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she's still there. i still feel her with me. i dream about her a lot. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. the first time we're hearing what to expect from a key figure. new details. a timeline. a vote could be taken today. reaction ahead. escalating drama. day five of the military action in syria and new video shows some of the worst fears could be coming true. live reports ahead. comic relief. snl's star studded takes on a recent democrat's town hall. that's ahead.
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new this morning, today marks day 20 of the impeachment inquiry into president trump. we're one day away from the start of another busy week of depositions and deadlines where democrats investigative efforts. at the center of everything is what's expected to be explosive testimony from trump's former top aide on russia and europe fiona hill. u.s. ambassador to the eu gordon sondland. a person with knowledge of sondland's testimony tells nbc that he will tell congress he did not know why the u.s. military assistance to ukraine was held up nor who ordered it. sondland will say that he relied on the president's assurances in good faith and passed these along when he tested bill taylor that there was no quid pro quo with ukraine. and if all this is about to unfold, representative ted -- nbc the latest look at the timeline moving forward for democrats.
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>> if we're to proceed with impeachment i believe it has to be done before the end of the year. we would love to fill in additional blanks. there's enough to draft at least one article of impeachment, the ukraine scandal is enough to draft one on obstruction. we're not going to keep on investigating forever. meanwhile, according to "the new york times," president trump had lunch yesterday at his virginia golf course with rudy giuliani amid reports that his personal lawyer was being investigated for possible lobbying. the president reaffirming his support last knight on fox news. >> i just don't know if there is an investigation. i just heard it. >> "the new york times" is reporting -- >> i find a lot of things that you hear, they should look at other people. they should be looking at really bad people doing really bad things to our country. so no, i stand behind rudy giuliani, absolutely. again, he was a crime fighter from day one.
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>> nbc's hans nichols is at the white house with more this morning. hans, good morning. the president attempting to tamp down questions about giuliani's standing with him. >> we had this lunch yesterday afternoon at the president's golf club. then the president called in to judge carreno's show late last night. that's where you heard the quote that the judge is referencing that he doesn't know much about this investigation. he's standing by his guy. that follows a tweet on saturday morning where the said that rudy may be rough around the edges but he's a great guy. the president trying to signal that rudy is back in the president's graces. now, you also have the president out and about. not only did he start to talk about impeachment, potential stain on his presidency talking about how it's a horrible word. he went on the offense.
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listen to what he said about adam schiff. >> now it is the outrageous impeachment. look, impeachment, i never thought i'd see or hear that word with regard to me, impeachment. i said the other day, it's an ugly word. to me it's an ugly word. very ugly word. it means so much. it means horrible, horrible crimes and things. for those of you things -- you know she said no, no, no. we need -- i said she wants to have it carried closer to election. she's going to do it. not a good person. i think she hates our country. we're going after these people. these are bad, bad people. >> now, the president did speak for more than an hour. i think it was an hour and 18 minutes on my clock. really a version of what we've had at the last two campaign rallies. we've had that in louisiana on
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friday night, minnesota earlier in the week. what was different this time, you could see there the presidential seal in front of the president and yet the president really going after his opponents and giving us his strategic version of why impeachment is basically not possible with him because he thinks he's doing such a good job and you heard him lace into his political opponents there. >> hans nichols in washington, thank you. daniel lit man covering the white house from politico and john -- political reporter with business insider. president trump is -- it comes after three people familiar with the conversations tell politico that prominent republican advisers have been privately telling the president to sideline his personal lawyer. daniel, are there competing voices behind the scenes here and where is president trump on this? >> president trump earlier this week seemed to distance himself
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from rudy giuliani and so clearly, there are people around him who think he's not a net benefit. that rudy giuliani, if it was not for these conspiracy theories that he has been pumping into trump's head about ukraine and joe and hunter biden there would not be a mess and he would not be getting impeached and the mueller scandal was not enough to drive him into impeachment. now that rudy giuliani is kind of getting up there in age and people think that he's lost his step, he is kind of freelancing as a foreign policy person when clearly, none of those theories have borne fact and only left trouble for the president. >> meanwhile, secretary of state mike pompeo was pressed by -- >> in mid-february you were in warsaw and so was rudy giuliani. during your time there, did you meet with giuliani?
