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welcome back. as we said to want, we're doing an extended edition of our broadcast as we cross the top of the hour into midnight here on the east coast, so begins day 960 of the trump administration right at this moment. we are still tracking hurricane dorian as it moves along the north carolina coast tonight, right now a category 2 storm. that means it's packing winds of 100 miles an hour at the core. forecasters stay it still is generating high winds, heavy rain, and will into the night and morning hours, including, let's not forget that storm surge along the coast. for the very latest, we go back again to our meteorologist, bill karins. hey, bill. >> we're still waiting to see exactly if we'll get landfall or not. that's the drama left with this storm am we have the inland heavy rain. haven't had a lot of tornado
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warnings as of late. earlier we had 11 reported tornadoes and that's done significant damage out of anything out of this storm. we had up to 300,000 people without power, most of those in south carolina during the day today. as we go through night tonight, we'll lose some of north carolina. if we focus on the center eye, it's definitely taken a jog to the east. you can see it spinning here. there's not a lot of thunderstorms on the right side of it. and this is what we want to have everyone avoid. it did go through bald head island, heavy rain, the core of it. now we're going to take this and see if it pushes up. if it stays off the coast, we may not get any really hurricane-type sustained winds on shore. they're still saying 100-mile-per-hour winds is the max, but that's still off the coast. it's been off the coast. all the peak winds have been offshore since it left brand
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bahama island. same for georgia and south carolina. we've had gusts offshore, some of the buoy areas, up to 80 and 90, but nothing on land like that. as far as the forecast path goes, the hurricane center has a bit of eastern -- north carolina. you see this narrow strip, that's all the outer banks. we may get the first direct landfall as it's exiting early, early tomorrow morning, probably 7:00 or 8:00 a.m. and the buckston area. as we go throughout the 3:00 a.m. hour is when it will be closest to you. i'm trying to adjust some of this stuff. wind gusts, i've taken down a bit because the storm has been weakening. that storm surge brian was mentioning, we'll be watching that over the next two to three hours. we're starting to see the water rise near the coast. up to this point the storm surge has been not that bad, two to three feet in a lot of areas.
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but the hurricane center still saying there's the potential for isolated four to seven feet. that would be significant if it happens, but it hasn't happened. charleston didn't see it. georgetown, three feet. myrtle beach, 2, 2.5 feet. we didn't see a lot of robs with water in areas that it shouldn't have been. as we continue, there it goes. that's friday about 2:00 p.m. well off the coast. still some rain wrapping around and windy conditions, but it's starting to be cleanup time by friday afternoon. and so as far as conditions are going to go, i've lowered a bit aft storm surge. we may have a chance of getting damage from the high tide. inland flooding, it's pouring. we have flash flood warnings outer, but no fatalities. winds in the minor county. in the outer banks, they can deal with high winds.
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they've seen many a storm. they average once every four years at least a category 1 hurricane. there will be minor damage here or there but it's not going to be crazy damage. and then it would be nice if the winds were low enough and the storms were low enough to keep highway 12 open. it has a lot of overwash and it closes regularly. those are the headlines, brian. we've done this a lot of times together. hasn't been a lot of this is breaking or new. everything's offshore. now that we haven't had tornadoes in a while, so there hasn't been any sizes. >> i have a graphic i wanted to show you and share with our audience we did last hour. this is from the new and extraordinary goes weather satellite, which you are familiar with, parked over the east coast of the united states. this shows day turning into night. you see the population centers light up. so in other words, if you're in
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portland, maine, western pennsylvania, northern florida, it's cloudy where you are all because of the same storm. bill, we tend to look at that gif of the eye. it's mesmerizing. look at the size of this thing. >> there's tropical storm warnings. >> cape cod. >> right. it has a huge wind field. it was a small, intense storm, and then as it kind of weakened, the wind field got bigger but it wasn't as intense. usually it's the intense ones, the small, compact ones where you get the most damage. scattered power outages here and there. we were afraid possibly if it went inland in eastern north carolina people could not have power for a week. maybe it will be a couple days here and there. the faster people can get back home. minimal amount of cleanup, send
