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we're approaching the top of the hour, which means i'm out of time. i'm alex witt, i'm taking my mug, and i'm leaving this studio. >> time to go, oyeoman's work. i'm david gura at msnbc headquarters in new york. last ditch efforts in iowa, the democratic candidates on the campaign trail in the hawkeye state with just two days to go before caucus goers weigh in, and there is some new controversy today about an old story. well, the impeachment trial of donald trump continues, closing arguments and a final vote in the senate sandwiched in between the president's state of the union address scheduled to take place on tuesday. the u.s. now sounding the alarm on the coronavirus, another new case confirmed in the commonwealth of massachusetts as the federal government declares a public health emergency. as i said, what's old is new
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again, the fight between bernie sanders and hillary clinton has resurfaced in this campaign cycle. this campaign event in iowa, michigan congressman rashida tlaib was on stage with her colleagues, ilhan omar of minnesota, let's take a look at that exchange. >> iowa, we have three days. i don't remember if you guys remember last week when someone by the name of hillary clinton said that nobody -- we're not going to boo, we're not going to boo. we're classy here. >> no, i'll boo. boo. you all know i can't be quiet. no, we're going to boo. that's all right. the haters will shut up on monday when we win. >> there we go. >> the haters will shut up on monday when we win. congresswoman talib issuing a statement today about what she said and that booing, tweeting in part, i allowed my disappointment with secretary clinton's latest comments about senator sanders and his supporters get the best of me. you all my sisters in service on
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stage and our movement deserve better. a a spokesman for hillary clinton released a statement as well. it reads in part, i can't imagine this kind of behavior is something iowans want to see from their candidates and their surrogates. he continues and i don't imagine the vast majority of voters in congressman talib's district which secretary clinton won in 2016 want to see this either. to iowa now where we find shaq brewster in des moines with senator sanders' campaign. what are we hearing from the campaign today? again, a statement from the surrogate, a statement from the woman who was invoked, hillary clinton on behalf of that former candidate by her spokesman nick mer merrill. >> reporter: excuse the fire engine or fire horn that i'm competing with right now, but i'll tell you that senator sanders' campaign manager actually responded and quote tweeted rashida tlaib's statement. he said rashida you're all good. we love your passion and
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conviction. don't change. that was to her comment walking back those remarks from last week. this is not what senator sanders' campaign wants to be discussing right now in these closing days to the iowa caucuses. senator sanders has been in washington, d.c. for many of these past few days as he's been surging in the polls, not able to take advantage of that here on the ground. that's what he's trying to do right now. he's having a town hall. they're all here talking -- they're acting as surrogates for him at this event. they're trying to keep the message and the focus on president donald trump, and that's what we just came out to talk to you, but when senator sanders started his remarks, that's where his remarks were focused on fully, taking on donald trump, making that electability message to the voters here. in the past week we've seen senator sanders really take some incoming fire not only from hillary clinton and that's what led to this latest scuffle but from outside groups. here in iowa he's faced over $700,000 in negative tv ads, ads
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that not only went after his policies but also mentioned his health, his age and mentioned his heart attack for example. there are a lot of variables at play. this race continues to be very close. you see senator sanders trying to avoid that back and forth between hillary clinton and his surrogates and trying to stay on his core message with these just two days to go until iowa caucuses. >> shaq brewster competing with the din of that fire alarm in des moines for us. appreciate the reporting. senator sanders' campaign continues its final push in iowa before monday. the other top contender there, joe biden is doing the same, but it seems as though the former vice president is also focused on future races. let's take a listen to the latest from him. >> i think we're going to do well here. i think it's going to be really tight no matter how it works out, it's been bunched up, and -- but i said from the
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beginning, i expect to do well. i probably shouldn't tell you that, but i expect to do well, but i view this as, you know -- i really mean it. i think the two caucuses and the two first primaries, i view them as a package, and how you come out of there i think is going to determine what your shots are. >> my colleague mike memoli is covering the biden campaign for us in north liberty, iowa, today. we heard from shaq mentioning surrogat surrogates. that has been more essential for candidates who have been detained in washington, d.c. that said joe biden has new surf gat ga surf gas the as well, gary lock joining the ranks of the joe biden campaign. >> reporter: that's right, david, we're keeping count of just how many former obama administration cabinet officials have endorsed him, lock being the eighth. with biden stressing his
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connections to the former president, those matter here. we should also mention today here in north liberty in the last hour he was joined by former secretary of state john kerry. kerry has been campaigning across iowa separately from the vice president joining him today. he actually spoke after biden, which is something we've seen happen here at these events. interesting, though, kerry was talking about some of the attacks that have been coming from republicans, from the white house, the fact that joe biden has been wrapped up in this whole impeachment process. we've also seen joe biden we're finding his own stump speech in the closing days, even with about 55 hours until those caucus sites open. he talked for the first time about the coronavirus talking about how president trump, the lack of credibility he has on the world stage is going to hurt the u.s.'s ability to marshal the kind of response we need. we also heard him making a sharper contrast with his rivals on the issue of health care. lets take a listen. >> promises aren't enough. there's an old saying, talk is cheap. well, in politics, talk is
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sometimes very expensive, especially if you don't tell people how you're going to pay for it and who's going to have to pay for what you're proposing. i want to make progress on health care, but i'm the only one, only one with more than a plan. i have done it before. >> reporter: his contrasts on health care with bernie sanders is one that biden has relished throughout this campaign, but you talk about some of the back and forth that shaq was discussing with hillary clinton reviving the old debate with bernie sanders, i asked joe biden earlier this week, could the party rally around, unite behind bernie sanders, he said we have to but he's worried about the tone of this campaign. >> mike, thank you very much. i appreciate it. what's arguably the most important vote in the impeachment trial of president donald trump is done and gone, and today there is little doubt how the rest of the proceeding is going to play out. the senate last night all but guaranteeing president trump's acquittal voting 51-49 against allowing additional witnesses to
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testify. senators mitt romney and susan collins were the two republicans who voted against their party and a few other republicans who voted with their party made some statements saying they still believe the president crossed the line. >> even if everything that the house has alleged is accepted as true, number one, removing the president is not a last resort. we have an election in november, which is a far better and a lot less damaging remedy. >> i agree he did something inappropriate, but i don't agree he did anything akin to treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. i i think there's a big gap there. >> the senior senator from tennessee, senator rob portman issued this statement before he voted no on witnesses. quote, i believe that some of the president's actions in this case -- including asking a foreign country to investigate a potential political opponent and the delay of aid to ukraine were wrong and inappropriate, he writes, but i do not believe that the president's actions rise to the level of removing a duly elected president from office. all this comes as we continue to learn more about an unpublished
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manuscript by former national security adviser john boltobolt. my colleague garrett haake joining us now from capitol hill. he spent an awful lot of time over there over the last few weeks. time for you to take a breath and regroup. we're going to see closing statements and debate. walk us through where this stands and what's going to happen next. >> reporter: sure, as you pointed out in the intro, most of the drama is now behind us with that vote on witnesses. the president will be acquitted. there is some question of whether any democrats might vote for his acquittal. there are a handful of moderate or endangered democrats who might feel it's in their best political interests to vote in favor of that acquittal. the senate is off today and tomorrow. they'll be back in monday morning where they will hear closing arguments from those house managers and from president trump's defense team. then they'll enter two days of deliberations, which in this case is code senate speak for speechifying. senators will have an opportunity to take to the floor
