tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC August 21, 2019 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
against him and russia had nothing to do with 2016. that's right. he's the one who sees the world as it is. he's the one who sees the monster behind the door. it's the rest of us who don't. he's the sane one. the person who believes all of this is sitting in the oval office, as he likes to say, calling the shots. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> excuse me, somebody had to do it. i am the chosen one. >> the president anoints himself on trade, endorses the idea he's quote the second coming of god and attacks jewish voters in america for being disloyal to israel. >> no, it's only in your head, only anti-semitic in your head.
>> what we know about the new trump plan for indefinite detention of migrant families. plus, the international incident caused by the president's whim to buy greenland. how did nra seemingly falling apart force the president to flip on background checks. >> all of a sudden you're on that slope. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the president is at pains to make it exceedingly clear he thinks the more than 5 million jewish americans who live in this country, secular, religious, zionist and not zionist are fundamentally essentially foreign citizens of the state of israel whose primary loyalty are to that state. >> any jewish people who vote for a democrat, i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty. all right? >> disloyalty. okay.
that was donald trump yesterday and many jewish groups condemn trump. some jewish republicans say the comments were not as bad as they sounded, loyal accusations going to hallmarks of anti-semitism 100 years back. interviewing the executor, matt brooks, said talking about being loyal to yourself, internal rather than the state of israel. today, trump completely sawed that limb off. >> in my opinion, you vote for a democrat, you are being very disloyal to jewish people and you are being very disloyal to israel. >> he said it, very disloyal to israel. pretty clear. he's saying any jewish-american who votes for a democrat, by the way, is about 80% of jewish americans, disloyal not to american but a foreign government. the republican jewish commission
said they take the president seriously, not literally i guess is about all they had left. this charge of loiflt to foreign government is one of the -- loyalty to foreign government is one of those left. populists within our borders and attacked congresswoman ilhan omar for her questions when she questioned the political influence in the u.s. saying it's okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country and deny trump is anti-semitic even though his latest comments aren't a slip of the tongue. trump talks to jewish americans as though he was talking to israelis, not americans. listen how he talks to american jewish republicans. >> you're not going to support me because i don't want your money. you want to control your own politician. that's fine. i stood with prime minister netanyahu, i stood with your prime minister at the white house. snow wait, do you hear that?
i stood with your prime minister at the white house. your prime minister, you guys' prime minister, to a group of americans. the president views yous as a foreign entity, with a weird transactional relationship with. because he said move it to jerusalem and have a big party, all jews should support him now. trump acts as though he conceded to the right wing requests of the israeli government, jews should treat him like the second coming. really? even by the standards of a truly bizarre moment, trump posted a transcription on twitter of a quote from an infamous crackpot conspiracy theorist who claimed jews in israel love trump, like
the king of israel, they love him like the second coming of god. there was no first coming for the jews. that's the point, kind of the whole thing. by the way, the crackpot who said that suggested president obama was hell bent on killing all americans and democrats were behind the murders and other many lies. that's who the president of the united states was quoting. after that, whether intentional or not, trump finished his day by grumpily yelling at the reporters behind the hedges. he said the following. >> intellectual property theft. add that to it and a lot of other things to it. excuse me. somebody had to do it. i am the chosen one. >> joined by the president of the jewish advocacy group calls theirselves the political home for pro peace americans. what do you think about the
contention 80% of american jews who vote for democrats are disloyal. >> good evening. it so happens i'm speaking to you from pittsburgh. as much as we tend to view these things through the prism of politics and even at times a comedic element to it what drives it home to me i'm sitting in a town where six weeks from now they will mark the death of 11 worshippers at the tree of life synagogue who were incited -- the victims of violence incited by rhetoric like this. when the president engages in this type of anti-semitic rhetoric and hatred and pitting groups against each other, there is a human cost and we see it carried in our synagogues and the streets, the mosques. this not just a political matter, a dangerous moment in america. >> how do you understand how the president understands his
relationship to jewish americans? >> he's just so completely ignorant and wrong about what motivates the overwhelming majority of jewish americans. the irony is jewish americans are extraordinarily loyal, we're loyal to our values, loyal to the lessons we learned from history and we've been the victims from oppression and used to being the minority. we understand what it's like to fight for justice and equality. we will lack at our politics for those who will stand up for communities of color. we will look for those and stand up for the little guy. we will look for those who stand up for protection of free speech and freedom of religion. everything donald trump does and every piece of his political agenda runs counter to what the overwhelming majority of us are loyal to. >> you should often note, i'd like to hear your feedback, we end up with these democratic