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kids back to school and we can get on with our lives. i don't think anyone is going to complain after what they saw happen in the bahamas, there's no fooling around. evacuations and getting out of the way, people will be happy to return home to a house and they don't have to do a lot of repairs. >> bill karins joining me, hats off to the hard-working folks at the national hurricane center. >> this storm, we don't know where it's going. the path has not changed from the hurricane center ever since four or five days ago. they had to go along the coast, they had it stalling. so the path forecast was implemented. >> hear, hear. bill, thank you for that. for the latest on the storm's impact on the areas bill was talking about, let's go to wilmington, north carolina and cal perry. how is it now? we checked in with you last hour. >> reporter: in theory when you talk about the backside of a storm and how that wind
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direction shifts, it's not so bad, but here's it's gotten really bad. just to explain to our viewers, we set up in a position where we're comfortable working. and you never know when the wind shifts if you're going to be in an okay spot. so you're going to hear some debris as it passes over me. forgive me as i nervously keep an eye over my left shoulder. the day started with tornadoes. it's finishing with the threat of this deluge of rain. and now, as you can hear these wind gusts getting up to what we think is about 70, 80 miles an hour, the river behind me will peak again in about an hour and a half. so flood is continuing to be the top concern amongst officials. when you talk to officials, this is not their first rodeo. this is the second hurricane in less than a year. the last one separated the city for four days. the interstate was under water and nobody could get in or out. they've positioned people, mostly power trucks, on the outside of the storm in safe
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places, and they'll get those power trucks in as soon as this wind dies down. about 75,000 customers from duke energy in the state of north carolina without power right now. when you talk to officials here, brian, they'll tell you one of their concerns is, last year people couldn't get back to their houses, so they're worried people stayed behind in this storm whereas they would have normally sort of -- there it is, yeah. where they normally would have moved on. right? it's a little bit unnerving. that's when you you talk to officials, that's the concern there. again, just for folks that haven't been through hurricanes, when that wind shifts, boy, it is really frightening because you think you know the cover that you have behind a building, anden the backside of that storm comes in. i heard your interview with the mayor there of carolina beach. what we're seeing now is that storm is switching and that wind is switching. so what happens is the debris that was carried one direction is now brought back in the other direction, brian. >> cal perry, i join our viewers
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in saying in unison, please, you and your crew, be safe. take cover till this thing blows over. from cal's location we go further north along the outer banks to nags head, north carolina. david gira standing there. cal is right along this entire stretch of real estate. it doesn't make the erosion any less sad. it doesn't turn people's power back on to say that everyone there is a veteran of these storms. >> reporter: yeah. as i made my way up and down highway 12 today, i talked to a lot of folks, for them something they deal with if not every day, every year. they're used to it. they are never leavers. you mentioned the dunes. you see the sea oats swaying in the wind. we listened to bill karins and cal perry with particular interest. the wind has picked up, brian, here in these last few hours.
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the rain has started coming down as well. i mentioned i was going up and down that highway all the way down to hatteras this morning to buckston as well. for folks who haven't been here, it is a thin strip of barrier islands that gets thinner as you get farther and farther down. as you get to hatteras, you get to the washout bill karins was talking about. as early as late this morning there were parts of that road that had been washed out and hague that even more treacherous for those who were making their way up and down the highway is the sand that blows over from the dunes. truly what was what made our drive most difficult as we found our way in the southern most part oeff those outer banks. the wind seems not to be a big deal to them. they close the main bridge down cape hatteras highway earlier this evening. it was closed because of wind. they say the folks i talked to say they get 50 to
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60-mile-per-hour gusts, so that's not new. but they're worried about what happens as the storm passes through that word. it's a two-lane highway. >> david gura, nags head, same advice you to and your crew, take cover if and wherever possible. staying on the north carolina coast, we go back to the south now, almost parallel to where the eye is. surf city, north carolina. we are thankful to be joined by the mayor there, doug medlin. please tell me no one has done anything stupid. please tell me everyone heatede the warnings. >> good evening, brian. yeah, all of our people are off the island at this time. we are watching the island with cameras from different points. our wind gusts have been up to about 54, so we're blessed.
