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continue to do it. >> so important and so important we need to get tim back and some other people. >> that was a good conversation today. >> it was. >> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. thanks so much, mika and joe. hi there. i'm stephanie ruhle. it is thursday, september 5th. here's what's happening now. hurricane dorian is not going quietly. in fact, it's gotten stronger as it moves up the east coast. this morning it is back to a category 3 storm as it slams into the carolinas, already flooding some areas including the historic city of charleston, and it is only going to get worse throughout the day. while people are hunkering down there, residents in the bahamas are just coming to grips with all that they have lost. that loss is staggering. the official death toll now at 20. the number is expected to go up as rescue workers pick through the devastation. at this point, more than 5,000 people are listed on social media as missing since the storm. although it is not clear how
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many are simply cut off from communication. we are covering every angle of the story with people up and down the coast. we'll get to the bahamas in just a moment, but first i want to go to charleston, which is taking the brunt of the storm right now. my colleague, partner, friend, ali velshi, standing by. ali, i want you to go inside but before you do, my goodness. tell me what is going on there. >> so this is, stephanie, first of all, i got to tell you as my partner people know you take care of me but should know i arrived here in a suit yesterday and the only reason i have this protective gear is because of you. thank you, my friend. this is east. this is charleston harbor right next to me. it goes out into the atlantic ocean. just beyond where it goes into the ocean is where the eye of the storm is right now. just a little bit southeast of us. it's not going to come in to charleston harbor but this over the course of the next six, seven, eight hours we're going to get increasingly high winds. right now i think we're seeing gusts about 45, maybe even as high as 50 miles an hour, then
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it calms down very suddenly and then it starts again. here's the problem. it's a triple threat where we are right now. it's not the eye of the storm that's the closest to us but the rotation of the winds means that the water is coming in here from the northeast. it has nowhere to go in charleston harbor. you got water coming in from the northeast. you've got a high tide. by noon, 1:00, we should have the highest tide here. and you've got storm surge coming in. so the winds will get stronger than they are now. but that's not where the damage here is going to come from. it's going to come from offshore flooding, from storm surge, and from inland flooding. we're in the low lands of the carolinas right now. the water is saturated. the land is saturated. there is no place for this water to go. they've actually taken pains around charleston to lower the water levels in some lakes. they've called for an evacuation. about 500,000 people in this general area. many have left. the city is mostly empty.
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mount pleasant, areas like that. some people are hunkered down in their homes but most people have left. the issue here and in every storm, stephanie, is going to be flooding. the winds will be heavy probably for the next six or eight hours. i'll see winds like this. just completely stopped now and then we'll get another squall but this water is coming in, most of downtown is flooded. they've opened up the parking structures. there are multi level parking structures in charleston, so people can park their cars above ground. that's going to be the problem we're seeing here. it has started flooding and the worst of it isn't here. the good news is that storm is probably not going to get substantially closer to charleston than it is now, but it did increase in strength overnight. the eyewall did form a little bit more properly. it may make landfall north of here in the same place that hurricane florence did or tropical storm florence did a year ago somewhere north of wilmington, morehead city, cape hatteras, that area. so for now, we're okay here but there's going to be flooding in
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the area in and around charleston, steph. >> you called it a triple threat and i'm calling on you to head back inside, please. i'm going to check in with you later. let's go now to msnbc meteorologist michelle grossman. michelle, just yesterday when you and i were speaking you said, this storm is unpredictable. it certainly is delivering. it is now stronger than we expected. >> overnight we jumped 10 miles per hour so bump us back into a category 3 storm. the entire time this began on august 23rd as a depression and became a hurricane a few days later so almost every day has been surprising to us. now, take a look at radar. we are looking at heavy rain. you saw ali's live shot. they already have 4 inches of rain. charleston cannot handle a lot of rain in the roadways. they'll get 2 to 3 inches per hour in some of those squalls. we'll be watching ali very closely during the day and all up along the coast here. let's give you the latest 70 miles southeast of charleston, south carolina. winds are at 115 miles per hour. that is a category 3 storm. we are looking at a very strong
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storm battering the coast all throughout the day. it's going to be a miserable 24 hours for residents all along the coast here. moving at 8 miles per hour not a fast clip but still quicker than it could be. as we go through the coast here we'll see a category 3 storm weakening to category 2. this is where we're looking, though, the north carolina coast. this is what we'll focus on, throughout today and also tomorrow. >> thanks so much, michelle. i want to turn now to kerry sanders who was able to see the devastation in the bahamas with his own eyes. he is now in south florida. kerry, you have been covering storms for years. what struck you about this one? >> reporter: it is the widespread nature of the destruction and just the truly sad devastation because of the weariness of really the desperation of the survivors. imagine that they are now days after the hurricane but in many
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ways still have not had contact with the outside world. nobody knows they are alive and they're running short if they have water and any sort of supplies. so we joined on day two of the u.s. customs border protection reference flights out to the devastated areas. this is great abaco here. we were with the air and marine operations unit that just, as they flew over, looked down, and saw people waving, and so the only way to really get there, because there is so much debris in the water, is to get there by helicopter. you can't get there by boat. they set down and we met the harris family. the harris family who had survived the 220-mile-per-hour winds, the incredible category 5 storm surge, and lost most of their home, but, thankfully, were alive. and among those at the harris family home, of course, were their children.
