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keir simmons, thanks very much. thanks to you watching this hour of msnbc live. a packed monday, continuing now with craig melvin in new york. >> good to see you hallie jackson. craig melvin, msnbc headquarters in new york city. damage control mode, that's how the white house finds itself this morning amid a series of walkbacks and retreats on multiple issues, all happening under the cloud of the impeachment inquiry, the biggest clean-up job may fall on the president's acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney, new reporting on what's happening inside the white house coming up. meanwhile on capitol hill another busy week of crucial testimony, republicans ramping up their fight against democrats, the man leading the investigation as well. they're expected to be pushing a vote against intelligence committee chairman adam schiff today. also, the buttigieg bump, a new poll puts the south bend mayor within striking distance of joe biden and elizabeth warren, it comes as new warning signs are flashing for the
entire democratic field. we'll dig into that in a moment. we start this morning at the white house. it finds itself under siege and on the defense as the impeachment inquiry pushes into its fourth week now, house democrats lining up another parade of testimonies this week from officials in the state department. the budget office, national security council, and defense department, all of this as republicans hold the president's feet to the fire following multiple walkbacks and course corrections from the white house over the weekend. let's take you right to the center of the tension in the nation's capital. garrett haake is on capitol hill. and hans nichols is live for us at the white house. and hans, i'll start with you. i understand you've got some new reporting on the acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney. what can you tell us? >> this morning in the morning staff meeting at the white house mick mulvaney was given a round of applause, according to two administration officials getting to something going on here at the white house. that is, they recognize they are under siege.
but they're also willing, at least internally, to acknowledge that certain members are trying to go out and fight on behalf of the president. now, that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone thought mick mulvaney did a wonderful job either on thursday or that sunday press conference and i should also note we haven't had any reporting to put the president in the senior staff meeting. he typically is not present on that. it may be fine that senior staff is celebrating mick mulvaney. what really matters is what the president of the united states thinks. listen to how mick mulvaney tried to clean up his thursday press conference in the briefing room on one of the sunday talk shows. >> why did you say in that briefing that president trump had ordered a quid pro quo that investigating the democrats, that aid to ukraine depended on investigating the democrats, why did you say that? >> that's not what i said. that's what people i said. here's what i said.
hopefully people will listen. two reasons we held up the aid, talked about this at some length, the first one was the rampant corruption in ukraine. i did then mention that in the past the president had mentioned for me from time to time about the dnc server, mentioned it to other people publicly and even to president zelensky in the phone call. it wasn't connected to the aid. that's where people got sidetracked at that press conference. >> now all that may be rendered moot here in 25 minutes when we hear from the president of the united states. i'm going to toss it back to you, craig, keep it tight. i think you may lose the back half of your hour. >> of course. really quickly, it sounds like, again we haven't heard from the president but it sounds like mick mulvaney's job may be safer than we thought. >> i wouldn't go that far. if i were better sourced i'd go around that room on senior staffing and i'd say who was clapping vigorously and who was clapping politely? we know that there are tensions
inside the west wing. you'd really want to know who was really putting their heart into that applause if you're doing a deep dive, fly on the wall reporting that garrett can do so well. >> nice transition, thank you, sir. mr. haake, house republicans preparing a vote today to censure house intel chair adam schiff. is that right? >> they're going to try, craig, but this will get tabled by democrats quickly. in the house it's all about majority rules. democrats will make sure this doesn't come to the floor, except to be tabled and put aside. it's interesting to me at least only in that it shows a lot about what republican strategy has been here as they try to push back against the impeachment probe, over the last week, especially, we have not heard republicans attack the witnesses. we have not heard republicans try to undercut the credibility of the testimony they're getting and we have not heard them come out and vigorously defend the president. what we have heard instead is them attacking adam schiff and attacking the process by which democrats have been going about this impeachment inquiry and this is the largest stage for that so far, to set a fight