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we're not getting anything like we thought we were going to get. by the cameras we haven't seen any washovers yet. the water is coming up to the region on the dune, but not over it. >> when was the last time, mayor, you had dune and beach e renourishment there? how old is this sand we're talking about? >> we were putting sand on the beach during turtle season the 1st of june. that's the last time we had sand on the beach. this time it didn't seem like we're losing a lot of it. >> you didn't have to get tough with anybody, that people followed the warnings as far as you can tell, and most importantly, please tell me your first responders haven't been called out to get some hair-brained person? >> i think they sold that car
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anyway. >> everyone's talking about that jeep down in myrtle beach this morning. mayor, this is obviously prime season for this kind of thing. >> it is. that's the only thing. it sort of cuts into our season a little bit. >> what was the last big one you had through surf city? >> the hurricane? last year. we had an awful lot of damage on it last year and people are just getting back in their houses at this time. in fact, i just had my furniture delivered this past monday. but i think it's going to be fine. i don't think we're going to have any real damage this time. >> well i'm happy to report, and bill karins just said, the eye is taking a little bit more skitering to the east more. any distance it can give us between the storm and the folks along the north carolina border, especially beautiful surf city, north carolina, with that
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beautiful long pier they have into the water. any distance is well appreciated. >> that's right. >> thank you very much. >> 10 or 15 miles really helped a lot. >> yeah, i'm sure it does. mayor, thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you, brian. appreciate it. thank you a lot. >> as we keep an eye on dorian along the carolinas, we are alleges trackialso tracking other news. coming up the, the democrats lined up on cnn last night as they will soon do on this network as well to outdo each other on the subject of the environment. tonight we'll show you the republican takeaway from what they saw last night and how they plan to run against it. and then later, another american service member dies in afghanistan as the u.s. continues to seek some sort of a peace deal with the taliban. we'll speak with a retired u.s. army four-star general about
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so last night the trump campaign also watched this event on cnn, and when it was over, they sent out an email to supporters highlighting what they called "eye-popping moments" such as bernie sanders says his climate plan means a lot of taxpayers out there who will be paying more in taxes. joe biden says the green new deal doesn't go too far and he is not opposed to it. andrew yang says he supports the green new deal's goal of bands commercial air travel. elizabeth warren says americans need to make changes when it comes to using straws and eating cheeseburgers. bernie sanders says he would make the need to curb population growth a key feature of addressing the climate. kamala harris says the government must take action to reduce the amount of red meat americans eat. elizabeth warren says she would
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push for a new tax on carbon. joe biden wants to shut down the 27% of american electricity skbrirn generated by coal power. lonnie chen returns to the program, researcher at the hoover institution and former presidential campaign adviser to both marco rubio and mitt romney. lonnie, you are a name among the names we thought of to discuss this with. you know what's going to happen. this is as if someone dropped off at the dnc the republicans' briefing book for the election campaign. when they get done with this, they will want every american to believe the democrats are coming to your kitchen table, they want your straws, give us that cheeseburger. they want the keys to your ford f-150, and they're going to take your baby. tell us what kind of strategy long term this is for the
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democrats. >> well, i think, brian, what we're seeing now is the democrats are involved in this primary phase of the competition, and that will mean, of course, they're competing for a different set of voters that will be the case when we get to the general election. for now, the politics of being on the left, the progressive left, the far left when it comes to climate issues is advantageous. the republicans look at that and they rub their hands together in glee because those positions that are taken in a primary tend to stick with candidates as they get into a general. you'll remember in the mitt romney campaign all the challenges on immigration policy that came from the primary campaign carrying over to the general election. so the question now is, to what extent are the democrats going to be able to continue to articulate these positions as we get into next june, july, when the nominee is going up against donald trump. >> we can't help but notice
