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will line up on the national stage to make their pitch and now for their clash in the first debate. current frontrunner joe biden will share center stage with california senator kamala harris. but those aren't the only two candidates to look out for tonight. colorado senator michael bennet, new york senator kirsten gillibrand, new jersey senator cory booker, new york businessman andrew yang, hawaii congressman tulsi gab roada, jay inslee and new york mayor bill de blasio all apart of night two. but to start the hour off, i want to head to the debate site in detroit where nbc news room vaughn hillyard is standing by for us. vaughn, thanks for joining us. really appreciate it. you've been following senator kamala harris. she's going to be center stage tonight. what's her strategy going into tonight's debate? >> reporter: exactly. it was the joe biden v. kamala harris squaroff that really took on the headlines following that
first debate in miami. she saw a spike-up in the polls but over the course in the last several weeks she's sort of plateaued to that about 12% area. so the question for kamala harris was would you be going forward with that similar strategy of drawing those contrasts with not only joe biden but others up in the stage and kamala harris was very specific telling us reporters here this week that she believes it's important for not only democratic voters but for america to continue to draw those contrasts and especially over one's record saying that it is important to understand the totality of individuals in this race for, goodness sakes, she said that this is an election and this is what campaigns are by. >> vaughn, last night we actually saw the progressives versus the centrists. it was basically elizabeth warren, bernie sanders against everyone else. now that story isn't necessarily going to be able to play out tonight, but for the most part, the candidates are moving more towards the moderate center area of this scale, shall we say, on tonight's stage.
how is that going to factor into the back and forth of tonight's debate? >> reporter: exactly. you're actually seeing several of these candidates on there. those that are looking to be a little bit perhaps a little bit more aggressive on stage. right now just three out of the ten candidates have actually qualified for the third debate next month in texas. but what you should expect to see tonight from just the likes of kamala harris is trying to find that middle ground. you saw last night essentially bernie sanders and elizabeth warren taking more of that -- more progressive approach and then you saw the other eight candidates arguing themselves to be more of the practicing mattists. so what you should hear from kamala harris tonight is the reference to her health care plan. it still allows private insurance to offer plans to americans, essentially, arguing that we can be progressive, have a medicare for all system while also essentially having more of a practicing mattist, having a realist approach in which we allow folks to continue to buy from private insurers. >> there's within a criticism
out there of senator harris. and it is what does she actually stand for. how does she face that criticism? what's her reaction to that? >> reporter: exactly. there's other candidates, bernie sanders, beto o'rourke, elizabeth sanders that have maybe put out more policies, but harris has said that she will put forward policy when she sees it fit. she said that she is not going to be a machine just to put out policy to put out policy but stuff that is well thought out. she's been in this race now for six months. the way she put it is that the iowa caucus is still six months away, and she is not going to tell voters where she is on a position until she has heard folks in engaged conversations and really is confident to tell the rest of the country heading towards a potential general election. >> vaughn, before i let you go, i was actually out scootering with my two-year-old son this morning. we were having such a fantastic
time. it's so weird because i left work because i was on an earlier show. but then i went back to work, and low and behold vaughn hillyard is out there scootering in detroit as well. >> reporter: your two-year-old, myself, and perhaps a presidential candidate steve bullock. we found a quicker way to get around if i may say. >> i have to say i watched it on loop. and i said we are putting this in the show whether vaughn hillyard like it's or not. >> reporter: all candidates are welcomed to come join. >> it's fantastic because actually the governor going to be joining us in a little bit. and as i just mention dollars coming up later this hour, montana governor steve bullock is going to join us and talk to us about his debate and clash with progressives on the future of health care. so one of the issues expected to dominate the conversation at tonight's debate is race. despite being glossed over last
night to say the least, nbc paul tick's team highlights biden's task will not be easy. he is going to be flanked on one side by kamala harris who charged at him on busing and segregationist senators in miami. and then on the other side by senator cory booker who's loaded for bear on biden's bill. i want to bring in keith williams who endorsed senator harris just on monday. thanks so much for joining us, keith. i appreciate you. why is it that you chose to endorse senator harris? >> because she's in alignment with our mission statement and our values. but more importantly she's qualified to be president. >> why do you believe that she's qualified to be president? >> because she's a united states senator of the most popular state in the union, she's former attorney general and she's a lawyer and she's fit the qualification of being the
president. >> let me talk to you about the latest quinnipiac poll. you got biden at 53% among black voters. sanders at 8%. harris who you endorsed at 7%. what is this poll saying to you about the way in which former vice president joe biden is speaking to african-american voters in this country despite your endorsement? >> well, joe biden is, you know, he's getting what we call the obama effect. kamala's out here working to earn the african-american vote. and that's why we support her because we know she cares about our issues, and she's presidential. she's been on the world stage. her polling numbers are great. and she's raising the money and she can compete. >> so, it's interesting because the african-american vote, the african-american community is incredibly important to the 2020 election as we well know, we've been talking about this for quite some time. now racism is going to be front and center in this election as well. you say kamala harris speaks to your issues.
