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that does it for me today. hope you have a great weekend. "a.m. joy" with joy reid starts right now. there are real world consequences to this perception of the president as being untrustworthy with intelligence, untrusting of our intelligence agencies. skeptical of the value of intelligence itself. that just makes all of our jobs that much more difficult and the country more vulnerable. >> good morning. welcome to "a.m. joy." we have a lot to get to this morning including joe biden's speech at the 16th street church in birmingham, alabama, today to commemorate the four girls killed in the 1963 church bombing. we'll bring you more on that in a few minutes, and we're also going to discuss a newly revealed allegation against supreme court justice brett kavanaugh and what the fbi did and didn't cover in its
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investigation of sexual misconduct allegations before he was confirmed. first, you would be forgiven if the story of yet another subpoena to the trump administration flew under your radar this week given the unusual fire hose of trump scandal news. the flurry of headlines about his self-dealing as president. a nonprofit holding an event at his d.c. hotel featuring members of his cabinet. the debacle over the u.s. military's frequent layovers at trump's turnberry resort in scotland, and the news the house judiciary committee passed a resolution ramping up its impeachment inquiry. all of that news broke just this week and while all of that was percolating in your news feeds, this politico headline appeared friday night. adam schiff accuses top intel official of illegally withholding urgent whistleblo r er complaint. one that could implicate the white house. chairman schiff announced the intelligence community inspector general notified the intelligence committee of a
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serious credible whistleblower complaint on september 9th, even though the complaint was submitted the month before. and when chairman schiff asked to see the unredacted complaint and related records, the office of the director of national intelligence declined the request forcing schiff to issue a subpoena for the complaint which the dni is actually required by law to hand over. schiff wrote, quote, a director of national intelligence has never prevented a properly submitted whistleblower complaint that they determined to be credible and urgent from being provided to the congressional intelligence committees. never. this raises serious concerns about whether the white house department or justice or other executive branch officials are trying to prevent a legitimate whistleblower complaint from reaching its intended recipient, the congress, in order to cover up serious misconduct. joining us is one of the reporters who has been following this developing story.
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politico congressional reporter kyle cheney. and ned price, former national security spokesperson and msnbc national security analyst. thank you for being here. kyle, explain to us this story in a nutshell is there was a whistleblower complaint and what happened to it? >> it was filed more than a month ago now, which is under the statute that chairman schiff cited, they should have heard about this at least a week ago, maybe two weeks ago. and so the suggestion here is that this has been essentially blocked from reaching congress and in a very unusual way. it's something that the dni, the top intelligence official in the country, again, instead of providing this to the intelligence communities, diverted it to the justice department where people decided there was some matter or question of privilege or confidentiality to it which has led chairman schiff to say this must involve the president or someone senior in his administration because what else would qualify as something privileged that would be blocked
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from reaching congress. >> so the question i guess is, is it normal for a whistleblower complaint that goes through the proper channels to be then diverted to the justice department for them to weigh in on whether or not congress can get it because the law says congress is supposed to get it. >> in some respects yes. in some respects, no. we don't know anything about this whistleblower but we have every reason to suspect he or she is a true patriot. the inspector general deemed the complaint urgent and credible. this person went through the proper channels. went through the inspector -- the ic inspector general. didn't go to the press first or congress first. you are certainly able to go to congress after the fact. but the whistleblower protection says you should go to your own component's inspector general first which this person did. now if this leads to a dead end, if this is blocked, this whistleblower could go to congress with the details of the complaint.
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but that would set up this person for retaliation. between 1999 and 2009, there were ten complaints issued to the ic inspector general, four of which were deemed credible and in several cases those people were retaliated against. so even when people go through the proper channels there is this potential for retaliation but this person apparently feels that her or his concerns are so valid, so urgent that they must go this route. and your story, kyle, indicates that adam schiff is the intelligence committee chair either believes or has information suggesting whatever this information is, it involves the president himself? >> i am not sure what adam schiff really knows here. he's just deducing this because of the factor and all the unusualness of the dni saying you can't have this right now. despite the letter of the law and the fact there's some privilege involved here. he's divining this must have to do with someone very senior. but we don't know what he knows. he decided to make this exchange
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with the dni believe in an unusual way without providing details. >> you knew the demand from adam schiff. what is the specific -- how are they going to carry out this demand? >> schiff issued a subpoena immediately as soon as he announced this whole exchange happened. he issued a subpoena and said i need the documents themselves by september 17th. that's tuesday. he said if i don't get them by now i'll subpoena you, dni mcgwire, to come in thursday for a public hearing on this which itself would be highly unusual and very intensely watched. >> and he's an acting. >> he's an acting, not even a fully fledged director of national intelligence. >> and that, i think, joy, is one of the challenges when you have a cabinet full of acting officials. an acting dni, acting deputy d ni, acting homeland security secretary. for six months an acting secretary of defense. these people, even if they are good people and i think in the case of acting dna mcgwire, he
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is, but they are under tremendous pressure to audition for the job every single day. they did not yet get the permanent nod. at every step they want to curry favor with the president. i think at worst, and we're not sure if that's what happened in this case, but at worst, putting their loyalty to the president ahead of their loyalty to the law to the constitution. what we could be seeing in this case. >> that's the corrupting effect that donald trump has had on government is everyone feels their main job is to protect him and i presume the reason adam schiff feels this must be about -- or may be about donald trump is that his chief protector right now in the government is the justice department. >> and what actually notably on that point is that this complaint was filed right around the time the previous permanent dni left. dan coats who was someone appreciated and respected in congress and was senate confirmed, this complaint was filed right as he is leaving and there's this tumult. we know senator burr and others
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in congress wanted a different person to be leading the intelligence community right now and did not. so there's a lot of questions about the leadership there and how this has all played out. this whistle blower complaint happened around the time that was going on. >> let me read a little of adam schiff's september 13 -- this is on friday, this letter to the dna. it says absent compliance by tuesday, september 17th, the committee will require you to appear for a public hearing on thursday, september 19th, to account for the decision to withhold the whistleblower complaint. we've already seen this administration defy subpoenas, refuse to appear. so far, they don't seem to believe they have to uphold the law, which is that they should -- this complaint should go to congress or subpoena. what do you anticipate happening? >> when this administration digs in, it's dug in. i suspect they may try to fight this. they may also try to reach some sort of accommodation where they turn over some of the details but perhaps not all the details. keep what they say is privileged
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to themselves. there are any number of ways this could play out. if this escalates, and if there's this impasse we're talking about, it's also possible this whistleblower could do an end run around the processes and go direct three congress or to the press. >> would it be -- would they be subject to prosecution if they went to the press? >> potentialy, yes. that's why there's this whistleblower act that prescribes a list of avenues for whistleblowers to take. if this person were to say this is going nowhere. i'm going to the media, they'd set themselves up for potential criminal prosecution. >> this would be the edward snowden -- the complaint was he could have gone through this process? >> i hate to compare this person to edward snowden because edward snowden went directly to the press. not to the inspector general or to congress even. went directly to several journalists. >> this is what senate oversight committee chairman elijah cummings wrote to mark esper. this is about the military's use
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of turnberry a. if the department does not begin to produce the required documents this week the committee will be forced to consider -- the use of military and essentially tax money to spend at trump's resorts. we've had subpoenas defied. people refusing to appear. that's the pattern. so is there anything from adam schiff's committee that they're anticipating what they'll do if they get more noncompliance? >> i think the pattern is the point. we're seeing this across a number economists where they're demanding documents and testimony from people inside the administration and getting stonewalled. >> the mueller grand jury materials. >> that's going to be litigated. but the point is there's potentially a boiling point where congress says this obstruction is too far and as they discuss potential articles of impeachment they keep referencing judiciary chairman jerry nadler who is pointing out obstruction of congress was an article against nixon.
