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them back. this isn't a solution to the problem. they are just leaving this emei the desert hoping they will go away and they're not. >> i apologize this is a shorter segment than i wanted to do. >> lot to talk about. >> trump administration does that to me most days and most sundays. thank you. be sure to catch richard's outstanding special. it's on sunday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. if it's sunday, it's meet the press on nbc. here we go, iran and the whist whistleblower. the beat with ari melber. >> we begin on this friday night with breaking news. donald trump busted on on his claim that he would take foreign help in 2020. it's a friday night but it is a trump white house kind of friday night and they are under fire from all sides for this
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whistleblower complaint that's sm snowballed into complaints of illegal activity. the latest break in this story comes from the wall street journal flushing out details from the call that appears to be at the center of that recorded whist whistleblower complaint the trump administration has been trying to hide. this is about reports the president made an illegal request that a foreign leader go after joe biden. before we go any further, i want to tell you that alone is a bombshell. we're talking about credible reports that a sitting president potentially abused his powers as commander in chief to get help to go after one of his top rivals in this very next election. that's not all tonight. the journal reporting trump didn't just mention this in passing or in way that might be explained but rather pressed the ukraine president eight times for help to go after biden and designated a specific aide to execute this international plot.
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his criminal defense lawyer, rudy giuliani. that's the president demanding a foreign leader help him with his re-election. that's textbook collusion. the new reporting provides new context to a donald trump admission that now may look a little different. it may have been advanced damage control because this all happened within weeks of trump declaring he would take foreign dirt in 2020. >> i think you might want to listen. there's nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent. oh, i think i'd want to hear it. >> you'd want that kind of interference in our election? >> it's not interference. >> the administration has gone to great lengths to hide a still basically mysterious whistleblower complaint. they have blown through the deadlines in federal law and another out justice of the peace let has
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-- out let that a new story. white house council engaging in the matter since shortly after the whistleblower action first surfaced. that means the white house and not just bill barr's doj is basic tiactively working to kee congress from what it's supposed to get under the law which is the detail offenils of this com. donald trump refused most questions about whether he asked the ukraine president for help in this plot. >> did you discuss joe biden, his son or his family? >> it doesn't matter what i discussed. i will say this, somebody ought to look into joe biden's statement. >> i don't want to talk nabout any other conversation other than to say great conversation. totally appropriate conversation. couldn't have been better. >> when the president says that it doesn't matter, whether he discussed going after one of his rivals in a kind of a clumsy international watergate, you get
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two things out of that. number one, you get his view that he says it doesn't matter. a lot of people disagree with that including federal law. you get a second thing out of that which is the obvious lack of any denial. there is a lot we don't know about this whistleblower complaint. we have been emphasizing that throughout the week. we don't have it in our newsroom, congress doesn't have it. one way to clear up would be to follow the law and give congress the required information about the whistleblower information. they won't which is itself a tell. you have rudy giuliani reemerging and all you can say when you run out of words is well it was classic rudy. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. i didn't. i asked the ukraine to investigate the allegation there was interference in the election of 2016 by the ukrainians for the benefit of hillary clinton for which there rr is -- >> you never asked anything
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about hunter biden or joe biden? >> the only thing i asked about joe biden is to get to the bottom of how they dismissed the case against. >> you did asking you crane to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> i didn't. i said look into matters that related joe biden in a massive bribe write scheme -- bribery scheme. >> this is in your purview and your committee. your response. >> this is getting to be absolutely horrendous. we have a president of the yi united states of america. we've been urging the ukraine to clean up its act and he's going to the newly elected president of ukraine asking him to basic conspire with him to get
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involved in the next 2020 election. if that does not reach out to people to say that this guy can no longer be or should no longer be the president of the united states because it is now making a joke of our institutions. i'm saying it's time for my republican colleagues to step up. stop making excuses for this guy that's now in the white house white house. >> in the washington post and wall street journal reporting is correct, is this a separate impeachable abuse of power? >> that i think they are lining up several. i think there will be several more. as folks are focused on the judiciary committee, remember the ways and means committee, the frauds affairs committee, which i sit on, the financial services committee, which i sit on are still doing investigations. it's going to be even more that