about a censure vote on someone in the person of adam schiff who has become the boogie man for republicans saying this is unfair. the vote should be an anti climatic moment. the star witness we're watching for is bill taylor tomorrow, the diplomat involved in the text message exchange with gordon sondland, about i don't think we should be withholding political aid based on political considerations. the rest of the depositions are up in the air. thursday and friday we could see all of these things being rescheduled for funeral services for elijah cummings. that could affect the impeachment calendar. but circle bill taylor for tomorrow. >> garrett haake on the hill, hans nichols at the white house. let's turn to betsy woodruff
swan, a reporter for "the daily beast." and tim miller is here, a former jeb bush communications director. bett betsy, white house damage control mode on multiple front seat. we've seen this before. white house considering leaving behind troops in syria cancelling plans for the g-7 summit in florida at the president's resort. surprised at all to see the president give in to the pushback this time around? >> it is out of character for him, traditionally over the course of his presidency trump seems to relish taking steps that frustrate his foes in the democratic party and on capitol hill. so it's certainly unusual for him to roll out an announcement like having the g-7 at his resort and then make a total about face within a couple days. one thing i can tell you is that among white house allies there was a lot of head scratching at the fact that mick mulvaney even had that thursday press conference in the first place. of course the point of that
conference, where he now infamously seemed to say the president engaged in trying to force a quid pro quo from ukraine the point of the conference was to talk about the trump dural announcement which is not something vulnerable republicans are thrilled about discussing. it's the kind of thing the trump administration has blamed the bidens for engaging in, and purely from a political perspective white house allies were very much knocked back on their heels that the administration was touting that decision that was quickly reversed. >> tim, is there a concern at this point that some of these republicans are going to start to break with the president at a time when he need them most? >> yeah, i think it showed he has at least a little bit of a concern and so do the people around him. i talked to the few of the so-called privately concerned republicans on the hill from time to time, you know the types of folks that would peel off from him, and i think the fact that this impeachment came right at the time of the syria withdrawal and the dural
announcement is pushing some of them to the brink. i think that each member, obviously, has different things that push them overboard, but, you know, all of these folks, you know, when there is a continuous drip, drip, drip of anti-trump news, of mistakes, of policy decisions like syria that they don't like, i think that makes them look at impeachment differently, and i think that that is something that the president was aware of when he kind of pulled back the decision on dural. the other thing i'd say really quick on dural is my colleague jonathan last wrote this morning it was interesting the president said i would be willing to host this at cost. it raises the question, is the president still running the trump organization? you know, and supposedly he has this wall up between his private business and the white house, how would he know whether or not the private business could have hosted this at cost? i think that's going to raise questions on the other stays at mar-a-lago and dune baggen, and places like that going forward.
>> good point i had not considered. betsy, i want to play something, this is what senators mitt romney and lindsey graham said to axios on hbo on the president's recent decisions in the impeachment. >> if more comes out that you could support impeachment? >> sure. i mean, show me something that is a crime. if you could show me that, you know, trump, dwal wactually was engaging in a quid pro quo outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing. >> going on tv and saying china will you investigate my political opponent is wrong. it's a mistake. it was shocking for the -- in my opinion -- the president to do so and a mistake for him to do so. i can't imagine a different point of view. we can't have presidents asking foreign countries to provide something of political value that is, after all, against the law. >> how concerning is that for this white house, those two senators?
>> it's very much a tale of two takes that we've seen play out. senator graham saying that he's comfortable waiting and seeing to see if anything new turns up in this impeachment inquiry is not actually t of a deviation from where a number of congressional republicans are at. and over -- if you sort of take the aggregate of what senator graham said about this impeachment inquiry he's made it clear that based on the information that is currently available to him he doesn't think trump deserves to be impeached. senator romney is a lot more critical, seems to sort of make the moral argument against the way that the president has talked, not just with the ukrainian government but also his comments directed at the chinese government. there's no question that within the white house and among trump's allies there is a lot of fairly high level of expectation that romney is the most likely of the senate republicans to peel off from the president. the big question for them is, is romney a leader within the senate republican conference or is he an outlier? >> go ahead, tim, go ahead.