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11-year-old and 8-year-old samantha and sophie. and this is what they had to say after their experience. how was it, sophie? >> bad. >> reporter: can you describe it? >> i didn't like it. it was terrible. >> it was scary but i'm glad we're still alive and we're safe. >> reporter: were you afraid you might not survive? >> yeah. for a while. >> reporter: what did you say to your mom and dad? >> i love you. >> reporter: and that was the hardest one. i asked her father about your daughter saying, i love you, realizing the situation that they were in. fortunately, as i said, u.s. customs was able to get its air operations, one of these choppers here to land and get them out. we flew out with them. you can see them on the helicopter here as they're flying out. very thankful to be taken to nassau, where they're going to get to the next step of recovery. first step, though, was to get a little bit of hydration, which was given to them onboard the helicopter. guys, the operations here at
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u.s. customs will be airborne once again, day three of search and rescues. >> all right. kerry, thank you so much. let's go now to the capital of the bahamas where mariana atencio is standing by. mariana, you and i have been speaking for days to survivors, you've spoken to health officials. what are they telling you? this rescue mission will be going on for days if not weeks. they must be exhausted. >> reporter: it is such a complex operation, stephanie. just so many layers to it. the biggest challenge right now is telecommunications. in places like abaco island, places like grand bahama there are no calms. you have rescue efforts sifting through piles and piles of devastation and damage to try to find the missing and pull out these families. i'll go directly to the source here at princess margaret hospital. this is the minister of health. and i thank you, sir, on such a busy day for taking the time to speak with us. can you give stephanie ruhle and
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our audience in the united states an update on the numbers? any updates on the numbers of deceased and the missing? >> so we would have updated the confirmed number of deaths to 20 as of last night. we fully expect that number is going to increase significantly. but until we have absolute, verifiable, confirmed information, we are not going to allow speculative reports to take over. in terms of number of injured persons evacuated to nassau from abaco, roughly 80 persons and then about five or six from grand bahama. we have had an incredible amount of support from the u.s. coast guard and other international partners. they have just been spectacular. in what is an historic, devastating, category 5 hurricane, to see the outpouring of support and the assistance in real time has been heart warming. >> reporter: we are here, sir,
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at princess margaret hospital where the main medical evacuees are being brought. can you tell us the kinds of injuries they're coming in with, the state they're coming in? >> it runs the gamut from broken bones, some with spine injuries. we've had lacerations, partial amputations, head injuries requiring neuro surgery. we have had a number of people with metabolic challenges. we've had maternity based issues. it's run the entire spectrum and, unfortunately, even some of the evacuees have died subsequent to transportation to definitive care. >> reporter: briefly, sir, is there anything, any tragedy, natural disaster you could compare this with? >> you know, in going through my thoughts about this, this apocalyptic event is our katrina moment. and, certainly, i can only say thank you to every bahamian. all of our health professionals, the national security
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professionals, everybody who has chipped together to make this recovery happen. >> reporter: thank you so much, sir. the bahamian minister of health, stephanie, calling this our katrina moment. steph, back to you. >> thank you so much. next, we just got our first look at the list of projects getting funding pulled. that's right. projects losing their funding so the president can pay for his border wall. and you will not believe where the money is coming from. but first, why did the hurricane map president trump showed off in the oval office look so different from all the others? we'll dig into that.