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coverage on fox news these last few nights. they're talking about the coming disarming of america, they're coming for your guns they're telling their audience. tonight they had a graphic up behind the anchor that said "dictators in training" and it showed some of the democrats. the question to you is, how do you put the toothpaste back in the tube after running behind something like the new deal to get those voters in new hampshire, to get those voters in iowa who come out and vote in democratic primaries, and then say to a general election audience, oh, we're not really after your cheeseburgers, drinking straws, or your guns. >> i don't know that you can, brian. i don't know that you can sort of completely disown what you say in a primary. you can try to nuance it, obviously. i think the interesting question is this. we are in a different era of politics now with the election of donald trump in 2016 and the
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kind of politician he is where he's able to make a statement and then declaratively say i never made that statement or ignore prior statements. the question is do those rules apply to democrats as well? do those rules apply to anyone not named donald trump? can, for example, joe biden get away with saying i didn't really mean that or i didn't really say that? it will be the question to see whether a democrat or someone not named donald trump is able to play by a different set of rules. the traditional rules in politics, as you know well, this is not something that you can live down. if you said something previously in a primary, you've got to own it in a general. >> now, let me ask you this odor. i take your point on the double standard of joe biden coverage. we see it here every night and day. do you think -- it's always been my theory the issue of gay marriage was the fastest-moving public issue i've ever witnessed just because it caught on like a prairie fire and the people
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decided on their own. do you think environment, guns have the ability to spread like a fire through the public in a way that we'll see our politicians catching up with? >> well, on the gun issue, i'm a little more skeptical because we have had incident after incident, tragedy after tragedy and yet nothing seems to change. and here today i'm skeptical still we'll see real action to address some of these issues. with respect to the environment, that's one of the issues that has been slow moving for a while, but as it's moved, increasingly the consensus has set in with respect to the human role in climate change. now, the question then becomes how to policy-makers respond to that. i don't see either immigration or the environment moving in the same way as gay marriage did, in part because i'm not sure that people have personalized it enough yet. there's the potential for gun
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violence, but even then i'm skeptical given what we've seen even over the last few weeks with respect to the gun issue. i don't see them having the takeoff going forward. >> thank you very much for coming on the broadcast. we greatly appreciate it. to our audience, our meteorologist bill karins will be back with us for a late live update on where this hurricane is now. as this extended edition of "the 11th hour" continues after this. ♪ want to freshen your home without using heavy,
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. it felt like hell. it's not the first one i stayed here for, but that was something totally different. >> it was scary, but i'm glad we're still alive and we're safe. >> were you afraid you might not survive? >> yeah, for a while. >> what did you say to your mom and dad? >> i love you. >> wow. some of the people who survived the hurricane in the abaco islands. hurricane dorian became a hurricane nine days ago, august 28th. it was a tropical system at first, quickly grew into category 4, then a 5, then it slammed as a 5 in the northern bahamas. right now it's still at a category 2. it continues to hug the north carolina coast. it could move over to north carolina's barrier islands. the outer banks by daybreak,
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still with us. back with us is our meteorologist bill karins. bill, i was thinking about this today. at some point this started as a cluster of thunderstorms over western africa. and it will end its life still as measurable weather past greenland in the northern atlantic. it's an incredible circulation. >> this was a fighter. we didn't think this tropical wave we call them, it was mixed in with a lot of dry air. and the odds of this actually forming were very low all the way across the atlantic. and then it just kind of fired up a little bit and it got a little more, a little more, and wow, this was going to happen. and then it smacked the virgin islands worse than we thought. this is nine days and only 10% of hurricanes live this long. so i think the longest was, like, 21 days. that was mostly out over the open atlantic. yeah, pretty rare, especially to then land for this long. we've gone from seven days from
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when it was threatening the bahamas and florida and the southeast coast. 13 miles per hour, that's why it's going to be pretty quickly heading through eastern north carolina. we got a huge shield of rain in here. that's going to be the problem as we go throughout the night. rainfall in tropical systems, we don't want people driving around so we don't have a lot of information. we won't know about it until the morning. this is the position here as we go throughout 8:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, already past morehead city. we could get back bay flooding on this, nothing like with matthew and florence. new bern, possibly four to five feet. we were never concerned with a lot of wind damage from this storm. it just wasn't going to be strong enough. we thought maybe if it kept onto that strong category 2 and went over north carolina, but we're at 48 in jacksonville.