categories, about 5 million and there's a lot of different topics and not like one i wouldn't believe. we're talking about millions of people who have different views and different politics and run the gamut on views from everything from the tax cut to israel. >> what's ironic, if you have 5 or 6 million jews, you have at least 5 or 6 million different opinions because we disagree on everything all the time. one thing that does unite jewish americans is our overall distaste for donald trump. the level of disapproval for the president in the jewish community is higher among jews than any other subset of the population. there is no benefit to the republican party from going down this avenue and tie the notion you get political support from american jews for being a hard line right winger on israel is
one of the fallacies of american politics and constantly disproven election after election. >> are you surprised there's not more comments on this by republicans. we have seen republicans very anxious, both jewish and non-jewish anxious to call democrats anti-semitic often, particularly over the last six months. i have not seen a lot from kevin mccarthy or liz cheney going after -- >> we have watched the republican party lose any shred of its dignity it used to have on some of these issues. nothing is surprising. it is disturbing. the next time there is the slightest hint of controversy from a democrat, you can be sure the exact same people are leaping all over it. it's really disturbing, a moment we're at. the agenda in 2020, we have to change the direction this country is headed.
>> thanks for being with me, jeremy ben-ami. i will start with you because you've been writing a lot about this, about the discourse around anti-semitism and pluralism and the controversy of jews, a very diverse group and how high the stakes are for american jews to have functioning pleuralistic diverse democracies and opposition to what trump stands for. >> what we learned today, trump in a fundamental way sees jews much the same way he sees black americans or arab americans or hispanic americans, they are fundamentally not american in the same way white christians are. >> right. >> that belief understandably
alarms the majority of american jews because we understand citizenship is tied to ethnic background in that way, that eventually people are going to lock at us as suspect as foreigners, even though the president believes. i have to emphasize this. the president's filo semitism is not incompatible, not that he doesn't believe inanity stereotypes, he believes those qualities are positive. we don't like that. it's not actually a compliment when someone tells a jew, i heard you people are great with money. it's not something that makes us feel safe. people are understandably alarmed by trump preeting a well-known anti-semitic kanard, even though he's doing it as a positive thing. i will read a quote from the
former -- black guys counting my money, i hate it. the only people i want counting my money are short guys wearing yamakas everyday. >> i'm mexican and jewish and a progressive democrat. it's insane. one of the things i think is interesting adam references well, all these groups for him, mexicans, jews, are fundamentally in but not of the united states. we had that with the judge he's saying he's mexican. >> exactly. his loyalties. >> his loyalties aren't to this country and this attack on birthright and citizenship right now. this whole idea trying to literally expel. the other point really interesting what trump allows the right to have, they have
israel and anti-semitism, too. think of all the attacks on progressive democrats right now. what are they. socialists, urban, in cahoots with african-americans and muslim. and the pittsburgh shooting was about their support of refugees and migrants. the logic about this is white nationalism playing itself out being anti-semitic and hiding under the pro israel. >> it's a con run for many years, which is this strange alliance created between pro israel forces and jewish pro israel forces and right wing jewish pro israel forces and the right for strange the logical reasons, we're pro jewish and pro israel. those are the exact same thing. >> the strategic interests of
the state of israel and jews are not necessarily the same thing. for trump, because he's an ethnic nationalist, he only understands loyalty in two terms. he only understands loyalty to trump and loyalty to what he perceives to be your larger ethnic group. for him, this is an expression of his world view. jews are loyal to other jews and black people loyal to other black people and those of other backgrounds are no less american than anybody else. >> adam made this comment it is in the case throughout jewish history, various experiences high levels of assimilation can coalesce with others. there was a man arrested over an alleged threat to an ohio jewish certainty. a number of arrests and talk about getting the white
nationalism. >> the synagogue was firebombed a few years back. it's intensified. what's important here that relates to adam's work is the relationship of authoritarianism and anti-semitism and white supremacy. the group can be excluded from our life. it is a fundamental disagreement with the idea of the majority rules or weird view of the majority rules because it's not really the majority. if you can voter suppress african-americans and get places where people of color and jewish folks exist in large numbers and pivot to the rural predominantly white areas, that's rural america and you can disenfranchise. it's a multi-racial part of white exclusion. >> thank you for being with me.