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as hurricane dorian threatens millions along the east coast, the president is hung up on a small detail that has nothing to do with the safety of residents in georgia or the carolinas where the storm is expected to hit today. it began last week when the president warned alabama that it was in the storm's path. the national weather service quickly corrected the president but he insisted the storm map he originally saw included the state of alabama. then yesterday as the president addressed reporters about the storm, he did it in front of a map that showed the storm's track but when you look closely at this map, you will notice a thick, black line that extends the threat zone to include alabama. when reporters asked the president why it appeared there was a sharpy drawn on the official map from the national hurricane center this is what the president had to say.
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>> i know alabama was in the original forecast. they thought they would get it. actually we have a better map which is going to be presented where we had many lines going directly, many models, each line being a model and they were going directly through and in all cases alabama was hit. if not lightly in some cases pretty hard. >> that map you had today almost looks like a sharpy. >> i don't know. i don't know. >> okay. >> i don't know either. peter alexander is at the white house. what in the world is going on here? >> reporter: stephanie, the president as you hear the construction crews banging away, the president himself is digging in i guess you could say even as the storm lashes the carolinas this morning. he is again tweeting in defense of the original statement that alabama could be hit by hurricane dorian that earned the president a fact check from the national weather service in almost real time. president trump this morning
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arguing that his early warnings were accurate. he wrote today certain models strongly suggested alabama and georgia would be hit as it made its way through florida and into the gulf instead it turned north and up the coast where it continues now. of course you remember when he initially delivered that warning on sunday alabama was not in any danger. the national weather service said the following. alabama will not see any impacts from dorian. all of this for some at home may seem small but the president's words matter. in this case he reportedly doctored that map to prove his argument instead of simply acknowledging a mistake. last night he tweeted out the spaghetti line models from the south florida water management district that came with the series of disclaimers. one of them read, these are automated products that have not been quality checked. the bottom line here, steph, in times of natural disasters people in the affected areas look to the president and federal government for credible information and confidence and this episode you can safely say
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is undermining both. >> without a doubt. joining us now shannon pettypiece, former congressman ryan costello who represented the state of pennsylvania, and my dear friend ben white politico's chief economic correspondent. ben, to you first. there are many people, americans, specifically in south carolina. we just saw my partner ali velshi, they are in the storm's path, still a category 3. why on earth are we still talking about this? >> if i had an answer i could maybe solve the world's problems. it is the craziest, most frustrating thing because obviously none this of matters. the fact that he was wrong about alabama initially any normal president could simply have said initial reports suggested perhaps alabama might be impacted. that is not the case. i'm glad. now let's focus who is in the path of this storm and taking care of them. he is incapable of doing that, incapable of ever admitting
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error on anything which is a psychological trait damaging to the presidency and hurting the american people. let's not forget it is a federal crime to doctor a weather map in the way he allegedly doctored it with a jail term up to 90 days. there is a reason for that because people can be misled and resources misdirected. that is the real problem here, a psychological, structural problem in the president he is incapable of overcoming. >> shannon, do you agree? the president is calling this the fake news media ganging up on him again and lots of people are exhausted by that narrative. why is this important? why should people at home care about it? >> well, stephanie, i think this is important because it's one more example of the white house basically doctoring evidence to fit the president's version of events or his perception of reality. i was going back and because this seemed eerily familiar to me that we are shown some piece of supposed evidence that doesn't seem to match any other version of reality and i just
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could think, come up with a number of examples obviously from the very first day of this administration in the briefing room where i'm standing when press secretary sean spicer used photos we later learned were cropped and edited to show a bigger crowd size on the inauguration day, there was the voter fraud commission created to tamp back the president's claim of a million illegal votes in the election that would have, you know, cost him the electoral victory. that commission moishldarshallet of resources from the government and ended up being disbanded without any evidence. there was the comey wiretapping where he requested congress investigate this false claim, again, you know, sending government resources to investigate something based on a false perception of reality. and, i mean, we have been told, i have been told by the administration official that there was indeed a sharpy that was used to make that black line on the map. that is the president is known for signing documents with a sharpy so i'm not surprised one would have been around.