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will come out. it's going to compel, at some point, it should, compel our republican colleagues as it did back in the nixon time to say enough is enough. if not their seats will be in jeopardy in 2020 also. >> i'm not as optimistic about relying on the decency or patriotism of the republican party. they have shown none so far and i don't see why if colluding with russia wasn't enough to make them speak out, why colluding with ukraine would be. i do think that there needs to be a much stronger response from the democratic party. there is so much fury out there. i'm livid about this that nancy pelosi's refusal to take a strong stand on impeachment has sent a message to this president that he has impunity. it's okay if he asks foreign sources to help him with the
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election. i know there are risks in pursuing impeachment with 2020 coming up but the idea that an election is going to fix this problem when we see the president cheating in that election right now, it's just not going to work. there's no way around this. >> you know this impeachment thing can be done without wiping out everything you do in the 2020 election. the house could have proceedings, have articles of impeachment and vote to make this only the third president in american history to be impeached. this needs to get on the record. >> do you think your former colleagues, too many of them like speaker pelosi are on the wrong side of this? >> not wrong. i think they need to come to the conclusion this can be done low key. they can do this in next couple movant of months. >> michelle is making a subtle point that by allowing them to get away with what they have gotten away with today, you're
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provoking and inviting these further abuses because you're dealing with people who can go as far away as they can get away with. >> take a look at aoc, alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> i think it's about the erosion of the rule of law. there's a lot of corruption. there's a lot of law breaking but now when we're talking about bringing in foreign governments to undermine our own, that is an extraordinarily serious, serious allegation. >> not only is it an attack on the rule of law in our democracy but it distracts us from everything else. one of the biggest rallies in human history for the environment is going on in battery park, all around the world. people realize the climate change issue and the challenge to bio diversity, the extinction crisis needs our attention. we have this incredibly irresponsible person in the white house who doesn't care about the law, who doesn't care
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about anybody else. somehow our system of government has got to make the statement, put nit the historical record, if nothing else, that all these things he's done are wrong. >> we have more on the climate protest with a leader on that issue later tonight in the show. i don't know if you know who i'm talking about. >> it's a distraction. >> we're coffvering that. when you look at stakes and what it means with your colleague saying they've literally never had any other president blow through and break the deadline to turn over krecredible complaints. we're not talking about an allegation we have seen the details. we are talk about something that the trump administration's own intelligence agencies deemed credible. somewhere in america, somewhere
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this person is sitting there. this whistle blower wondering what retaliation they will face in this environment. take a look at what your colleague said on rachel maddow last night. >> i want to say to the whistleblower, you tonight, that we are grateful for their courage in coming forward. we're going to do everything we can to make sure this urgent issue is addressed and you are protected. >> are they protected if their issue and intel doesn't goat the congress as it's supposed to? >> the inspector general, it's unprecedented what's happening in the united states congress. their refusal to participate, to submit subpoenas and to testify, there's no question about that, which is why i think, speaker pelosi is singularly focused -- she wants him in jail where he
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belongs. if you look at all the things he's done, it's almost as if it was any other american rngs t, would be in jail. she's focused singularly because the truth of the matter is, i agree. i understand the significance and the importance of maybe putting a star next to his name but we could vote tomorrow. we will vote. if it came up, the members of the house overwhelmingly would vote to impeach but he still would be sitting in office. he would still be damaging this country. the one thing that that -- this could be something that will be a star on us as a nation for decades, if not for longer. the example and the only example to show that we are standing up for the rule of law is to ultimately for the man sitting in the white house to end up in jail. >> michelle, i want to ask you about the facts here because
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there's a cynicism to the white house. we saw it in the clip played earlier, nothing matters. if they were so confident they might have turned this over to congress already and said fake news. clearly, there's something scarier there. reading from the new york times, your paper, intelligence community watchdog not some disgruntled denizen of the deep state was alarmed enough to inform congress. the administration is keeping the complaint from becoming known even from each other in the white house. what does that tell you about the enduring power of potential facts here? >> well, look, i think the fact that this president has never gotten much above 40% despite having a good economy for most of his presidency very few kind of national crises, he has been damaged by the outrageous things
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he's done. the structural problems, they're the structural features in our government means the fact a majority of the country wants him gone isn't enough to get rid of him and not enough to ensure he's not re-elected. that said, i think there's a combination of secretiveness and they refuse to release all kinds of information and part of that might be fear but part of that is imperiousness. they don't think they should have to release any sort of information. you see this combination of -- you see the secretiveness but there's a part that's all out in the open. it's not been a secret that rudy giuliani has been in the ukraine urging this investigation into what are completely bogus and debunk charges. i think that needs to be emphasized about joe biden's son or the investigation of joe biden's son. they kind of flouted and they do it in the open as if to say it can't be that wrong if we're doing it in the open. it can't be that wrong if i shot someone on fifth avenue. one of the things so interesting