you say kamala harris speaks to your constituents unlike any other candidate that you see up on that stage, and there are 20 plus candidates up on that stage. what does she say, how does she speak to your issues that makes you want to support her? >> well, she's already put out a proposal about funding hbu schools, putting money into funding and into these communities. that's what we needs to do to motivate us because she's one of us. and the bottom line is this. last night nobody was talking about the urban issues. kamala will talk about those issues. but more importantly she's still a part of the united states and she's got to spread her wings to all the communities around the united states. >> all right, keith williams, thank you, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> so another big question about tonight is what should we watch for. for that i want to bring in nbc news senior editor beth.
health care, really dominant last night. i think they spent the first 30 or 40 minutes of the debate talking about head care. who's for medicare for all, who's not. there was a wide range of opinions when it comes to health care. do you think that's going to be the most contentious issue for tonight's debate that that's going to be center stage as well? >> so i expected this would happy last night. i certainly expect it's going to happen tonight that race will be basically the defining issue of this debate because, number one, we have the two african-american candidates, kamala harris and cory bookers, both senators on either side of joe biden. but let's face, yasmin. we are in a moment that we really haven't seen in modern times when the president of the united states is inciting racial division. he's taking on an african-american congressman. he's told four women of color in congress to go back to where they came from. we have not been in this moment before like this. this debate is taking place in detroit, a primarily black city.
the congresswoman rashida tlaib is one of the women that president trump talked about wanting to send back. so we are at a very acute moment in terms of race. this is something as you indicated in your intro that wasn't really a big topic last night, and they didn't even get to it till fairly late in the debate. >> were you surprised it wasn't a topic last night? >> i was because this is such an unusual moment for all of us, and the polarization is so stark. it certainly did come up, but not in the sort of visceral way that it cough could have. and we should expect this tonight. with cory booker and kamala harris raising questions about joe biden's record when he was in the senate in the '90s, his support of -- or his opposition to court-mandated busing. so it's going to be front and center in this debate. >> what do you think voters out there want to hear about race on this? i know this is a very big question to be asking. but i tried to get at that with
keith williams and why it is that they decided to endorse kamala harris. i didn't necessarily get the answer that i was looking for. like, what do you want to hear from -- what are you hearing from kamala harris that you want to hear from other candidates? there's obviously something that he's hearing from kamala harris that he's not necessarily hearing from the elizabeth warrens and the joe bidens of the world. what are you seeing in the time you spent on the trail that people want to hear when it comes to race? >> so you put up that poll before. it showed biden well ahead of all candidates with black voters. >> the obama effect. >> he has so much support among the black community. kamala harris, cory booker, if they are going to win, they are going to have to chip away at that. all of the candidates will be talking about somehow bringing this country together, to somehow sow up these divisions that exist that president trump is intent on strengthening that is, you know, the sense of
racial division, bring people back together but at the same time be the president for everybody, not, you know, this group or that group. you can be a racial reconciler, ek be very acutely aware of the needs of the african-american and yet speak to that broad audience. it's a very hard task to make those promises and to speak that language. >> without alienating anybody. >> without -- and also because the cnn format is the way that they set it up last night to deliver this pragmatic versus progressive. how do these issues of race which are so personal and so painful for so many people fit in that format? i hope that they don't necessarily use that frame this time. >> i always think it's so interesting to look at the polls post-debate. after that first debate, we saw kamala harris get a huge jump in the polls. and it was expected after her performance on night two. joe biden is going into this night recognizing that he's going to be enemy number one up on that stage. everybody is going to go after
joe biden. the question is, is is he ready this time around because he didn't necessarily seem ready on the last debate stage. >> so our reporting has indicated that, yes, he now knows that he can't sort of take this above it all stance. that's what he was allegedly trying to do in the first debate, not really engage with other democrats, taking the argument directly to president trump. he got a cold, hard wakeup in that first go-around, that he has to mix it up with other democrats on the stage. our reporting shows that he has been going through intensive prep ready for that. in fact, this morning his team put out a video mash-up showing kamala harris stumbling a little bit on the issue of health care. he put out his own op ed talking about health care. he looks like he's being more assertive, more proactive in the days leading up to the last debate. >> you've watched joe biden for quite some time on the debate stage. he is the most experienced debater up there. did that seem like the joe biden that you knew on the debate stage of that last debate?