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it is an altered piece of evidence used to support his narrative that we keep seeing over and over again. the president makes repeated false claims, well documented, but these examples take it to another level. >> congressman, you are not currently in office but i'd love to know how republicans view this because this is not about whether or not alabama is in the storm's path. the president, whether he made a mistake or lied about it could have said, i made a mistake. instead, he has stood by that claim, doubled down on it, and taken it further. and it's not the first or second or even 20th time we've seen this from the president. so members of the gop, lawmakers who stand by and stand with the president time and again, has anybody called you in the last 24 hours? >> well, there is some head shaking that goes on when these things happen. i think if sharpy-gate didn't happen no one is talking about the fact alabama was included in a tweet. the more serious point is when
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dealing with the emergency management, one thing when you're tweeting political confrontation and joe biden says this or elizabeth warren says this. i'm going to whack you back on twitter. when you're dealing with emergency management, national security, things of that import you need to reduce things to the basic facts so that local government officials are able to plan. and the thought i had was if i am running emergency operations in alabama what do i do when residents and local law enforcement officials and ambulances and services and hospitals along the coast where the sharpy is included, what do i do when those residents call me? i don't know. do you say that's bogus in which case it's another news story and you've drawn the ire of the president or do you say, oh, yes it might happen at which point in time then you need to instigate an emergency operations plan which costs money out of local government budgets. when you really drill down to it that is where sharpy-gate
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actually does have some legitimate, real world consequences on the ground. >> well, while all of this was happening a number of democratic candidates were talking climate change. i want to share what candidate pete buttigieg had to say about the president and the altered map. >> the president is busy drawing with a sharpy on a hurricane map? he's completely in a different reality than the rest of us. and the problem is we don't have the luxury of debating whether this is an issue. so i can't think of anything i could ask him, other than would you please step aside and allow us to do something about this issue because you're clearly not ready to leave? >> a reminder the issue he is talking, climate change not sharpygate. ben, pete buttigieg is saying the president lives in an alternate reality when it comes to acknowledging and doing something about climate change. are there many voters who are in line with the president on that? >> there probably are. i mean, this is where the democratic party gets into a little bit of trouble if they're asking people to make massive
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lifestyle changes based on the threat. the green new deal. not that any of these policy ideas are necessarily wrong and that climate change is obviously an existential threat to the country and needs to be addressed in a major way and i think pete buttigieg is talking about that, but it's not, also not incorrect to say that massive changes that require, you know, changes in the way we use fossil fuels down to the way we use straws, that is potentially problematic for democrats in the general election but i think there is broad agreement in the country that something needs to be done about it and the larger point that the congressman made about sharpygate is the correct one in that if you're talking crowd sizes and pictures and politics that's all we could deal with that. that is in the realm of the usually daily craziness. this is the use of resources to protect people's lives. and diverting them in ways that could be dangerous to people's lives and leaving state officials in alabama unaware of what to do and how to deal with the president. that is why something like this which sounds like another crazy trump story is very significant.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. as we speak the eye of hurricane dorian is just 70 miles from charleston, south carolina. kathy park is there. what's it like? >> reporter: stephanie, good morning. as you can see we are still being slammed by dorian. we're getting these intense wind gusts and the rain continues to fall. we haven't had a break from this rain and it's leading to a lot of flash flooding on the ground. so we are here at the marina. if you take a look over to my left you can see the boats are rocking. the water is moving very quickly. it is starting to rise. we keep talking about the 2:00 p.m. hour which is when high tide is supposed to happen. the concern there is that the situation could go from bad to worse and there could be even more coastal flooding. officials are telling folks you don't want to be in conditions like this, for obvious reasons,
