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we have today. for now, good night from washington. to where we have today. for now, good night from washington. p to where we have today. for now, good night from washington. r now, good night frm washington good evening, everyone. tonight the iran rcrisis. the new year kicking off with a new threat from a familiar foe. >> this hour we're going to take you through some of the complex history of the u.s. relationship with iran and the impact trump's presidency has meant for stability across the region. before we get into the last couple of weeks and possible next steps, let's walk-through some of the key inflection points in the relationship between the united states and iran. president obama announced the
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iranian nuclear deal in 2015. it was called a joint comprehensive plan of action. iran agreed to limit its enrichment of your ran yum. billions of dollars in sanctions relief would be lifted to seal the deal. tehran agreed to ten-year restriction. in november of 2016, a little more than a year after president obama solidified the iran nuclear deal, the u.s. elected a new president, donald trump. on the campaign trail he said this while addressing the american-israel public affairs committee back in march of 2016. >> my number one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with iran. >> now, once trump became president, it took him 16 months to officially withdraw from the deal and restore sanctions on iran. he formally announced this move in may of 2018. >> in just a short period of time, the world's leading state
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sponsor of terror will be on the cusp of acquiring the world's most dangerous weapons. therefore, i am announcing today that the united states will withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. >> that announcement sparked concern from some about what could happen without that deal in place. >> this isolates the united states. this takes something that might have possibly taken place 15, 13 years from now and puts it into tomorrow. it moves a crisis time. it creates confrontation. >> the tensions between us and tehran are going to go nowhere but up, setting up even greater prospect for a conflict in the region. >> this puts us back on a path to war, right where we were in 2011. >> he has hurt, i think, the prospects for peace and for
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success for diplomacy by discarding something that was hard fought and well supported by our allies. >> if we break it, all guard rails are off and we will have created a nuclear crisis of our own making in the middle east. >> we're marching down the same route we took in 2002 and 2003 with regard to iraq, but this time it is iran. >> the other thing it prevented is getting an arm's race there in the middle east, which that's, i fear, where we're headed right now. >> and one year after the president's decision to pull out of the iran deal in may of 2019, the u.s. announced it was deploying a carrier strike force to the middle east. in a statement then national security adviser john bolton said the deployment sent a message to iran will be met with unrelenting force. days later four oil tankers were attacked in the gulf of oman.
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a few weeks after that, two more tankers hit again in the same area. the u.s. blamed iran for all of the attacks. in june, iran heightened tensions even more when it shot down a u.s. surveillance drone in the strait of hormuz. the u.s. was, quote, cocked and loaded to retaliate. he called it off because he was told 150 people would die. iran announced it has surpassed the uranium enrichment cap. the u.s. shot down a drone and 17 alleged u.s. spies. and then things seemed to quiet down until december 27th when a u.s. civilian contractor was killed and several others were injured in a rocket attack. that led to the u.s. bombing five sites in iraq and syria, killing 25 militia men, leading two ma lish sa backed protesters
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storming the u.s. embassy in baghdad. then the strike that killed qassem soleimani. iran conducted a missile strike on bases that housed americans. during that streak, government officials have admitted to mistakingly shooting down a jet liner killing all 176 people onboard. the trump administration also announced new sanctions on iran on friday. and we're going to start there. joining us now the former chief of staff for colin powell and former u.s. negotiator for iran. welcome you both and we appreciate you joining us both this evening. many people have said basically that this confrontation began in may of 2018 when president trump decided to pull out of the jcpoa. we heard from prime minister theresa may, angela merkel all
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issues a statement together saying the three european leaders said together we emphasize our continuing commitment to the jcpoa. this agreement remains important for our shared security. do you agree with that? >> i do. they're just recognizing the fact for the first time in the 40 years that i have been dealing with iran as military professional, diplomat and academic, we finally had achieved some talks, some talks that produced results, results that, like most deals between two highly antagonistic partners, if you will, aren't great, but they work. and that's what the jcpoa was, the nuclear agreement. it was a deal that worked and it worked with regard to the most dangerous aspect of what iran could do, developing nuclear weapons. but it had another component. and that was that we agreed we would go on to another talks. we would keep negotiating about ballistic missiles, about terrorism and israel and so
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forth, all the points that we in the george w. bush administration had developed were we ever to enter talks. so this was a very dangerous move and these new sanctions, these new sanctions are aimed at two things. one, getting iran to withdraw from this agreement entirely. and that means real danger with regard to the nuclear weapons program. and making sure that a new president should one come in in november can't do anything about it. >> hillary, let me also play for you this sound bite both from president trump talking about the recent threat and the recent escalation that he considered to be eminent against american embassies in the region followed by his own defense secretary mark esper earlier saying he did not see something similar in terms of the evidence. watch this. >> did they have large scale attacks planned for other embassies? and if those were planned, why can't we reveal that to the american people? wouldn't that help your case?