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and defend the decisions that they have come to over these last several weeks. ahead of that vote on wednesday evening around 4:00 as scheduled, i would not be surprised to see that slide a little bit because this is united states senate. of course, in between now and then we've got the iowa caucus and the state of the union tuesday night, which could be really -- you know, it's always a bit of a spectacle, but it could have even more of a, you know, sort of strange undertones given the political dynamic here at the moment. >> quick question here, garrett. i read carl huls's comment for the "new york times," a long time capital correspondent for the "new york times." he wrote a bit about these republican senators. he said they now see their fortunes and futures intertwined with the presidents and they are not willing to rock the 2020 vote. speak to that if you would, the greater import of that vote that took place on whether there would be additional witnesses or evidence in this trial. >> an excellent column, and we saw this starting to come into play early on in the trial when senators who were up for re-election in purple and blue states all started to come out
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and say they would not support the call for witnesses and started to behave in many ways more and more like president trump. the thrust of the piece, and it's something we've absolutely seen happen here in the senate, and i think we'll see even more as we get closer to november, is senate republicans have now joined ntheir house counter pars by and large. within the republican party, the only move right now to assure your re-election is to hug president trump as tightly as possible. we saw that with thom tillis. we saw that with martha mcsally lashing out at a cnn reporter over a run-of-the-mill question. we saw that with cory gardner, colorado has gone increasingly blue. he too voted against witnesses, has been hugging the president very tightly. that dynamic appears to be taking over the united states senate. >> joining me and nodding to if not deferring to, one of the deans, that is garrett haake on capitol hill. thank you very much. breaking news now, we are following the coronavirus outbreak. a new case in the united states.
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it's in massachusetts. it involves a man who had recently traveled from china to the united states. that makes eight confirmed cases in the united states. the federal government on friday declaring a public health emergency. globally now, 21 countries have confirmed cases of the disease. the outbreak first reported on december the 31st in the city of wuhan, china. it quickly spread to the rest of the mainland, which now has 11,791 confirmed cases of the disease, 259 people in that country have died. joining me now is nbc news correspondent, sarah harmon who is monitoring this story. we saw members of the president's task force, a 12-member team entirely comprised of men coming out to the lectern to field questions on the strategy going forward. what is the white house saying? what is the administration saying about how they're handling this outbreak at this time? >> reporter: hey, david, the administration is taking bold new steps. first of all, they're calling
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this a public health emergency, and beginning tomorrow at 5:00 p.m., there's going to be some rather drastic measures at the border. any foreign national who has visited china in the last two weeks is not going to be able to come into the united states with a few very notable exceptions for next of kin of american citizens. it's a bold step. what we're seeing is authorities trying to get out in front of this virus before it reaches a tipping point. we're here at california at march air reserve base here behind me. this is where they're holding the almost 200 american citizens who were evacuated from the epicenter, from wuhan. they're now being held here, david. when they arrived on wednesday the expectation was this is going to be a relatively short period of quarantine. and then they'll be back off home. not anymore. now they are under a mandatory lockdown order for 14 days because authorities and health officials are telling us they don't yet fully understand how long people are contagious for and whether or not they can
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spread the virus even if they're not symptommatic. so safety first, 195 american citizens still on lockdown behind me as public health officials work to get out in front of coronavirus. an eighth case confirmed today. not great news. >> at the site of that quarantine, my colleague sarah harmon, thank you very much. new details about a spring meeting between president trump and his then national security adviser john bolton, and what's in store for bolton after he was embroiled in this impeachment saga.
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welcome back, i'm david gura. we all remember this scene, the president pointing to a clearly doctored map to show that alabama was in the path of hurricane dorian last august all to back up an incorrect tweet he'd sent out previous lit. newly released e-mails obtained by "the washington post" show a top official at the national r confirming that that map, the one you see right there had been altered. e-mails also show top officials condemning a statement that we sent out criticizing the national weather service office for contradicting the president's claims that alabama would be hit by that storm. the senate will not hear from john bolton in president trump's impeachment trial, despite even more evidence that he's got a lot to say. the "new york times" continues to release new information from the former national security adviser's unpublished manuscript about his time in the trump administration, and in it ambassador john bolton claims president trump's pressure
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campaign on ukraine began much earlier than was previously reported. the "new york times" reports, quote, president trump directed john bolton, then his national security adviser to help with his pressure campaign to extract damaging information on democrats from ukrainian officials. the article goes on to say mr. trump gave the instruction mr. bolton wrote during an oval office conversation in early may that included the acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, the president's personal lawyer, rudolph giuliani and the white house counsel pat cipollone who is now leading the president's impeachment defense. both the president and giuliani are denying that that meeting in the oval office took place. peter baker is an msnbc contributor, a correspondent for the "new york times" who contributed to that new reporting. he joins us from d.c. peter i want to say nbc hasn't yet reviewed a draft of this book. when the chairman of the intelligence committee adam schiff stood in that well of the senate yesterday thrks is what he brought up first, this piece that was in your newspaper written by your colleagues in
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the "new york times." yes, peter just the import of it if you would, peter. >> sorry, i thought we were -- my bad. so adam schiff, the lead manager gets up and the first thing he says yesterday, of course, is this information tells us a couple of things. one, it tells us there's information out there about the pressure campaign we hadn't had public before. he used that to try to argue for witnesses, argue for calling john bolton to testify. he brought up pat cipollone was in that meeting. pat cipollone was standing about 10 or 15 feet away from adam schiff as he made that comment in the well of the senate yesterday and his point being that pat cipollone is both a fact witness it seems as well as the lead defense attorney for the president, which is an unusual place for a lawyer to be. in normal court that would be kind of a conflict of interest. adam schiff was basically making that same point that pat cipollone was playing a double role here and hadn't been completely straight with the senate. if he told the senate that the president was not, you know, really trying to leverage
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ukraine into opening these investigations, then pat cipollone was right there in that meeting according to john bolton's book. the president and rudy giuliani deny it, but we have not had any denials from john bolton or mick mulvaney or pat cipollone. >> the role that john bolton is playing now and going forward. i'll read a bit from the statement that rudy giuliani, the meeting the times describes is a lie. if bolton is the source and he believed this was so bad, why didn't he quit, rudy giuliani writes. we have watched ambassador john bolton as he made his way to austin, texas, to deliver a private speech that he was paid to deliver. he may be i suppose one of the most unpopular people in washington at this point having lost friends in the republican party i imagine, having been this best hope, last best hope for the democratic party as you describe in one of your most recent pieces.