>> so joe biden has done a great job in the clutch in the past. he debated sarah palin in 2008 when she was this new huge political phenomenon, a woman. nobody quite knew how to take her on. he did a good job there. he also took on paul ryan in the vice presidential debate after president obama had really botched the first debate he did with republican mitt romney. so biden sort of brought everything back around. he did a good job in that debate. he sort of restabilized that race. and of course obama and biden won that race. so he certainly knows how to bring it if he has to. >> the question is will he. always great talking to you, beth. still to come for the second time in a week, north korea fires off two ballistic missiles. president trump downplayed the first launch. so what's the point of nuclear talks if kim jong-un is going to keep doing what he wants? plus, one day after a study warns that juul smokers may be inhaling more than they think. connecticut's attorney general launches an investigation into the popular e-cigarette company.
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welcome back. connecticut is launching an investigation into the popular electronic cigarette company juul. the state's attorney general william tong made the announcement this morning emphasizing his doubts about juul's claims that their product is only intended for adults and those looking to quit smoking. now this comes after a yale university study found that juul users were inhaling more than
just the ingredients listed on the product and that those chemical reactions could actually be harmful. a juul spokesperson responded to the new research from yale in a statement that says the study, quote, failed to take into account real world conditions including realistic human exposure to vapor products like juul. so joining me now the connecticut attorney general now william tong who investigating juul. thanks for joining us. this is an incredibly important topic. why do you doubt the claim that they're only marketing to adults and for quitting smoking? what do you think they're doing about marketing to teenagers? >> well, thanks for having me on, yasmin. i think we all know that what we've seen from juul and before them the major tobacco companies is that they market to kids, they use things like flavors now, you know, cotton candy, bubble gum. these are flavors that i don't think are for adults. they're targeting younger people
and kids in their social media, web advertising, images that appeal to young people. and i think what we're seeing is influencers online and others and a marketplace that's dominated by messages for young people. it doesn't appear really that they're focused on smoking sensation. i know that's their claim. but they haven't been approved by the fda to offer themselves as a tool to quit smoking. and so i have very serious doubts and i'm skeptical about their marketing. we have evidence that they have targeted kids in the past, and we need it to stop. >> we know that at this point in time, the fda does not require eliquid manufactures to explicitly cite all the ingredient on their products. so what else needs to be done on a federal level really to keep these products out of the hands of children? >> so, six leading organizations that promote heart and lung health in the american cancer
society, american heart and lung associations wrote a letter to the fda asking the fda just in may of this year to crack down on juul and to focus on their claims that they're a smoking cessation tool that you can use juul to quit smoking and also their promotional and marketing efforts. so we're picking up the ball. we're not going to wait for the federal government and the fda. we are taking our queues from that letter and following the lead from those major organizations and zeroing in on their claim which we think is deceptive that this is not a product that they're using to target young people and that they're promoting addiction and dependency. it's a product that they're using to help people quit smoking. we don't think that that claim is founded, and based in science and it hasn't been approved by the fda. and that's what we're investigating, whether that message is deceptive and misleading. >> thank you, appreciate it. so i want to take a further look
really at the health consequences. for that i want to bring in news medical correspondent doctor john torres. i was looking at an mpr report on this. eight teenagers were actually hospitalized in wisconsin just last month with seriously -- it said damaged lungs. they said they had been vaping in the weeks leading up to their hospitalization. what are the potential health hazards to vaping and to using things like juul? >> and that's one of the big issues. we don't know what they all will be, especially short time, meaning that the kids and the teenagers and the adolescents are using it. and what do we know when people are in the long term, but 40, 50 years down the road they start having lung cancers. we don't know about ecigarettes because a lot of times the research hasn't been done yet, and it's just now starting to come up.