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the more this builds up, the more pressure there is to take that allegation seriously. >> and andrew johnson. >> it's especially important in this context, though. in order to have a secret intelligence apparatus and a democracy like ours, we've entered into this social compact, especially since watergate that says you, the intelligence community can have incredible authorities and capabilities but in turn there have to be checks and balances. some of them come within the executive branch. some come with the judicial branch when it comes to the fisa court. the most important of those checks are with congress. congress has an indispensable oversight role when it comes to the activities of the intelligence community. and if the intelligence community is stonewalling, it eats at our democratic system. this bargain we've entered into in a really incredibly dangerous way. >> because the appearance would be from the public that the entire apparatus of government, the entire executive branch now only exists to protect one person, to protect donald trump if, in fact, he's done anything wrong. they seem to be collecting around him rather than
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protecting the country. that would be the perception if they cannot -- if congress cannot oversee the president. >> that's the perception and it is as donald trump likes it. he has long thought that the apparatus of government is there to support him. his military. his attorney general. his cabinet officials. to him, in his mind, they belong to him. we know, our constitution suggests, law suggests they belong to us. they are public servants. we are the public. he is one individual. he does not seem to understand that. >> you'll have a follow up on this? >> i think the intel community has been exception to some of this. if we see that seep into the relationship between the intelligence community and congress, it's been somewhat strained in recent years because of the various investigations that have become very politicized. but typically there's been a functional relationship between congress and the dni. so if that doesn't -- if that starts to break down, then it's a really new era. >> it is a new era in so many ways. kyle cheney, thank you very
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are miss ramirez's allegations about you true? >> those are not.
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she -- none of the witnesses in the room support that. if that had happened, that would have been the talk of campus in our freshman dorm. >> as a supreme court nominee, brett kavanaugh denied allegations of sexual misconduct during his high school and college years. including those made by deborah ramirez, a former classmate at yale. ramirez alleges that at a party when they were both freshmen, kavanaugh, quote, pulled down his pants and thrust his penis at her prompting her to swat it away and inadvertently touch it. kavanaugh claimed that had the incident haptd, happened, it would have been the talk of campus. now "the new york times" is reporting on evidence that it was the talk of campus. for "the times," at least seven people heard about the yale incident long before kavanaugh was a federal judge, including two classmates who learned about it just days after the party occurred. "the times" also revealed a new accusation of misconduct by max
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steyer, another yale classmate of kavanaugh's who said he saw, quote, kavanaugh with his pants down at a different drunken dorm party where friends pushed his penis into the hand of a female student. "the times" reports that stier notified senators and the fbi about this report but the bureau did not investigate. joining me is heidi bris biprzy. thanks for being here. >> yes. >> perhaps one that stood out to me most was the fact that -- this is element two. deborah ramirez's legal team gave the fbi during this kavanaugh investigation, this short investigation, a list of at least 25 individuals who may have had corroborating evidence of her allegation but the bureau in its supplemental background investigation investigated not one of them, zero of them. what do you make of that based on your reporting on this story?
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>> it's in line with our reporting because at the time, i was speaking with actual women who had text messages that were very potentially incriminating. at least had more information that needed to be run down who were not being interviewed by the fbi. deborah ramirez's lawyer was saying it wasn't the agents. they wanted to do an investigation but the white house had such a tight grip on this investigation and was deciding who they could talk to and who they couldn't talk to and that it was going to be a very limited investigation in scope. we were still speaking with people, joy, at the time of susan collins announcing her vote who had, for instance, text messages with an eyewitness who debbie ramirez had identified as an eyewitness saying that brett had told him to say, quote, no bad and balling out my source for saying that he had been in touch with kavanaugh in advance.
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these things were happening in realtime as the vote was about to occur. so it was almost as if there was this rush to get the vote and to get the vote before there was any kind of a broader investigation that was not just limited to these witnesses that the white house had hand picked. >> your reporting to that very point seems to indicate brett kavanaugh himself was involved in trying to quash potential witnesses from either talking to "the new yorker" or to preempt the new yorker story where the original allegations were thrown open to the public. but to tamp that down and he was involved in that? >> so we had a report, joy, that there was a woman who was friends with the wife of one of the eyewitnesses and that she had gotten some text misfires which suggested, joy, that brett's team and that's how this woman referred to it, may have anticipated the debbie ramirez
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allegations as early as july. the new yorker story didn't come out until september but what did happen in july, christine blasey ford sent an anonymous tip to "the washington post," okay? so at the same time, my source gave me information that the eyewitnesses to the debbie ramirez incident started looking for this photograph of debbie smiling with brett kavanaugh at a wedding many years later, potentially to show they were friends and that, hey there was nothing that happened here that was untoward. and she thinks my source who is on the record about all of this, what may have happened is they anticipated debbie being the anonymous tipster or -- >> and so you have here, and this is element four, the next messages and this is from your story, suggest that kavanaugh wanted to refute the accuser's claim before it became public. a former classmate of the nominee reached out to the fbi but hasn't reached a response.