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even the buoys offshore in the 60 to 75 range. that's what we'll expect in the outer banks. that's not going to cause a lot of damage there. what we have to worry about, we still have one more high tide cycle in the outer banks from 1:00 to 3:00 a.m. in general. the potential is there for four to seven feet for the last three days, especially in the carolinas. we've only done about two to three feet. it's been underachieving and not reaching potential. no complaints whatsoever. this is the graphic that -- if we're going to have fatalities out there, anything bad happens, this is our risk of flash flooding. when you get up to the high, it's pretty serious situation, it's like tornado season, high ridge is a big tornado. this means we're going to get flash flooding. virginia beach to eastern north carolina. if we go to the map, already the green shows you where we have flash flood watches where it has
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rained enough to issue flash flood warnings. we turned these into maroon. now we've got all of duvall county all the way back to fayetteville, heading out to the areas towards central portions of eastern north carolina. we have a lot of people under flash flood warnings. that means low-lying areas could have roads closed, situations like that. and people are starting to lose power too. so it's still a hurricane, it's over eastern north carolina. will the destruction be horrendous? probably not. but possible rainfall, additional rainfall, still another seven inches to go in the next 12 to 16 hours. we mentioned the wind field. the areas in yellow show you the tropical-storm-force winds. that's where you can lose power back to myrtle beach. but the hurricane winds are primarily offshore. that's where you get the tree damage, roof damage, you know, some of those awnings and signs, stuff like that. for the most part that's going to stay over eastern north carolina. so this is at 7:00 a.m. tomorrow
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morning. from morehead city to cape hatteras, that's the greatest concern. we mentioned we could get clipped a bit, nantucket, martha's vineyard, that area could see gusts of tropical storm strength, that's why we have the tropical storm warnings there. i spread our map out to show you where the storm is going from here. >> wow. >> here's our hurricane warnings up to the norfolk area. tropical storm warnings, nantucket, martha's vineyard, all the way through cape cod. hurricane watches out for areas of nova scotia. storms aufrll the way from souto nova scotia, all the coastal areas, but it may never make landfall. >> unbelievable. >> it's kind of a rare storm. it'll always be known for what it did in the bahamas. if we can get past this tonight without much damage in north carolina, all the better.
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>> seems like a small world when you put it that way. bill karins, thank you so vf very much. we want to turn to ana mcray, the assistant emergency management director for new hanover county. we'll show you what we mean by that. this is the part of north carolina that includes the city of wilmington. she is with us by phone from the emergency operation center in wilmington. please tell me, ana, that you guys aren't out making all kinds of rescues, that for the most part the streets are safe, if not a little water logged. >> we agree with that assessment 100%. so our community has been great about listening to the messages we've been pushing, about the importance of seeking shelter and making their final plans well before 8:00 p.m. last night. we know when we started to experience the stronger
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tropical-storm-force winds and then the hurricane winds we've been having close gusts turnover past few hours. but, you know, our biggest concern right now is making sure that people stay in place with flash flooding being our primary concern, and then the upcoming river flooding that we'll see over the next couple of days, especially with the dark -- downed trees and water over the roadways aren't going to be easy to see. turn around, don't drown. our public safety partners are reporting that it's average calls that are being sent out, and everybody is taking good care for each other. >> the folks living down there are professionals at this. this is usually not their first hurricane. we were worried about this upcoming high tide you have within the hour because the current motion of the storm does pile some water up coming as it
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is from northeast to southwest. is that a problem? >> it was an earlier concern for sure. we were thinking we would be looking at storm surge of four to seven feet, but our emergency operations center has been open since monday with our manager management staff doing a full activation with all our community partners and municipalities since tuesday. we've been sharing information back and forth to ensure we have the right resources in place to support all of our public safety partners. we're already starting to make a pivot towards recovery, working with our long-term recovery group, and that's made up of nongovernmental partners, safe space partners, working with our business partners through our business eoc, having all those partnerships in place well before an event ever occurs makes the turn to recovery so much easier. that includes the ability for our damage assessment teams to be able to get out tomorrow as soon as the winds settle down