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is the reason this has exploded into a huge scandal is because there was this secretiveness. the uncovering of it is what makes it suddenly is what has woken people up to the depth of this corruption. >> i want to say something about this whistleblower too. many of us remember the illegal wiretapping under president bush. it was because of the courage of a whistleblower that we found out this whole practice was occurring. yo yeah they did try to prosecute him but it didn't work. i want to say thank you for standing up for this country. >> i think that's powerful coming do you and people that remember the impeachment history. you were one of the few senators that advocated for the impeachment of george w. bush. >> i advocated censure. >> didn't you introduce the resolution? >> i introduced the censure
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resoluti resolution. >> even that was too much for them. >> i only got two sponsors. >> congressman meeks will say pelosi wants him in jail. some of them are taking heat for not going far enough right now. you lived different version of that in a different time. can you give us real talk about why democratic leadership doesn't seem to go as hard as fast as strong on these issues or as for as the republicans who many perceive to come out more aggressive. >> there's a time and place for impeachment. i think it would have been appropriate to impeach him but not wise. this president is different. this president is gutting our country. people have given their lives and he didn't give a wit on constitution. >> i'm asking why they don't go that far. >> they are looking about the
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political situation. they want to make sure they have control of the government to take care of the issues and deal with issues like immigration and climate change. this has to be on the record. i might add you can even impeach president trump after he loses next year. it can be done at a number of times. >> i got to fit in a break. my special thanks to congressman meeks and michelle goldburg. i'm going tyake a also, the fall back friday you've been waiting for. later tonight chelsea handler and halle jackson team up for the first time when we come back. the show is back in 30 seconds. back thshe ow is back in 30 seconds memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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legal term of art, conspiracy. donald trump's own appointed inspector general calls this an urgent concern and differs with the intel chief who has been with holding it from congress. a decision he came to as this unfolded with guidance from bill barr's justice department. there's a letter to the intel committee that says there's a respectful disagreement because the matter deals with dni's significant and important responsibilities and the acting intelligence chief has to with hold information and that may be about a gap in the law. some legal experts say that the person in charge of the intel agency is actually breaking the law by withholie inwithholding information. we turn to all things legal on this story, john flannery. good to have you on tonight. >> it's good to be here. there's a chapter unto itself
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historically. >> when you get into this, what does it mean that they have blown through the legal deadlines? does that mean that the intel agencies here are in violation of the law and what happens next? >> well, the director of national intelligence, he's the one who violated the law. it's four steps. one, there's an urgent concern the subject of a complaint. two, the jury preseinspector ge decides if it's krecredible. three he passes it along. four congress gets it and acts upon it. yes, he is absolutely had no discretion as the director to with hold this information from the house or the senate. in fact, he's directed to send it to both and he didn't do so and he gave the heads up to the white house and the heads up to the justice department to find a
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way to not disclose that the president of the united states was cutting a deal with a foreign nation state who happens to have a comic as a leader so he would, for money, create a situation investigating the president's primary opponent who is favorable now. he might not have him in the general election. >> if any federal official in the united states pursued this plot on their own, would they be potentially violating the law? >> no. i'll tell you why. number one, we have to lose this notion that the office of legal counsel and justice has to protect the president saying no sitting president can be indicted. i can't think of a better case to argue against the notion that a president shouldn't be disturbed because he may not do as well in office. this guy is the poster child for the worst president in american history. that rationale makes no sense. article two says there's two ways to deal with the president. one is removal and the other is by indictment and they are
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separate and don't have anything to do with each other. he could be indicted and so could rudy giuliani. >> what if the defense department decided they wanted to do this. is there anything illegal as one of the newspapers trying to extort a foreign leader to help win a domestic campaign? >> well, if i offer you money, say if i give you whatever millions of dollars and you started an investigation on the guy who is target in my election, first of all, the investigation is not reliable. you're doing it for the money. we have all sorts of anti-bribery statutes. i don't know where he is getting the money but i suppose it's the same he's getting it for the wall sh is illegal. there's more complexity to his crimes by his impulse by the fact nobody does anything to stop him that can be found in the constitution or found in the laws. >> you have a situation where obviously people around him are trying to protect him.