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in your reporting, some of these witnesses who were getting text messages from team kavanaugh or maybe from him, from the eyewitnesses, were willing to talk to the fbi and trying to talk to the fbi. >> oh, gosh, they wrote memos to the fbi. they were begging to be interviewed by the fbi. they were contacting senator grassley's staff. senator grassley's staff disputes this. they say they talked to my sources, but they sources say that the people who interviewed them were junior staffers and it was a very elemental interview and really didn't get into the meat of what they were offering in their fbi memos. >> in your supporting as well, the staffers were seeming to push the idea there was a mistaken identity involved, even though that is not what your sources were -- >> this was yet another woman, jen klaus, a yale classmate who received a phone call from grassley's staff where they suggested that there was another man, and i won't identify his
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name, but that there was another man known at yale for dropping his pants. she disputed that, but according to her, she felt like they were trying to push the possibility that maybe debbie had just mistaken him for another person. >> donald trump this morning is tweeting that brett kavanaugh should start suing people for libel. do you have any reporting on why the determination, given all of the flaws of this nominee, given the number of credible women coming forward accusing him of gross sexual misconduct, why was there such determination to -- that only he could be the nominee? do you have any reporting on that? >> i mean, brett kavanaugh had been someone that, i think, had been in with the bush dynasty for quite a while. he has a lot of friends in washington and they felt he was a qualified nominee. i don't have any reporting, joy, to suggest that there was anything premeditated about
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this. but certainly there has been also reporting that needs to be looked into, that you and i discussed in the break about brett kavanaugh's debts that suddenly disappeared as well in advance of this nomination and that there was additional reporting that maybe would have come out had this nomination not been so rushed. >> and it is interesting as we close the department of justice that one william barr is about to give the highest order award to those who helped to push this nomination through. that's who he is deciding to reward with one of the highest level awards at the department of justice can give out. really strange things going on around this brett kavanaugh person who is now a supreme court justice for life. heidi przybyla, i appreciate it.
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we started sending letters to deutsche bank last year. and they were not responsive because they did not feel that we had the authority to demand anything from them. the documents that we wanted. but now that i'm chairing that committee and the democrats are
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in charge of the house, they've said they'll cooperate. >> the investigation into deutsche bank just got more interesting. in a court ruling relating to two house committees, lawyers for donald trump's longtime bank have confirmed the company holds some tax returns which may be related to trump, his companies and immediate family members. meaning that waters, chair of the financial services committee, could be one step closer to getting her hands on those elusive tax returns. joining us now is maxine waters of california. always great to see you in person. >> delighted to be with you. >> when we started having this conversation with you about the deutsche bank investigations your committee was undertaking, the presumption was you would not be the committee that would wind up with donald trump's taxes. >> that's right. >> and lo and behold, deutsche bank says we may have some tax records. how likely will those records be in your hand? >> i don't know that but the judge said tell us why they
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shouldn't be and so now they have to respond to that because we had the hearing on the merits. so i don't think they're going to be able to just say we're not going to give it to you. i think the judge said you tell us why they should not be given to this committee. and so that's what we're waiting on. >> and substantively, what is your investigation looking into? is this about the trump organization? is this about trump personally? what do you see? what red flags do you see regarding him and this one bank that would lend to him? >> he has refused to show his tax returns. and, of course, everybody wants to know why. and, of course, he has a reputation for everything from filing bankruptcies to cheating people to basically being involved with the russians and other foreign entities. and so there's a lot there. not only about his personal tax
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returns but about his businesses and his family's businesses. you have kushner who is going around the world borrowing money from foreign governments as he has done with the government of qatar. and why should someone who is in the white house operation go out borrowing money from other entities and foreign entities when, in fact, we have the business of trying to negotiate with them, to work with them, to understand how we can work out problems with other governments. he should not be free to go out borrowing money from them. so it's for all of these reasons that we're looking at his taxes. we are looking at his finances personally and his businesses. >> are you able to look at the current finances because the think about donald trump that's unusual for all presidents we've had, he's still earning money he can see because he never put his businesses in a blind trust. he and his family still earn off
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all of the hotels and resorts and golf clubs that foreign entities are staying in and now we found out the army is sending people to stay in his turnberry golf club rather than the hotels right nearby the airport. is that also going to come under the purview of your investigations? >> it's going to be investigated. as you know, this revelation about the air force and what they were doing in referring those overnight stays and those stays by the crews, et cetera, is just goicoming to the forefr. i'm told some in the judiciary committee had been looking at this but now it's center front. this is typical of this president. don't forget, the saudis, you know, came to his hotel in washington, d.c. they covered 500 rooms. thousands of dollars to not only have catering but to pay for parking and, guess why they came? they came to fight a law that
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said that the people who had been victimized, hurt by 9/11, could not file a suit against th them. they were here to lobby against new yorkers harmed and responders harmed to say they could not file a lawsuit against them. and this is what the president is all about. he does not care about democracy. he does not care about any of this. this is all about him making money and he'll make it any way that he possibly can whether it is directing people to stay in his -- at his golf courses and in his hotels and now directing the air force and his vice president, of course, who he just directed to stay in one of his operations and so it is 101 reason yes this president is unfit for office, should not be the president of the united states. making money off of his own establishments while he is the president of the united states.
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it's a conflict of interest. so we're looking at personal and business relationships, and i think there's a lot of other stuff that's going to come up. >> and how might your committee's investigations and financial services intersect with the impeachment inquiry. because now the thinking seems to be, at least from hill sources, that this sort of focus is shifting from just what's in the mueller report which is bad enough as it is. things like obstruction of justice to broaden that out and the inquiry could include self-enrichment through his presidency. >> all six committees that are investigating are going to come up with the reasons why they think that he should be impeached or not impeached. and when we finish with our information, it will all come together so that there may be ten reasons. some of it coming from the work of the judiciary. some coming from my committee. some from intelligence. some from ways and means, et cetera, et cetera, foreign
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affairs. so we're all now, you know, just taking a look at the work that we're doing. we've all tried to get -- we've subpoenaed many of his operations. and so that information is slowly coming in. and we're investigating other aspects of his involvement with russia. the collusion part of that, et cetera. and so -- >> are you confident now? at this point with 135, i believe, democrats on board, do you think he will be impeached? >> absolutely. i think he should be. and we should have started a long time ago. i know a lot of people are concerned about we're getting close to the election but we can't stop. we cannot stop. this is unworthy president. he should never have been elected to the presidency of the united states. he's destructive. he's aligned with our enemies in russia and cozying up to north korea. we have every reason in the world for his impeachment. let's put the facts out there
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and bring us all together. i believe he will be impeached. >> congresswoman waters, thank you for being here. we'll keep tabs on you. >> thanks very much. coming up, an update on what might be the trump administration's cruellest policy yet. deporting migrants who are receiving life-saving medical treatment in the united states. the deadline for some of those migrants to leave is this weekend. and that is next. what's going on? it's the 3pm slump. should have had a p3. oh yeah. should have had a p3. need energy? get p3. with a mix of meat, cheese and nuts. big dreams start with small steps... ...but dedication can get you there.