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and telling folks to shelter in place. conditions are deteriorating all very quickly, getting lots of reports of widespread power outages, structural damage, as well as snapped trees. as you know, steph, this is going to be in our area for the next couple hours before it makes its march up north. >> kathy, thank you. we'll check in with you in just a few. we got to move on. the most important fight of our lifetime. that is how presidential candidate mayor pete buttigieg described the climate crisis when he took the stage with nine other democratic contenders at a krn town hall last night. the presidential hopefuls dedicated a full evening to address the issue and all promised to put it at the top of their ajegendas if elected president. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins us with more. did anyone stand out to you last night? it seems like all of the candidates are pretty much on the same page when it comes to this issue. it must be dealt with. >> yeah. it was something to watch the number of candidates that released plans ahead of last
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night's town hall there. most of these plans outlined major climate action that would require congressional action. most of these plans costing the federal government from $1.5 trillion to $3 trillion. kamala harris proposing a public/private partnership. what you heard was each of the ten candidates having to address the serious issue of climate change over the course of 30 minutes. going through these, there are questions pertaining to particularly those on both coasts. you have the democrats that are essentially targeting the east coast saying, look at the rising sea levels. look at the hurricanes. to those in the midwest look at the floods, the droughts. to those in the west coast, look at the number of wildfires that have been taking place. i want to play a little bit of what we heard last night from some of the candidates. >> this is on par with winning world war ii. perhaps even more challenging than that. >> do you think the government should be in the business of telling you what kind of light bulb you can have? >> this is exactly what the
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fossil fuel industry hopes we're all talking about. that's what they want us to talk about. this is a problem, they want to be able to stir up a lot of controversy around your light bulbs, your straws, and your cheeseburgers. >> to me, safe drinking water is a fundamental, human right. people look up and say, oh, we're replacing the pipes is expensive or another substance. are you kidding me? you know what is expensive? poisoning our kids. >> i think it was the bite from elizabeth warren that is going to be talked about from the democratic side. she said that the republicans and donald trump are going to want to use the elimination of hamburgers, elimination of people's abld to use certain light bulbs or plastic straws is really their counter argument to the democratic policies being proposed from the stage last night. >> thanks. joining us now to discuss, former spokesperson for the house oversight committee, and congressman costello back with me. let's stay on that. elizabeth warren making that
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interesting point last night trying to separate the sort of flashy climate change arguments about paper straws and stop eating meat and talk about the larger, broader problem. is that a good strategy? >> it is. when you're talking about something as significant and complicated as the climate crisis you need a way to talk about it that is digestible for the american people in a way they can wrap their arms around the problem. the idea that for so long we've heard about the climate crisis and politically speaking it was these larger than life terms, glaciers melting, sea levels rising, catastrophe, gloom and doom, and i think a lot of people had a tough time visualizing what that really meant. part of what we saw last night were the candidates actually making a lot more real, a lot more tangible for the american people to wrap their arms around. i thought liz warren and pete buttigieg did the best job of that last night. >> congressman, do republicans on some level need to start getting focused on climate change? "the washington post" has a piece out talking about the
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growing number of republicans in florida. a massively important state when it comes to the 2020 election who are growing more and more concerned about climate change because of the natural disasters they are facing. >> the answer is yes. i think coastal republicans are kind of on the front line of being more proactive in the climate space as well as i think more moderate republicans. i would like to add to what vaughn said a little while ago. i do think that most voters look at the climate challenge through the lens of whether it floods in their neighborhood or whether it's rising sea levels or whether it's forest fires out west. the more we can localize what the impact and cost is the better. i think the challenge for democrats last night and i watched many of them, isn't so much the cheeseburger straw stuff. i think that falls by the wayside. but natural gas is extremely important and if you look at why coal usage has gone down it is because of the rise in natural
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gas. what we need to do and i agree with what was just said about pete buttigieg who talked about putting a price on carbon and returning the dividend back to the american people so the additional costs in any consumer pricing or usage does not detrimentally impact the pocketbooks of low and middle income americans. that's the real, proper solution to solve the issue. bernie sanders, i think, goes way too far when he talks about democratizing our energy markets. that is not democracy. that's something else. so i think that for republican voters, not so much president trump, but republican voters are looking for a solution and i think there is a bit of a division in the democratic party between more market based solutions and nonmarket based solutions. >> okay. then what position does it put the republicans in? we've seen mitch mcconnell mock the green new deal. if the democratic candidate ends up with a more moderate, pete