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>> i can reveal that i belief it would have been four embassies, and i think that probably baghdad already started. they were really amazed that we came in with that kind of a force. we came in with very powerful force and drove them out. you know, that ended almost immediately. but baghdad certainly would have been. could have been military bases. could have been a lot of other things, too. but it was eminent and then all of a sudden, he was gone. >> okay. what about the intelligence? was there specific intelligence the iranians were plotting to target four u.s. embassies? >> there was intelligence there was an attempt to target the u.s. embassy in baghdad. what the president said with regard to the four embassies is what i believe as well. he said he believed that they probably, that they could have been targeting the embassies in the region. i believe that as well as did other national security team members. that is why i deployed thousands of additional para troopers to the region to reinforce our
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embassy in baghdad and other areas throughout the region. >> many members of congress from both parties have said none of the briefings mentioned threats to four u.s. embassies. why is president trump telling this to fox news but the administration is not briefing congress on this threat of four embassies, unless there was actually no specific intelligence that there was a threat to four embassies? >> the president never said there was specific intelligence to four embassies. >> he said he believed it. >> and i believed it, too. >> because intelligence and the significance of a possible attack has become so central in all of this, from your position and your vantage point in where you sat before the negotiating table, do you believe this administration is using faulty intelligence to try to make the claim it should go to direct military confrontation with iran? >> it's very hard to read direct intelligence. faulty intelligence was used to get us into a war with iraq, to
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overthrow saddam hussein's government when it was a disastrous war and a decision to go to war for the united states. i'm concerned there is a similar dynamic here to villify various figures on the iranian side, whether it's general soleimani or others, to villify them to bring us closer to the brink of war with iran, which i think would be even more disastrous. it is a country three times the size of iraq, and it certainly will be a hard eer country to dl with. >> what do you see as the differences between the obama maryland min strags's approach. >> at its core, president obama understood that iran is the natural power in the middle east. in a lot of senses, it is the natural in the middle east. with that understanding, there are two ways to deal with iran, to make a deal wit, work with it
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where you can, and a lot of ways the way president nixon chose to deal with china, to open up to china, not to embrace communist china but to understand it is important to work with such an important power. i think president obama understood that part. for trump, he's left with the obama legacy. how do you deal with this incredibly important power of iran without validating president obama's legacy and without alienating some of your constituencies here in the united states. that domestic prism has driven so much of trump's decision-making and seen it zigzag all over the place in a way that doesn't look coherent, but i think for the trump administration, it is very -- it's decisively taken to garner support from important constituencies here in the united states and from important allies in the region like saudi arabia, united arab emirates and israel. >> thank you both very much for your time this evening.
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deal with iran, the iranian regime abdul reza shahlai has responded with measures. this is one of the responses taking place on the one-year anniversary of president trump's announcement that the u.s. was crawing from the de i withdrawing from the deal. the remainder of the month saw attacks by iranian-backed militias. when they shot down a military drone back in 2019, both the u.s. and iran confirmed the incident. the u.s. claimed it was flying over international waters. while iran said it was in iranian air space. two days later, iran ordered the execution of a defense ministry contractor it convicted of spying for the cia. >> at the same time, iran was also asserting its influence in the middle east through engagement in proxy wars, lending support to a civil war
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with the yemen's saudi-backed government forces in syria. amid these shadow wars across the region, iranian backed militant carried out attacks in eastern saudi arabia in mid-september. u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo quickly blamed iraq for the attack, allegations their regime denied. during the months following the strikes, the u.s. engaged in a tit for tat that saw them gaining small jags but the next came in the end of december, killing a u.s. contract r and wounded several american service members and iraqi personnel. the u.s. responded with what it called defensive strikes on sites in iraq and syria belonging to groups supported by iran. protestered stormed the u.s. embassy in baghdad on new year's eve prompting the u.s. to send
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in troops to stabilize that situation. the next week president trump gave the order to kill qassem soleimani, the man in charge of orchestrating many of these shadow wars throughout the middle east. u.s.' decision to assassinate qassem soleimani drew international condemnation as they would abandon limits of urani uranium enrichment. >> but the weekend, the tides within iran have been shifting. the streets filled with protesters demanding that he step down. they are reacting that its military mistakingly shot down a passenger jet killing all 176 people onboard. prior to its admission on saturday, the regime denied
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shooting it down. as we have been speaking about, it was the moment in which the president pulled out in may of 2018, out of the jcpoa, which stepped up the conflict between iran and the united states. at what point do you think from iran's perspective was the moment in which they stepped up the confrontation from their actions. >> i think a year after that. as the iranians said, the europeans went to them and said, look, trump has withdrawn from this deal. we will try to make it right for you. we will make sure you get the benefits that you were expecting to get with all these restrictions you put on your nuclear program there were supposed to be real economic benefits. we suffered under sanctions for many years and the people had suffered. so they said, hold on. don't withdraw. don't do anything. and iran said, okay, we'll wait for you guys to come back to us and tell us what you are going to do. frustration started to build. and this is in 2018.