what we have found out is that some of the ingredients that they haven't told us about are in there. on top of that, some of the ingredients actually mix with each other and form other ingredients. one of them is called acetols which we know are lung irrelevantants and the flavorings are call that. irretants. we've heard of people who have had to quit smoking because they can't breathe. >> so you're using this to potentially not, you know, to quit smoking and then you are subsequently getting addicted to juul. let's say you're not even an teenager, you're an adult and you are getting lung damage from it as well. >> and it's a big difference between teenagers and adults because of the way their brains are set up. all of the flavoring pods contain enough nicotine to be equivalent to a pack of cigarettes. if an adult is going through that, it's not going to add much
more to that and it might be a segway into getting them off of cigarettes but for teenagers, it might be a completely different story that. gets set into their brain and they're going to be addicted for a very long time and it's possible to go from there to cigarettes. and so it's defeating the purpose they talk about. >> well, i know the connecticut attorney general is going to continue to be on. you're actually working on a story right now for nightly news about prescription drug prices. what happened today is the hsa secretary came out with a policy saying we are going to start getting drugs from canada. we have a couple of pathways for drugs. pathway one are kind of the initial drugs that a lot of people use and they want to start getting those from canada, putting competition on manufacturers here. the issue is there are a lot of problems behind that. number one, the drugs, they're not doing at this point are what we call the biologics. insulin's a big reason people go to canada to get their
medications. and ton we are going to talk to a woman who is 25, and is about to switch off her parents' insurance and won't be able to afford it. in canada they have requirements in the facility that can manufacture these before they come in the states. they are saying the states can go ahead to try and petition to get these drugs here. it's very complicated policy they have here. so time will tell how effective if it is, if at all. >> obviously amidst the debate, health care is the number one issue that americans are concerned about right now, prescription drug prices being a huge part of it. dr. john torres, thank you so much. you can see more of his story tonight on nbc nightly news with lester holt. thank you. so he went from not qualifying for the first debate to being one of the most googled candidates last night. after the break i'm going to speak with montana governor steve bullock about his night on the debate stage and his warning to progressives about playing into the president's hands. you're watching msnbc. u're watc. choosing my car insurance was the easiest decision ever.
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ballistic missiles before landing in the sea of japan. now two u.s. officials told nbc news the projectiles did not pose a threat to the u.s. or our allies. this comes just days after the north fired on of at least two missiles that also landed in the sea bringing the total to four in just under a week. now the launches come one month after the president met with north korean leader kim jong-un in the heavily fortified demilitarized zone separating north and south korea. they pledged to start talks, but efforts to return to the negotiating table appear to be at a stalemate. joining us now to talk more about this is kelly and former principal deputy assistant secretary for asian affairs. kelly, thanks for joining us on this. i appreciate it. what do these launches tell us about the current state of affairs on the korean peninsula?