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i'll be honest. when i was on vacation, i saw the story floating at the top of my imagination donald trump wanted to purchase green land, it was hilarious, plausible it was true and possibly one of those occasional interruptions in a meeting from our mud-brained president, not any staff work done, no paper, no plans, the guy at the bar leaning in, you know what we should do, buy greenland. i'm back from vacation and the president caused a general outright international incident by abruptly canceling a state dinner, by the way is an enormous deal he asked for over the apparent refusal of the
danish government to sell him, unclear whether him personally or the nation, greenland, not a thing they could even do. today, trump called the prime minister nasty, a word he uses for all kinds of women he can't control and the danish pm trapped in the weirdest news cycle of her career issued this news statement in english. >> it is with regret and surprise i receive the news president trump has cancelled his state visit to denmark on the 2nd and 3rd visit. i was looking forward to it. preparations on the way. there was a discussion about the potential sale of greenland. this has clearly been rejected and a position i share of course. >> more of the president causing an international incident on a whim.
>> it seems not a big deal until the president abruptly cancelled a state dinner. how often does that happen? >> rarely. these are highly coordinated visits of weeks and months and strengthening a relationship. denmark is part of the nato alliance. we have military bases on greenland. it is a key strike point coordinating with europe and russia. trump doesn't like nato and blamed the danes for not paying what he considers their fair share. unfortunately, this abrupt cancellation of a visit doesn't change anything on the military front. and this is a president whose foreign policy is rooted in the 1800s, we used to either envaid
places to uproot territory or buy them. that doesn't have to say what he thinks about the people that already live in these countries, 50,000 indigenous people. >> once a real estate developer, always a real estate developer, i guess. >> right. not sure if it's 1800s or 1400s, feels like, i want it, why wouldn't i take it. there's obviously increasing geostri geostrategic relevance because the arctic is melting. >> it increases every year because of global warming the president says is a hoax because it's becoming a warmer place. >> exactly. >> of all the crazy things that come out of his mouth and decisions in the past 24 hours
or so, this is the most bizarre in some things. you can come up with explanations of the other things, it appeals to his base. i don't know what's actually going on but you can pose it on it. i don't know where the constituency is we need to show denmark who is boss. >> and that he famously hates the danes. >> he won't reject a woman in that way but he is scheduled to visit in three or four weeks and maybe feels like, i don't want the baby blimp and -- >> you said in the makeup room, maybe he doesn't want to go. >> it's an easy excuse. age-old question. why buy when you can rent or lease? we're effectively renting it. >> we already have the base there. >> what else do we need in the
next couple of months or years. >> he went back on this nato rant today where he talks about it as a protection racket and super weird and the most caustically cynical extreme leftist marxist views of world affairs, like his model how it all should work. but it is a case he has to deal with international leaders. we keep going on, there's the tinder box. there are high stakes problems in the world. >> the border of syria. there are a lot of different send sender -- tinder boxes. this is funny to us and this is a blip and we will return to
normalcy. if you're the leader of a different country, you don't see this as a blip, a highly unstable country and in the future we cannot rely on things like meet me for dinner, never mind big agreements like the paris accords or anything else. it is going to undermine and rightfully so. this country is rightfully unstable. we could get someone like obama and four or eight years later get someone like trump. >> it's not like trump and the leadership of braun, it does show they're itching for something else. love letters with north korea. we literally went to war in the persian gulf to protect the territorial integrity of kuwait. if that's what we used to be, what is the united states now? will we turn back the clock and take another territory like
parts of texas? it is something we have wrestled with for some time and clearly not from donald trump. >> she said two years ago thankfully the time you buy and sell other countries and populations is over. the truth sayer. thank you very much. a plan to holding my grant children indefinitely is over. after this. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from anyone else.