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in 2019, a year later, frustrations started to build to the point where they said, okay, we're going to go through the jcpoa and look at all the options that we have. one of the options is in paragraph 36. we can reduce some of our commitments and still be in the deal. now, you europeans tell us what you are going to do. we're going to do this every two months. and they did do it every two months and they kept saying how are you going to compensate for us not having any money or not getting the economic benefits? there is almost an embargo on our oil. we can't do any banking business with anybody. so they started stepping up various kinds of actions, not just in the jcpoa, but as we saw some other actions that the u.s. claims are destabilizing or aggressive. but you have to remember that under the obama administration, at least since 2013 when the nuclear negotiations began, there was none of this. there were no attacks on american soldiers anywhere in
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the region by iranian proxies or anything. there was no aggression. there was one time when u.s. sailors ventured into iranian water if you remember during the iran nuclear deal while the negotiations were in the implementation, i believe. and john kerry called the iranian foreign minister and said, hey, we got to solve this and 24 hours later the guys were free, even though they admitted they had ventured into iranian waters. so there was no aggressive action by iran during that period. >> give us a sense of what is the iranian security doctrine in the region? we understand that america has red lines, no new clear weapons for iran. they say iran supports terrorism and they are in all these civil wars. what is iran's perspective in terms of how it is projecting its security across the region with these acts that some consider to be nefarious and terrorist oriented. >> you have to remember that iran suffered under the revolution an eight-year war with saddam hussein at one of
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their weakest moments. they had gone into exile or found themselves under arrest. saddam hussein said, okay, i can take tehran in a week. the entire world except for one country supported saddam hussein's invasion of tehran. so syria is the only arab country that came to iran's side. the only country in the world that came to iran's side. even the russians, the americans were helping saddam hussein. as kissen ger said at the time, he wished both sides would lose. it was a stalemate for eight years. a million people died. iran decided at that time they were never going to let that happen again. so on either side of them, surrounded by what could be perceived as enemies, suni extremists on the left and on the right of iran, to the east and west of iran and in the persian gulf states, again,
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people that were antagonistic mainly because of its shiaa expansionists ie deologys. they decided they will have influence in those countries, and we helped that by getting rid of the taliban which was one big enemy on your flank and getting rid of saddam hussein. they saw an opportunity to cultivate the shiaa's, which they did. syria is a different story. that's also part of their influence across the region into lebanon where they supported hezbollah. again, the ties are very close from a religious standpoint, as you know. so, yeah, their doctrine is mainly they claim it is defensive. but it is in some ways, the iranian people see it as defense. they saw he was fighting isis, for example, which actually did penetrate iran and conduct an
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attack on their parliament and killed some of their people in iran. again, soleimani had a different kind of reputation than other irgc commanders would have. >> all right. always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> appreciate it. coming up, is america safer or less safe with president trump at the helm directing u.s. foreign policy with iran? we'll be right back. adventure. to reconnect and be together. and once we did that, we realized his greatest adventure is just beginning. (vo) welcome to the most adventurous outback ever. the all-new subaru outback.