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what happens going forward here? this book set to be published in march, but it is gummed up. it is stuck in the white house under review at this point, peter. >> that's a great question. the white house has told john bolton his book is filled with classified information and he cannot publish it as it currently is. that could lead to a legal fight. we don't know how the white house will approach thris, john bolton will approach it. will they end up in court fighting over it. will he go ahead with the publication and let the white house sue him after the fact. we don't know at this point. a lot of people would like to see what's in this book including members of the house and senate, and we don't know yet. we haven't seen the whole thing. we don't know what's in it that he hasn't already come out in the press, and everybody would like to know. what he said in austin i thought was really interesting. he was asked about this, and he defended the administration officials who had gone to testify before the house saying that, you know, the idea that simply by giving their version of truth, their recollections,
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their evidence, that they were somehow being -- you know, betraying the president. that's exactly the reverse. they're doing their plublic dut. he seemed to be making the same case for himself. one question we don't know is what will happen in the house. will the house democrats after the wednesday acquittal vote reopen their investigation and call him to testify there? that's certainly a possibility. >> that's peter baker, co-author of the book "impeachment in american history" requirement for many of the senators who have been participating in this trial. thank you very much as always. the booing that is riling up the democratic presidential base. rashida tlaib encouraging voters to boo hillary clinton as old anger between the two camps resurfaces days away from the caucuses in iowa.
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welcome back, the iowa caucus just two days away, and after all the stumping, the rallying and the spending, we are about to see where each democratic presidential candidate stands heading into the first critical test. the much anticipated final poll
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comes out tonight. msnbc political editor joins us from iowa. this is the famgs poous poll, t gold standard, what are you looking for in that? this is a notoriously difficult thing to poll, isn't it? >> reporter: it is, and like you say that des moines register poll is typically the gold standard. it's been very predictive in the past, although every year is different. you can't 100% say what we're going to see tonight is what we're going to see play out on monday. number one, who's in the lead obviously, the second is how is j joe bid joe biden doing? is he right up there in the top, potentially in the lead or challenging for the lead, or is he a little bit further back in the pack? those are going to be the two big stories on monday night, the winner and how joe biden does because there's so many big expectations for vice president joe biden. he's cast himself as the electable candidate, the guy that can beat trump, the guy that can rise above the partisan rancor, even the interparty rancor and take it right to the
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president. if he does not farewell in iowa, that is going to be problematic for him going forward. it's not going to bear well for him if he does not do well here. >> beth's going to have her laptop open tonight looking for the tabs from that polling. i bet the laptop is already open. we learned how much candidates have spent in the last quarter. mike bloomberg on top, $188 million of his own money, his own fortune, followed by bernie sanders with $50 million, pete buttigieg with $34 million, elizabeth warren 33, joe biden $23 million. the money in this race, of course, important. what do you take away from those figures i just read? >> the bloomberg spending is remarkable, and it's all going into states outside of these four critical early states where the rest of the democrats are clustered. so you are seeing mike bloomberg
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starting to show up in lots of national polls because of that wave of spending, just the unending amount of ad spending going on in big states and some of those super tuesday states. out in california, texas, he's got the resources to do that obviously. he's not bothering to compete in the early four. he's sort of taking his campaign more national. we'll see what that produces. it really depends on who comes out of these early four and whether mike bloomberg feels like he's got to keep going, that he's not satisfied with whoever comes out of the early four states and he wants to sort of rise above and take it right to trump. >> his campaign likely happy with the changes to the qualifying standards for the debate that takes place. beth thu wee with us in iowa. thank you very much for that update. i appreciate it. hillary clinton is responding after tension from the 2016 democratic presidential primaries spilled over into the 2020 race. last night democratic congressman rashida tlaib campaigning for bernie sanders could not resist the urge to boo hillary clinton. she did it along with a crowd of bernie sanders supporters at a campaign event in iowa. >> when someone by the name of
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hillary clinton said that nobody -- we're not going to boo. we're not going to boo. >> we're classy here. >> no, i'll boo. boo. you all know i can't be quiet. no, we're going to boo. >> hillary clinton's spokesperson telling nbc news, quote, i can't imagine this kind of behavior is something iowans want to see from candidates and their surrogates and i don't imagine the vast majority of voters in congressman talib's district which secretary clinton won by over 60 points in 2016 want to see this either. all of this coming after a recent interview with the hollywood reporter. another interview for a podcast in which hillary clinton said nobody likes bernie sanders, nobody wants to work with him, and he gets nothing done. i have my friend danielle moody mills with me now, she's the co-host of the podcast democracyish. here we are again. >> mm-hmm. >> elections and campaigns are cyclic cyclical, but this is a story that's bubbled up time and time again. there was this interview with a hollywood reporter, another
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interview where these themes were revisited. what do you make of what happened there on stage? it was a different feel, some distance between those two. >> i have to say it was problematic, right? i think that booing hillary clinton, i think that any type of animus that you're trying to create internally should not be happening right now. i don't care whether it was a joke. i don't care whether she misspoke. i also don't think hillary clinton should have said anything about bernie sanders in this moment. why? we are living in really dangerous times. we have a president that is lawless. we have a republican senate that has stamped that lawlessness and is allowing it to go forward. has widened now the muslim ban to go across countries that are our allies, including nigeria. there are serious things that are happening in this country. we need a serious candidate, and we need democrats to come together. i don't mean mindlessly come together. let's look at who's in the white house, who is backing him in the senate. who is opt supreme court backing
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him, and think about what we need to do in the next 270-plus days. >> think of how we get angry and i think of what's been normalized as well. i know there's been a healthy debate, you heard time and time again. you still hear at president trump's rallies that cry of lock her up in reference to hillary clinton. lock him up, that's another chant. don't take what he's done, don't go down that path, don't stoop as low as he has. is this just a variation on the theme, of how we deal with anger? >> i don't know if it's possible for us to get to the level that trump has gotten to because i don't think anyone of us can go that low physically or emotionally or spiritually, so i don't want chants of lock him up. what i want are people lined up wrapping their bodies around the polls en masse and coming up in unprecedented numbers to get him out of office. that's what i want. i don't want childish bullying, i don't want chants of lock him up. i don't want any of that. what i want are people to put their passion, their anger and