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they say this looks bad so we're not going to fork this over. it's not as if donald trump is an expert on the inspector general federal requirements. other people say this looks bad and he learns more about it. maybe learns more about as it spills out into the press. this is so new i doubt viewers have heard about it. this goes to the heart of the beginning of the mueller probe. the new york times has a document that's the original memo written by the person who took over from james comey running the fbi. andrew mccabe. he details what was a secret, high stakes conversation with the person who was then in charge of the russia probe deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. this is all about how mueller probe began. according to the material, rosenstein told mccabe he had a full plan in place for appointing mueller and what to do if trump fired him for doing it writing quote, he anticipated he may be terminated in light of
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trump's anger with attorney general sessions over his own resue cr recusal and he said he heard trump say you were supposed to protect me. this is very hot stuff. it's a testament to the way our government works amidst crisis that this stuff was documented at the time. it didn't breleak during the pr and it's now out with some required redactions. i would note they are pretty minimal. what do you take from this new memo? >> i have a prejudice about rosenstein because he seems to have an identity crisis throughout this investigation particularly at the end of it. on its face it sounds like he's warning him you could be fired and is that too chill his prosecution or was a presidential memo that led to him closing down the investigation by my idea early at waters edge of prosecuting trump or his family or his finances. >> let me build on your premise
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and ask you the final question. we know there were three rod rosensteins. there was the first who helped trump fire comey. there was the second who said firing comey was so bad we need bob mueller to come in and handle an independent investigation and then there was a third rod rosenstein who assured trump i can land the plane without you getting hurt too much. at least three. what are we to take from it at the end of the day? i ask you our bow tied expert. >> my most charitable interpretation is he's a malleable fellow. >> is that why he stayed in office as long as he did? >> they live long in public department and the justice department creates chameleons all the time to do all kinds of things. always been a viper's nest. i was so grateful i was in the southern district of new york.
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rudy giuliani went down there as a bobby kennedy democrat. he came back as a cro magnet man. >> every one has learned the differences and know now how new york southern district rolls. i think the house judiciary committee has got to bring rod and these folks in for public testimony because we're back in the heart of what went down. donald trump thinks he won. he can get away with it. he bullied mr. rosenstein at times. we got to learn the full rest of the story. >> i have a few seconds, if they invite the inspector general to arrange to have the source come talk to them, it would seem to me it would be a remedy for violating the statute. it says for if any reason the complaint does not go to the committee then the complaintant may arrange through the inspector general an appearance.
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that might be most efficient legal way to navigate this buried in 50 usc down in the guts. >> that's great point about the details that could remedy a trumpian attack on its clear requirements. i love learning from you. thanks for being here. >> thank you. up ahead, rudy giuliani lets the cat out of the bag again. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. actually, i didn't. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> no, of course. it's rudy time. we're going into a strategy or scandal. these pictures are stunning. this is what it looks like when the whole world protests. we're going to sgeget into that later. comedian chelsea handler is here with halle jackson. you don't want to miss that pairing. u don't want to miss th pairing. announcer: it's just as powerful as the lexus rx...
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was dismissed. >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> you just said you didn't. >> can't make it up. this isn't the first time he's made accusations on live tv. >> something to do with paying some stormi daniels woman. it was perfectly legal. the president repaid it. >> i didn't know. there's no campaign finance law. >> zero. >> he also made news about how long donald trump was in negotiations for the trump tower moscow deal and later tried to walk that back as well. to get into this we have the perfect guest, former fbi special agent josh campbell. he's the author of a new book crossfire hurricane and he served add the most senior levels under james comey throughout a whole lot of stuff. that's the technical term.