>> well, i think they're a very good reminder that north korea still has a nuclear program. it still has a ballistic missile program that it continues to develop. so there is still a threat that hasn't been addressed by the diplomacy thus far. and i think it does leave open the question of where is the diplomacy going, is there going to be any sense of traction that, you know, the president and kim jong-un met at the summit, they agreed to working-level talks. from my understanding those talks have not yet really commenced. at some point you have to ask the question of get on with it or what are we doing here because the status quo is not sustainable. >> at what point is there going to be pushback from the trump administration because these are clear violations of the u.n. security council resolutions. john bolton even said about a month and a half or so ago, these are u.n. security violations.
so at what point are we going to see kickback from the president on this? >> i actually don't think you're going to see any kickback from the president. i think he feels very content with the state of play as it stands where he gets to have sort of very high-profile media summits of him meeting with kim jong-un, you know, north korea doesn't test any nuclear weapons, it doesn't test icbms. he sees these small tests as not really a threat. so the north koreans are just going to continue to walk up to the line that he has set in the sand. i think it works for him because in his mind the diplomacy is underway and he's the man in charge and the issue is working for him politically. >> what about the allies though that are under threat. they didn't threaten south korea. they didn't threaten any of the neighboring countries around north korea. however, they are short-range missiles to say the least. when north korea is testing these short-range missiles, you have to have a lot of nervous people in south korea. >> i think there's a difference between saying a missile test is not a threat versus a missile
program being a threat. it's clear that both in the icbm, intercontinental ballistic missiles but also north korea's very substantial missile systems do indeed pose a serious threat to japan and south korea that is not going away. so while the tests themselves may have not presented an immediate threat, the programs certainly do. >> all right, kelly, thank you. appreciate talking to you. so after the break it's back output to the motor city to see how montana governor steve bullock plans to change the country if he becomes president. . if you have moderate to severe psoriasis
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this isn't just a choice between the left and the snefrmt it's not a choice just between sort of these wish list economics or thinking that we have to sacrifice our values to actually win. what folks want is a fair shot. the way we can win is focus on the economy and democracy aren't working for most people. last night the line was drawn. as the more moderate wing stresses running on, quote, real solutions, not impossible promises, it does beg the question what are the actual solutions the moderate voices are presenting with their policies? joining me now with his answer to that question is montana governor and 2020 presidential candidate steve bullock. governor, thanks for joining us. night one -- >> it's great to be with you. >> it's great to have you
october you got night one behind you, so congratulations to that. how do you think you faired? >> i thought it was great, having the opportunity to get on that stage, talk to folks about challenges that they are facing in their lives, try to make sure that government can be a partner in lifting people's both economic opportunities, getting washington, d.c. to work by kicking the dark money out. i want to make sure that we were talking about things that aren't detached from people's everyday lives. >> you believe a lot of the candidates up on that stage last night, they're not speaking in ways that actually connect with people's lives. i would go out on a limb and say that the supporters of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, they think that those candidates are actually very much speaking to their lives about income inequality, about job loss and about health care. how do you address that? >> no. health care is an excellent
example. i mean, we have to make sure that there's access and affordability for everyone out there. we can do that by building on the system that we have. you know, i spent the first two and a half years of this administration fighting back trump's efforts to repeal and replace obamacare. so what we have is folks saying let's get rid of coverage for 1 165 million people, not even recognize how long it took us to get to this point with affordable care act. so let's build on it with the public option, negotiating drug prices. but sort of the wish-list economics to me is plans that could cost hitly trillions of dollars, increase taxes on the middle class, and it won't make it easier for us win all across this country and really disrupts people's lives and i think we can do better than that. >> it's interesting that you say wish list economics. so do you use this terminology
because it's actually something that you think would be good for this country but not necessarily something that you think you could achieve? >> well, look. i don't know that this discussion over the best way to do health care would be best for our country by any means. but i also know that there are times where, you know, we're promising or some folks are promising -- let's get rid of all college debt as an example. look, i had to pay off, my wife and i did, $175,000 of student debt, my debt in today's terms. so i get the challenges that folks face. but the way to do it isn't necessarily just to pay it all off. we're not even talking about the fact that almost seven out of ten americans don't even have a college degree. we're not talking about what we're going to be doing for them. >> so what will you be doing for them? >> well, i think i'd start with some of the things that i've done in montana. i mean, i think we should get to universal access for community
colleges. i made my two-year colleges not about associates degree but about a professionally recognized certificate. there's over a thousand different apprenticeable fields. work-based learning which, on average can make about 20 grand a year on average more. doing those things can help everybody climb the economic ladder. and i think that's one of the reasons why more people climbed in the middle class in montana than any state in the country. >> what type of voter, governor, are you angling for? are you angling for the voter that voted for trump in 2016 is and now you want to get them to vote for you in 2020 or are you angling for the democratic base or both? >> the answer's both. we've got to win back places that we lost in 2016, places like here in michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. i'm the only one in this race that actually won a trump state. trumpers on the ballot. i won by 4.
