they believe in. >> so bottom line is, as we look toward tonight, into the future and next year, we have a real advantage in that trump unifies our party, no matter who the nominee is. >> absolutely. >> all right. wow. a lot to look forward to tonight. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. it is wednesday, july 31st, and a busy day it is, so let's get started. one debate down and another to go. tonight we're going to see part 2 of this democratic presidential debate and a lot of what we expect to see tonight will have to do with what we saw last night in part 1. it was packed with fiery moments from health care to immigration to economics. the idealogical divide between the progressives and the moderates within the democratic party was front and center. >> i think democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises. when we run on things that are

workable, not fairy tale economics. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. >> if it's true that if we embrace a far left agenda, they're going to see we're a bunch of crazy socialists. if we embrace a conservative agenda, do you know what they're going to do? they're going to see we're a bunch of crazy socialists. let's go out and defend it. >> i think if we're going to force americans to make these radical changes -- throw your hands up, but -- oho, i can do it. but you haven't i am reply mend -- implemented the plans. us mayors and governors are supposed to pick up the pieces and there is no preparation. you can't just spring a plan on the world and expect it to succeed. >> what i don't like about this argument right now, what i don't like about it at all is that we are more worried about winning an argument than winning an election. >> this isn't just a choice

between the left and the center. what folks want is a fair shot. the way i won, the way we can win is actually focus on the economy and democracy that aren't working for most people. >> in this discussion we've talked about taking private health insurance from union members in the industrial mid we west, weaver talked about decriminalizing the border. i don't think thats 's an agend we can work on and win. we're talking about taking a shower that we haven't had in more than 30 years. >> in this country money buys influence, access and increasingly outcomes. >> fuif you think this will dea with the hatred the president has brought up in this country, then i'm afraid the democrats will see some very dark days. >> our team is in detroit covering all the angles, joining

me now, garrett haake and ali vitale. first talk of the night. walk me through how you saw the split. >> reporter: it only makes sense when you hit 2019 and 2020, the debate is how you actually do that. you saw lots of ways of being a democrat, getting to that eve eventual goal of universal coverage. this hinges to me on private insurance. if you look at bill de blasde d elizabeth warren, they're saying medicare for all. the public option keeping a role for private insurance. it did elicit some of the most fiery exchanges of the evening. take a look at how candidates contended with that issue. >> medicare for all is

comprehensive. it covers all health care needs for senior citizens. it will finally include dental care, hearing aids and eyeglasses. >> you don't know that, bernie. >> i do know it, i wrote the damn bill. >> his math is wrong. that's all i'm saying. his math is wrong. it's been well documented that if all the bills were paid at medicare rate, which is specifically -- i think it's in section 1200 of their bill, then many hospitals in this country would close. >> all right, ali, we saw where all the democrats are on the spectrum, but let's take us to the big race. how do they fare against the president's current position on health care? because i'm pretty sure he ran on repeal and replace, and right now at best, is he defending obamacare? >> reporter: certainly health care has been one of the missed opportunities, you could say, of president trump as he goes out and says promises made, promises kept. certainly that's not one of them. i think for democrats when you take it to a general election you have to look at is you have all these wide ranges of plans,

but all of them, even if a democrat becomes president in 2021, need to s to be passed in congress, and garrett and i on capitol hill know how that goes. from talking to voters we know that's an essential concern, but i think it's also going to be how do you work with the senate, how do you work with congress, and how do you do it in a bipartisan fashion, because reality on the ground is that's what you're going to have to do. >> garrett, you both spent the night with all the campaigns, and obviously every candidate in his or her team said they crushed it. but those candidates who are polling at 1% or less, it really was make or break. so who did really stand out? >> for the 1 percenters, i saw the good, the bad, the ugly last night. i think bullock who came in

basically introducing himself did a good job. and delaney, i think he'll mostly be remembered that he got dumped on by elizabeth warren that he wasn't somehow fighting for big, bold plans. and the missed opportunity to me was tim ryan, the congressman from ohio, who gave some of the most vociferous attack lines on medicare for all mostly offstage afterwards. here's what he told me in the spin room. take a listen. what happens in a district like yours if someone like that is at the top of the ticket? does it make democrats like yours hard to win in youngstown, ohio? >> i think if we're talking about taking private health care away, we're going to lose 48 states. and i'm having a tough time figuring out the two we will win. >> the thing with ryan, if you're able to deliver it on the