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>> that's right. >> you were with him up until the day he was fired. >> that's right. >> what the heck is rudy giuliani doing in your expert view? >> as i listen to him that clip, spinning in circles i can't help but look back at this campaign attack that under way saying they were making things up in russia investigation. there was no collusion and here we are in 2019 preparing for another election and he's admitting admit ing on national television they are asking a foreign government to investigate a political opponent. look at the criticism and ask was that warranted when they were doing the same thing they were accused of in the past. i as look at rudy giuliani, it's easier to say he's a former statesmen who turned into a caricature if you look back at his handling, his job was to inoculate the president to get things out there to take away the shock factor. i suspect that may be at play here.
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i don't think he was necessarily going on chris cuomo to make news this week but i think that will be the effect. to get it out there -- sg you're of the view it's clumsy and sloppy but it has a purpose which is if it's going to be bad let it look bad on rudy. >> he will run interference for the president. it's a pattern we have seen. >> you were there during this investigation of these trump-russia links and collusion. you were there through all of that. >> right. >> some of it you can talk about, some you can't. i don't know if you remember christopher wallace, the notorious b.i.g. it seems like mo collusion, mo problems. why do you think these people would go back towards foreign help when it caused so many problems for donald trump? he himself hated the way you and your team was investigating him.
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the way that the russia probe unfolded. why tee things up for a potential ukraine probe? >> i think they will do whatever it takes to win. just looking at what is at stake here. we talked about the president's potential legal jeopardy as it relates to the southern district of new york and potential charges that come if he levers office. he has to win. if he loses his freedom might be on the line. i think what we're doing to see -- >> you're saying he has the mind set of a criminal trying to avoid the next cop. >> i'm not saying he's a criminal. i'm saying if he thinks there's charging to come and he can run out the clock beyond the statute of limitations -- >> that sowunds like a criminal. >> i'm not saying that. >> you're saying his mind set is i have to do this so i don't end up in jail? >> potentially or have to go through that with fighting these cha charges. he said in the oval office he would accept information from a
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foreign government which was shocking. now we're seeing them make good on that promise and ask a foreign government to try to investigate a political opponent. >> i love chopping it up with you. why doesn't james comey ever admit any mistakes? >> i think he has in the sense his language he used with hillary clinton. i criticize him in the book for that very thing. i know he's an honorable person. certain actions to include the language about hillary clinton, i criticize him. he says he would have used different language in is someone who has a history of jumping on political grenades that were not meant for him. that's the person i know. people will debate about how it impacted the election and rightly so. that's the person i know and especially this is so interesting for me. he gets criticized for being pious but our leaders lie to us every day with reckless abandon. maybe a little piety isn't a bad thing. >> i don't completely agree with your last answer but i'm glad to
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there's a lot of different news on this friday night. we want to turn to two updates to show how facts and original reporting with matter. last month the beat and a lot of other news outlets were reporting on this plan by the trump administration to deport immigrants with life threatening illnesses who were just here in the u.s. getting treatment. >> how could you tell families like this to pick up and leave and issue your child a death sentence. >> it was scarier than having a surgery and it was very
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surprising and i was bewildered. >> for someone to stay here it keeps his life. him leaving the country he wouldn't have the specialized treatment he has right now that's he's currently having in the health treatment he's having here right now. >> chris jansen interviewing them and how the truck amp administration backing down. that's one thing you need to know. mcconnell caving to pressure announcing he will back a quarter billion dollar increase in funding for election security. this is after a lot of original reporting on how he was blocking any plans even bipartisan ones. he got nicknamed moscow mitch. that became part of the story and appeared in news reports over 1,000 times since july. the type of political measure pressure that may have influenced him. we turn to millions of
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worldwide set of protests. it comes as president trump has slashed to roll back 85 different environmental regulations. i want to bring in my next guest. former wisconsin u.s. senator who is working as an ambassador for the campaign for nature. thanks for being here. >> good to be here. >> at the top of the show we're talking about all that stuff caused by, according to his critics, president trump. now we're talking about something that pre-dates him and will outlast him. what should be done? >> it's moving to see these protests and these people in battery park and around the wor world. it's almost exactly 50 years since the first earth day. it was invented by a former senator bgaylord nelson. this seems to be equal to it, maybe more. here you have little kids. it's so moving to watch them
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realizing what's being done to them. this crisis of climate change is being addressed by mass action and we have to address, which is what the campaign is about is the biodiversity. a million species will go extent. it's both very important and they are interrelated. they affect each other. we have to act on a mass level. there's a extinction movement across the world that is take on the extinction. >> you mention kids. let's take a look at one of these kids. >> this is an merge. our hearts are on fire. why should we struggle for a future that's being taken away for us. >> what do you think is the most important thing people can do if they feel inspired by these kids? >> this young lady is calling on people to go to their town halls
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it's time now for a special edition of "fallback." joining me is actress, author and activist you know her chelsea handler and she's interviewed all kinds of people from riana and drake to cory booker and adam schiff. her latest project on netflix is a documentary called "hello privilege it's me, chelsea." we're also joined by hallie jackson, you know her for her stand out reporting for the ted cruz and donald trump campaigns across 2016. she of course hosted her own show right here on msnbc weekdays at 10:00 a.m. eastern. so great to have you both here. >> i'm so happy to be here with my msnbc family.