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buttigieg approach, how can republicans counteract that? >> i think pete actually laid it out last night. the challenge republicans have, when he said outright it's not just donald trump. it is the entire republican party here that's been rejecting climate science for decades and they are the ones collectively that will be on the wrong side of history in the long run. i think the congressman is right that there is a whole different swath now the republican party that's feeling the effects of climate change in their back yard. when it's their house that's burned down, their home that's flooding, when the devastating climate instances keep happening, they're the ones who are suffering the consequences and wondering what's going on, why is it happening? what can be done to fix it? democrats seem to be the only ones interested in having a conversation about fixing that problem for them while republicans are still in some sort of semblance of denialism and i think that is going to really hurt them down the road. >> congressman, i want to switch gears a bit. yesterday two more congressmen announced they will not seek re-election next year. that marks the 14th republican
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congressman and 5th from the state of texas exiting politics this year. last year you retired. why are you and so many of your former colleagues hanging it up? >> so i think with jim sensenbrenner, who is one of the two, he has been kind of on retirement watch, one of the second or third longest serving members of congress. >> hold on. don't we say that about members of congress all the time and they keep coming on back? >> i think that's probably true. i think in the case of bill flores maybe it's a little bit different story. i don't want to speak on behalf of bill. i did speak on committee with him. bill is a former ceo and is kind of used to being in charge. when you're in congress for a couple terms you start looking around and realize you are not as in charge as you'd like to be. >> you think none of this has to do with the president and his agenda? >> i can't speak for them. but i do think as we head into 2020 and you look at the outlook of what 2022 is you start to see
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a lot of reports on redistricting efforts and going into 2022. it is possible the republicans get the majority back. there are 31 democrats in trump held congressional districts. i would lean a little less softly on some of the narrative some forecasters like to prognosticate with. in the next six months if you start seeing retirements in the more competitive republican held seats i think that narrative gains more credibility. >> we'll be watching. 14. not a small number. congressman, thank you. thanks so much. coming up, markets soaring this morning after reports that chinese negotiators will be returning to washington d.c. for trade talks. my next guest says the administration is riding a rubber ducky into alligator infested waters. that's a visual. money, power, politics next. urs♪ ♪ each careful step ♪ along the byway
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it is time for "money, power, politics." new developments in u.s./china trade talks sent markets soaring this morning. trade representative robert lighthizer and secretary steven mnuchin spoke with vice premier lu of china. both parties have agreed they do want to move forward with negotiations. but that is just one of the economic issues that the president is dealing with. the u.s. manufacturing sector got smaller for the first time in three years. 3 out of 4 economists believe a recession will hit in the next two years. joining me now my dearest friend
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former editor of bloomberg business week megan murphy is here. cnbc contributor josh brown and ben white back with me. this sounds like good news. the tariff war with china keeps ramping up but if they sit down and actually come to a solution, that is a massive win. >> let's not play the cart ahead of the horse. it is good to hear that there is going to be another meeting to talk about the trade war. look, what we're finding out is trade wars ain't that easy to win. this has been a year going on. you put up the manufacturing numbers. we see contraction in that sector. that's one alarming sign, sort of balanced out by strong consumer spending, still. when you look at the trade war and the impact the most important impact it is having is just a total lack of certainty among businesses to plan for the future. it is, yes, coming through and we'll see it impact the consumer more because the levies are going to start on things like sports equipment, clothing,
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phones, and those components coming in. really it is just businesses have no certainty, no confidence, are operating in an environment where the policy on china seems to change tweet to tweet. it is impossible to make the necessary planning and understand and we are starting to see it in the sectors trump has staked his future on, among farming in particular, this manufacturing sector, we see factory outputs slumping. this is a huge risk for him politically going forward in terms of taking away his greatest asset which is a strong economy and actually the self-inflicted trade war wounds. >> businesses not spending is not disaster territory. we saw businesses pull back during the end of the obama administration because they were worried about potential regulation. when you actually look, unemployment is historically low. wages are ticking up. consumers are spending. sam zelle just yesterday said listen, i get there are warning signs, but i don't actually see a recession before 2020.