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rage into getting people registered to vote. nothing else is coming to save us, no impeachment, no senate, no mueller report, no nothing. it is up to us in 2020 in november to seal the deal and get rid of donald trump. >> stay with me here, if you would. michael moore joins us now, the fi filmmaker. he was at that rally last night when this exchange took place. michael moore in des moines, iowa. thank you very much. let me ask you, first of all, what you made of that in realtime. i don't know if you were backstage or among the crowd. we've certainly seen how the fallout has been today as the clip has been played. we've seen the statements from hillary clinton's spokesman and rashida tlaib as well. how did it play in the room. speak of that that we were just speak about a moment ago. the manifestation of the anger in the room there in des moines. >> i was out there on the floor with the thousands of people there at the rally when rashida said that, and she was responding to the fact that
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people were already booing hillary before rashida said anything because that's the level of anger amongst people who want to win. hillary's comments about bernie nobody likes them. can't win. that only exists to help donald trump. maybe hillary doesn't know that, but it was divisive. it was cruel, and it was a lie. the fact is you've -- i mean, just watch the news here today. he's number one in the latest nationwide poll today. he's number one in california, number one in new hampshire, number one in iowa. he's number one with young people by like 52%. i mean, he is so beloved across this country by working people, by the middle class, by young people. he's been number one with latinos in every poll for like four or five months. he is beloved. for hillary clinton to say that, this just reminded us that we have our own 1% in the democratic party. we have our corporate democrats. we have the democrats that are
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beholden to goldman sachs were fund funded by all these large -- they're the corporate democrats. if they're here in iowa to try and ruin this so trump stays in office for four more years. they should stop, they should stop this right now because that's not -- i've been with bernie on this campaign trail for the last two weeks. he has never said a negative word about hillary clinton. in fact, in 2016 he did 39 rallies on his own for hillary. when hillary lost to barack obama in the primaries of '08 she did 12. she did 12 rallies for obama. bernie did 39. he supported her. i've never heard him say a negative word about her, and for her to make this middle school comment, nobody likes him. nobody likes him. you know, it's like really? you know, i voted for hillary clinton in the general election four years ago. this is very sad and disappointing. >> you talk about how he said no ill words. i think a lot of people focus on the silence back in 2016 and
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that 36 days he saw the writing on the wall, that he wasn't going to be the nominee and he took a lot of time before he backed hillary clinton in the election. can you understand -- can you sympathize with that at all? -- >> no. >> that this wasn't an immediate endorsement of hillary clinton back in 2016? >> what he was doing -- first of all, let's be clear, in '08 after it was very clear that hillary clinton had lost to barack obama, she would not endorse him until june, until the summer. so that's not unusual, and the reason bernie didn't endorse her until then, until the summer was because he wanted to go to that convention and make sure that the party platform represented the people in the 22 states that elected him during the primary season, and that's all he was holding out for the party to come out in favor of a $15 minimum wage, to come out in favor of these things that the party still wouldn't do in 2016,
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and he was fight ing for those things, not against hillary. one day in iowa here, it was november 4th, four days before the election in 2016, he did four cities in one day, four rallies from all the gray davenport. he ended in omaha, nebraska, on that night for hillary. so i don't want to hear any more about this. this is just this madness of -- that hillary is -- i'm sorry she lost. i want to go and tell her you won 3 million more americans wanted you instead of trump. quit trying to help trump get another four years by divisive bullying statements like the one you made. >> michael you mentioned -- i wanted to ask you here lastly. you mentioned the 1% in the democratic party as you call it. you were on the stage last night, you became very emotional and very angry as you looked at the new rules that are going to allow michael bloomberg to participate in subsequent debates. there's a write up by rye ya
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lizza, he said the sanders campaign is a bit like a bag of microwave popcorn. their project has been to keep the temperature and timing just right lest the bag burst open or light on fire. bring it full circle here to where we start, and that is the anger, the excitement and anger, that volatile mix that you have there in iowa as you approach the caucus on monday night. >> it's not the people on the stage. it's the people -- i've been here now, this is day 11 for bernie. i've been across the whole state. that anger, that dissatisfaction, not just with trump, but amongst people -- remember, trump ran against the republican party. trump was on that debate stage trashing republicans right and left. it's because the american people are fed up with the old structure, the old way, the party hacks. they don't want this anymore. and i see this now. that's why bernie is number one in these polls here and growing each day because people are fed up. they want somebody who will not
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sell out, who cannot be bought, who's going to go in there and fight for these things. he's not going to take any money from any of these wealthy -- i mean, we had a democrat running for president in just the last decade or so that is number one contributor was goldman sachs. we're done with this. those days are over. those days are over, and the people, the people are angry. they're angry because they don't have a living wage. they're angry because they think because they have obamacare they got the bronze plan and they find out that their deductible and copay and everything else, they put off going to the doctor even when they have obamacare. it's just madness. we've got to fix this. this is the time to fix this. i really -- i feel so stlorongl about this, and i'm so happy to every town i go to here, the crowds that come out for bernie, the crowds that come out wanting a different way, not wanting to be in hock after they go to
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college for the next 20 or 30 years, wanting to be able to afford day care. these things that bernie is going to fight for. we're going to elect a democratic senate. we're going to elect a democratic house. we've got 40 more aoc's running across the country this year. we're going to have a great year and it's going to shock the republican party, and donald trump, i will be there with a u-haul on january 20th to help him move. i'm just that kind of guy. >> with a u-haul in the hawkeye hat, michael moore joining us from des moines, thank you very much. danielle, a comment on what he said there. i go back to that popcorn moment. what bernie sanders campaign -- he may not have said anything negative, but you do have these moments bubbling up. >> you have these moments but we need to move past it. we have so many mor important things happening with this president, with this senate, we need to focus on that, not the squibling. >> danielle mentioned that travel ban. we'll talk about that in just a minute.