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>> you know, i don't talk about who i meet with. i went to warsaw for a particular purpose. >> you're not going to say who you met with? >> i had a singular focus. it was singularly on the work we have done. >> you're not going to say? >> when i was in warsaw, we were working diligently to accomplish the mission. >> john, it might not have even had to do with ukraine. but why is pompeo so reluctant to say if he met with giuliani? >> pompeo has been a little tentative from the start as this impeachment inquiry has gained steam and to add to what daniel just said, this could be more of a sign that a lot of top officials in the white house are trying to distance the administration from giuliani and his tendency to say the quiet part out loud and to get the administration into hot water. so yeah, i can't read pompeo's mind here, but there are growing
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signs that top officials in the ad martian want to distance themselves as the inquiry heats up. >> daniel, you haired earlier that there's enough evidence to draft at least one article of impeachment on the ukraine call and at least one on obstruction. are the democratic colleagues on the same page? >> i think in some ways, other democratic members of congress, they want to get more evidence, they want to increase the public support for impeachment. they may not totally agree with ted. there are many democrats on the same page and say that they'll do their best to get as much evidence as possible. they don't want to be in court fights for many months to try to get internal white house evidence and more state department emails. they feel like they have enough. so they're always looking at the pros and cons of going into
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relevance versus let's get it done and by the iowa caucuses next year they can try to move on to new topics of conversation. because most swing voters, they're -- they don't want a 2020 to be dominated by impeachment. >> right. john, ten democrats expedite the impeachment inquiry without making it look political? >> it's a tough question. to add to what daniel said, a lot of this is about keeping it in the news. i think the memory of the mueller investigation and the fact that they really struggled to garner support for impeachment amid that and it took months, you know, two years to complete as opposed to this rapid moving ukraine scandal and the related impeachment inquiry and public sentiment is very important to them and we've seen a shift in public sentiment towards supporting impeachment even in the past few weeks as the ukraine scandal ramped up,
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so ahead of an election year, i think they're trying to make sure that they keep attention on this before there's too much attention on the democratic primary contest. >> daniel, looking forward to this week's hearings with fiona hill and gordon sondland, how crucial do you expect their testimony to be for democrats' investigation? >> i think sondland's testimony especially will be very important because he was trump's guy. he through a couple limited liability companies he controls, he donated more than a million dollars to trump's inauguration after opposed him a little bit through the primaries. so that gave him that sweet spot in brussels as a u.s. ambassador to the eu. what's interesting is that ukraine doesn't fall into the eu. one could wonder why he was working on those issues in the first place. he could say while i was only
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relying on president trump's word that this was not a quid pro quo, i don't know that independently, that indicates he's distancing himself from president trump and so that's good news for democrats who want to get the ungarnished truth from sondland. i wonder whether he will still testify given the fact that the testimony is pretty damaging if i was a -- i would think about trying to block that. >> to your point, there are two critical points here, one being sondland called trump before responding to taylor's text and that was about five hours later saying there was no quid pro quo. second, the individual with knowledge of his upcoming testimony saying sondland didn't -- sondland had no independent knowledge about whether or not there was quid pro quo. john, real quick, how does this testimony bode for the president? >> i think that this really ties
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to the quid pro quo question, which is one of the biggest questions in the air about all of this. i mean, when it comes to the request for an investigation into biden, we have clear evidence. a white house memo and the whistle-blower complaint. one of the questions in the air is whether or not this military aid roughly $400 million in military aid to ukraine was held up as a quid pro quo for an investigation and for a meeting between trump and zelensky. i think democrats will be paying attention to this to see if there's potential abuse of power from trump. >> thank you both so much for your time this sunday morning. great to have you here. >> thanks. >> thank you. the standoff over the impeachment inquiry has triggered a constitutional crisis? we'll take a look. the sudden truth in the trade war and the bottom line benefits. how will it pay off for you? we present limu emu & doug with this key to the city.