debate stage, he missed the moment there and now we go through the long hot summer of these candidates trying to make it to the next debate. >> that's what happened last night. now let's dig into what it all means. let's bring in my first group of msnbc contributors, chief public affairs officer of moveon.org, susan del percio and the officer of the conservative joining me, my dear friend john allen. corrine, i want to play that exchange between elizabeth warren and john delaney really centered on this idea that those were the biggest, boldest ideas, are the ones who should rise up. >> i think democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises. when we run on things that are workable, not fairy tale economics. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about

what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. >> okay. the crowd clearly likes that. it's dramatic, it's bold, it's big, but i do want to share a tweet that josh barrow writes. he writes, as a reminder, the candidates with more moderate issue positioning tend to form better in general elections and are actually electable. that is a reality and not something tv shows invent to piss you off. >> i get that, but this is not those times. it was substantive, we talked about a lot of issues. that's wonderful, that's the democratic party right now. but i wanted them to focus less on each other and more on the big problem we have right now, which is donald trump. when you talk about something like health care, right now donald trump's administration is in court right now trying to take away health care from tens of millions of people. republicans have been gutting it for the past couple of years.

that is why i think what elizabeth warren said really resonated with people, because people really care. health care is a number one issue. it wasn't in 2018, it wasn't in 2017. it continues to be that going into 2020. there is a contrast with donald trump. we're a different time. we are in a ditch right now. so people want to hear, the base wants to hear what big things are you going to do for me? >> but in terms of what you want to do and what you can do are two different things. i want to share what claire mccaskill said. bernie sanders said, i wrote the damn bill. >> unless democrats take the senate and decide to do away with a filibuster which they will not do, the institutional will hold 60 votes. now, does anybody think that a plan that will give a guaranteed

job to everyone will get 60 votes? does anybody think doing away with all the private insurance in the country is going to get 60 votes? >> these big, bold ideas might end us up with more gridlock. >> yeah, especially if it doesn't seem like there's any room to compromise. one thingie l elizabeth warren bernie sanders said was to go big. i think this is a time on the debate seat for candidates to introduce themselves, and i actually think the winners of this debate were the democratic primary voters. because the base got their -- the real progressive base got their progressives done, but the moderate part of the democratic voters, which are the majority, got something else. they heard a different side, a moderate side, a different take, and let the discussions happen.

just as an american, just as someone watching, i was thrilled to see it. i wish the republicans could show off their positions in such a good way. >> that's a good point. let's talk about steve bullock last night. it was the first time we saw him on the national stage. in the june debate he set himself apart on a couple issues, on health care and immigration. let's take a listen. >> this is part of the discussion that shows how often these debates are detached from people's lives. we've got 100,000 people showing up at the border right now. if we decriminalize entry, if we give health care to everyone, we'll have multiples of that. don't take my word. that was president obama's homeland security secretary that said that. >> mr. will, if immigration is the cornerstone of donald trump's reelection campaign, would a guy like steve bullock in his position be a real problem for him? >> i think he would, because what mr. trump wants to do is run against the straw man, or at

least it seemed to be a straw man until recently, the country is for open borders. the country is not for open borders. there was another thing he said that i thought was important. he said it used to be republicans that talked about repealing and replacing obamacare, now it's democrats. one of the fascinating aspects of this is the democratic candidates to the left are saying that the health care system in america is so bad that it has to be radically overhauled. what the devil do all those years and pay such a had he eeae for doing it in putting obamacare in place? the same is true for immigration. when we talk about deportations, and we're talking about millions under president obama, they'll see the open borders is not a democratic party position. >> john allen, many watched last

night's debates and thought the more progressive wing, elizabeth warren specifically, had an all-star night. your analysis was a little bit different when you were speaking about sanders and elizabeth warren. you say if they were going to demonstrate convincingly that it would take big, bold, impressive policy ideas to beat donald trump, surely it would have helped to wipe the floor with the eight other democrats on stage with them. that didn't happen, not at all. this was the left's first big shot and it just didn't hit. why do you think that was the case? >> i think the real case there, stephanie, is you had warren and sanders, and as george is pointing out on health care here, basically running against barack obama and running against obamacare. if you're going to make the case for the big structural reforms, you've got to convince a lot of people, not just the progressives but also the centrist part of the democratic