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>> i love it. who needs to fall back? >> there's this new survey out that says a ton of people, half of people cry at work and have cried at work. and 40% of cfos said that's okay to cry at work. we have stressful jobs, i think it's totally appropriate to go into the bathroom, have a good sob and move on with your life. >> and let me take it from chelsea, crying is as natural as laughing and yet it is often more punished. >> wow, that is true. yes, i used to be vehemently opposed to crying in the workplace, for all the wrong reasons, though. because i didn't have enough empathy or sympathy. so when girls would get emotional at work i would say you can -- i understand people need to cry.
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>> in a private space, go into your office and shut your door. >> let's have a little empathy for the people having issues or stress and get it out a little. >> and wasn't it jay-z who said i never cry, if i did i'd cry ice and that's not healthy. >> if there's ever a quote to be had you would know about it in the rap community. i am a fan of rap, i appreciate it. it's real, authentic. i like anything that's a real authentic vibe. >> would you say it's a key part of how you role? >> no, i would not say that but i think you would say that. >> you're being interviewed here. this isn't your late night show. she does a lot of the flipping. what's on your fall back list. >> my fall back list is the
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pumpkin spice latte i think from starbucks. i want them to take it down a notch. >> i feel when you talk about authenticity, let people love what they love. if they want to love pumpkin spice spam -- >> then there are reports of spam flavored like pumpkin, too far? >> yeah, i would say that's too far, ari. i don't need my spam smelling or flavored like pumpkin. >> have you tried it? >> i know i walked into a starbucks during the season and it's a very powerful scent, pumpkin. to extend it in the way they've done -- >> can i share something personal on my beverage list? i'm really into the ginger bread latte. i think it is under-appreciated in the holiday season. it has a real sweet kind of nutty after notes and i like it more than pumpkin spice. >> do you think that also falls
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under the basic beverage category sph. >> i have never subvibscribed t the idea that your tastes whatever they be make you more or less interesting. in fact, it's a founding principle of hipsters which i'm against that your own aesthetic tastes make you more interesting. because you like a band that's lesser known, that makes you cooler. i love the ginger bread latte. >> and you know what's cool. >> you're the one laughing. i like to point my finger at my audience, no, only here with you, ari. >> so i have nothing to add to this conversation except i'm really enjoying the play back between the two of you. i felt this was fun. >> before we lose halle, what do
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you want to learn from her? >> every morning in my gym i watch you and i'm glad to finally meet you. >> now who's crying? >> no one. >> no one yet but it would be okay. >> well then do you want to cry? >> i can't cry on demand, it's got to build within me. >> can you? >> i can't cry on demand but it wouldn't be hard to make me. >> we've all shed a tear, a good tear, a happy tear. >> my old friend hallie jackson and my new friend chelsea handler, thank you for coming on fall back. let me say chelsea's new documentary is called hello privilege, it's my chelsea. out on netflix and tackles some
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big political issues including white privilege. so you can check that out. that does it for us. we'll be back here 6:00 p.m. eastern on monday but don't go anywhere. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. red-handed. let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. we're getting major breaking news tonight from multiple sources about the president's alarming conversation with a foreign leader that prompted an urgent whistle-blower's complaint. "the washington post" tonight has revealed crucial new information, that, quote, president trump pressed the leader of ukraine to investigate the son of former vice president joe biden in a call between the two leaders. that's according to two people familiar with the matter who say that trump used the july 25th conversation wit


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