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welcome back. u.s. relations with iran are more tense than afterafter president trump's decision to kill iranian general qassem soleimani. conflict between the two countries is nothing new. for more than six decades, the countries have rarely seen eye to eye and the infamous hostage crisis. iranian history was changed forever due to u.s. and british intelligence allies. they angered the british, an entry that the british dominated. they accused him of being a communist. under dwight eisenhower, they or
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kes traited a coup where they agreed to overthrow him. it left all power to the shaw who vowed cooperation with the two nations on oil and discouraged the expansion of communism in that country. in the years after the coup, the u.s. and iran under sole control of the shaw were actually allies. the two nation agreed to a k civilian nuclear agreement. the u.s. effectively helped iran create its own nuclear program with the intention of helping the nation use nuclear power for energy and peaceful purposes. they provideed them. >> but the good graces between the countries broke down. over a decade later, the shaw's fave
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fave raability declined. they were in the throws of the islamic resolutions with months of protests led by the country's senior, forcing the shaw to leave the country. a prominent religious leader returned to iran after being exiled and proclaimed an islamic republic on november 4th, 1979, relations between the two countries came to a head. iranian college students stormed the american embassy in tehran and took 90 people hostage, including 66 americans. all in all 52 american diplomats and citizens were held for a total of 444 days. then jimmy carter responded with economic and diplomatic pressure, cutting off sales of iranian oil and issuing the united states first ever sanctions on iran, freezing billions in iranian assets held in the united states. during the americans' time in
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captivity, president carter cut diplomatic ties with iran, announced further sanctions and ordered the failed rescue mission eagle claw that resulted in the deaths of eight u.s. servicemen. the hostage crisis came to a close on january 20th, 1981 after carter lost his bid for re-elections and the two nations came to an agreement. the 52 americans were released during the newly elected president ronald reagan's inaugural address. >> hostilities grew worse. during the '80s, the u.s. imposed additional sanctions against iran for its support of regional groups committing acts of terrorism. in 1984, the u.s. designated iran a state sponsor of terrorism following the bombing of a u.s. marine barracks in lebanon, triggers for sanctions that included a ban on arm sales to iran. in 1986, revelations emerge of what is to become of the iran-contra scandal.
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officials in reagan's administration were violating the arms embargo were shipping weapons to iran. another misstep in 1988 when an american warship shot down an iranian passenger plane believing it was a fighter jet owned by the iranian air force. all 290 on the plane were killed. but the united states never formally apologized. during the 1990s, the clinton administration supported iran of supporting terrorism and seeking nuclear arms and issued more sanctions that further impacted trade and iran's oil industry. in 2002, months after the september 11th attacks, president george w. bush denounced iran as the axis of evil. fears at an all-time high throughout the 2000s. years of the u.s. trying to get iran to come to the table and
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limit their nuclear activities finally came to fruition under the obama administration. in 2015, they agreed to the jcoa that could curb iran's nuclear work. but in 2018, president trump withdrew from the deal. so now that we're up to speed, let's take it over to allie. >> what a remarkable history that you gave us. and remember that you started with a conversation about oil with mohamed in 1953 and it has continued to be about energy in iran. for more than four decades the united states has used economic sanctions as a way to try to change iran's behavior. let's talk about how those sanctions began. you mentioned 1979 and jimmy carter and what effect it had on the country. the first ever u.s. sanctions on iran were imposed by president jimmy carter after the start of the iran hostage crisis in 1979.
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now from 1979 to 2007, they were roughly in place. but between 2007 and 2013, the sanctions were tightened as concerns grew that iran was taking that nuclear capability meant for civilian energy and turning it into a weapons program. iran found some relief for sanctions after it agreed to the 2015 nuclear deal which we have been referring to as the jcpoa. but president trump pulled out of that in 2018. most of the sanctions were reinstated, not all of them. now, when we talk about sanctions on iran, there are four main areas targeted. oil and gas exports, which are crucial to iran and its economy because it is dominated by oil and gas production. banking and finance is a big deal. multiple iranian banks have been prohibited from accessing the global system of transferring money, which makes trade almost impossible.