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welcome back, i'm david gura, the trump administration expanded its travel ban on friday to include six more countries, five of those six countries have large muslim populations. that means the total number of countries on the restricted travel list now stands at 13. joining me now is "new york times" homeland security correspondent, joining me from washington, d.c. today, thank you very much for being here. let's start with the importance of this. this is something that was rumored to, reported to be in the works for some time. the president adding to that
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list, nigeria, myanmar, sudan and tanzania. what are the implications of that? him doing this set to go into effect here in just a couple of weeks. >> there is varied restrictions when it comes to this. for a majority of the countries, it will impact what's known as immigrant visas. so those are visas that are issued to those who are seeking to come and reunite with their family and live in the united states or work in the united states. for two of those countries, including sudan and tanzania, it will actually impact the diversity visa lottery, and those are visas up to 50,000 are fwra granted per year. it's a lottery system, and it's meant to go to underrepresented or countries that may not -- that have people that may not have the best chance to immigrate to the united states. but what this does for those countries that have immigrant visas or for those countries that will now have restrictions on immigrant visas, what this does is it virtually bans
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immigration from those countries. >> we were talking about a b country here in particular, nigeria, among its population myanmar in recent times. what's the administration citing about the justification for this? there's what's spoken and what's unspoken. how much detail did we hear from the administration about the addition to this list? >> let's start with what the administration said yesterday to reporters. and what they've been saying. they have said this is a national security concern. they have said that these countries have not risen to the standards expected of the united states when this comes to information sharing requirements, having updated passport systems such as electronic passport systems, the ability to replace missing passports or that there is a concern of terrorism in these countries. now, when you -- when you take that explanation, you have to look at what we just talked about. this does not actually impact non-immigrant visas.
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non-immigrant visas are issued from those who seek to visit the united states, and many people that i've talked to have questioned if this is really a national security concern, then why are these restrictions only limited to visas for those seeking to live in the united states. and by the way, those people are vetted much more thoroughly than those seeks to visit the united states. >> thank you very much for the reporting. we're seeing here the legacy of that supreme court decision from back in june of 2018 as we see this next stage taking place, to take effect on february 22nd later this month. thank you so much for the reporting. i appreciate it. two impeachment cases decades apart. we'll talk about the key differences between them next. ♪won't wait, we're taking everything we wanted we can do it♪ ♪all strength, no sweat americans come to to compare and save on loans, credit cards and
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i believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end. one year of watergate is enough. >> president richard millhouse nixon in his 1974 state of the union address trying to dismiss the scandal that would ultimately lead him to resign from office. given president trump's expected senate acquittal this coming week, nixon will remain the only president to end up leaving
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office due to impeachment, and he did not even face a trial quitting before it came to that. presidents andrew johnson, bill clinton and now barring something unforeseen as i said, donald trump all survived the process. jill wine-banks has had a front row seat for nixon administration, she writes about that in a new book called the watergate girl. great so' you, i'm going to play one more bit of tape here, three years after that clip we heard of president nixon, this is president nixon talking about the circumstances he was under vis-a-vis impeachment. lets take a listen. >> well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. >> when the president does it, that means this is not illegal. square that with what we heard this week, what we saw this week, what we're likely to see this week when that final vote takes place in the u.s. senate. a whole new kind of carte blanche being given to presidents. >> first of all, david, i love your new times so congratulations on that, and i was hoping you would pray that
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clip because that is what has led to the dershowitz argument, basically the same thing. if the president does it, it's not illegal. the president has total power and can do anything he wants, and that is just a danger for america. it makes the president a king a and a monarch. it makes it an authoritarian rule without any accountability or limits. it is a danger to democracy. it it's really terrible. >> you were listening as i was to pat cipollone and the president's legal team talking at times about what happened with president clinton and nixon. those were impeachments brought forward in a spirit of bipartisanship, the likes of what we didn't see this time around. how much should we make of that? how resonant was that argument? these times are different from what they were in the late '90s or the 1970s? >> well, the world is different now. first of all, the fact that pat cipollone is making an argument
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at all on the floor of the senate when he is a fact witness in this case is in any other courtroom would be a conflict of interest that would have him out of that courtroom. so he shouldn't be making any comments. but, yes, we are in a different world. we had three networks back then, and they all had the same factsmefacts. now we live in an alternative universe where i believe one set of facts, you believe probably that same set of facts, but if i was watching fox news i would think that there is a totally different set of facts. and that's a danger. we have the same money involved now because all of the watergate legislation that improved campaign finance have been obliterated by citizens united, and so there's too much money affecting this and there's too much gerrymander districts which mane peop mean people don't have to compromise. yes, back then the republicans supported articles of impeachment.
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it was a bipartisan vote. this actually too because amash is actually a republican who was thrown out of the party because he wouldn't support the president's total power. and so it is bipartisan in that respect, and you did have two republicans who were brave enough to stand up and say they wanted witnesses, but then backed off when asked about specific witnesses. so that was a meaningless vote, and having no witnesses when they're in our face is wrong. we need the witnesses. >> jill, it's always lovely to talk to you. her new book is called "the watergate girl." i urge you all to check it out. when we come back, the final countdown to iowa. we're going to check in with our road warriors across the hawkeye state. that's coming up next. g up nextx is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away
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hi, i'm david gura. all eyes are on iowa this weekend as we round out the final two days before the country's first in the nation caucuses. the latest polling shows it's going to be a close race on monday night. the "new york times" sienna college poll shows bernie sanders in the lead, pete buttigieg, joe biden and elizabeth warren are not far behind. a monmouth poll shows joe biden in the lead with bernie sanders, pete buttigieg, covering the candidates final rallies and campaigns and town hall events before monday night. vaughn hillyard in diersville iowa, alley vitale in cedar rapids covering senator warren, shaq, let me start with you if i
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could. i want to ask you about that moment getting so much attention today, that moment i discussed with michael moore, a bernie sanders surrogate a little while ago. that's congresswoman rashida tlaib at a bernie sanders rally last night in clive, iowa. >> iowa, we have three days, i don't know if you guys remember last week when someone by the name of hillary clinton said that nobody -- we're not going to boo. we're not going to boo. we're classy here. >> no, no, i'll boo. boo. you all know i can't be quiet. no, we're going to boo. that's all right. the haters will shut up on monday when we win. >> there we go. >> shaq, i know you were there for the singer song writer who performed after that. it was so interesting to hear from michael moore a few moments ago, talking about that anger, that outrage. what is the campaign saying
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about this again as we look at polling numbers here from sienna college and the "new york times" putting bernie sanders at 25%. i imagine that's what they want the headline to be. that's what they want everyone to be leading with today. >> that's exactly what they prefer to be talking about, the good news of the campaign. this is senator sanders' first time back in iowa. he's been for the past week in washington, d.c. on that impeachment trial. they want to be focusing on that rather than the comments from congresswoman talib. that of course is getting a lot of attention and play online. i think it speaks to the frustration among some sanders' supporters. what you have is a candidate, bernie sanders and they're frustrated about the fact that you have secretary hillary clinton coming after them from what they feel. they want to be able to go out, they want to be able to fight back and focus on this election rather than what happened in 2016. so for most supporters you have on twitter, for example, folks coming back saying, hey, this is something that we're glad someone's saying that. they're standing with rashida tlaib. you heard those comments from michael moore and that comment
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being matched on his twitter feed, for example. i'll tell you, this is something that the sanders campaign is trying to brush past. senator sanders wrapped up an event here. he didn't really address it. he was focused on donald trump. that's where the main message is. that's part of his closing pitch that he believes he's the most electable candidate to take on donald trump, and it starts with potentially winning on monday. >> i know that senator sanders picked up an important doorsment in iowa today, a state legislature throwing his support behind the senator from vermont. in the 20, 30 seconds we have here, explain why that's so important, why he's so happy to get that endorsement. >> a really coveted endorsement here, african-american has been in the legislature since 2007, one of the things with senator sanders, he has a lot of support and he's been highlighting his diverse group of supporters, alexandria ocasio-cortez, this is different. it's a local endorsement from someone here in iowa in the state legislature.