25 to 30% of my voters voted for donald trump. but i think it's a false choice if we're talking about do we bring out our base or get those obama/trump voters back? we have to do both. when we talk about progressive like at the core of the word progressive is actually making processive. i'd take my record of getting dark money out of elections, just actually won a lawsuit yesterday against the trump administration. >> yeah, i saw that. congratulations. >> yeah. thank you. take that record of investing in education, freezing college tuition, on health care and so many other areas, against anybody else in this field. i think washington, d.c.'s often become a place where doing or sponsoring bills putting together the plans that may only go as far as the press release, that's become the substitute for getting things done. and i think americans expect us to actually get things done that'll impact their lives. >> so, governor, i do got to ask you this question, though. you say you're angling for both
types of voters, but do you risk alienating the base. medicare for all and such. a lot of the issues that elizabeth warren and bernie sanders are talking about. do you risk alienating that vote? >> i don't think so. i mean, it is -- i want to get access and affordability of health care for everyone. but i think often, you know, the twitter world and things are a little bit different than what i'm hearing from when i'm out there on the stump. you've got 20% of our rural hospitals are at risk of closure. i hear time and time again, let's actually be helping out those hospitals. let's actually make health care most are affordable. they want access, they want coverage. i'm not sure once you kind of, you know, look under the hood of all of this that turning around and saying we're going to completely junk after we had fought for false starts decades to get where we were even with obamacare. the idea that we'll throw it out
the next day, a, i'm not sure it could ever get passed. b, i'm not sure everybody wants to swallow that $30 million price tag and a tax on working folks all over. c, i don't know that people would want 70% of the population with employer-sponsored health insurance would want to have that displaced. so we agree on the goals, donald trump's been trying to completely overturn the aca. >> governor, i want to talk about september's debate. you actually need to have a minimum of 130,000 unique donors and polling at 2% or more in four kwauflg polls. you've actually been polling just at 1%. you got six weeks to go, governor, before the next debate. what do you plan on doing? >> and i got in late, you know, i've only been in about eight weeks because i had a job to do. my legislature was still meeting. i had to save health care for a
hundred thousand montanans. i'm really excited about both the reception i'm getting. i expect the poll numbers to be going up. and if all the viewers go to stevebullock.com, i know i'll get those votes. we should be putting our premium on talking to people actually hiring staff and getting out and making this a conversation, not just an toefrt try to get more $1 donors, but i need those. >> i think all candidates need those. governor, last question. if you do not get the nomination, will you accept a vice president on a ticket? >> it's a little early to be -- >> it is a little early, but who knows if i'm going to talk to you again between now and then, so i gotta ask now. >> i'll talk to you every day. oh, okay. [ laughter ] >> i'm excited about taking this. you know, it's still 140-some days till iowans express their preference. we have a great fieldworking in iowa of my eight weeks i've been
in, i've been there seven times. so my expectation is to make it all the way hit, do well in iowa and the early states and just keep on moving. >> so you're not giving me yes or no, but i'll talk to you again soon. >> i sure hope so. 2020 presidential candidate montana governor, steve bullock, thank you. all right. this is a hot button issue, but no one seems to agree on what should be done about it. after the break we are looking at the economic impact of climate change and how a lack of action today could have a dangerous effect on the very near future. you're watching msnbc. u're watcu to get your windshield fixed. >> teacher: let's turn in your science papers. >> tech vo: this teacher always puts her students first. >> student: i did mine on volcanoes. >> teacher: you did?! oh, i can't wait to read it. >> tech vo: so when she had auto glass damage... she chose safelite. with safelite, she could see exactly when we'd be there. >> teacher: you must be pascal. >> tech: yes ma'am. >> tech vo: saving her time... [honk, honk] >> kids: bye!