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my name is maria. at 24 years old, i came to the u.s. from guatemala when i was only 7 to participate in a clinical trial to save my life and life of those like me. i came here and have been a legal resident for over 16 years. on august 13th, they sent me a letter giving me family just 33 days to leave the country. >> the day our lawyers told us the medical deferred action program was canceled, i started crying telling my mom, i don't want to die. i don't want to die. if i go back to honduras, i will die. >> maria and jason are among the 424 people who received letters last month telling them they had 33 days to leave the country. a practical death sentence for those receiving life-saving medical treatment in the u.s. the trump administration has backtracked saying it will review some of those cases. with the 33 days now up, people
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with their lives on the line are in the dark about what happens next. joining me is masa from the immigration lawyers association. she's an attorney per cell recipients of the deferred medical program. >> masa kanbabe. >> let's talk about these cases. do the families know now whether they have to leave because the administration claims that was not their intent. >> some of them do know. some of us have received letters saying our cases will be reopened, they'll be reviewed. under what standard is still unclear and very concerning. but some individuals, their cases were filed after the secret august 7th deadline and we don't know what's going to happen to those cases. >> specifically, a lot of people
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picked jason because rachel maddow was kind enough to examine her case. >> isabel's case has been reopened. we're working closely on monitoring her case as well as my own and several others throughout the country. >> let me play a pediatrician who testified on wednesday about this. doctor fiona and her assessment of what the policy of carrying this out would be. >> today was the hearing and it was a great opportunity to hear my story, the situation and what's going on. and i hope that after today, you know, both parties can really take action to this nightmare situation that i don't think any human being should go through. should go through this because it's been overwhelming just
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devastating news. >> i'll read what the pediatrician said. she said it is sadly not hyperbole to say that sending medically fragile children to such environments amounts to essentially a death sentence. let's talk about your clients subject to the same policy. tell us about the cases that are the most urgent that you are personally dealing with. >> so one of my clients is serena, a young 14-year-old girl who when she was 4 years old, her physicians in spain told her parents that she would likely not live beyond the age of 10 or 12 because her heart condition was so rare that they couldn't treat it there in spain. she came to the united states and has had a total of five open-heart surgeries both in spain and the u.s. the last of which was last year. vocal cord surgery and because of the complexity of her case, she had to stay here and couldn't return to spain, even though that was the family's
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plan. and the other young man that i'm representing is someone that has mental health issues, came here for treatment. his condition deteriorated and he needed to stay and could not leave. and both of these cases, thankfully, have received letters stating that they've been reopened. >> and in these cases, the thing is this administration has been extremely hard line on undocumented migration, but these aren't undocumented migrants. in many cases, they were asked to come here. these aren't people who aren't documented. they're here quite legally. >> right, yeah. it's amazing. we have two different groups of people. both who are being targeted by this monstrous policy. we have individuals like isabel who came here at the invitation of treatment and have saved thousands of lives because of the research they're going under, basically putting their bodies at the disposal of american physicians looking to treat their conditions. and then individuals like my clients who came on visas to get
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treatment here and have been paying for it out of their own funds and taking loans in their home countries and wanting to follow the laws and filing applications on a timely basis. now basically being told we don't care that you're trying to do the right thing. you need to leave in 33 days. >> do you know -- you might know the information of the 442 people. are a majority of them from places in latin america? >> i think there's a wide mix but we do seem to see there's a concentration of people from latin america, from other third world countries and it's curious to see why is it that the government is targeting these people. >> it's quite curious indeed. mahsa, thank you very much for being here. i really appreciate you. >> thank you, joy. it's a pleasure. more "a.m. joy" after the break. hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. from the day you're born
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all right, we are showing you a live picture of birmingham's 16th street baptist church. four little girls were killed by a bombing set off by members of the kkk. a few minutes from now, a memorial service at the church, former vice president joe biden will deliver a major speech on race. it comes days after his answer after the third primary debate about how the u.s. can deal with
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the slavery. joe biden is drawing scrutiny for how he's appearing to defend his democratic opponent through his supporters. >> you know what he wrote in "the washington post" today? he says you are a hypocrite because you took donation from people like him, i think he gave you like $4,000. >> when i made the decision to run for president, i knew what i would be fighting for. i knew how i wanted to fight. and i didn't want to sell excess my time. i wanted to spend it building a grass root campaign. senator warren is one of the latest opponents to be subjected to be attacked by fans of joe biden. former democratic governor ed
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randall calling her a hypocrite. transferring millions of dollars from her senate reelection campaign to her presidential campaign. you have seen this hardball tactic before from team biden. after the first debate when kamala harris called him out on his prior stance on bussing and working with segregationists when he was in congress. one of his supporters told "politico "politico," harris quote "lowball." after this week that is not happening. >> similar attacks again after this week's debate of julian castro while challenging him on his healthcare plan. >> secretary castro likes to talk about learning from history, clearly didn't learn
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from the first two debates that you know taking personal cheap shots at vice president biden does not work out well. >> so is joe biden fighting his opponents through his surrogates? >> jason johnson, political analy analyst, tiffany cross, and ed randall, former governor of pennsylvania. governor randall, i will go to you first, it was your opt ed that prompted the discussion looking at the way team biden fought back. there is a sense that biden supporters will not break any descent from anything of joe biden or any criticism of him. some may say may not be a healthy strategy. what do you make of that? the sense they'll break no debate from joe biden's record. >> first of all, joy, thank you for having me on.
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i want to clear up something. the biden cam tpaign did not as me to write that debate. i don't work for the biden campaign. the new york times called about a story that was published before the opt ed and based on that story, they were doing a story by elizabeth warren's fund raising. she changed her policy and attacked the biden's fundraiser in philadelphia in june. 20 other people given elizabeth maximum under federal law, ten months before our senate campaign. the "times" called me on thursday, will you write an opt ed piece, the biden campaign had nothing to do with it. when i am asked a question, i
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answered it. >> warren came to the collusion that big money is toxic to politics. some may call it a positive evolution, why attack her for it. a lot of people say she come to a position and good for her? >> she said she will change in the general election and gback o the traditional way of fund raising. that's ruled out. >> three, she attacked the biden's fundraisers who gave them maximum federal amount for doing exactly what we did for her a less than a year before. look she can do whatever she wants. i like elizabeth warren. don don't attack people who asked them to do ten months before. she attacked us. >> jason, what do you make of all of this?
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you do have, you know, it is a competition. we are not all there to be friends and competing against each other. it does seem there is a certain on the biden side. he's not the only feud that did not broke any. >> on the particular warren situation, what seems odd to a lot of folks is that a lot of people are glad that she changed her mind about big dollar donation and think she comes to a popular position among based democrats. >> when beto ran for the senate last year says i am not going to take your guns and hey, a mass shooting, he dhachanged his min. if she changes again and becomes the nominee, that's fine. she's going against donald trump, needs to raise a bunch of money. the issue boils down to the fact
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that joe biden is not nearly as good as attacking his opponent as his surrogates are. so this big sense in a campaign context that reflects the fact that he's not always his best manager. >> on the debate stage. the two attacks on him had come from julian castro and kamala harris. the bush back against them we are going to come after his criminal justice background and julian calling him ages. people are going to get tough. what do you make of the way this is all playing out in terms of -- is this helping biden? >> the biggest surprise in the debate is that he did not see that attack coming. you look at him and you wonder people around him and not anticipate she was going to bring up bussing. i think with the castro attack if you want to call it that.