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as our brilliant white house counsel wrote to the democrats yesterday, he said, they're highly partisan and unconstitutional effort threatens grave and lasting damage to our democratic institutions, to our system of free elections and to the american people. >> new efforts from the white house to stone wall congress, they're raising new concerns of a constitutional crisis after they revealed the administration will refuse to cooperate in
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their impeachment inquiry. in a new york times op-ed, one harvard law professor says quote, we no longer have a crisis of the presidency, we also have a breakdown in the fund edge structure of government under the constitution. joining me now are two legal analys analysts. danny, i want to jump in here. dane, do you agree with that statement. are we experiencing a constitutional crisis? >> respectfully, i do not agree. that's only because the mechanisms of the constitution are strong enough even if they don't articulate what's to be done, that the constitution may flex. it may stretch. but it will not break under this, i guess you could call it an ordeal. maybe not a crisis. but as we've seen, we already have rules, we've had prior impeachments which act as precedent and we have constitutional -- excuse me, congressional rules which are the congress's prerogative to
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create and maintain and change as they like, and it doesn't really raise a separation of powers crisis. it creates a conflict, one that may ultimately be resolved by impeachment or somewhere in the courts. but not exactly a crisis. again, reasonable minds can absolutely disagree. >> glenn, one constitutional law expert told alex witt that we're only a constitutional confrontation. >> i would not call that a constitutional crisis yet. we have a mechanism for resolving these conflicts. ultimately, the courts are going to decide which subpoenas by congress are valid, which have to testify, which documents to be produced. as long as the white house complies with the orders of the court, as president nixon did doorg watergate, i would not call that a constitutional crisis. >> glenn, what's your take? are you confident the white house will comply with court
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orders? >> i'm with danny. we're not at a constitutional crisis. we're at a constitutional more ras although it's a cluster and breakdown. a true crisis is when two co-equal branches are butting heads and there's no tie-breaker. there's no constitutional mechanism to definitively break that loggerhead. here's what a constitutional crisis would be. in 1974 when the supreme court unanimously ruled that the subpoena for nixon's tapes was lawful and supportable and in substance they said nixon, turn over the tapes. that is a ruling from the highest court in the land concerning the effect of our laws. if the nixon white house said we're not going to do that, that's a constitutional crisis, because there is no tie-breaker or higher authority to force the
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administration to comply with the supreme court order. we're not there yet. we are in a mess vis-a-vis our constitution because of the administration's announcement that we are not participating in what is a time tested constitutional process impeachment. but there's still a vehicle to deal with that. it's the courts. it's an inefficient vehicle, it's a slow-moving vehicle. but we're not quite -- we're at constitutional crisis minus at this point. >> glenn, you've picked on the courts. danny, are there -- what's the exact process used in congress? >> congress has the authority to create its own internal rules. it's changed the rules over time. the rules changed significantly since nixon and the clinton impeachment event. they've given more power to individual committee heads to issue subpoenas, for example. so congress through the
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separation of powers issue, they have the exclusive power to create internal rules for investigations which is why the argument that the white house council put in the letter that the president is being denied due process is a little disingenuous because congress decides what the process is. this impeachment process may resemble a criminal prosecution, but that's only cosmetic. a defendant in a criminal prosecution is entitled to constitutional due process. the president is not a criminal defendant in an impeachment inquiry and congress is allowed to make whatever rules it sees fit. >> glenn, we just mentioned that letter from the white house counsel. they argue that congress is violating, quote fundamental fairness and cons actually mandated due process. does that have standing? >> i'm going to give danny the amen chorus because he hit the nail on the head. the due process clause of the
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fifth amendment protects defendants when they are involved in criminal prosecutions. the due process clause of the fifth amendment does not apply to the political process of impeachment. and when i saw white house counsel cipollone put that in his letter and drop a footnote as support that due process applies to impeachment hearings, i did a double take and i looked at the footnote. you know what he cites, he cites some trial court judge who once in 1992 said that in court in a case that was vacated later. in other words, that is not even a good statement or authority anymore. it really is a travesty that a white house counsel would put that kind of unsupportable nonsense in an official letter purporting to state legal positions coming out the white house. that's a low point as far as a
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legal brief is concerned in, i think our history. >> a lot of new words coming out. cluster, ordeal. great to have you both here this morning. we'll be talking about this for a while i'm sure. thank you. new developments from syria that will fuel more attacks on president trump's green light to turkey. will his decision come back to haunt him? live reports straight ahead. with fidelity wealth management you get straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. fidelity wealth management. to help you grow and protect your wealth. be right back.