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2020 contenders on the debate stage last when he brought up economic opportunities while addressing the global threat of climate change. as the progressive and moderate wings of the democratic party faced off last the democratic p off on immigration and health care, climate change does remain a top concern for their base, and was evident last night when climate activists flooded the streets outside the democratic debate, calling on the contenders to put climate change at the forefront of their platform. for those progressives eeg aager solutions, what are the specific policy they want to see from these white house hopefuls? joining me now, donna gunright, who works for progressive policy like the green new deal centered around climate change. thank you so much for joining us on this incredibly important topic. i think when you're sitting at home and you're listening to candidates on the debate stage and going through so many
issues, a lot of times climate change gets swallowed up. especially because there are so many issues to address when it comes to climate change, you don't know what to prioritize. what do you think are the specific 20 topics these candidates need to address when discussing the climate crisis? >> well, when you're discussing the climate crisis, i thought a lot of key things did come up. warren talked about jobs. ryan talked about increasing the amount of green manufacturing. someone talked about innovation. someone also talked about agriculture, regenerative agriculture. all of that is incredibly important. i think what was loss is the fact climate is comprehensive. so no one was talking about the fact the health care decisions we make today are going to be happening in a context where a warmer planet is making people sick more often and they need more care. they're not talking about imcongratulation in
immigration where as the planet is uninhabitable, we're moving to other borders. >> i think we heard that a little bit from bernie sanders last night. >> we did, but i wish -- >> talking about leaving countries like honduras. >> you're absolutely right. that was brought up. i just wish it was connected more to candidates' instances on other issues. we very to start talking about climate as an overarching issue, not something we can just deal with emissions or drawing carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. this is not just a question of emissions. >> how do you get folks to understand this affects them on a daily basis? how do you get them to understand the climate crisis affects their health care as you say? when you talk about health care and as we mentioned earlier, i think the first 40 minutes of the debate was about health care, they were talking about pharmaceutical prices. they're talking about how much they're paying their doctors and
that matters a lot when you're at home and you have high medical bills. but how do you connect the dots? >> i think you connect the dots by talking about this is what we need now, and thinking about how things will change and the way that we need a system that is prepared for those changes. so not just medicare for all because prices -- we need pharmaceutical prices to drop but medicare for all because, you know, your child might be having more asthma attacks because the smog is cooking, because of the increased heat and they're going have to go to the doctor. and that's the kind of work we do all of the time at new consensus and all of the efforts to push forward the green new deal. i thought the demonstration in detroit was actually a huge example of how you connect these issues to everyday lives. people were there talking about climate change and also talking about unions, also talking about flint and the water crisis. also talking about the need for high-paying careers and the fact that the climate crisis, because we have to shift away from
fossil fuels, creates all of these opportunities for new highway jobs. all of that was happening. so the connections are happening. i think we just need to move them from the sphere of activism to actually taking it seriously and talking about it on the national stage. >> what do you say to modern democrats who are basically trying to communicate there are economic concerns associated with something like the green new deal? >> i think i tell them three new thing -- three things. so the first is that there is no thinking about economic growth the way we have now with climate change, right? unmitigated climate change will actually sap the global economy and the u.s. economy in ways we don't imagine. so i also link that to the second thing, which is cost of inaction. there is no reality in which climate change doesn't cost us money. and actually the longer you delay appropriate action, action at the scale of the crisis, the