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iran's weapons proliferation and nuclear program have also been subject to harsh sanctions to try and limit threats from the country. but let's specifically go back to what we were talking about. the powerhouse that is or at least was iran's crude oil exports. the country has some of the world's largest deposits of oils and natural gas reserves. its oil exports fund 50% of iran's revenues. in 2018, iran averaged 1.8 million barrels per day of crude oil exports. by 2019 with the sanctions back on, the amount per day fell to just 500,000 barrels. the united states policy of putting maximum pressure on iran by using sanctions has crippled the country's economy over time, leading iran into a recession. the country's gdp shrunk by 9.5% last year, and that's as the country saw its currency go into a free fall against other
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currencies. gas subsidies have disappeared. unemployment has risen to 17% at a time when the cost of living continues to rise. and that is the story with iran's economy. at the moment while people may be very upset in iran about the killing of general soleimani or the behavior of the iranian administration, the bottom line is many iranians are largely concerned with what everybody else in the world, and is ththa the economy and how they survive in it. >> want to bring in our panel. let's talk about some of these sanctions are affecting iranians inside that country now. as we well know, much of the strife, much of the protests that we have been seeing is because of these crippling
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economic sanctions. talk us through what life is like in iran. >> well, let's just be clear. the protests are definitely, they have an economic undertone, but they're also very political because iranians, although the sanctions have affected their lives, they also see the corruption and the mismanagement of their own government responsible for the economic situation that' they're in. inflation rates have been going high in iran. there is a chunk of the middle class that's basically been pushed down below what's considered a classic middle class in iran with people's every day lives being affected, the price of every day goods like food, other commodities and also depending on what economic class you are looking at, if it is a middle class family, they're going to be concerned in how to pay for their kids' education or if they can take a family vacation every year anymo
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anymore. depending on what portion of the society you look at, everyone seems to have been affected by sanctions except maybe a top minority, a lead who have been benefitting from sanctions who have, you know, been welcoming this type of economic situation. but then the majority are definitely suffering the situation that the iranian economy is in. >> we just did a deep dive of the history between the u.s. and iran. there is a lot of mistrust between the two countries. we have been talking a lot in this country about the fact this may trigger an all-out war. if you have lived through the past 40 years with these type of economic sanctions, this has been launched on americans. iranians have seen themselves as a result of all of these sanctions at war with the united states. >> i think that's absolutely right. i think that when we look at sanctions, you know, like any other issue, history is determined by when you start the clock. if we just look at the new sanctions that have been escalating recently and the new ones just announced yesterday,
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we see one set of sanctions. when we talk about sanctions, well, they are against the banking industry, the oil industry, it makes it sound quite abstract. but for ordinary people, these sanctions take lives. there have been reports of people dying in iraq because they can't get access to specific medicines that are needed. we know from earlier examples of sanctions in iraq, for example, which is different than the sanctions in iran, but there is a model there. after six years of sanctions, only six years, and they went on for 12 years, but after six years of sanctions, madeleine albright spoke about the fact there had been 500,000 children in iraq that had died as a result of u.s. imposed sanctions down through the united nations. and she said we think the price is worth it. clearly people in iraq did not think the price was worth it and it did not have any of the consequences the u.s. thought it would lead to. when we look at what's going on now, the notion that somehow
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imposing these crippling sanctions, destroying the economy, taking away any hope for the future for young iranians, and this is a very young population, it is a population of 80 million people and they're very, very young. they're looking for jobs and what their future is going to be and they're seeing nothing. they're seeing that the united states has gone to war with them. as you say, sanctions are an act of war. they're not an alternative to war. there is a reason in the united states charter sanctions are in the same section as the use of military force. the requirements are different. i'm not saying they're exactly the same. but the alternative to war is not sanctions. the alternative to war is diplomacy. and the sanctions make diplomacy almost impossible to negotiate. >> yeah. and we'll see if diplomacy is in the future between the relations of these countries, the united states and iran. thank you all. coming up, how the u.s. and iran can coexist in the wake of
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the u.s. has a complicated relationship with iran that has twists and turns with every sitting american president. and sometimes rhetoric is just as important as the substance of the policies the u.s. chooses to
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pursue. >> let's take a look back starting from president george w. bush to president obama to our current president. >> iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the iranian people's hope for freedom. they support terror. the iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax and nerve gas and nuclear weapons for over a decade. states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil. by seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regime pose a grave and growing danger. >> for the sake of israel's security, america's security and the peace and security of the world, now is not the time for bluster. now is the time to let our
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increased pressure sink in and to sustain the broad international coalition we have built. now is the time to heed the timeless advice from teddy roosevelt, speak softly, carry a big stick. >> they kill our people. they blow up our people. then we have to be very gentle with their cultural institutions, but i'm okay with it. it's okay with me. i will say this. if iran does anything that they shouldn't be doing, they're going to be suffering the consequences and very strongly. i'm your mother in law.