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it's something that many campaigns, someone who many campaigns have been going after. it's something they've been working hard towards, and they're proud to announce it today. again, something that they want to be talking about rather than that back and forth with secretary clinton. >> shaq brewster on the endorseme endorsement. thank you very much. i appreciate it. pete buttigieg hoping to pull off a big upset in iowa. vaughn, i want to ask you how the campaign is feeling at this point as i urge you to get the coat out of the car for the next hit there in dyersville. he's training his fire on bernie sanders and on joe biden after the polling that i mentioned at the top there. what's the campaign saying about the path forward here to caucus night on monday? >> reporter: yeah, buttigieg himself at his event so far today has said the further we can get away from talking about a campaign that sounds like 2016, the better. he's been the one. if you look at the top four or the top five, he is the one who is trying to contrast himself through that generational
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change. of course, the 38-year-old former south bend mayor, he has five events here today in iowa. and the reason we're here at the field of dreams, perhaps he could say it's fitting imagery. we just left his second campaign stop and on the way up to dubuque we came right up to the field. this is a campaign that you could say they built the organization to put him in the it's a matter of whether folks show up on caucus nights and support him. not only democrats but independents and republicigg ca is the midwest state. the state, the region that pete buttigieg has essentially set his entire kantd pcandidacy upo he could beat donald trump here in november. that is why the stakes are so high. i caught up with pete buttigieg just a bit ago. this is what he told me after his event this waterloo. >> mr. mayor, do you need to win iowa? >> we need to do very well in iowa, we're in it to win it and
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we believe we're going to have a result that will propel us forward. >> reporter: and propelling him forward, that's why this is key. his poll numbers are good in new hampshire. everywhere else they're in the single digits. that's why a victory on iowa caucus night is so significant, and well, senator sanders may have picked up a new legislative endorsement. we should note kevin costner in this race endorsed pete buttigieg. we're here at the field of dreams. >> trying to stay warm there in dyersville. >> it's like 40 degrees we should note. >> it looks colder than it is. senator elizabeth warren getting a break from the impeachment trail this weekend, all ali ali vitali is here with me in cedar rapids in iowa. she is somebody who's been removed from this campaign for time. she's talked about that, what's she doing now that she's back on the ground, her campaign officially hitting 1 million donors she was proud to announce. >> reporter: she is soaking up
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as much time as she can with voters. i'm going to kind of ride the wave and speak in a whisper until they applaud. that 1 million donor metric you talked about is important for any campaign, but especially for a campaign like warren's that prides itself on grass roots support. its campaign strategy hinges on it, not just the way in which they're funding the campaigns but from the way they have their volunteers and organizers fanned out in iowa. it's a key part of their calculus in winning this state, but so is having the candidate here, and you mentioned this, elizabeth warren has been splitting her time between iowa and washington with washington, frankly winning most of the days. now she's back, and she's back with a new campaign closing pitch. listen. >> i also want to say thank you to everybody who got in this presidential race, whether they're still in it or not. you know, people got in this out of an act of service to our country, and some different ideas about how to do it, but all wanting us to build a better
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america, and we're down to the final strokes here, but understand we will -- we must come together as a party and beat donald trump! >> reporter: and look, david, when you think about that message here that i just heard a few minutes ago contrasted with how you and shaq started talking at the beginning of this segment with how congresswoman talib was talking about hillary clinton, that only brings up the baggage of bernie sanders from 2016. elizabeth warren of course the candidate who we talked about as the other progressive senator in this race. her and bernie sanders on policy pretty much in lock step. the key for her here and why we hear her making that argument as part of her closing pitches, she's sort of trying to appeal to the bernie sanders, but maybe other moderate voters who like her but want to know she can be progressive and unite the party in favor of beating president donald trump. >> ali vitali, deploying the golf announcer voice there in
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cedar rapids iowa. we heard vaughn hillyard talking to pete buttigieg about the importance of iowa. this is a state that has been important for elizabeth warren for some time. she was really the first candidate to establish an infrastructure there and for some time, i believe hers was the largest in the state. what is the campaign saying about how she does on monday night? >> reporter: if not the largest, then one of the largest, and that's why even though she hasn't led in a poll here since september, there's a lot of respect, frankly, for the formidable ground game her and her campaign have amassed here on the ground in iowa. there is, though, an expectations game that's also being played here. when i talked to julian castro, one of her key surrogates earlier in the week, i said does she need to win iowa. he immediately told me, i don't think she needs to win here. he thinks she'll do well. again, no one is out here trumpeting that they think elizabeth warren will win outright. there is a lowering of expectations happening. that's not just on the ground. it's also in a campaign memo, for campaign manager that came out a few weeks ago that tamped
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down on the importance of the early states and instead laid out their strategy for a full national campaign that goes way deeper into the primary. >> mentioned julian castro, has ab event in davenport, iowa. thank you very much, i appreciate the update. after months of bitter back and forth, we now know how the rest of donald trump's impeachment is likely to play out. after that 51-49 vote against allowing witnesses to testify in the trial, closing arguments in the trial begin on monday, the same day as the iowa caucus. senate deliberations on tuesday, the same day as the state of the union is scheduled to take place, and on wednesday more deliberations if needed, then the final vote on whether to acquit or remove the president of the united states. garrett haake is covering events on capitol hill. he joins us now on this saturday. take us into the well of the senate yesterday, and there was so much confusion, obviously some tension as well among republicans. the republican caucus about the timing for all of this. i just ticked through some of it there. there were many republican
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senators who had hoped this could get resolved. the vote cob tied by monday or at least tuesday in time for the state of the union to take place with this behind the senate and the nation as well. >> there were republican senators who thought they might be able to jam through an acquittal vote before they went to bed friday night into saturday, hoping to run the clock and force this through. what became clear after that witness vote is the republicans were almost entirely united on the question of witnesses. they were more divided on exactly how they wanted to see this trial wrap up. there were some aligned with the president who wanted to get it done as expeditiously as possible, certainly before the state of the union. some wanted to even have it done before the president sits down for an interview on fox news during the super bowl. so there was some who wanted to rush and there were some who wanted to have a more drawn out process here. an opportunity to give speeches on the floor. when you talk about deliberations here, that is senate code in this case for floor speeches, an opportunity for these senators to defend their votes. republicans found themselves in