higher and higher prices get. and the third thing i say is the economics are a real concern, especially for everyday people. no one wants their costs to go up, especially when so many people are strapped. so the other thing i say is costs don't always have to be passed on to the consumer at all. at new consensus all the time we're thinking about how do we fund these things through private sector funding, through public sector funding and if necessary through state and local? how do you actually structure these things so the last person impacted is the consumer? and that is possible. it just takes us thinking through and being proactive instead of having to make policy decisions in the midst of a crisis, and then it's whatever's easiest. >> last question, and it's a simple one, who stands out for you with their climate change policy up on that stage? i thought warren and sanders both stood out. >> what about tonight though? we know ahead of the debates where people stand. >> yes, tonight, honestly, i'm
not incredibly optimistic about any of the candidates. i would love to hear biden elaborate. he did put out a plan but it didn't have many details. so i'm really interested to see if he elaborates more. more than how he imagines the transactions happening. some of the equity-related concerns, i would love to hear that. i'm excited to hear senator harris. she's come out and supported the green new deal strongly multiple times and i'm interested to hear her take on it, articulate her new vision of the green new deal. >> thank you so much. for the first time in a decade, the federal reserve decided to cut a key interest rate. the central bank announced it will lower the benchmark federal funds rate by .25% to somewhere between 2% and 2 1/4%. the dow was in positive
territory for most of the day but fell sharply after the fed chair said this cut was a, quote, adjustment and not part of a larger trend. the other major indexes are also seeing big declines. nbc's david gura, host of "up with david gura" and my friend at msnbc, joining me from the floor of the new york stock exchange. thank you for joining us on this. give us your take on this, why is the fed cutting interest rates when the economy, it seems, is in such good shape? >> you hit the nail on the head there. the fed chair during his press conference afterwards said the u.s. economy is pretty healthy. you look at the labor market, it's doing pretty well, consumer spending is favorable as well. a few points are not that great. business investment is not where you might like it to be, inflation low. this is being characterized as an insurance cut because the fed chair are looking at china, the
european union. that is giving them cause for concern. the things there could tee tier rate further and have an adverse effect on the economy here in the united states. >> so we can't talk about this without talking about the president, david. he's criticized the fed for raising interest rates. he tweeted just last week, it is far more costly for the federal reserve to cut deeper if the economy does actually in the future turn down very inexpensive, in fact productive to move now. the fed raised and tightened far too much and fast. is today's rate cut a sign the pressure campaign has actually worked? >> i think the answer to that is no. you were right to point out this fed chair has been under an extraordinary amount of pressure, unprecedented amount of appreciatepressure through ts and statements from the president. but he was asked about this at the press conference today, very explicitly. let's listen to what he has to
say. >> we never take into account any political statements or discussions. we conduct monetary policy in order to move as close as possible to our statutory goals and that's what we're always going to do. we're always going to use our tools that way. >> jay powell saying what he said time and time again as the president continued to attack him, and that is the fed is an independent institution, immune from the kind of political pressures the president's putting on that institution. that's to say, still, he's getting a lot of pressure put on him by the president of the united states and there's still a lot of concern the president may decide to try to fire powell. >> we will be watching that for sure. what is next to happen here? >> we will keep watching to see what the fed does in the future as it looks at the economy. they will continue to look at the global conditions. the market was hoping to get some indication there would be more cuts going forward here. the chairman allowing -- this is new terrain, having to deal with
the conditions of something new, we will see what happens. >> david gura, thank you. great talking to you. and that wraps up the hour for me. i will see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 a.m. eastern for "morning joe" first look and again 3:00 p.m. eastern. next is "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace and in for nicolle wallace is steve kornacki. >> hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. i'm steve kornacki, in for nicolle wallace when president trump is doing his best to wrestle the news cycle back from the 2020 candidates on what will be a second straight night of debating for them. trump today tweeting attacks on his potential democratic rivals. he's keeping his week-long controversy over race alive with pressure attacks on baltimore and taking shots at the rush investigation. this is as rumblings around impeachment grow