indefinitely maintain migrant families for the duration. that is a violation of a consent decree that according to a judge limits detention time to four days. and they tried to make a humanitarian case arguing they're doing this for the sheer compassion of children they will detain. >> no child should be pawn in a scheme to manipulate our immigration system which is why the new rule eliminates incentive to exploit children as a free ticket or as one woman from guatemala told me, a passport to the united states. >> following this news very closely, covers the department of homeland security and department of justice for the msnbc news investigative unit. what are they announcing today? >> they're announcing today on friday they will publish this final rule they proposed about a year ago. they say within 60 days, they
will be holding migrant families in detention indefinitely. they will no longer abide by this 20 day rule in place since 2015 that says children can't be held any longer than that because a judge said that they were state -- you couldn't hold a child in a facility that didn't have a state license. what they want to do is say, i.c.e. has licensed them, doesn't matter if the state has, they want to hold them. they run into two tough points there. logistics. they don't have enough space. only for 3,000 to be kept and over 4,000 have crossed the border this fiscal year. you're talking about affecting a small population, especially holding them and taking up deads indefinitely. then, there's a legal challenge and likely they will end up in court. administration officials i talked to said they are expecting that and did not expect this to go forward in october because they have to
wait for legal challenges to be resolved. >> this was a consent decree and the original lawsuit was about mistreatment of migrants in the united states. this settlement that happened in 2015 when the obama administration was on the other side of the litigation, a judge has to okay this at some point, right? >> this has been under the purview of judge dolly gee in the ninth circuit, said they had to be processed within 5 days. she said, this also applies to children held with families. the reason was in 2014 the obama administration started to detain them with families coming across the border. she said, about how long does it take to process them, asylum claims and medical attention. at the time, the obama administration said, about 20 days. that's how we got that limit. what the administration wants to do here and there's no parsing
around this, they want to get this out of this judge's hand and want it appealed and go higher in different circuits. they find they have run into a roadblock with this particular judge. if they ever want to get around this they need to get into something big and bold even though they know within a day ey will already end up in court. >> thank you for that reporting. i'd like to turn to the democrat who sits on the subcommittee. my sense is you're strongly opposed to this proposal, why? >> you got that right. we already know from so many child specialists that detaining children in these kinds of facilities does irreparable damage to them. there are alternatives to family detention this administration could care less about. as julia said, the only way to get around the consent agreement is by getting around it by
proposing or having this rule, which will be immediately challenged. they want to detain families indefinitely, children indefinitely, held in situations that do them absolutely no good when there are alternatives. >> we should say the facility where a lot of this detention is happening is in dilley, texas, it is somewhat notorious, family detention was done under the obama administration and subcontracted to a private contractor that runs it. one headline in 2015. recently another mother who had been there testified about her baby daughter dying of illness after being there. you've been to dilley. what do you think about the conditions there? >> not good. these families should not be detained. thousands and thousands of migrant families being detained
doing irreparable harm to children. i can't forget when i was there, a little boy silently crying. who knows what was going through his mind. not good. there are alternatives i keep mentioning. i did have a shadow hearing on what happens in these facilities and the children. clearly, they are harmed irreparably. our country should not be imposing that kind of cruelty on children. i think the trump administration people sit around every single day thinking ways to be cruel to these migrants. tomorrow, they will probably come up with something else. >> you were one of the senators, i think 88 of them for the 5.5 billion supplemental to dhs, a showdown whether dhs needed more money for capacity. given what they're doing now, do you still stand by that vote?