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i don't think america wants to see joe biden gets beat up. there is a misunderstanding when we are saying that. why are we assuming that he's the front runner. it is not an attack on joe biden, he's beloved by the people and he's known as uncle joe. nobody wants to see him get beat up. when you go up against donald trump, he's going to pull out every low blow he can find. if one you are not prepared for that attack or two, you are not prepare to defend yourself, it is not really a good image by people who are saying he's the most electable based solely on the fact that he's a white man. white people will not vote for a woman or person of color. i don't think it is a strong enough message. >> it is an important point. you're a supporter of the former vice president, he's popular. his support now is based on the fact that african-american voters overwhelmingly referring
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him to anyone else and trust that he's more electable. a general election would be far, far tougher than anything the former vice president has faced on the debate stage with these fellow democrats. the fact that vice president biden does not seem to sometimes be prepared for the environment for which he's being attacked. i have been hearing at cbc and been talking to people, the one thing people worry about the most with joe biden is that donald trump will in venvis ratm and will do anything to destroy him and there will be a repeat of what happened with clinton because there won't be the ability to respond. it will be so much coming out of it that he won't be able to deal with it. what do you make of those fear going around d.c.? >> first of all, joe biden's performance in the three debates
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gotten enkincrementally better. dan walsh is the most highly regard political commentator in america thought he won the debate. so i don't think his debate performances were poor. >> i don't mean to interrupt your answer. hillary clinton was on paper. but at the end of the day, what stuck to her were obviously the obsession in their e-mails. donald trump are vicious local attacks with her. are you worried those kinds of things and joe biden won't be able to respond and you will have the same problem that secretary clinton does. >> donald trump is a bad man no matter who our candidate is. he'll find stuff to attack and make stuff up to attack.
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joe biden can hang in there, he's tough and a season political veteran. he got one thing going for him that maybe bernie sanders has and nobody else. the american people know who he is. they have made their opinion of him and you are right, their opinion is he's a good decent man and decent values. it is difficult to change people's minds for someone like that, that's been seen in action for 40 years. >> we'll take a break. now, joe biden is starting his speech in alabama. let's take a listen. >> even in a city then described as i remember as the most segregated in the united states of america, the assassination of four bright promising, innocent young girls preparing for sunday school, the cruelty of the
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dynamite, the appalling impunity afforded in the murders while a grieving community cried out for justi justice and the nation watched. annie may, cynthia carol and denise. these children are god, today of 70 years of age. each individual life rich in promise stolen. each future unfiulfilled.
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anna may east's sister i got to today still carries the scars internally and externally. for so many family members here today. this is not a symbolic loss that trans-fix the world and inspire the whole nation. it is personal. even 56 years later, it is tragic. when you lose a child so young as many of us experienced in different circumstances, the la loss is always punctuated by questions no matter how much time passes. what did she look like or what would she become? what would she have done? and what memories will never be.
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the heartbreaks anew when remembering an incredible, potential opportunity was denied, that child and your family and all in their orbit. we never let ourselves forget. dr. king proclaims at the funeral service, their deaths say us, we must work passiona passionately for the realization of the american dream. indeed that blast took aim at the foundations of this community in 1963. it blew wide open, the door of the civil rights act of 1964. it shook my generation to its core. it helped us realize and other parts of the country different
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races. it helped us realize working on the movement was not enough. the struggle against hate and injustice, the institutional racism had to become the un unrelenting work of the generation before and after. if someone wants to battle many of us had been fighting for half a industrcentury. equal opportunities and equal s justice. for more than five decades after we lost those four innocent children, we gathered in this hollow ground, conceived and constructed by black dreams, raised up by black resilience and santified by black blood and
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tears. brought to these shores over 400 years ago. in a sensory long campaign of violence, fear, trauma, brought upon black people in this country. the domestic terrorism and white supremacy had been the antagonist of our highest ideal. bomb makers, lone gunmen and as we all realize this violent does not live in the past. the same poisonous ideology livered in 16th street pulled the trigger at mother emanuel
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and pastor, you have such an incredible congregation. you told the trigger mother emanuel to unleash the semetism. we saw el paso parking lot with a military style weapon declaring he would stop quote "hispanic invasion of texas." we have not relegated racism and supremacy. the greatness of this nation has always been and must continue to be that we still strive to relegate. we hold these true evidence, we never looked up to it but we never before walked away from it.
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it unites us. it is the american creed. it is one of those powerful ideas in the history of the world and lives in each and everyone of us. our believes in it is what compels us to act. we remember the whole description. hate evil and love goodness. and lord may be gracious to us. you know it is an awake of these before and after moments. when the choice between good and evil is darkest. when the pain pierces the heart the deepest. when what's at stake matters the most that we decide who we are and maybe more importantly who we want to be.
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that's when its people and as a nation we are defined. in my life, when dr. king was assassinated and my city of wilmington, delaware, was occ y occupied by the national guard answered bernie, i faced him as many of my neighborhood faced a defining moment. in my case, i just graduated, do i leave and become a public defender? i left. took the first step in life unfulfilled but committed to civil rights. before and after, my life have never been the same. when my first wife and daughter
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were killed and my two boys badly injured in a car accident. i faced like many of you in a defining moment, walk away in public life or stay? i chose to stay before and after. my life would never be the same my son, major jo biden died a painful long death. he made me promise that i would not withdraw. i will be all right, dad. just promise me. promise me. he made me promise not to retreat like all of you have been asked by your beloved to not retreat from a fight. a defining moment before and
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after. never the same. charlottesville, when i saw those tortures and when i heard those chants and saw the hate on the march, i knew like all of you, although i hope it will never happen again. i knew like all of you the hate was on the march i knew it was again in a defining moment from the nation and all of us and that our silence would be complicity. our silence is complicity. before and after charlottesville, this nation will never be the same. we remain endured for the night but joy comes in the morning. the philosophers tell us faith sees best in the dark. now, hate is on the rise again.