party and also swing voters in the general election that your cause is right, that your ideas are best and you can implement them. i think they were met with pretty fiery resistance on stage last night. it's not clear to me there was a huge aggressive win on the left. it's not clear to me that warren and sanders were not more appealing to the base, but they were basically running against the crew of also-rans last night and weren't able to wipe them out. how do they expect to go up against joe biden and beat him in a debate on these issues and how do they expect to go up against trump and beat him in a debate on these issues? if they're going to do that, i think they have to sharpen them. let me say one other quick thing, stephanie. you are a bright psychic force in this universe, not the dark psychic force that they were talking about last night. >> i appreciate that, john, and may the force be with you. i want to talk about the 1 percenters for just one more

moment because our friend tim o'brien wrote this on twitter. there are senate races to be entered in texas, montana and colorado, and i can think of three people who should be seriously considering them this morning. he's obviously talking to beto o'rourke, steve bullock and john hickenlooper. he's saying, boys, let's get real. there are other positions to be won. think about it. >> i totally agree with that sentiment. last night was about that lower 1% folks that you just mentioned to really break out, have a breakout moment and get that ticket to the debate in houston in september. if you can't make it to september, you can't make it to that debate, then i think your campaign is essentially going to be over. what he said plays into what claire mccaskill's point is, if democrats don't have the senate, we can't just focus on the white house. we have to focus on the senate and the house as we see now, especially in the last three

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ten more candidates will take the debate stage including current frontrunner joe biden. what can we expect? joining us, michael emily and john hilliard. michael, you've been covering joe biden for years. what's the strategy going into tonight? >> reporter: stephanie, you talked about a fascinating debate of the democratic party, where they need to position themselves idealogically to win that election. that's a debate that joe biden would very much like to be a part of, but it's not the debate his campaign is preparing him for tonight. they expect it will get more personal just like it did in that first debate where he was on the defensive, especially on kamala harris's attacks on busing. he said he's not afraid to punch back if he's targeted tonight. he needs to show he's a fighter that he is, in fact, the best person to take on donald trump. that's what voters in the first

debate were beginning to question. he does want to use that opportunity to talk about where he stands on the issues, his campaign today actually releasing a video on medicare for all. joe biden not taking that position. wants to talk about building on the affordable care act, obviously a major accomplishment of the obama administration that he was a part of, steph. >> vaughn, if it's about punching back, joe biden will punch back against kamala harris. she went hard against joe biden in the last debate. it was a winning, standout moment for her. so what's the plan tonight? >> reporter: exactly. senator kamala harris's campaign aides tell me, remember, this is a campaign and this is what an election is about. it's about drawing those contrasts and kamala harris herself said just as much on monday. i want to let you hear from her just the other day. >> my mother raised me to be polite and i intend to be polite. i will express differences and articulate them and certainly point out where we have differences of opinion because i

believe that democrats and the american voter have a right to know that. but there's no reason we can't be polite. >> y >> reporter: you heard her say there, stephanie, she intends to be polite. of course, that comes after joe biden's remarks that he does not intend to be as polite heading into a second debate. and look at the second stage. this is more than joe biden and kamala harris. you saw the candidates in the first debate be more chippy. you had kirsten hillenbrand and cory booker. the question is how does kamala harris fit in there and how does she put herself out as the more pragmatic type in this race while holding those personal values. >> i want to bring my team in student yio studio, moveon.org, karine

pierre, susan del percio. let's talk about the last month, elijah cummings and what he has said and done about the city of baltimore. >> i totally agree with you. first we'll see more diversity. you have kamala harris, cory booker, tulsi -- i think it will change the stage a little bit. the candidates will focus more on donald trump in making that contrast. i think this is that opportunity to do that, to look presidential, to show people you