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this position because democrats were not going to help them move anything along speedily here. they wanted to continue this process, have the final vote in the light of day as it now will be on wednesday. >> an expert on parliamentary procedure and senate nomenclature, garrett haake joining us on saturday from capitol hill. a lot of news coming out of washington as well. president trump's expected impeachment acquittal will now happen after his state of the union address, which is scheduled to take place on tuesday. the president is at his mar-a-lago residence in west palm beach, florida, this weekend. we find nbc naews white house correspondent kelly o'donnell in palm beach. great to speak with you. i want to ask you about the president's reaction to what's been taking place. like those republican senators fw garrett and i were talking about, he was among those that hoped this would be resolved before the state of the union. his public comments have taken place on twitter this morning, a photograph of him playing golf saying he's getting some exercise in on this saturday morning. >> reporter: one can only thing he's trying to project some kind of a state of mind perhaps that
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he is enjoying a weekend and not stressing. that maybe one interpretation. others might view it as the president getting away from all of the drama in washington. it's really open to how people want to interpret that, but it is unusual because we have typically not seen the president showing us pictures of his golf game. we know he golfs frequently. it's withone of his big passion. but often the white house is reluctant to tell us who he's golfing with or that he's actually golfing when he's at one of his fwofl properties here in florida, he has one in virginia as well. this today was the president sort of showing us his swing. perhaps haes driving towards the end of impeachment. we can try to decipher it. he has a big couple of days ahead of him. here in florida, there is sort of the social side. he will have a chance to enjoy a super bowl party that's hosted at the mar-a-lago resort, and those sorts of things that lots of americans are doing related to the big game over the
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weekend. of course he's got tuesday's state of the union and presumably, and we just have to presume he's practicing that speech, which is one of the biggest highlights of any president's year is scheduled for tuesday and as you pointed out, he had hoped he'd be able to enter that chamber without the cloud of impeachment. that is not to be this time. >> ask you quickly here about a couple of big issues he's having to deal with as the president. one is the coronavirus, as i reported at the top of the last hour, the eighth case in the united states, confirmed case taking place in massachusetts. the commonwealth of massachusetts. the white house had a briefing yesterday from reporters with part of the president's task force on the coronavirus. i want to ask you about that, how the president's handling that and these cryptic re-tweets from this morning about the leader of a terrorist group. the president not confirming the death of that individual himself but re-tweeting a reporter for yahoo news and the head of an ngo leading us to wonder if that was presidential --
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>> officials are only saying the tweets speak for themselves, which is a typical response we get from the white house when the president is tweeting something that really sort of demands more explanation. we don't have further clarification there. on the coronavirus, the president has spoken about that at his most cerecent rally talkg about the fact the u.s. is in pretty good shape. china he said is not. and of course his officials that are part of the task force explained some really kind of far reaching steps that they're taking, and when i say far reaching, i mean the ruu.s. has not had quarantine like this in decades where individuals who are u.s. citizens coming from china could face 14 days of quarantine, certain foreign nationals not being permitted in the country, encouraging self-quarantine for people who might be exposed. officials are saying the risk is low in the united states, but they want to take these steps to keep thit that way, and they ar working with state and local health government agencies and organizations as well as the
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hospital community and so forth to try to prevent that spread where they can. that task force is up and running. david. >> kelly o'donnell with the update from west palm beach in florida. thank you very much. i appreciate it. the impeachment trial has reached its final phase as we've been skudiscussing in the unite states senate. there are still a number of ongoing investigations in the house of representatives. we'll take a look at those investigations and talk about what they could mean for the president's future. hey could mee president's future if your gums bleed when you brush, you may have gingivitis. and the clock could be ticking towards bad breath, receding gums, and possibly... tooth loss. help turn back the clock on gingivitis with parodontax. leave bleeding gums behind. parodontax. ahoy! gotcha! nooooo...
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welcome back, president trump's impeachment trial is expected to wrap up next week, there are a number of other investigations involving the president of the united states that will not be resolved anytime soon. lev parnas and igor fruman the indicted associates of rudy giuliani have pled guilty to federal campaign finance charges related to the effort to pressure ukraine sinto announcig investigations that could potentially benefit president trump's 2020 campaign. in other words, related to the same incident that president trump was impeached for. on top of that, nbc news reporting the u.s. supreme court announced yesterday an oral argument has been scheduled for march 31st for the three cases related to accessing president trump's financial documents. joining me now to talk more about the future investigations involving the president, andrew desiderio whose a political congressional correspondent, katie fang is an msnbc legal contributor. great piece in new york magazine. he put something out there that's counter intuitive, it
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would have made additional investigations make like sore loseris loserisms. he's saying by a result of the way this all panned out, it's going to make it easier for committee chairmen and women to proceed with their investigations. speak to that if you would, the appetite for all of had this continuing on capitol hill among lawmakers. >> i think that's exactly right. for a while now house democrats, troo at least since john bolton expressed a willingness to testify under subpoena, house democrats have really, you know, shied away from questions about whether they would move to subpoena john bolton for testimony on their side of the capitol, mostly because it was still possible at that point that the senate could go forward and subpoena john bolton and then that evidence could be used as part of the trial. now that this rules resolution was passed last night on party lines governing sort of the end of the trial, there is no opportunity going forward for democrats to force more votes on additional witnesses and the resolution last night also clos closes evidentiary report.