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we are in a defining moment again in american history. who are we? what do we want to be? after charlottesville, i said that i believe we are in a battle for the soul of america. i say it again today, we are in the battle of the soul of america. [ applause ] >> here at the historic 16th baptist church, there is no reminder of that and no example of what is demanded of us in response. it is a battle we fought again and again. it is a battle that's claimed countless lives. hate is ononly hides, it does n away. if you give it oxygen, it comes out of the rock. it can't be defeated or drowned
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out but it can't be vanquished. we should realize that the revulsion of hate as its ugliest can sum us as as nation to do better and bring out the best in us. the white supremacists so heinous can't be ignored by any decent americans. presents an opportunity to continue to make progress against systematic racism. i believe the american people are ready gijust as they are in 1964 to take another step i am sure in the first hour after the bomb exploded. it was hard to see through the smoke and rubble of this church and our hearts. hard to see through the smoke and rubble. to a day like today as dr. king
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eulogized those girls, a day nearly 50 years later when the nation's first black president would award the congressional gold medal to one of our highest sifrl y civilian honors for those young women. it is only o f their persistence efforts and faith for ourselves and the future may yet to be that can change things. that change comes. sometimes slowly and sometimes all at once. but, it continues. we saw my good friends, we have been friends for years. doug, senator jones is here today. he like many of you never give up on justice for annie mayor or cynthia carol or denise, never. it didn't matter to him that
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almost 40 years have passed doing the right thing does not tarnish with time. with know we are not there yet, no one knows it better. my mommy has an expression, if you want to understand me, walk in my shoes for a mile. we can never fully, fully understand no matter how hard we try. we are almost at this next phase progress in my views. it is almost 330 americans and i know there is nothing we can accomplish if we stand together. stand against hate and what at our best and our nation believes, honesty and decencdec giving everybody a fair shot and
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not leaving anybody behind. be apart of something bigger than ourselves. that's who we are and who we are supposed to be. that's why i believe so passionately that we have got to work to bring this country together. this is the work demanded for the rebirth and renewal, 56 years ago, the sunday school's lesson was to love and forgive, reverend cross never got to give his sermon that day. reverend, i don't know how many times right now you have done it. it will be done again today. we have to choose forgiveness again and again and god that takes incredible strengths. i will never forget traveling with president obama to meet the families of your church at
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mother emanuel in south carolina. a personal friend of mine murdered. i lost my son bo, only days earlier but i wanted to be there with him. i watched in awe as president obama addressed the community as he he sang with them "amazing grace" and he offered healing and solidarity as the community saw it. it was a friday, i decided to stay because i wanted to go to the service on sunday with my wife ji wife, jill, to attend the service. i sat through the service, i was bullied by that congregation of the loss my family just suffered
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weeks earlier. it made us helpless. i was astounded by the "amazing grace," the families of the victims as they chose so quickly after their loss of a white supremacist murdering them to forgive the killer. i was dumbfounded. it made me believe strongly everything about my faith. a killer who's buying the wounds and their wrongs. compassion. to be able to live again in a community after a horrifying rupture is astounding to me. their example is a moral challenge that each of us in our lives. my prayers this morning is at this moment when our nation must
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again must once decide once again who we are, what we stand for and we'll remember the strength of the community. we'll remember the moment that time stops and then remember everything that came after. we'll choose once more to fight for our share of the american dream. mr. mayor, reverend price and this beloved community, thank you for the faith and hope you give all the rest of us, thank you, thank you for allowing me to be apart of this day. >> former vice president joe biden getting emotional towards the end of a speech that he's given in the church four little girls were massacred. a moment that shook his generation, biden talked about
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his own experience of losing a young child from his biography, he lost his children in a car accident when he was in his first marriage and connecting with that loss of a child and asking yourself where that child may have been. the bombing that took place in that church shook my generation to the core and made us realized that working on the fringes against racism was not enough he talked about the occupation of his hometown, delaware. nine months the national guards occupied wilmington, delaware after dr. king were assassinated. there were uprising all over the country. he talked about wanting to reclaim the goodness of america. one of the things that's striking of the biden's candidacy is about some way of reclaiming the idea, the
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goodness of america. one of the messages that barack obama also delivered to the country. he talked about the former president, president obama and his amazing grace moment in which he broke out in song and singing a verse of "amazing grace" as he delivered a speech after the mother emanuel ma massacre in south carolina. he connected it that his own son bo recently died before he attended that service and saying being in that service. i want to bring back my panelist to get your reaction. governor rendell, what you saw in that speech is why people really liked joe biden. he's somebody who's family is first and for most and the people he loved which also including the former president.
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you can feel the pain he's still walking around in the world from losing his own children which makes it poignant for him to be the guy to speak about the loss of these four little girls. >> i agree with you joy, i know him well. the thing he does best is be a father. he is a great father to his kids especially right after the accident. he boarded the metro liner every night from washington to make sure he was home for those two broken little boys. he's a good man. that's the central thing we should all remember. >> to come to the table for a moment. this is the reason i think you made the point that's true. the reason the julian castro moment dinged him so much is joe biden is a likable person. even when you know some of the negatives from his past. he's the american white man.
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he comes of this long direction from the time living in the segregation era and shared the views, he sorts of relate to that part of america. he's really is that person that's grown enough to be family. a lot of older, listen, you hear joe biden and he does resonate. you connect with him and sympathize with him. that's why people don't want to see him, you know, get beat up on any kind of campaign trail. that however does not make him the most electable candidate out of this field. those are two different things. i think we have to realize that and with all do respect to government rendell, apart of the challenge of the surrogate, they seem to be pulling from the chatter class and the day of
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yester years. that's not insulting to anybody, saying biden is not a great person and what better people to understand and empathize with this testimony that a black church on sunday morning. that does not make up the voting l electorate. part of the reason obama won is because he had all the black people and a few additional pockets of communities across the country. i don't think joe biden can get that. when you think of who you have to inspire to turn out, i am not sure how many young or aggressive groups, people you have to come out to reach the pockets of america to make them feel so inspired to go out and vote. that's nothing bad and nothing
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against joe biden for his team. >> let me let governor rendell respond to that. >> well, it is hard to predict what's going to happen in any election. we should have learned that from 2016. does joe biden have some challenges from his candidate? >> sure, he does. i was on tv a couple of nights ago. they're attacking me and heavily defending joe biden's age. >> gosh, let's get real. the two major contenders with joe biden are elizabeth warren who is 70 and bernie sanders who's two years older than joe biden. what are we talking about? he's not running against jack kennedy at 43 years of age. number two, people are misreading what america wants right now. america wants to be brought back together again. america wants somebody to remind
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them. i will tell you there is no one in this field and no one in the country of my judgment could do better at that point. >> i think governor rendell just hit on that. this is the edge. the little word that i wrote down to summarize the speech for me is joe biden represents for the nostalgia of the inheritance of america which by the way so did barack obama. his message was i can heal this racial divide. so there is apart of america that wants the absolution. >> yes. >> there is apart of america that wants change. they're very different electorates inside the black community. >> yes. that ain't my ministry. i am not from the forgiveness church. i was asked mother emanuel, i don't forgive dylan roof or anybody that's involved.