can be on that debate stage with donald trump if you make it as the nominee come the general election, and i think that is a key thing they also have to do tonight. >> how important is this for joe biden to stand up and fight? because the big question is can you face off against donald trump? last night we saw a number of candidates that were not bernie sanders and elizabeth warren that did share some of joe biden's idealogy. >> but i think at the same time while biden has to show he can make the pivot against donald trump because he is the best person to beat donald trump in the polls. his numbers show he is number one in the polls so one thing feeds another. it is critical he not go overboard, though. if he looks like he's missing these shots, i think he could take a big hit and kind of tumble down. >> george, you outlined a list

of questions you hoped the moderators were asking last week. what do you most hope to hear tonight? >> i'd like to hear, first of all, that some people understand you can be at 1% in the polls at this point in the race and surge very fast. george mcgovern was at 3% in the polls in january 1972 and was the nominee six months later. tonight i think we'll be watching the demeanor of mr. biden. he wants to punch back but he doesn't want to seem angry. i've been trying to think, when is the last time america elected an angry president, a president defined by anger? i think it's andrew jackson. >> a few years ago. >> i don't think so. someone who is defined by a constant, unrelieved, florida disapproval. you might be right, it was

andrew jackson, but that was a long interval between people. i'll be particularly interested in seeing what senator bennett from colorado does with his chance with two decades less mileage on him. bennett is a senator. he's not a former congressman like delaney, he's not a current congressman like tim ryan, so he has a certain gravitas and stature, so this will be his chance to do what delaney and ryan did last night, which was take their moment in the sun and shine. >> john allen, tonight is going to be a lot different in terms of tone. we won't see this sort of warrior progressive voices. i'm talking bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. and without those voices there, what's going to be the clear division? or will there be one? >> i think the clear division tonight is absolutely going to

be one of the sort of generational divide. it's going to be joe biden against a lot of candidates who are going to be trying to make the case that they see the future better because biden has been around for longer. we just saw in the last week a new issue that's cropped up. biden basically reversed himself on the 1994 crime bill in a lot of places, including the federal death penalty. two days later president trump came out and said that he was going to reimplement it. three people who are now about to die were sentenced under that 1994 crime bill that joe biden wrote, a fourth under a bill that he supported. so we're going to see some new issues come up for joe biden, i think, that we didn't see in the last debate, and he's going to continue to have to fight this battle of talking about his past while trying to talk about the future, while other candidates are talking about the future. to me that's going to be a big

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the big question facing tonight's round of debates, how do you beat president trump? it is something democratic voters are asking every single day. and here's how the first round of candidates tackled that question. >> the green new deal makes sure that every american is guaranteed a government job if they want. that is a disaster at the ballot box. you might as well fedex the election to donald trump. >> well, the truth is every credible poll i have seen has me beating donald trump, and the reason we are going to defeat trump and beat him badly and he is a fraud and a phony and we're going to expose him for what he is. >> hillary clinton was winning in the polls, toome. to take a snapshot in the polls today and apply it 16 months from now or whenever it is. >> the way i can win is to focus on the democracy that isn't

working for most people. >> we are more winorried about winning an argument than winning an election. >> if you ask president trump, he didn't think it would be anybody he saw last night. >> i think right now it will be sleepy joe. i think. i feel he'll limp across the line. that's what i think. >> now joining me, founder and executive director of non-profit focused on building the power of latinos in texas. ramirez and syndicated columnis going to say our house historian today, george will. alexis, i want to talk to you. did any of them make a standout strong case last night that they are the ones to beat donald trump? many of them said amy klobuchar walked in running against trump. elizabeth warren started her opening statement with donald trump's name. >> that's right. we saw various candidates take

on president trump in different ways to portray this message that they are the most electable in their views not just because they could beat donald trump but because of their idealogical and political views and the way america should be in contrast to donald trump. what's interesting, though, when i talk to voters around the country whether it's in michigan or ohio, the crucial states, they check out policies that someone like eye llizabeth warr and bernie sanders are pushing. that's what i notice about the ethe electability of these candidates, while they claim they can beat donald trump while making these other policies. >> let's hear elizabeth warren on voting last night. >> here's where we are. i get it. there is a lot at stake and people are scared. but we can't choose a candidate we don't believe in just because we're too scared to do anything

