice, how hard it was to deliver the news. those victims were young people, two really young children. as far as second suspect, we've been hearing rumors of that for the last 24 hours. the police said they would follow any leads they got, track down any leads they got but they have nothing. all of that came from witnesses it told police it appeared there was an accomplice or someone supporting the shooter, not necessarily a second shooter. kacey, i want to play sound from one of the witnesses we spoke with today who described that scene in vivid detail. take a listen. >> i saw someone down on the end a little bit past the last booth but closer to the bathroom and
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he was crouched down on the ground. i thought that was the shooter. i was ready to go after him. i went that direction and i saw him reloading, and i said, no, i'm going this way. so then i was running around the truck trying to hide. you just didn't know where to hide, then you could hear pop, pop, pop, pop, above. >> she describes what every eyewitness describes, absolute chaos. we spoke about those injuries, 11 injured with gunshot wounds, sores injured in the mayhem, being trampled, trying to figure where to go, around trucks. >> our thoughts and prayers with all the victims in gilroy. molly hunter, thank you very much. coming up a brand-new poll of the 2020 field on the eve of the second democratic debate. the second democratic debate
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center in toledo in a few hours. tomorrow night warren will be at the center of the debate stage in michigan sharing that coveted up front spot with fellow senator bernie sanders. joining me now from ohio, nbc news national political repor r reporteralreporte reporterally vitali. what are you hearing from voters on the eve of the second face-off. >> elizabeth warren center stage with bernie sanders, more importantly prosecutingive and sweeping ideas are going to be at the center of this debate. my colleague and i published this morning a story looking ahead to the debate where the expectation is less that the drama and fireworks will come between the two highest polling candidates warren and sanders, more might be progressives versus moderates on big issues like medicare for all. while i've been in ohio with sloerts, y
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voters, they want to get to know candidates but they are aware of the fact the more they attack each other the more problems they might have later as they get closer to a nominee. listen to what the voters told me. >> i wish they would all get together and say, look, this is what we're not going to do. yeah, then once you become the nominee the shrapnel, you've left everyone in your wake. then the opponent uses what everybody else used the last year. yeah, i wish they would make some ground rules definitely. >> i don't think it's good for the party brand. i would hope they start to the coalesce around somebody shortly. >> people have a right to change their opinions. some of the things have been done in the past or said in the past -- and i'm talking about years previously -- you know, maybe their outlook has changed. you need to consider what they have done the last five years or the last 10 years.
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>> and clearly, kasie, pamela, the last voter referencing joe bid biden's stance on busing, kamala harris hit him with. if you're talking about rematch with joe biden and kamala harris, she's out with her own health care plan and she's being hit with people like bernie sanders on it. it's medicare for all but a few caveats different from sanders and warren plan specifically because of the role of private insurance. if bernie sanders is hitting her on that today, i know they won't be sharing a debate stage. as much as voters are concerned about how they are drawing contrasts, that's clearly a contrast that's going to be coming up between night one and night two, kasie. >> certainly have has been confusion how kamala harris would address these questions. she's a little bit back and forth on it. some clarity that opens her up to the attacks. ali vitali, thank you, joining
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me, basil smikle and rick tyler. basil, let me pick up there with where we left off, with that voter ali was talking to and her willingness to say, hey, we should be looking at joe biden's more recent record, mainly as vice president to the first african-american president, especially on criminal justice. do you think african-americans are buying it? >> i think they are buying it largely because of what the voter is alluding to. over time they do give candidates the benefit of the doubt. the truth is that particularly with the crime bill, that was a very difficult time, and it's a very difficult issue, especially when you deal with that, because almost half, if not more than half of the congressional black caucus voted to support that bill even this they basically had to oppose it. there needs to be conversation around specific issues but i do think voters -- particularly african-american voters, are willing to give joe biden the
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doubt because of a very strong line that he used after he sort of flubbed the first debate, which was that obama vetted me. that is a really powerful talking point that i think has resonated since that state of that first engagement. >> good point. rick, what are the stakes for joe biden on the second debate stage when he said he's not going to be as polite. "new york times" has a story basically tackling his age and raising the question of whether he'll show himself to be kind of sharper, more nimble, more aggressive on stage. but at the same time his poll numbers are back where they were. >> joe biden is right back where he started at the last debate. we'll see. look, he doesn't have to win this debate. has he to survive this debate, has to do well. he can't did as poorly as he did last time, which is a fairly low bar, right? the challenge for him will come at the moment the first democrat on stage, first candidate is going to challenge him.