>> i would just chime in on the graham clip. to the point i was making earlier, his tone definitely has changed since the syria debacle though. look, i'm not going to come on here and say that i think lindsey graham who has been one of the most cheer leadiest allies of the president is going to vote for impeachment but you can see how the issues are impacting the thinking around impeachment. senator graham's comments there would have not left the door quite so open had it not been for his very stark disagreement with the president on syria and turkey. >> betsy woodruff swan, betsy, thank you, tim miller, good to have you both, thank you, thank you. we have breaking news right now, tens of thousands are without power in dallas, texas. a tornado ripped through the northern part of the city leaving a trail of destruction behind, some 17 miles long here getting a look at some of it there. search and rescue teams currently going house to house right now to survey the damage.
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in eastern syria to protect oil fields there. meanwhile the five-day so called cease-fire broken by the u.s. with turkey set to expire tomorrow. nbc's erin mclaughlin is along turkey's border with syria, more details on that for us this morning. of course it is the evening there. erin, what do we know about what's happening with u.s. troops being pulled out of northern syria? >> reporter: hey, craig. well, the withdrawal is well under way. an nbc crew positioned in iraq saw a u.s. convoy streaming over the border earlier today. we know that their safety is their number one priority for the united states at this point. they're being pulled out of the areas near the syria/turkey border. but for those soldiers positioned near syrian oil fields they'll not be part of that phase of the withdrawal, that according to the u.s. defense secretary mark esper who said this process will take
weeks, not days. take a listen. >> the present phase in withdrawal from northeast syria involves those troops up along the border, if you will, principally at the kabanilz at this point in time. that as i said yesterday this withdrawal will take weeks, not days. until that time our forces will remain in the towns that are located near the oil fields. >> reporter: meanwhile in the kurdish town of kamishli viral video shows kurdish protesters hurling potatoes at a passing u.s. convoy. a separate social media video, which has since gone viral, shows kurdish protesters holding up signs to the u.s. soldiers departing, one sign reading thanks for u.s. people, but trump betrayed us, really gives you a sense of the sentiment, the feelings of anger, frustration, fear and betrayal
that i have to say are reflected in conversations i'm having with kurds on this side of the border as well, craig. >> the agreement ending hostilities, expires tomorrow, erin. is there any indication what the kurdish led forces will do at that point? >> reporter: well, that's an open question. president erdogan of turkey was very clear in what he had to say. he said that if kurdish fighters had not withdrawn from the so-called safe zone kurdish fighters' heads would be "crushed" as a result at the end of that five-day so called cease-fire. but the issue being that kurds have a very different definition of that safe zone than turkey. so how that will play out in the long run really, at this point, remains to be seen. >> really quickly before i let you go, erin, why, again, are we protecting these oil fields in the eastern syria? >> reporter: well, mark esper
today said that u.s. troops would remain positioned around the oil fields, not giving a timetable for the withdrawal there, because there was an interest to protect the oil fields from potential isis attacks. remember, it is a big concern from the united states that isis will prosper, that isis will gain as a result of u.s. troop withdrawal from the region. >> got it, irerin mclaughlin in turkey for us. let's bring in gail -- always good to have your perspective, thank you. the five-day halt, this five-day halt in fighting, has turkey achieved its goal? >> it certainly has captured the world's attention and i think now we have to watch tomorrow for three things. one is an erdogan/putin meeting which should be quite definitive in terms of what comes out of it. and what could happen at the end
of this pause in hostilities, does turkey come up with a reason to continue really the encouragement in the offensive or is it satisfied with what it has? and thirdly there is this hunt in washington for a diplomatic solution. you see some of the folks from the syrian/kurdish areas who have sent political leaders to washington, there is a discussion going on. there are some people who are deeply hopeful that some kind of a deal could be worked out, that would save the lives of those who risked their lives to stand alongside the united states and be the infantry in the fight against isis. >> the top kurdish commander, gayle, told nbc news that the current weather conditionsish assault in northern syria called it "an ethnic cleansing operation." is that, in fact, what's happening there? have the kurds resigned themselves to having no u.s. buffer in the area? >> i spoke with the head of the u.s. backed forces at 5:30 a.m. pacific on saturday morning and we had a discussion about it. i interviewed him several times for this book i've been working on and he was talking about,