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and we'll be able to, you know, check on everybody, start the cleanup efforts, and continue on through the rest of the hurricane season. >> all right. please give everybody our best. we're looking at this big, bad circulating center of the storm. it is so good to hear that the news on the ground is just as good as it could be. ana mcray, thank you so much for joining us tonight. coming up for us, as our broadcast continues, as the president talks of pulling troops out of afghanistan, attacks by the taliban are costing american lives in the interim. retired general barry mccaffrey will be with us when we come back. our 18 year old was in an accident. usaa took care of her car rental, and getting her car towed. all i had to take care of was making sure that my daughter was ok. if i met another veteran, and they were with another insurance company, i would tell them, you need to join usaa because they have better rates, and better service. we're the gomez family... we're the rivera family... we're the kirby family,
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this is a signature of the taliban. this is a group that hates ballots and loves bullets and bombs. this is the way they do business. >> a u.s. service member was among ten people killed when a car bomb exploded in
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afghanistan's capital of kabul today. the taliban claimed responsibility for the suicide attack in the same week the u.s. announced in principle a peace agreement with the group. an agreement that would in theory end the war. as "the new york times" reports, the afghan government is pushing back against american diplomats on the eve of a troop withdrawal deal with the taliban concerned that the proposed agreement lacks assurances that the insur gents will honor their promises once american troops leave. with us to talk about it tonight, general barry mccaffrey, retired u.s. army four-star general, heavily decorated combat veteran of vietnam and u.s. ground commander in the gulf war. general, a very basic question to start with. what kind of a peace agreement, what kind of a deal with this group, the taliban, honors the memory and sacrifice of the men and women we have sent in there
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to fight in our nation's longest war? >> yeah, well, look, afghanistan is a mess. the taliban now either control or have principle sway over half the country. the afghan security forces policing the army are taking tremendous casualties and are deserting at an even higher rate. the central government is incoherent. it's not even operating in correspondence with their constitution. in the background, we have the president saying i want out by 2020, and my only real demand is don't allow afghanistan to turn into a sanctuary to attack the united states. afghan governments left out in the cold. this is not a negotiation. this looks like we're throwing these people under the bus and politically we're headed for the gate. >> so people at home hear that answer and wonder what's the alternative, is this going to consume a fourth and a fifth
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presidency? >> well, that's a good question. i just read a veriletter that t trump approach sin correct and we need to negotiate a better outcome. that's the problem. the taliban are not going to negotiate in terms of allowing the afghan government to be a partner in the new afghanistan. seems clear to me they think they're winning on the battlefield, and no one ever negotiates away a military advantage like that. the only alternative, to be blunt, is we stay with nato forces, 15 th30,000 troops, we it stabilized and the afghan state won't implode, which i think it's going to do. >> it would become something like germany, south korea?
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>> good point. it's a terrible thing to say, but predominant blood shed is a part of it, we are having special operations forces killed and wounded every month. but by and large we're there with a stabilizing training counterterrorism logistics, air power, keeping the afghan security forces in the fight. i think the armed forces could keep this up forever. the financial resources are not really severe. i think politically this war has run its course. trump didn't make this mess. i think he's going to own the outcome, though, going to be a painful thing to see happen. >> this is why we asked to talk to you about this topic tonight. it's easy to drop this topic with all else that we're covering, but this is indeed very, very important to our country and a whole lot of families watching to want. general barry mccaffrey, thank
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west virginia, a great, great state, i shouldn't say this, but i won it by 43 points. that's a lot. we love west virginia. probably helps you get this award today. >> wow, that must mean a lot to him. here again nba great jerry west with the medal of freedom, all basketball fans of a certain age know the name jerry west. i guess they didn't know his connection to the electoral college. it's the highest honor a
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civilian can receive, and he has now received it. trump for his part heads back out on the campaign trail on monday with a stop in north carolina. alexey mccann at axios says it was going to be a political rally. now it's been rebranded as a hurricane damage assessment. the president will be on the road as congress returns to washington with a long list of investigations and calls for investigations. here they are into the trump administration. our friends at "meet the press" daily compiled the list you're seeing scrolling on the screen. you can pick any one of them. there are over 60 of them and there's likely to be more added to the list. so with us tonight to talk about all these things, tim o'brien returns, executive editor of bloomberg opinion. jonathan lemire is with us, white house reporter for the associated press. so jonathan, is the democratic