else. and we can't ask other people to vote for a candidate we don't believe in. democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fight for it. i am not afraid. and for democrats to win, you can't be afraid, either. >> christina, is the ultimate goal or the primary goal to beat donald trump? because we know the progressive wing of the party has mobilized, energized and gotten very strong in the last few years. if they end up with joe biden as the candidate, could we see a depressed turnout again like we saw with bernie sanders voters who did not show up for hillary clinton? >> i think what's most important is part of the reason democrats lost in 2016 is we didn't have a real competitive primary. competitive primaries drive up general voter turnout. that's why having conned dates run on their ideas and having a

lot of diverse ideas is critical in 2020. whoever says right now they can predict who the ultimate candidate could be is delusional or lying. that's the same kind of predictions we saw in 2016 that were wrong on both sides of the aisle. we need to leave it to voters to decide, but i also think what voters are beilooking for are b ideas. 70% of americans don't have a thousand dollars in savings. americans want health care access. but they have to say how they're going to address the real pain and harm that the majority of americans live every day across this country. >> george, frank bernie wrote an op-ed this morning saying that the other candidates had fantasies of this election.

to cristina's point, many people are suffering financially, but are they suffering so much that they want to tear up the script and start over. claire mccaskill said if you want free jobs for everyone, people in the rust belt won't believe it even if they need it. we have to take baby steps. what do you think the most clear approach for democrats needs to be going forward? >> i think it's very difficult for democrats to run in 2020 by p pos turks postulating that the american people are not worried about the economy. it will take a heavy lift to convince people the economy is a problem. senator beto o'rourke of colorado has won two hotly

contested statewide races in the state of colorado which is the definition of a purple state. it is one-third republican, one-third democrat and one-third independent. that seems to me someone who can go up against mr. trump. >> but alexi, can putting one foot in front of the other and using a traditional playbook, is that going to show america that you're the person who can beat donald trump? when you think about who was on the stage last night, part of what they need to show is do you have the goods to go toe to toe with president trump? do you have that, i don't know, crazy eye? >> that's exactly right, steph. i feel like last night's debate was not only the opportunity for candidates to show a clear contrast between themselves and the other folks on the stage, but to show they are capable of beating donald trump and, as you say, going toe to toe with him. democrats want someone to fight back in the same manner with president trump as he does with democrats. some of the people in this field are not interested in fighting in that way, but there are ways

you can fight against president trump and stand against him without stooping to his level. i think people that want change can show that they can beat donald trump in the same way he takes them down. >> he thinks texas is the new battle state, it's up to grabs. does texas want beto to come home and run there? >> we have two presidential candidates from texas, and to me that's a win because democrats are going to have to pay attention to the states they've been ignoring. no state can deliver more electoral votes in a swing party than texas. i believe the big battleground state is here in my home state of texas where we have 30 electoral votes. people think of texas as a state of yesterday, mostly cowboys and western plains, but our state is young, brown, black and urban.

i think people could be really surprised if the right investments are made here in texas, and if you change the politics of texas, you change the politics of this country not for an election cycle but for a generation. >> then do you want him to come home? if he doesn't get the nomination, then it's just beto o'rourke, private citizen, texan. >> you know, i leave it up to beto to decide where he fits in best. we're proud of the senate race that he ran. and ultimately, what matters to us is that people make the investment on who should be running in texas and on what issues. again, i want to encourage all the democratic candidates that we're not just talking about the rust belt states, that they have to play to win in all the key states, and especially states of new opportunities, like georgia and here in texas. >> thank you, all. coming up, the democratic candidates spar over their key

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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. democrats in detroit sparring

over economic messaging in an economic reality. but one thing seems clear. the economy may be humming along but there are lots of people who feel left behind. just ten miles north of the debate stage where democrats will be again this evening, a general motors transmission plant just announced it's halting production. another 200 employees are uncertain about their future. can democrats reach those voters who feel left out in the cold, or will president trump win them over again? joining me now, chief financial correspondent for axios felix salmon and john harwood. john, democrats are driving home this message that it's a tale of two economies. the president ran and won on that same message. he took those who considered themselves forgotten and said the system is rigged against you, your jobs went overseas and immigrants took them. stay with me. the issue is his agenda has been a classic gop agenda with a