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now to morning headlines. breaking overnight. all roads closed due to the wind fueled wildfires in southern california. they're now open. all evacuation orders lifted. firefighters battling flames in saddle ridge where nearly 8,000 acres were scorched. the fire is 33% contained. more than 30 buildings are destroyed or damaged. the fires are being blamed for three deaths. rescue crews will resume searching for a missing construction worker after a hard rock hotel collapsed saturday in new orleans. more than 100 workers were on site when the building suddenly gave way. >> i had nowhere to go. i was trapped. when i got to the ground, there was smoke everywhere. more people than i imagined. i never thought it would be all
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this. i was scared. >> two people were killed and at least 18 injured. the building near the french quarter remains unstable. investigators say it will be some time before they learn what caused the collapse. louisiana governor john bell edwards forced into a runoff election in his bid for re-election. edwards garnered the most votes but fell short in the primary as of 50% threshold to avoid a runoff. he will face the person who got the second most votes. the runoff general election it next month. many parts of north dakota are digging out of more than two feet of snow this morning. blizzard conditions closed roads due to the conditions. hundreds of homes lost power at the height of the storm. now to other breaking news. more shelling as turkey continues its attack on kurds in syria. this is day five of the incursion into kurdish controlled regions along the
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northeastern syrian border in spite of international condemnati condemnation. turkey is claiming it's taken a key kurdish down. united nations officials say more than 130,000 people have been displaced so far. following developments for us, nbc's bill neely and keir simmons and msnbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs. we go fierce to keir. keir, what does that mean and what is the latest there? >> reporter: well, i think people are increasingly cynical about the ambition to create a safe zone because overnight we've had alleged war crimes being carried out by the militia that are sfori supporting the turkish military. disturbing video showing the pro-turkish militia executing two kurdish fighters who have
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their hands tied. it looks like m-4 highway that runs along the up until kurdish held parts of syria. the men shout god is great and describe the men that they're about to kill at pigs in the video. so that's causing an outcry. another case which wasn't filmed of a kurdish politician and women's rights activist allegedly pulled from her car and killed in the past day or so. so these kinds of stories coming out. this is about militia who are a kind of rag tag grouping of different fighters from the syrian war, including some of them islamists and so i think people will begin to really ask questions, not just about the turkish military and the bombardment that they have been
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carrying out into syria but also about the kind of potentially jihadists who are fighting alongside them, who exactly turkey is using to carry out this push into the kurdish-held areas. dara. >> keir simmons live from turkey. now we turn to bill neely in you are beal in kurdistan. >> why is turkey still advancing? >> reporter: it is being condemned dara, chiefly by the u.s. at the moment which is warning that future relations would be damage, threatening sanctions on turkey. germany has stopped arms sales to turkey. the arab league condemning the invasion of another arab country. turkey is actually listening to all of this. it simply doesn't care. president erdogan saying we will not stop. regardless of what anybody says.
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a spokesman saying we simply will not listen to threats. but what keir was describing is very, very significant because the international backlash may well grow. there's the disturbing video of the prisoners being apparently executed at the side of the road. the turkish politician keir mentioned was well-known in this area, and i've seen stills, photographs of her bullet-ridden car. this morning an ngo, nongovernmental organization, in the north of syria is reporting a three-man ambulance team has been kidnapped near the frontlines. so u.s. officials will be looking at these incidents to see, are there -- is there any evidence of a war crime? are the turkish backed -- are they targeting civilians? is there evidence of ethnic cleansing? i think as that evidence builds,
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there will be increasing pressure on president trump to do something with the possibility that actually turkey has crossed a red line. one other thing, dara to mention, there are reports within the last hour that there has been a mass escape, kurdish officials saying more than 700 people, including many isis women, from a camp after it came under attack. a lot of people in that camp overwhelmed the guards and made their escape. that is another thing in this area that u.s. officials and others will be looking at with deep, deep anxiety. dara? >> bill neely, thank you so much for that update. coming live to us. let's bring in jack jacobs. a military analyst and contribut contributor. you heard what bill and keir said. what is your assessment of today's developments? >> what you expect to happen.
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the turks have two objectives here. the first is to clear the area of kurds. our allies and getting rid of isis. second, to take all the syrian refugees they currently have inside turkey and put them in syria and get them out of turkey altogether. so far they're being successful. i don't think they're going to stop until they're convinced that they've got the buffer zone that they need. that all the syrian refugees are out of turkey. then, of course, they have to defend a wider border. they're ready to do that as long as it keeps syrian refugees out of turkey and it keeps the kurds out of turkey as well. don't forget that the kurds are, as far as turkey is concerned, they're terrorists and they're looking to eliminate them altogether. >> yesterday we reported that they were force today retreat.