look, kurdish families have to leave their area. what do you call that? there's huge fear, there's huge fear among christian communities and communities of faith because we're not talking about turkish forces. we're talking about extremists, backed by turkey, who are moving into these areas. and why is the united states there in the first place? it was to bolster partners putting their lives on the line in the fight against extremism and putting their young people's lives on the line for this. and so, yes, there is extreme fear about what comes next. and i do think, though, that the head of the u.s. backed forces was really hopeful there would be some kind of residual troop presence that would help enforce whatever kind of deal is worked out versus having people being shelled and come barded and killed. >> you mentioned the meeting between president erdogan and russian troops also in northern syria. what kind of long-term deal might turkey cut with russia
over the region? >> this is the question, right, because turkey has really been pushing to protect id lib, a place where folks who have been misplaced from other parts of syria have found safety and there are al qaeda linked groups there. turkey has been trying to protect the civilians there. at the same time they have been launching an offensive that has, you know, created what many have called war crimes against civilians in northeastern syria. would this be spliced up like a pizza pie and different people get different zones of influence, different countries have different spepieces of syr? russia is not just speaking for russia, russia is also speaking for the syrian regime and of course the syrian regime's major backers of iran. >> gayle lemmon, good to have your insight and perspective, thank you. still to come, iowa, up for grabs. democrats facing a shakeup in the primary polls. on the other side of the aisle the trump reelection campaign
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iowa, up for grabs, at least according to the new suffolk university usa today poll finding that south bend mayor pete buttigieg is on the rise after last week's democratic debate. the numbers right there on your screen. as the candidates continue to slug it out the trump campaign is hauling in a whole bunch of cash, the money machine triggering new alarm bells. the president and the republican national committee have raised more than $300 million this year for his reelection, more than any other sitting president in history at this point in the campaign. i'm joined now by jonathan kapart, an msnbc contributor, and emily tish sussman. let's start with the new poll out of iowa right now, appears to be anyone's game.
for mayor pete, what we're seeing here, is it just a post debate bump or is there more to it than that? >> it could be a post debate bump. the debate was just last week. he did well, as he always does, but also he's putting the infrastructure in place so that people in iowa can get to know him and learn about him. and by infrastructure, i mean district offices and having people associated with his campaign on the ground there so that caucus voters can go and talk to a real person and, you know, he's been in iowa a lot. so that could be the most likely is a lot of what's driving his surge in support. and these state polls, iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada are infinitely more important than the national polls and so the fact that he's surging in a state poll and the first critical state poll as opposed to the national polls where he's further down is significant. >> but here's the thing,
jonathan, as you know, yes, he's surging in iowa but if you look at mayor pete buttigieg's polling with black and brown voters in places like south carolina and nevada, it's low single digits. >> yeah. and that has been and will continue to be a problem for mayor pete. you cannot win the democratic nomination for president without significant support from the african-american community. that's always been the case but that is really going to be the case in 2020. and so as we get away from iowa and new hampshire and into states like nevada where the latino vote is high and south carolina, as you know craig, where the african-american vote is as high as 60% of the electorate. and then super tuesday where there are other high black electorate states, super tuesday is three days after south carolina. so if mayor pete can't pick up
or pick up african-american support it's going to be -- i have a hard time seeing how he actually crosses the finish line and gets the nomination since that is his goal. >> here's the other part of this poll i found fascinating, emily, same poll, who have a preferred candidate, 63% say they might change their minds before the caucus. what does that say about the current field of contenders? what does that say about your average democratic primary voter right now? >> that's the biggest thing that jumped out to me out of this poll is, yes, mayor pete went up but really it's still a jump ball. it could still pretty much be anyone's game. everyone who says -- the way these polls work is they generally call and ask who is your preferred candidate so you give one name but really when you have conversations with caucus goers and voters there's still evaluating the field, and still keeping top three in mind. and this is why i think you see a lot of candidates spend more physical time in iowa than we have been before. we're seeing announcements coming out from a lot of