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>> a couple things. on the china front i feel like we live in a yo-yo on this thing. trade talks are on, off, trump is tweeting, not tweeting. markets are going to go up on the latest but not be any different than they were two years ago. on the economy i agree a slight pullback in manufacturing and some less capital expenditures by business is not necessarily nightmarish for the economy. what i worry about and we look at in the jobs report coming out friday is are we ratcheting down in the number of jobs but is the work week getting shorter? the work week got shorter in july. if it gets shorter again in august that means employers are increasingly worried about recession coming. they're worried about the impact of the trade war, not asking workers to work as much. usually when we see a shorter work week the next thing we see are smaller jobs reports, less consumer spending. if you take that pillar out, manufacturing declining, cap kp declining, and the consumer declining, that is recession. >> the president while you were speaking just tweeting really good jobs numbers are coming.
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really good jobs numbers coming. when you look at this, and we get a good jobs number but the president's promise was i'm going to bring manufacturing jobs back and we know from the manufacturing number from august it's contracting, how do you balance the two? >> this the grand irony of the trump presidency. it was incredible. >> there is a lot of grand irony. i mean, like -- get your pen out. >> i'll give you the one relative to this discussion but you're right. when you think about the constituency who has benefited most from the trump presidency, it's the constituency that would rather be dead than vote for him. it's people with huge stock portfolios. >> would rather be dead than vote for him? would rather be dead than hang out with him? those are two different things. people will quietly vote for him and not put a megahat on. >> fair. just think of this juxtaposition. u.s. farmers, soybean farmers, corn farmers, grain farmers
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being asked to suffer so that the i.p. rights of apple and microsoft can be protected in beijing. just think, just compartmentalize that and let me say this other thing. ism is saying, specifically, that not just activity but employment in manufacturing is starting to contract. i mean, that, frankly, is the trump base. it's farming, manufacturing, employee not executive, this is to me the grand irony. so it's not that he's been bad for business or good for business. he's had an incredible impact on the stock market. who owns stocks? the top 20% of the country owns 85% of the market. those are not the trump base. the trump base are the people that worry about the next paycheck and rightfully so. they have absolutely not benefited from globalization, from automation the way that people in the big cities have specifically the upper end of the income range. >> automation. megan murphy, the one candidate andrew yang has said over and
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over we need to talk about automation. while the president has promised to bring back manufacturing jobs, isn't the issue when those employers have money to spend they're spending it on technology. that technology is replacing workers. >> here's the thing. you just described it as an irony. i'll go a step further. it is the great con of the trump presidency that the very constituency he promised to bolster through, increase manufacturing, bring manufacturing back to america, the farming community, we're talking about states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, these are the people who have been hurt the most by some of these economic policies, in particular the trade war. on automation, specifically, we have seen, we are still running an incredibly tight labor market and are seeing wages pick up not as fast as people wanted but you're right. so what is so fascinating is who is making the honest argument to the people that some of these jobs that are disappearing in manufacturing, we've been talking about this for four
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years, are never coming back? we need to retrain and reskill. so people out there who are trump voters have to be realistic about the future and need to reskill. we need to be talking more about obsoleting certain jobs and moving people into training the robots or being the people that build the robots. those are the jobs of the future. we still are not getting a realistic assessment, certainly not from the white house in this ongoing trade dispute with china. >> can i build on that? it is so important. and i want to just take it a step further. think about this. these promises, i will reopen the minds. is anyone saying that has a future beyond just reopening the minds? of course it doesn't. >> no. >> he talked about deregulation and regulation being this thing that was killing the economy. i don't quite see how. we had the best economy in the world going into the election but fine. >> but the threat. listen, if you talk to a lot of ceos during the last administration they would say the regulatory uncertainty had them not spending.