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i understand politicians want to engage in that behavior. it is exactly what tiffany was talking about. i understand that joe biden is a s sincere and passionate man. he obviously was affected by these. a couple of years later, you are making sure that black kids could not go to school where they wanted to. a couple years later, you are signing a crime bill. that's what matters to me as a generation answer. i am moved by cory booker and being at emanuel church and you talk about terrorism 56 years ago, the change that we want to see is america of the future. i don't care about the past. the past was not something i am nostalgic about. he didn't prover it to me in h speech. >> that's the divide. that's what this election is going to come down to whether the people who are going to say
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we are not going to do "amazing grace" and wipe away the past and go back to the past for a lot of people they can see the history it was not the past was not a glorious past and those who wants restoration of something there is an nostalgia for. that's the race. you saw it right here. jason and tiffany and former governor rendell. thank you. >> there are new developments, hold onto your hats. we'll speak to one candidate next about brett kavanaugh. next, more "a.m. joy" after the break. tt kavanaugh next, more "a.m. joy" after the break. of 5g with ultra wideband, so more screaming, streaming, posting fans... can experience 5g all at once. this is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl... imagine what it can do for you.
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kamala harris and julian castro are calling for the impeachment of brett kavanaugh. after report of the new york times reveals of a new reveal of sexually assault. kavanaugh with his pants down at a drunken party where friends pushed his penis into another student. the bureau did not investigate. the "times" found another similar allegations by another classmate. kavanaugh waved his penis at her face corroborated by seven other
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people. the fbi did not call any, not one of the 25 potential witnesses ramirez provided to the bureau. donald trump responded to the story that brett kavanaugh should start suing people or that the justice department should quote "come to his rescue." kavanaugh denied all allegations against him. joining me now is julian castro. thank you for joining me. you are calling for kavanaugh to be impeached. how likely is it do you think these allegations would get anywhere near making that happen and have you talked to any house members about it? >> look, we know whether you are looking at impeachment of donald trump or anybody else that mitch mcconnell and his buddy in the senate are not likely there. what's happening right now with donald trump and what he's doing and the presidency and what's happening with this kavanaugh process is that they're
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completely undermining our democratic process and necessity to go by what is truthful and honest especially when you are talking about somebody that's sitting on the highest court in the land that's supposed to be the ultimate arbiter of what is right and just. what becomes clear is that he should be impeached. the house has the ability to impeach him. the question is what the senate would do. i want to know at this point why did the fbi not follow up on all of these leads they have. they didn't lift a finger to in re investigate it. if they did bring some of the republican senators, why did those senators say anything? >> you tweeted that in your view brett kavanaugh lied under oath.
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do you believe he lied during his testimony of these sexual misconduct. >> on this new information, that certainly appears like that he lied under oath. >> and do you believe that he is essentially a sexual predator or he was at some point. >> yes, i believe that he engaged in the conduct that was described. folks should stop and think for a second. you had now many, many people who made similar allegations about his conduct in different c contexts. these were not people who made the claim well he was a judge or before he was up for the supreme court or before he was in the limelig limelight. these are folks themselves and we have seen coming forward. they have a lot to lose in
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coming forward. they were risking their career and reputation and people know how it is these days. you step in the public's eye and you get the blow back even when you are being truthful about somethingme something. they risked all of that and before he came up for a vote for the supreme court. that tells me there is truth there. it is appalling that mitch mcconnell buddies have stolen the supreme court twice, mayor garland and the second time putting this guy on the supreme court. >> let me play for a moment. this is a moment where brett kavanaugh under oath denies the sexual misconduct allegations against him. take a listen. >> are allegations about you true? >> those are not. none of the witnesses in the room supports that.
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if that had happened, it would have been the talk of campus in our freshmen dorm. >> the story, the big blockbuster story was the talk of campus, seven people knew about it at the time. do you believe that miss ramirez was prepared 25 witnesses. these staff committee members from the judiciary committee who spoke with her attempted to imply it may be a case of mistaken identity. do you believe there was misconduct in this case by the fbi and the department of justice or by the negotiatsenat seen uninterested in finding out of what happened with this brief investigation of mr. kavanaugh. >> based on this report, i believe that. in the least i think congress, the house of representatives should immediately open up a review that investigation of why
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that information was not followed up on by the fbi. why it was not made available to democrats on that committee. it is completely outside the bounds of the normal process of a nomination for the fbi not to follow up on those kinds of leads. that's not just incompetent investigation, that seems like intentionally bad and so they absolutely begin a review right now. >> the implication of this new york times story was that it seems the committee did not encourage the information. do you believe any sort of investigation into what happened here should also include the republican members of the senate judiciary member seeming to rush through this nomination and get it through quickly as possible or the department of justice, william barr is about to be
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given an award through the people who pushed this nomination through and got it to happen. do you believe there should be a broader look. senior republicans in washington and people the doj seemingly to do anything to make it happen as quickly as possible by any means. >> i don't think any of them have clean hands. republicans were controlling the judiciary committee, mitch mcconnell, the fbi, bill barr, the doj, all of them, this information that we have very come pemingly points to trying to cover up that evidence so it will not make the light of day or derail kavanaugh's nomination. >> the president has tweeted and his tweets are taken as instruction. if you listen to michael cohen of the way he communiques as cae
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wants done, we know william barr is compliant of whatever he is. are you concerned now since donald trump has suggested both that brett kavanaugh starts suing people but also the justice department stepped in and come to his rescue? do you worry william barr will carry out that twitter order? >> well, we have seen plenty of examples as you say of these departments carrying out the order of the president in inappropriate ways but this is so far from normal. it is another reason that we need to beat donald trump in 2020 and not impeach him before then. s the justice department is not supposed to be the personal lawyer of the president or of a supreme court justice. and so this is another complete distortion by the president of what the department of justice
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is there to do. it gives you a hint that it is very easy to believe that they covered up information for the sake of the president willing to get brett kavanaugh appointed for supreme court. >> julian castro, thank you for coming on. we appreciate it. >> thanks a lot joy. now joining my phone is our legal analyst, cynthia. there is so much that's odd about the kavanaugh investigation, the implications and the new york times story that even fbi agents themselves seem to want to continue to investigate, they didn't call 25 people whom miss ramirez were willing to give them. none of that is investigated and rushing to get them on the
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court. what dow make of all of this? >> the white house determines the parameters that the investigation and did not allow the fbi to do it. i am not sure in this case it is fair to go after the fbi because i think they were told what they could and could not do in terms of the investigation. i think the question is why did this happen? why didn't this investigation happen? i think we know the answer to that. the answer is the white house didn't want it to happen? and the republicans didn't want it to happen. they wanted to rush it through and remember it adds to the outrage is that what grassley say at the confirmation hearing, there is no evidence to support these people. you know why there is no evidence because they sqeulch the investigation. they're hiding public privilege of what tell us in the report. these witnesses need to be