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u.s. officials believe it was a deliberate attack. what do you make of that? >> all attacks are deliberate. this exercise by the turks has been planned for some time. when do you that, you have areas that you're going to bombard, areas you're going to attack. terrain features that you're going to season hold. all of that stuff was organized long in advance of the attack, daraa. >> president trump continues to defend his decision to -- >> we have nobody there. we defeated isis. we did a favor and then i said to europe, take your isis fighters back, germany, france, uk, all of them. they didn't want to take them back. i said we're not going to hold them. but they're so used to treating the united states so badly -- >> here's the former defense secretary jim mattis told chuck todd. let's listen to this. >> isis is not defeated. we have got to keep the pressure
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on isis so they don't recover. we may want a war over, declare it over, pull your troops out as president obama learned the hard way out of iraq. but the enemy gets a vote we say in the military. >> little fact checking here. who is right, president trump says we defeated them. general mattis says we didn't. >> general mattis is correct. we had them on the run. they were a large percentage of them were eliminated. we had 12,000 to 15,000 under guard. many of them already escaped. all the rest of them will escape. by the way, the principle reason that we had them on the run was because of the kurds and now we've thrown the kurds under the bus. general mattis is correct. the president is completely incorrect. colonel jack, how concerning is this that the isis fighters are now possibly getting out?
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>> very concerning. they're going to reconstitute. some already have. i think that the escaped isis fighters are going to form the colonel of a new terrorist threat in the entire region and we have yet to see what's going to happen as a result of that. but we're not going to like the results, darea. >> i'm sure we'll continue this conversation in the days ahead. great to have you here this morning. president trump's boasting about his new partial trade deal. who is going to benefit and how will it pay off for consumers. that's up next. on "saturday night live" last night. a spoof of the lgbtq town hall featuring lin-manuel miranda portraying julian castro. if elected, what will doto cabinet snoo. >> first of all, gracias. as a democrat, i want to apologize for not being gay.
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the phase one plan gives relief to american farmers and other businesses hit hard by tariffs. it marks a big shift for president trump who was threatening major taxes on chinese products. we're joined by our guest who talks about the increasing tariffs on billions of dollars worth of chinese goods. how will this affect american shoppers closer to the holiday shopping season? >> when it comes to holiday shoppers, the grinch has still stolen christmas. that's what the ceo of the apparel and american footwear association has said. because the current tariffs in place are still in effect. the only thing we got with this mini deal is that china has
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promised to purchase 40 to $50 billion worth of farm goods. in exchange, president trump has said that he is going to not go through with the -- in tariffs october 15th. on december 15th. there's still a threat from president trump to put tariffs on virtually all imports from china. you're talking about toys, things you'd like to buy for your kids, for your friends. those will all be tariffed. shoes, clothing, home goods too. >> what is the reaction from the stock market to the news that the two sides are coming together to a sort of truce? >> so the stock market has been sensitive to all developments in this trade war over the past year. we've seen a lot. we've seen threats and retaliations, we've seen two major truces. both at the december g20 summit in argentina between president trump and the chinese president and another in june in japan at the g20 summit. we've gotten nowhere. financial pain inflicted on both sides. the stock market, of course,
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every time there's positive news in the trade war, the dow is in the green, the s&p 500 jumps up, it rises, it soars. but every time there's bad news, then it drops back down. this week, of course, there's progress, a breakthrough, a mini deal. of course, when it comes to the dow and s&p 500, those were all in the green, all positive. >> how does it help farmers and the manufacturing industry? >> this is very concerning to president trump. a lot of the farmers are in swing states. when it comes to his 2020 re-election bid, he wants to make sure those voters are on his side. that's what we're getting out of this mini deal. china promising 40 to $50 billion worth of purchases of american farm goods. so from there perspective, that is beneficial. but when it comes to the biggest part of the trade deal, when it comes to stopping the force tech transfers and intellectual property from companies, we're nowhere near getting that done. president trump is going to sign this watered down mini deal in
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four weeks. the main reason why so far we haven't signed a deal has not been resolved. >> a lot of deadlines there. is there any chance china would go back on its word? >> yes. that's the thing. the stock market is aware of that. the ceos of the biggest companies are aware of that. we're close to getting a deal, close to getting it signed. then there's a reversal and escalation in tariffs again. china, it is possible, they could still retract. we'll see what happens. >> sib aisle, the president is not looking for an interim agreement. he said they'll work out the deal in phases now. what's the change in turn? >> nancy pelosi launching the official impeachment inquiry into president trump. he's gotten more desperate for a deal. of course, he can't get the actual deal he wants because china is not budging. they are not willing to stop forced tech transfers or stops the theft of intellectual
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property. he wants the wealthiest corporations on his side. >> great to have you here this morning. we'll be watching to see what happens with china next. thank you so much. >> thanks. the impeachment inquiry will gather even more steam this week. the who, the why and the potential fallout up next. i wanted more that's why i've got the power of 1 2 3 medicines with trelegy. the only fda-approved 3-in-1 copd treatment.