there were others saying you are giving money to this agency with insufficient strings attached. >> i did not vote for that as a matter of fact, because it didn't have sufficient parameters. of course i realize that. a number of bills that lead to fair treatment of migrant families because they have every right to seek asylum, fair process, humane treatment and really addressing the root causes what's going on in the countries they are fleeing from. i support those kinds of measures that truly do something to change the equation in terms of what's happening to these migrants and their families. that's not where the trump administration is coming from. >> you co-sponsored with another senator that would change the
way the dhs is dealing with these families, monitoring release, case work, things like that. is there any universe on which mitch mcconnell moves on that? >> you know. bottom line, the people making decisions on these kinds of bills including we should not have for profit entities running these facilities. they have no incentive to do the right thing. the only way we're going to change the people who will be voting on these measures is to change the people, the decision-makers. that's why everyone has to be aware what our country is doing in our name supposedly, certainly not in my name or yours, that the people who vote have got to change. that certainly starts in my view with mitch mcconnell, who is one of the most ruthless people i know and proud to call himself the grim reaper, who will never bring any of these bills to the
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>> five or six years before i even thought about running for whatever reason, they named me "man of the year" in michigan. i said, how come? i didn't understand it myself. in michigan, they gave me an award, six, seven years ago, i had no idea. "man of the year" in michigan. six years ago, i wasn't even running, they gave me an award, the republican of the year. i made the speech in michigan. >> i got the "man of the year" award. >> five or six years ago i was given "man of the year" in michigan. >> i was "man of the year" in michigan, five or six years ago. that was a great honor for me. >> donald trump is lots of things but michigan "man of the year" is not one of them. it's not even an award that exists in real life, just in trump's brain. in trump's brain he has won lots of awarding including this fake one hung in his country club. clb
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the people of japan, who give out a thing called the nobel prize. he says, i have nominated you. that was from the emmys. i sang "green acres" and received a very nice award that day. >> so, none of that is true. the real question is does donald trump believe it's true or does he just think we're all stupid? >> i hear good things about the way australia is being run and running. you just had some -- your financial genius just got a nice award, voted the best in the world at this time. i don't know who gives him that award, maybe he does. no, i don't know. i do that. i give myself awards all the time and then i announce i just received an award. there's nothing deceptive about it because i actually did, i gave it to myself. gave it to myself.ad ... relief s fast. strength that lasts.
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is extremely dangerous provocative thing and took a big churning of somebo chunk of somebody's land and called it theirs.the history of bora bora and genocide. russia is a big power and nobody will go to war with russia over that. what can you do? sanctions. the u.s. along with other world powers gave them sanctions and booted them out of the g8 for someone who wants to be part of this elite club of nations and that is why russia is not part of the g8 and they downed a passenger plane killing almost 300 people. just this past june, prosecutors charged russians with shooting down that jet and resulted in more outrage and sanctions. russians got involved in the
brexit vote and took this campaign to sabotage the u.s. presidential election 2016. in fact, part of why russia went after our election was to find a president who would remove those sanctions that emanated from them officially recognized and have those sanctions removed. that is why it's music to their ears when the american president who they worked very hard to elect illegally says this. >> they were taken out because putin outsmarted -- on crimea, on the red line, on other things, totally outsmarted obama. obama was upset, they took him out. i think russia should be a part of it, because we're looking for world peace and other things. and other things, and it would be a lot easier to have russia in where they had always been. >> right, so barack obama was upset, so they were kicked out of the g8. what donald trump just said is what vladimir putin wants. a u.s. president that will look past their military aggression
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continue to be fascinating watching donald trump wriggle around pinned in place by the power of the nra. an organization near ruins falling apart day by day. and yet the nra and the gun owner identity politics it has unleashed on to our nation are strong enough to make the president cowher and slink and moonwalk away from positions that he knows very well are popular. compare the wilton insanity of the current nra where everyone is suing each other to the continued par of the -- overseen by a federal agency that would include in person interviews and a 10-day wait before gun purchases are approved. a ban on assault weapons, a mandatory gun buy back program.