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interviewed and determine why the department of justice is giving one of highest awards in the department of justice usually reserved for people, my friend may he rest in peace got his award for the rodney king prosecution. those awards go to people who uncovered misused in mental health facilities. the highest award of the department of justice, it is about to be given to people who they claimed they were covering up sexually assaults. it is outrageous if that's what's going on right now. we need an investigation. >> and beyond that, there is so much. among the issues that were on, brett kavanaugh, when he was nominated for a lifetime. were these issues of sexual misconduct were more, or even heard about. that sounds familiar to the
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coll terence collins situation. i'm siting here looking at "the washington post" story in 2018. mr. kavanaugh encouraged tens of thousands of dollars buying baseball tickets over the past decades or at times reported liability that could exceeded his assets, his financial disclosure and the credit card debts and other debts reported to be between $60,000 and $200,000 accrued over three credit cards and a loan which then were paid off for fell below the reporting requirements in 2017th. in a short order a. do you believe that there is any corruption involved in the placing and pushing of mr. kavanaugh onto the supreme court? >> well, i believe he was not qualified because of the not
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only when he had a drinking problem when he was younger which led to these sexually assaults. i didn't think he was qualified because i thought he does not have the temperament based on his behavior in the hearing. i disagreed with him about you know he's fundamentally and here is something that goes by the arc of is life, he's sort of a bully for people on the wrong side of the track. the women he abused were women he got drunk he thought he could take advantage of because they were not as big and powerful as he was. and then if you read his opinions, particularly this one about the little girl in texas who needed an abortion, there is a disdain in his writing voice for people who are less affluent
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and really lucky in life as he has been. and that's why i thought he was not qualified. i don't know about the baseball ticket. i was overwhelmingly convinced that he did not belong as a justice of the supreme court. he's obviously a brilliant guy. no one had a god giving right to sit on the supreme court. i could not believe that we can't find somebody better than this. the panel here. this is somebody who was placed on the court by the smallest margin in the u.s. history even questioned by it. he only got on by 50-48. lisa murkowski, the alaska senator voted. she did not voted for him. she would have voted no but as a courtesy to another senator, lisa murkowski voted present. he didn't get 51 votes which was
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odd. the one extra you are supposed to get and yes, he's on court for life. it is absolutely the way that donald trump wants all the time which could lead us to why the republicans were so desperate to get him there with subpoenas, and subpoenas of whether they needed to be listened to and whether donald trump has to follow the rule of law. >> that is a flashback to all of the disgusting things that i thought about brett kavanaugh last year. the technical things, the mysterious debt, and we have no idea where it went. i don't know anybody who spends that much money on nationals' tickets. that makes no sense to me. and then thousands of the legal documents that the administration would not turn forward and then the accusations of a sexual assault i have never heard of one sexual assaulter, and i know that he is the fifth guy in the gang rape and comes in after he is drunk and he can
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get away with it, and covered pretty much the entire time, and now he can move that same despicable misogynist attitude that is only matched by that of the president of the united states. and so out of all of the people in the country, they consistently find the men who abuse and assault women, and this is not the first, but it is a nest of vipers who have inf t infested this entire state. i am not surprised that we found it out about brett kavanaugh, but i am equally disgusted that we don't have a speak of the house who will go after the president for this behavior, i doubt she will go after brett kavanaugh. >> and this is kamala harris. brett kavanaugh lie nd to the senate and the american people. he was put through a sham process and his placement is an insult to the pursuit of truth and justice and he must be
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impeached. >> we sit here, tiffany cross with 2 of 5 conservative members of the court, and i am not a math person, but 2 of 5 have been accused of gross sexual misconduct, and two of the five conservatives and pushed on to the court mostly by men, privileged men, white men, who now can do the bidding of corporations of people who want to take women's rights of their own bodies away from them, and can rule against the voting rights, and they have incredible power over the rest of us. what do you make of that situation? >> who can do the bidding and are doing the bidding. there is a sense of the false hope and man, if we knew about this accuser in the confirmation hearing, what do you they would have happened? >> yes. >> and susan collins had the dramatic floor speech written day that he was nominated and i think that maybe she likes the attention, because we knew what she would do. and when kamala harris was
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interviewing him, she asked if he has talked about the trump case, and he was puzzled, so i know a liar when i see him, and somebody give me the audacity of the mediocre white man. if you can sit there before the committee and behave in a indignant way, that is, my friends, white privilege and no way that any person of color could have sat and screamed of how me and opie and tommy were great friends drinking the beer, but yet, it is a dangerous time for the white men out there, and they are the real victims of all of this, and so donald trump likes to attack the squads, their squad is filled with the wife beaters, and accused pedophiles, and everything. >> yes. >> it is a strange situation that we are looking at and not just the supreme court, but the d.o.j. >> and when we come back, and we want to take a quick break and i
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want to dig into the doj part of it, because the person in the fulcrum of making sure that the people's privileges are protected seems to be one guy, william barr. we will talk about that when we come back from break. award winning interface. ♪ ♪ award winning design. ♪ ♪ award winning engine. ♪ ♪ the volvo xc90. our most awarded luxury suv. ♪ ♪
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going to take the entire two hours and this is a first to come to me early and just for, that i want you the stick around and do a little bit of the o.t., and we will talk with you in three or four minute, because i have a lot of questions to ask you. it is a big news day and you did a great job. good morning to all of you from our headquarters here in new york, and a couple of minutes shy of high noon. welcome to weekends with alex witt. joe biden is trying to speak out on the issue of race. >> relegated racism and white supremacy to the pages of history. hate only hides and it does not go away, and doing the right thing does not tarnish over time. united or divided the cost of democratic candidates clashing over ideology. >> we have different views on policy, but i still believe that what unites us is stronger. >> we need to unify the country.
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>> this is going to be a scrimmage right now going on within the team. >> after the white house, new comments from eric holder on whether donald trump should have faced charges when he leaves office. >> but the former vice president is wrapping up what his campaign dubbed a major speech on race, and it comes on this, the anniversary of the 16th street baptist church bombings in birmingham, alabama, and those bombings claimed the lives of four girls in 1963. this is what some of biden said a short time ago. >> for so many, the family members here today, this is not a symbolic loss that transfixed the world and transpired the whole nation. it is personal. and even 56 years later, it is tragic.
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they shared the american dream without seeing the events in charlottesville when i saw those tortures and heard the chants and saw the hate, i knew like all of you though i hoped it would never happen again, and i knew like all of you that hate was on the march. i knew it was again a defining moment for me and for all of us and that our silence would be complicit. hate is on the rise again, and we are at a defining moment again in american history. who are we? we need to begin the battle for the soul of america. those of us who are white try, but we cannot fully understand no matter how hard we try. we are almost, almost


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