massive corporate tax cut and leaving loopholes in and it hasn't served those forgotten americans. did anyone step up last night who showed an argument to those voters to say, he didn't deliver but i can? >> well, they didn't frame it, i think, as concisely as you did, stephanie, but they all approached it from that general point of view. i do think one thing that was odd about the debate was you only had one candidate, john delaney, stepping up for a contemporary trade policy. this is something that president obama, president clinton both did. they made lip service during their campaigns for the presidency to labor unions and to a different approach to trade, but ultimately they sided with trade expansion. you didn't hear that on the stage last night from anyone except delaney, and i got to think that at some level that is the democratic equivalent of what they accused republicans

of, of being anti-science for denying global warming. the integration of the global economy is a fact of life, and democrats did not seem to want to acknowledge that on that stage. >> felix, montana governor steve bullock came out swinging last night, especially as it related to the economy. i want to share this moment. >> i'm not going to support any plan that rips away quality health care from individuals. this is an example of wish list economics. it used to be just republicans wanted to repeal and replace, now many democrats do as well. >> wish list economics. we heard that from bullock, from i c hickenlooper, from john delaney. those montana voters, are they going to believe this idea we're going to have health care for all, we're going to have free college when these are people who haven't gotten a raise in 30 years, or they live in a town where there's no new

opportunities? >> i think voters like ideals and big visions. i think that's one of the reasons trump touched a nerve. he's like, i'm going to paint a picture of a very different country, and if that resonates for you, you will vote for me. i don't think -- >> they had the rug pulled out from under them with big ideas, no? >> they do. i'm not saying elizabeth warren or bernie sanders would actually be able to get all their big ideas through congress, but i do think that on some level the voters want a visionary in the white house rather than the technocrat. i think we learned that in the last election. they might say, oh, you want to make big changes in the world, so i won't vote for you, i'll vote for someone more realistic. that is true, but that is a clear vision in the democratic field with some of the neo life liberal realists and the grand visionaries. >> john, there are a lot of voters who we hear say i can't

stand a lot of things about the president, but the economy is working for me so i'm going to stick with him. we know or we're expecting a rate cut this afternoon. speak for a moment about how unprecedented this is. the last time we saw a rate cut was december of 2008 in the throes of the worst financial crisis since the depression. fast forward to today, you could say we're having a bit of a global slowdown, the trade war is causing a hiccup, but you do have a 50-year low in terms of unemployment and the economy is humming. >> that's right, it is unprecedented, but you also have other central banks around the world cutting rates and president trump has a little bit of cover for the pressure that he's been putting on jay powell from the fact that a leading democratic economist, joseph fu drr rman, janet yellen did as well,

embraced the idea of a rate cut. so he's put so much explicit pressure on and that's a problem for powell, but he does have some cover there. i just wanted to add add to one point felix was saying. it is true that some voters want high ideal proposal. joe biden is leading this race, not elizabeth warren or bernie sanders. and i do think the mod rats, as you suggested, made some headway last night in terms of softening up the liberal bloc in this electorate with the idea that, hey, maybe you're going a little bit too far or further than we can deliver on. and i think that tees it up for joe biden to make that argument tonight. >> all right. thank you both so much. appreciate your time. coming up, we're tackling some of the key issues left out of last night's debate. and the topics that should be included in round two. cs that s included in round two. there's t that needs to get done today. small things. big things.

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trump's biggest wins. we haven't heard any of that. >> abortion, judges. the lawlessness of this president, impeachment. that didn't come up at all. look, this is -- it's -- the debates are hard to talk about everything. >> you talk about what you think is most important. >> that's a good point. they were being led by moderators. it is good to do. it is important to pivot and talk about issues that are important to the candidate. >> and we will see it more talk about maybe cory booker's record, the stop and frisk with i d de blasio. >> how does he feel about stop and terrific? >> they will go much further in aing taing donald trump than we saw last night. there was a glossover last night. when you look at the people on

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thanks for watching this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. coming up, more news with hallie jackson. >> hey, steph, thank you much. it is halftime as we count down to round two rematch ahead of night two of the democratic debates. joe biden front and center, flanked by not one but two rivals who have shown they're not afraid to mix it up. kamala harris and cory booker. this time the former vp is promising he will not be so polite. watch for fireworks after the battle lines became really clear last night. all about the practicing ma activities versus the progress 's