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story line going to be, okay, we took the summer off, don't tell anybody. i know we were talking about the investigations, mueller report didn't really pan out, but have you heard the one about the hush money to this adult film star and a playboy bunny? let's pursue that. >> i think democrats are going to pursue those channels. i'm not sure how effective they'll be or resonate with the american. it's not something we're hearing the presidential candidates talk about on the tray. they're talking about other things, the president's fitness for duty, guns. i think that is where the party wants to be heading, perhaps have more traction. i mean, look, the numbers of democrats who have said they would support impeachment need to grow. that's something speakers pelosi is going to have to contend with. approximate if the numbers swell, that could certainly change. the president though is on the
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defensive. he is going to be at the rally on monday. that's still in the books, although there's an expectation he'll do hurricane damage stuff while he's there, probably not in alabama. but then we have his legal team is still out there preparing to say no to all these inquiries while the political team violent concerned about trying to juice this economy, which is his biggest problem. if that doesn't work, then we'll be seeing campaign fodder on cultural issues. >> on that topic, tim, you've been around politics a long time. sometimes it seems national democrats think an f 50 is a fighter bomber they have funded in the past. it happens to be the number one best-selling vehicle in this country. we can't change that. we can reflect that, i guess, in our national conversation. what are the democrats perhaps doing wrong? >> i don't think the democrats -- i think a
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disconnect happened with the democrats in working class americans before donald trump came along. i think you saw the fruits of that rear its ugly head in that campaign. but remember, it was ronald reagan who appealed to teamsters and said the republican party is here to deliver jobs to you, and the democrats just wanted of want to take your money and redistribute it and give it to people who don't work hard. >> now they want to take your cheeseburgers and straws. >> and your pickups, right? and i don't think the democrats have figured out how to tell a story to working americans about opportunity and about support and isn't about things that involve stripping away your money and that we're all in it together. i think hillary clinton tried to get there, but she wasn't an effective messenger around that. when that gap opens up, the republicans are great at stepping in and having very clear and concise messages about what's going wrong. the lump delivered that message.
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the trouble he's going to have is there's a report card available now. when he was coming up in 2016, it was promises, now there's a track record. >> jonathan lemire, the story comes to mind of lbj after hurricane betsy. he's on one of the levees, he insisted to go down, see for himself. takes a flashlight, shines it to illuminate his face and yells to the people in the area that's been flooded in louisiana "this is your president." in effect, i'm here to see this and help you. that kind of stewardship role, i guess we're not going to see that quite. >> unlikely. the president certainly hasn't stepped into those shoes in any previous response national disaster. we remember when he went to puerto rico and tossed paper
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towels like they were basketballs to the people there who were so desperate for basic supplies. i've been with him during a trip to california during the aftermath of the wildfires. look, he can shake a few hands here or there, he can pose for a photo, he can say certainly he's more comfortable praising the response of first responders, of law enforcement than he is in consoling those who are grieving because they lost a loved one or their home. there has certainly not been, you know, much of an effort for this administration and the federal government to sort of really own the response to some of these storms. we'll see here, we can note the states that were really hit, largely red states, states that are going to vote for him. we anticipate he'll be out there and offer the federal government's support going forward. whether it's a real leadership moment, it remain to be seen. it's not his length. predictions, he gets up to the lectern in north carolina, kind of a rally crowd. does he relitigate alabama?
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>> he will early on. i'll take over and unders with you on how many times he does it. i'll say twice at least. >> jonathan lemire, tim o brian, gentlemen, really appreciate you hanging out so late would you say tonight as we have covered all we have. that is our combined and extended broadcast for this evening. our thanks to you for being here with us. our live coverage of hurricane dorian and its trip up the east coast continues. chris jensen will take over at the top of the hour. ach charted♪ ♪ each careful step ♪ along the byway ♪ much more ♪ much more than this ♪ i did it my way
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the president slams into the coastal carolinas right now. hurricane dorian still a category 2 storm with sustained winds of 100 miles per hour as it inches closer to potentially making landfall. forecasters are warning of life-threatening storm surge and dangerous winds along north carolina's coast with the potential for flash flooding. we are approaching a high tide just after 1:00 a.m. eastern time tonight in many of the places that are affected. earlier tonight the storm walloped the carolina coastal areas with

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