and they plan to continue focusing on the youth vote for 2020. for that i'm joined by congressman eric swalwell who has an eight part plan to end gun violence. >> let me start with you on the blow by blow of what is going on over at the nra which you have been reporting about. >> it's a blood feud and the blood is running down the streets for all to see. in the spring, it's -- the nra president was trying to privately warn board members that they needed to look at the financial decisions, the financial spending, the deficit that the nra was in, and also some unusual and curious legal fees that were in the tens of millions of dollars, when that president was urging that wayne la tierre who is the chief
executive of the nra push to have the board oust that president, ollie north, and the two are now suing each other as is the key vendor that really defined the nra's image for 30 years. they are in a war over who knew what, whose financial decision making might have been corrupt or illegal. who was in charge and really now two different state ag's are investigating what the truth is. >> congressman, what's striking to me is that the wayne lapierre, the person at the center of the battle, that carol's been reporting about has made a few calls to the president, and with a few calls has gotten him to back off. legislation which by the way is overwhelmingly popular in poll after poll after poll, if it came up, i think there would probably be the votes to pass it frankly, in both houses.
what do you attribute that too, how do you understand the politics as a moment when the institutional nra is so bee set by scandal and so weak? >> the president is never going to abandon the nra, chris. and so we have to act accordingly, and when the white house and when the senate. but we gave the nra the benefit of the doubt for too long, which is they had a perverse interpretation of the second amendment in he reality, carol's reporting has shown, it's worse, it's greed and gristing and perhaps the red flag if you will on this, should have been that the russians were funning the nra and they allowed it to happen anyway. there are no gun rights in russia. the fact that the nra would take all of that money shows it was about greed and mr. lapierre's hotel stays, trips and suits, i think they're on the ropes, what we should do is put our foot on
the pedal and not just have future bans. we should have present bans, these weapons if you grandfather them in assault weapons and the magazines, they'll be around for decades when the public wants them all gone now. >> the nra did well in the obama years under a democratic president, the idea that the gun control was an adjacent threat to its members. we're what stand between that, in the era of trump it kind of had to reinvent itself in some ways. they wept for there were no more worlds to concur. they became this cultural organization, i watched nra ads that had nothing to do with guns that looked indistinguishable from other right wing media you might see. >> i totally agree with you, chris. the nra has a hard time rattling
the savers and saying we are in desperate need of your funds and help and we have to protect the second amendment. what's almost more eerie in the era of trump, though, all of this material about what was going on behind the scenes as the congressman alluded to about the spending, the effort to buy a $6 million house for nra funds for wayne lapierre. the bahamas, while that's going on and the nra membership is getting fed up. and wayne lapierre is on the ropes and under investigation. the president is also under a lot of pressure, two shootings, 31 people dead. one of those shootings, the president was the president of the united states who encouraged that shooter. national gun registry as
called for in your plan and the parkland survivor's plan. do you see that as becoming a democratic consensus point? >> yes, and responsible gun owners are going to come around to this. the more they see doing nothing will only lead to more and more calls for reforms, getting them on board to have responsible gun ownership and alienate those that are not responsible is the issue here. >> that is all in this evening. rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thanks my friend, much appreciated. thanks for joining us at home this hour, it was so hot to begin with. and then the increase in hot air in the immediate vicinity, was so rapid, so relentless that at least one reporter's cell phone just up and passed out. 2 wasn't that the battery died, the phone died from heat exhaustion. this was jennifer jacobs at