campaigns saying this is our strategy now, the candidate's going to stay in the state a lot and part of that reason is they're trying to go voter by voter and hitting up smaller towns to pick up a couple voters there. we saw amy klobuchar was in a town of 1,200 people over the weekend, first candidate to visit that town. so, you know, people are open and that's why the candidates are trying to get in and trying to see as many voters as possible. >> meanwhile, the other big story coming out of all of this, according to politico, the trump money machine. it's got a lot of democratic operatives, quite concerned. it's, of course, the kind of money that allows him to find new small dollar donors and work to expand electoral map. how do democrats fight the trump campaign's head start? >> it is difficult to be totally honest with you. it's like there's two campaigns happening at once. there's the democratic primary and then there's preparing for the general. i think this is something that a lot of people would like to see the dnc doing, to be able to fight back against trump early
on and to some degree they are because they are cultivating and planting local stories about local impacts that his policies have had. but this online thing is where it becomes very visible. look, i've been speaking with online experts, social media experts and direct to consumer experts, about what it means to have the early money. what the trump campaign is doing. it cannot be replaced later down the road if you start doing these large scale digital ad buys and become smarter and just test content, constant testing content you know so much more about your audience even if you do a big money dump into digital in the last weeks and months it cannot replicate what you've done early on. >> jonathan, politico knows the president has twice as much cash on hand as barack obama and the dnc had at this time in his reelection run. and you probably know this better than i do, a lot of high dollar democratic donors are sitting out the primary fight.
is that a sound strategy at this point? >> well if you're a donor, sure, hang in the background until there's a nominee and then flood that nominee with cash. you know, i deally what the donors should be doing is what organization or entity can we put together or is there an existing entity that we can flood cash into to try to do things to offset what the republicans are doing? but emily is absolutely right. you know, the republican money machine is going to be tough to beat. and let's keep something else in mind, craig, president trump has not stopped running for president. remember, after election day he kept going. after inauguration day he kept going. all those rallies that he's been doing for other candidates, or just for himself since becoming president have all been about running for reelection in 2020. and then the other thing is, you
know, he has a vested interest in staying in office for a lot of reasons. but a lot of his supporters have a vested interest in him staying in office and this is the ultimate clash when we've had conversations about, you know, there are demographic shifts and shifts in the culture of the country and there are a lot of people out there where do we want to accept it or not who will do anything and finance anything to ensure that the status quo as it is right now as we're talking remains in place. >> all right, jonathan capehart, thank you, emily tisch sussman, reallily quickly, emily, joe biden's campaign, should they be concerned? >> pretty concerned. it feels like the firewall that's been there, a lot of people have been supporting him because they feel like he's the one that can reach across the
aisle go zbl aacross. >> he's burned through a lot of money. >> he's burned through a lot. a lot of consultants, but his campaign has every reason to keep spending it and not hold that cash because they need to see him go back up in the numbers to keep that flow going. >> emily tisch sussman, thank you, jonathan capehart, thanks as well. new this morning an 11th hour deal that averts what would have been the first federal trial on opioids, four major drug companies accused of fueling the drug crisis. it reached a $260 million settlement with two ohio counties that trial seen really as a potential bell weather for thousands of other lawsuits across the country. the settlement does not resolve the other lawsuits according to the centers for disease control. opioids, both prescription and illegal, have been blamed for more than 400,000 deaths in the united states from 1997 through 2017. also a developing story we're watching this morning, the
supreme court has just tossed out a case involving a highly controversial issue of gerrymandering. this one involving the state of michigan. nbc justice correspondent pete williams covers the high court for us, joins me now from outside the supreme court. pete, tell us what happened. >> reporter: well, the court, as you say, wiped out a ruling from a three-judge panel in april that had declared the map that was drawn by republicans for state house, state senate and congressional district boundaries in michigan to be an unconstitutional partisan gerrymander. the court said there was no doubt that republicans were rigging the system to perpetuate republican reelection in those districts and disadvantaging democrats. and they ordered the state to redraw the maps and actually hold a special election next year for the state senate, state senators serve four-year terms there. but today the supreme court wiped that ruling off the books and frankly this was not a big surprise. here's why. the three-judge panel issued its