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>> what do you call this? he is saying, i'm going to unilaterally force people to remove their business from china. so look at the industries that he's done the most work on deregulating. he has done this. financial and energy. these are the two worst performing sect wiors in the st market since probably the tax cuts. >> trump's base. >> banks, those stocks are awful. oil and gas stocks shrink as a percentage of s&p every quarter. they are tiny. exxon has fallen out of the top ten the first time in recorded history. he has not benefited with all this deregulation. the constituents in the stock market he said he would benefit. i think there's a lot of ironies to these policies and favoring the non-trump voter. >> exxon might want to call rex tillerson. he's free. thank you all. we're going to leave it there. breaking news, we're watching hurricane dorian that's pushing
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. we have good news. we now know where president trump is getting $3.6 billion to pay for the construction of his wall but it's not good news. it is not mexico. the department of defense released a list of 127 military construction projects that are being delayed due to the shift of funds to the southern border. they include 10 construction projects slated for puerto rico still recovering from hurricane maria. that total is $400 million. $250 million in construction pronls from the u.s. territory of guam, which was threatened with a missile strike by north korea back in 2017. 23 states, both democratic and republican, will see millions taken away from planned projects including schools and daycare centers for military families. back with me to discuss, bordello, megan murphy and
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brian. give us perspective. you used to work form the oversight committee. how does news like this sit with members of congress? >> well, this is hitting people where they live, i think congressman can speak to this, too. when projects start being taken away from their backyard, projects mean jobs, infrastructure, those projects mean economic gain for their district in their state. when an administration starts taking that away from them, that creates some real trouble internally between whatever party you, "members of congress and administration. i think also, too, this flaunting of executive power, it's systematic of a broader problem we're having with president trump who cares no mind to checks and balances, congress's authority. congress is supposed to be the branch of government that controls purse strings, dictates where money goes and how it's spent. now the executive circumventing that completely setting aside congress and gomping verning by
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and a lot will have a problem with that. >> america first. that's what he ran on. that resonated with americans across the country. the wall was started at this glib, gimmicky thing, so the fact money is taken from schools and daycare centers for military families, how is this going to work for the president? >> i don't think -- everything kurt just said is absolutely correct. a long time ago even republicans who believed mexico was going to pay for the wall, and i was never in that camp. >> it was a very small camp. >> isn't that crazy? he said it but we don't believe it. we're laughing about it. we're saying the president made a campaign pledge, a promise, and his fellow republicans didn't actually believe that. that's not actually funny. >> no one is laughing about $400 million taken away from critical
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infrastructure and projects in puerto rico or guam or as you're saying, and i want to focus on this, daycare centers. again, what are we talking about this morning? the very constituency that backed him the most, military families, literally taking away elements that will make their lives better. yes, we see this across democratic and republican states. the wall we must emphasize remains incredibly unpopular. immigration policy is much more typely palled. the wall itself is incredible unpopular. this is a vanity project for the president. it has always been and now we see money migrating from really much needed projects across states, blue states, red states, puerto rico for a political vanity project. >> domestic policies here, 46 projects in 23 states, republican districts, democrat districts, nothing will enable a representative or senator to come out even against the president of their own party and say i disagree with this when they have a project in their own
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backyard. that's what we're doing here the use or legislation of the power of purse. there's a lot of things, doesn't matter whether you're a republican or democratic president, you can kind of grab power from congress and congress ends up the restraints on congress prevented from pushing back. when you're talking about the power of the purse and appropriations process and what spending priorities are and you all of a sudden say you know what, i know you passed a budget, signed it into law, may have voted because of the project in your own backyard, stuff stuff. i'm going to use it for what i want. that's not something republicans or democrats will look at and keep their lip zipped. >> you know why i gave you the last word, you have an impressive vocabulary. >> you know what i like the most? good news rules. >> megan, i know you're my
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favorite my guest. >> that wraps it up. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll be back at 1:00 p.m. find my good rules. stephanie jackson in washington, d.c.. >> thank you very much. right now hurricane dorian is getting stronger. it's back up to a major category 3 storm with carolinas getting pummeled by wind, rain and a life threatening storm surge. we're talking about some place that is could see up to 15" of rain over the next 24 hours. tornado warnings and watches are in effect. i want to show you this new video we got in. a tornado touched down in pender county, north carolina. just a few hours ago. any minute we're expecting to hear from north carolina governor roy cooper as the most vulnerable parts of the state brace for a direct hit from dorian. we'll take you to that conference live. also live in the bahamas, the number of deaths from dorian


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