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[tina] you're an old lady. there is no way at all that the world is safer, that the united states is safer, that the region is safer with the steps this president has taken to create a crisis that didn't have to happen. president trump has taken the situation where the world got a nuclear weapon off the table, and where we actually had the verification capacity to make sure it stayed off the table, or else. that was there. and we had the support of the world in doing that. >> former secretary of state john kerry saying there is no way america is safer once the
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trump administration made the decision last week to kill general qassem soleimani. but in the past few days, the tensions between the u.s. and iran seem to have settled a bit. somewhat allowing americans a collective sigh of relief. >> as a former state department official put it in an op-ed, the lull in hostilities between the two countries could simply be escalation in disguise. meanwhile, in an attempt at diplomacy yesterday, german chancellor angela merkel urged all parties back to the bargaining table to renegotiate the iran nuclear deal. however, it's very hard to see how that will come after the events of the past ten days. >> so how will the united states and iran plus all of their allies coexist in the wake of this international catastrophe? joining us to discuss this former u.s. ambassador to the united nations nancy sotoberg. let me first ask you by asking you the way forward from here. a lot of people may be looking at this, particularly those who are trying to draw iran back to the negotiating table, including members of this administration
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who think that is still possible. do you see a way forward by which iran could ever come back and trust an american administration and negotiate with them? >> well, i think first of all, the world has breathed a sigh of relief that both sides have decided to step back and de-escalate. we're horrified at the shootdown of the civilian aircraft by the iranian military. and that has throne the attention back on the iranian regime and the focus on the horrible nature of that regime. i think for right now the tensions are calm. but since president trump withdrew from the iran missile -- iran nuclear deal in may of 2018, we've been on this escalatory cycle from the drone to the killing of an american why thor in december and the tit for tat with the attacks, and
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finally a pause. what we don't know is, is it a pause that will give openings to new diplomacy or is it a pause until the escalation just springs? the killing of soleimani did not end the planning of the iranians against the united states, so i think what we all hope happens now is that we begin to re-start the negotiations and see how we can lower the tensions all around. it's what angela merkel, our other allies are strongly urging us. the president has said that we want to make sure that we contain iraq, confront iraq where it threatens us and make sure it never gets a nuclear weapon. those are laudable goals that i think all americans would support, but how do we get there? pulling out of an agreement that kept iran from getting a nuclear weapon has complicated matters and iran has now said, well, we're not bound by that agreement, so they are beginning to break out of that agreement and enrich uranium again.
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it could give them a bomb within a year or two. we don't know exactly the state. so what i think the president's choices are, do we lower the volume or do we increase the sanctions, increase the pressure on iranians which will force them to break out again. and that's the dilemma that is before us. which way will make us safer, i personally think we ought to keep the pressure on iran, but eventually get back to the table. we're ten months out from an election. i don't see the iranians really fully engaging with this president unless the allies really come up with -- pull a rabbit out of their hat which is highly unlikely. so i think we're in for more tensions the rest of the year with iran. hopefully none that involve the loss of american lives. but look at where we are now. we have a civilian airliner down. we have tens of thousands of more troops going to the united states, we're isolated from our allies and on a hair razor's
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edge with conflict with iran. it's a dangerous situation. so i think it merits caution and more coherent policy coming from the united states on what is the path forward. and can we get our allies back together so that iran is the one that's isolated, not the united states. >> ambassador, you point out you believe iran won't come to the table with this administration in place, i.e., diplomacy going forward at least for the next ten months is likely not going to happen. do you expect the iranians being able to or wanting to sit down with another administration considering what took place in the jcpoa, the fact it was signed under the obama administration and the trump administration pulled out of it? >> well, first of all, i didn't mean there would be no negotiations. i think there are already back channels. we use the swiss to have back channel conversations. that was clearly happening the last couple days. the iranians said this is our response, we're not doing any more, enable the president to step down and de-escalate the situation. i hope we can sit down and talk through a more rational policy
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between the u.s. and iran in that region, one that defends our allies, protects our troops and de-escalates this. the idea that the iranians would sit down and renegotiate a nonnuclear deal the president has laid out i don't think is realistic. >> nancy soterberg, thank you very much. >> you can catch us bright and early at 4:00 a.m. with morning joe for a first look. whatever happens out there today, remember, you have the hilton app.
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