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a big week in store as congress returns in its two-week recess. multiple witnesses had to speak behind closed doors in the impeachment inquiry. first up tomorrow is fiona hill. nbc news reporting hill's appearance next week before congress has stoked fear among people close to the president said a former senior white house official. but in a new interview with my colleague alex witt, democrats already have what they need for the articles of impeachment. >> we've got the call record showing that right after the ukranian leader, donald trump immediately asked them for a favor though. and one of those favors was to target trump's political opponent.
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we've got text message, testimony from these ambassadors. there's already enough to draft one article of impeachment on the ukraine scandal. >> joining me now is progressive commentator and radio talk show host rashad ritchie. do you believe they have enough for articles of impeachment right now and if so, why don't they move forward with the vote? >> they had enough the day he was sworn in. let's look at what the articles of impeachment really are. it is not a criminal indictment. it is for according to the constitution high crimes and misdemeanors which means that is language adopted from the british common law tradition and the british common law tradition interpreted high crimes and misdemeanors as anything that is either an abuse of power or a
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violation of the oath of office. so there's no direct criminal statute for that. that is left up to the interpretation of congress. if congress says this is an abuse of power or this is a direct violation of your oath, then there doesn't need to be a criminal statute. they can move forward with articles of impeachment based on the constitutional requirement and the language set forth as high crimes and misdemeanors mpl. >> how are they going to decide whether they have enough to reach a decision for articles of impeachment and take up a vote? >> i think that's an interesting question. i i believe they have been using this inquiry process to build public sentiment. over 50% of americans are in favor of not only impeachment but also removal. you have one poll that shows 51% reported even by a conservative news outlet that got under the president's skin. so i think democrats or congress has exactly what they need. they have public sentiment now.
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>> president trump spoke about impeachment and house speaker nancy pelosi in his speech last night. let's take a listen to what he said. >> for those of you who said she was reasoned for the last sex months when she said no, no, no, i said she's going to do it. she just wanted to carry it on closer to election. not a good person. >> any reason to think democrats would be waiting to have the vote closer to election? >> well, sure. both sides of the political conversation are looking a t the presidential politics of it all so i think it is wise to vet all of the witnesses first and make sure that it definitely has some impact on the presidential cycle. remember, the process of impeachment is not simply a criminal process, but it is also a political process and that is why it's playing out the way it is. so i don't put it past democrat to play some politics with this, but remember the ammunition for
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the impeachment itself is the main thing and has the president of the united states given them ammunition, absolutely. >> here's what's more of what he said there. >> we're going after these people. these are bad, bad people. i actually told my lawyers i said, sue them anyway. he's got immunity. but they can't mean immunity for that. i said, sue them anyway, even if we lose the american public will understand. and sue nancy pelosi. or maybe we should just impeach them. >> rashad, you just heard him. he says even if we lose the american public will understand. what do you make of that? >> well, first of all, he doesn't understand that the american public is not on his side. as a matter of fact, he never won the heart of the american public. remember, 3 million more people voted against him than for him
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in his original presidential bid. so he never had the heart and soul of this country. beyond that, i don't think he understands how the constitution works. a member of congress cannot be impeached. so him turning this around saying that we're going to impeach them, that's not even constitutionally possible and beyond that, it's quite laughable that he is saying he's going to sue them even though he knows they have implied immunity. this is basically him acting as real estate trump where he sued everybody according to his previous attorney and didn't really care about the legal reason or the legal issue behind the lawsuit. once again, we are seeing trump as classic trump and not as president trump. >> great to have you on on this sunday. thank you so much. >> thank you. next, new information about a key witness in the ukraine whistle blower case. we know what he's going to tell congress this week and why it could be extremely damaging to president trump. plus, anger and tears, a
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that wraps up our hour of nmsnbc live. >> good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt here. it is today, day 20 of the
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impeachment inquiry into the president. we're now just one day away from the start of yet another busy week of depositions and deadlines for the democrats investigative efforts including a big new story detailing what ambassador sondeland might say when he talks on sunday. it's been a very busy 24 hour of developments. here's a look back now at how it all unfolded. >> as of last check rudy giuliani is still the president's personal attorney. giuliani confirming that to nbc news after president trump made imseem like maybe he isn't. >> giuliani is being investigated by the u.s. attorney's office he used to lead. >> mr. sondland is on a list of people who are to be deposed next week along with other people involved. >> if we're going to proceed with impeachment i believe it has to be done before the end of the year. >> we would love to fill in additional b