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he has to take a pound of flesh out of that candidate so that people will be rece sent to challenge him. he didn't do that with kamala harris. he let her get out everything she needed to get out and it hurt him. he seemingly because caught flat footed and didn't have a spence to it. he can't allow that to happen again. >> basil, what's your take on the way these confrontations are set up, we'll have the two progressives, warren and sanders on stage the first night and then biden and cory booker and kamala harris. does that work in biden's favor? >> i think it works in biden's favor if he doesn't good on the attack but is prepared for the attack. i do agree with ali's reporting that it will likely be a matchup between the progressives and moderates that are going to be on the stage. i agree, it's biden's to lose, if you will. all he has to do is be calm, be collected, seem like he has a
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command of the issues where he needs to sort of talk about what he could have done better given his long resume and maybe things he wouldn't vote for today i think have really good strong answer toss that. as you've seen voters are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he seems contrite enough. so yeah, i do think as long as joe biden seems like he's in full command of that stage and is sort of not standard bearer but has the gravitas a lot of voters think he does, i think he comes out ahead. it's really a debate geared to a lot of the folks in the 1 or 2% to see if they can make some headway. >> rick, is there anyone else on stage you are watching carefully for a potential breakout moment or anything that's caught your eye. >> all the other candidates have to break out because if they don't, they won't be in the next debate, and that will be for all of them the end of the campaign. it's really the top five people,
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buttigieg, kamala harris, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders. they can't make any mistakes. somebody else, we'll see who breaks out. what joe biden has to do for democrats and for his donors in particular, the reason he has to hit back is because he's got to show he's up for the challenge of taking donald trump down. that's become so important in this democratic party. >> that's the litmus test they have to pass. >> basil smikle and rick tyler, thank you. coming up next, results remain in mexico policy. cal perry shows lengthy and emotional wait for refugees on the other side of the border. ou. why don't we just ask geico for help with renters insurance? i didn't know geico helps with renters insurance. yeah, and we could save a bunch too.
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hmm. how did you make the dip so rich and creamy? oh it's a philadelphia-- family recipe. can i see it? no. philadelphia dips. so good, you'll take all the credit. president trump's immigration policy has reached far beyond this side of the u.s. border with many migrants waiting for word on whether they will be granted asylum in the u.s. in mexico. joini ining me now nbc news correspondent. what did you find the impact of this remain in mexico policy to be? >> reporter: the trump
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administration will argue to you that all of these policies are meant as a deterrent. this remain in mexico policy, the people who are really impacted by these policy, the people waitin ining are the peo donald trump argued should try to enter the country legally. these are just some of the faces of the trump administration's remain in mexico policy. 70 people living in this one room of a small church. >> they have been sentenced to be here a year, maybe more. >> reporter: before finding place to stay, migrant vs to check in across town at a central processing facility. right now there are roughly 12,000 people waiting at this part of the border at a chance for an immigration hearing. >> people here grow impatient at times when they do not call anybody to cross. >> reporter: the confusion and
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frustration is evident. people are waiting months in a foreign land of no idea of how long it will take. >> what number are you? >> 13,291. >> yeah. >> how long will you wait? >> three months. >> you've been three months and 15 days. >> yeah. >> do you know how much holonge you have to wait? >> i don't know. >> reporter: the city of juarez is approaching 900 murders so far this year. people are here from all over the globe from central america to africa. she asked us to keep her identity a secret. a gay woman from uganda, she thought america would welcome her. >> it's one country that allowing human rights before but i don't know why they are changing everything like aum ll
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a sudden. >> reporter: people like dylan provide shelter and food and almost a sense of optimism. >> what we're doing at the border is core who we. this is country that always stood for human rights. our border is where we'll define our identity as a country. >> reporter: asylum sort as as la laid out has been changed for now as the folks wait across the border in a dangerous city. we understand man was shot and killed outside the government center this week and folks who stay at the church say they can hear gunfire consistently at night. the scope of this problem, how many people are waiting across that border. we're talking about tens of thousands. just 15,000 alone many this section with only three immigration attorneys looking after handling that entire load.
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>> is there another way for them to approach coming to the united states or has the trump administration made this their only option? >> reporter: the trump administration has made this the only option from asylum. i will say and we heard this, smugglers will wait in these neighborhoods and preying on these thousands of people who are growing more and more frustrated by waiting. you heard in that piece it's been about a week since they've called a number. the less numbers they call, the fewer numbers they call the more people wait, the more frustrated they get. >> really difficult story. thank you as always for your reporting. next, if you're afraid of bugs there's something happening in vegas that you'll want to stay in vegas. one more thing, up next. n vegas. one more thing, up next.
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one more thing before we go. in case you didn't know, there is a real condition called entomophobia. it's a fear of grasshoppers. you deal with it, fair warning, look away from your television set. if you don't have it, you might develop the condition after this. check out what is happening in vegas. like scene out of revelation.
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grasshoppers have invaded the strip. of all the things that you can find on the las vegas strip, it's grasshoppers making this news. we do want to be very clear, we're not talking about a swarm here and there. it's a full on grasshopper invasion. thousands. thousands of grasshoppers. so many that forecasters in las vegas thought a weather front was moving in. dreams of a summer rainstorm ruined by this grasshopper swarm of biblical proportions. as crazy as this all sounds, it turns out it's pretty normal. scientists say this specific breed of grasshopper over runs nevada during periods of heavy moisture. since the state has seen double,
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boom, double the grasshoppers. experts say the swarm is not there to stay. this massive family are just taking a pit stop in sin city. before long they will hit the road and continue their migration north. if they are bothering you, patience young grasshopper. that wraps things up for us this hour. >> i'm definitely not going to vegas. you don't go for grasshopper invasion, let's just say. >> no. very strange. >> let's hope so in this case. hey, everybody. it's monday, july 29th. after ramping up his attacks against elijah cummings and his supporters, the president said he's meeting with wonderful inner city pastors. that event was not

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