ruling in april but then in june of this year the supreme court said that these questions about partisan gerrymandering are really off limits for the federal courts, that it's beyond the authority of judges to decide in essence how much politics is too much. so the supreme court really closed the federal courthouse doors to these claims. and that meant that this ruling was doomed. the supreme court actually put the effect of the michigan panel of the three-judge panel's ruling on hold. and now, today, the final decision, the final nail in the coffin, if you will, wiping it off the books. now what's the future for partisan gerrymander? well it's certainly not going to be in federal courts. the supreme court's ruling in june means, though, that you could still pursue these claims in state court. you can say that a state was drawing the maps in such a way that it was depriving people of a state constitutional right but you can't make a federal claim. now, one footnote about michigan, last year michigan voters approved a referendum
that takes the job of drawing the district boundaries out of the hands of the legislature. so after the results from the 2020 census, the new legislative maps will be drawn in michigan by a bipartisan commission, craig. >> pete williams from the supreme court for us this morning. pete, thank you, thank you, thank you. right after the break, my exclusive conversation with michael jordan, what he's quietly been doing to help so many communities. old dogs. the deaf, blind, the different. subaru presents the underdogs. these shelter dogs still love unconditionally. they're just hoping to find their human, who does too. to help, subaru is establishing national make a dog's day to ask you to please consider adopting an underdog, or do something extra-special for your dog.
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michael jordan, still one of the world's most iconic figures how now 16 years into retirement many of his most remarkable achievements no longer on the court, of course. in fact, they're out of the public eye. jordan focusing on helping others through a special kind of community activism and philanthropy. i sat down with him for an exclusive conversation. >> on the drive in for the left, gets chased into the corner -- >> it's a stark departure how he was once known, air jordan is now grandpa mike. >> and who is this guy? >> jasmine and my little -- >> this is my son. pleasure to meet you. >> this is rakim michael christmas in his public debut. >> you're a grandfather now. i saw your face light up there. what's that like? >> it's fun, you know, because i can actually hold him and play with him and i'm having fun watching him. >> i know.
this is your first time, right? >> yeah, first time, it's actually beautiful. >> the legendary competitor in a new phase of life 16 years after retearing from basketball. michael jordan is building on his legacy with philanthropy and community service. >> 3 million for hurricane relief, 5 million for the african-american history museum, millions to make a wish and other charities. are you at a point in your life where you want your legacy to be more than basketball? >> that's not my purpose for doing it. i see a certain need, i feel a certain warmth about it. if i feel like i'm making a difference that's all ma matters to me. >> but our estimation it's 30 million in donations over the last five years alone and his latest project -- >> three -- >> a health clinic for the underserved in his home state of north carolina. >> as you can see it's a very emotional thing for me. >> something near and dear to his heart. >> be able to give back to a
community that's supported me over the years. when i was in basketball so now where i'm a part of this community. >> the clinic, dr. michael holbin's brain child. >> the audience, in terms of the folks who come here, all kinds? >> we care for everybody in our community. we're here to serve our entire community and we're passionate about that. >> the goal, use integrated health care to increase upward mobility in the community. >> three, two, one. >> when michael heard the idea -- >> you all right? >> yeah, i'm okay. >> he decided to donate enough to fund two. >> at the end of the day if you know you're providing services for people in need, that's all that matters. >> and the accolades that come with his generosity, something he'd rather avoid. >> i give for the basis of giving, not to advertise, and not to promote. >> these days he'd rather stay out of the spotlight, opening up to us about his reluctant participation in an upcoming
ten-part series about his career and the 1998 chicago bulls. >> 500 hours of never before seen footage, why do that now? >> i didn't want to do it. i felt like it was raw enough that people would not really understand the mentality that it takes to be a winner. and to be a leader. and i'm still nervous about it. it's going to be interesting to see how people interpret the whole thing. that's going the most intriguing aspect of the whole thing. >> though his relationship with fame and the court of public opinion remains delicate he's built a massive empire with his jordan brand. he also owns the charlotte hornets, and he's worth an estimated $1.9 billion, making him the fourth richest african-american in the world and he's not done. >> i guess the team wasn't enough. the brand's not enough. underwear is not enough. what is this? >> we decided to do our own tequila. if we sell it, we sell it, if not, we've still got enough to drink. that's a lot you're pouring
there, buddy. >> i mean, it's michael jordan's tequila, i know how much the bottle costs. >> i do have a lot of stuff to do the rest of the day. pour me a lot and pour you a little. >> no sweat. >> i like the way you do it. >> if you could pick four guys for your pick-up team, hakeem alag juan, magic johnson, scotty pippen, that was six years ago, would you keep the same four? >> in a heartbeat, when i'm going in the trenches, i play against and with all these guys, i'm going with who i know. every single night, the responsibility to go out there and represent greatness every single night. >> so steph curry shouldn't be offended when he watches this. >> i hope not. he's still a great player. not a hall of famer yet though. >> cheers. >> cheers, my friend. mr. jordan also told me that he doesn't pick up a basketball anymore. he says he worries that his competitive nature would take over if he did. straight ahead, lessons learned,
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facebook ceo mark zuckerberg is expected to make a big announcement today about security and the next election. it comes as zuckerberg is expected to testify on capitol hill wednesday. in an exclusive interview with lester holt, zuckerberg says facebook is proactively trying to identify future election threats and protect users ahead of 2020. >> in the last year we've disrupted more than 50 different campaigns from different nation states trying to interfere in elections. i think it's really important that people can see for themselves when media is actually operating as an organ of the government and is being editorially controlled there. >> jo ling kent is at facebook's headquarters in california. so zuckerberg's been vocal about the changes his company is making ahead of 2020. what are we expecting from this
announcement? >> reporter: mark zuckerberg is really trying to prevent history from repeating itself. we're talking about 2016 making sure that the foreign interference that happened on the facebook platform does not happen again. he has said, though, that there's already been about 50 instances of incursions from outside the united states. but they're focus today is going to be on transparency and security. this, of course, comes after zuckerberg's speech at georgetown university on freedom of expression, which came much criticized, as you know. but he also doubled down on saying that facebook will not be fact checking political ads placed by candidates. our lester holt pressed him on this issue. >> do you feel like you're giving a green light to politicians that -- lie, lie, lie? >> i believe that it is important for people to be able to hear and see what politicians are saying.
i think that when they do that, that speech will be heavily scrutinized by other journalists, by other people. >> reporter: but of course here facebook has a lot of responsibility as it does have more than 2.4 billion users world wide. so, craig, this is a lot of debate in the tech community and well beyond here in silicon valley. >> jo, there's also been some reporting about zuckerberg helping one campaign specifically with some hiring recommendations. what are you hearing about that? >> reporter: yeah. we have confirmed that the buttigieg campaign, mayor pete buttigieg of south bend, indiana, did hire two people recommended by mark zuckerberg and his wife dr. priscilla chan. their spokesperson just telling me that having seen mark's visit to south bend, indiana, back in 2015 and a facebook live with mayor pete buttigieg, colleagues later asked mark and priscilla to connect them with the buttigieg campaign as they were
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"andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. right now, course correction. in a rare reversal president trump changes his decision to host the g7 summit at his own florida resort, yielding to congressional republicans who warned they would not be able to defend his awarding himself a huge federal contract on top of the impeachment inquiry. >> do you think it's appropriate for the president to have the g7 at his doral golf club? >> no. >> i don't understand why at this moment they had to do that. >> a dissent from the american republic into banana republic territory with all of this stuff has just been so stunningly fast. >> walk back. chief of staff mick mulvaney trying to reverse his admission of a quid pro quo with ukraine. the only problem, he said it on live television. >> definitely used that language because there is not a quid pro quo. >> what you just described is a quid pro quo. >> we do that all the time with foreign
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