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even if they wanted to, they couldn't enter new evidence in the record between when this trial formally concludes. it's more likely that house democrats will move forward to try to get testimony from john bolton. i know that's something they're considering at this point. >> broaden this out in just a minute, i want to ask you about lev parnas, his associate rudy giuliani. >> the levidence, anderson cooper, his lawyer has been speaking as well, we all wonder to what end. something is cooking in the doj. there is a focus on rudy giuliani and his associates. >> that's an understatement. i mean, we're trying to figure out courtesy of the sdny is rudy giuliani just a poor man's ras putin or is rudy giuliani some great criminal mastermind. ultimately i would not want the sdny looking into my business. what we're seeing from people like lev parnas and igor fruman is there are receipts, there are text messages, there are
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e-mails, there are audio recordings, and those have significant value because not only are they helping build a case but really is giuliani going to be able to escape from that net that's being cast and fundamentally, i think the answer's going to be no. so when you get to the bottom line, will rudy giuliani save himself or will he protect donald trump, and that's left to be seen. >> ask you quickly before i go back to andrew what you made of what jane raskin had to say about rudy giuliani citing clarence dare roe in part saying essentially what he did was on the up and up, he is a paradigm of what a defense attorney is doing. >> i wouldn't want him to be my lawyer, if that answers your question, and i think it does. >> back to these committees and moving beyond ukraine, maxine waters interested in looking at the president's finances, the supreme court going to look at whether or not we can learn more about the president's finances. this expands beyond ukraine. that has been our focus here for the last many months, but there is a lot more that the congress is looking into. >> right, before the ukraine
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scandal even came to the forefront, the house democrats were looking into a myriad number of issues, everything from the obstruction of justice allegations that came out of the mueller report to the president's finances, there are so many pending court cases both at the district court level and the appeals court level and the supreme court level for that matter that you just went over in the introthere there david that could affect the trajectory of how democrats move forward with these investigations. the ones related to mueller are at the appeals court level right now. of course that is for don mcgahn's testimony as well as mueller's grand jury evidence with which the house judiciary committee is still trying to get its hands on at this point. we could get rulings in those cases in the coming days. of course the house ways and means committee has sued to get president trump's tax returns that the treasury department is continuing to block from transmitting to the house ways and means committee. that case might take a while to resolve itself, and of course the other ones related to the manhattan district attorney as
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well as maxine waters' committee and the house intelligence committee seeking specific records related to donald trump's finances. >> last question to you about timing, it's sm thomething that noted as i listened to patrick philbin speak bemoaning fact that this happened too quickly. so when you listen to what andrew's describing when you look at what's being chewed up, chewed through by the courts how long could this take? is this something these lawyers for the president are content to lay out. >> there is going to be an end to the insanity. we knew it was an inevitable conclusion that donald trump was not going to be convicted as a result of this impeachment trial. >> the writing was on the wall. >> yes, pro verbally, but for those of us who have been tracking these lawsuits and all of the litigation going on scotus is going to issue a ruling significantly at the end of june, and when we get that, that's clearly way in advance of a november 2020 election. in addition, all of the other continuing investigations that are going on, the manhattan
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d.a.'s office, iris vance, the state attorney general for new york. we have at love things that are going on that are chip, chip, chipping away from the criminal foundation that is trump foundation, trump organization, and donald trump and his criminal enterprise. you're not going to just have to say i'm sorry. it's all done and over with when this impeachment concludes on wednesday. there's going to be a lot more ahead for us to be looking at. >> great to see you here in new york. >> andrew desiderio down in washington, d.c., thanks for your fine reporting as well. death toll overseas rising as fears of the coronavirus spread around the world. they're ordering the first quarantine in this country in 50 years. what do we want for dinner? burger... i want a sugar cookie... wait... i want a bucket of chicken... i want... ♪
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breaking news this afternoon, there are now eight confirmed cases of coronavirus in the united states. the latest case in boston, massachusetts, brings the total of states affected by this disease to five. the other confirmed cases are in california, arizona, washington and illinois. on friday the department of health and human services declared a public health emergency over the coronavirus, but warned people in the united states not to panic. >> i want to stress the risk of infection for americans remains low. the actions we have taken and
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continue to take complement, complement the work of china and the world health organization to contain the outbreak within china. the american public can be assured the full weight of the u.s. government is working to safeguard the health and safety of the american people. >> starting at 5:00 p.m. tomorrow, all passengers on fliegt fliegtds into the united states from hubei province will undergo a 14-day quarantine. u.s. citizens from mainland china will be screened at one of seven airports in new york, san francisco, seattle, honolulu, chicago and atlanta. this coronavirus was first reported in the city of wuhan, china, on december 31st, and has since spread to 21 countries worldwide. very pleased joining me now is dr. sherry fink, she's also the executive producer of the netflix docuseries pandemic, how to prevent an outbreak. let me ask you, first of all, about the response that's been laid out by the president and
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his task force, some members of whom we saw there, a group of 12 men. they are all men. how equipped is the u.s. to respond to this threat that we see emerging here globally? >> i think people don't realize just how much power that officials do have in public health officials to do things like restrict movements of people. we saw a little bit of that with ebola, and now we're starting to see this new federal quarantine. interesting, in the president's order yesterday there was this little detail where he talked about the reason that we're going to restrict the flow of passengers from china is that we have so many and we have limited resources, limited public health resources in the u.s., and that's something that public health officials have been talking about a long time is that we need more resources for our preparedness. >> let me ask you about the quarantine, the ban on folks coming here to this country. i went back yesterday and looked at the president tweeting about the ebola crisis. this is chapter in verse of what
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he was tweeting, saying the president who has no public health experience thinking that flights should have been banned, that it was a travesty when you had a doctor who had been in guinea coming back to new york not showing signs of symptoms, then showing signs of symptoms. how much of this is best practices versus what might be just sort of a policy sense from the president of the united states? >> so i mean, the people who announced it on behalf of the cdc yesterday, slightly different press conference, they talked about how they're trying to use best practices in public health, and it's important to remember ebola is a little different, right? it spreads differently. and there it was very clear that people who did not have symptoms could not pass the virus, so the really important thing when it comes to quarantines are these big, big decisions to block travel, which by the way, the w.h.o. said countries should be very careful, should not do that unnecessarily. they have huge potential economic costs and even could affect health if important supplies can't get in. so the key is to try to do that
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proportionately, and even with quarantines, for example, you always and most state health laws and federal health law talk about the importance of, you know, only invoking that when there aren't better, other options. >> i imagine you talk about this in your docuseries. what's happening ep deem logically, what's happening in the laboratories? i saw fairly soon after we learned the existence of this virus, the genome was made public for researchers around the world to look at. what's happening in these labs across the united states and indeed around the world as they try i assume to come up with a vaccine as soon as they can? >> yeah, i mean, this is really impressive to see the science and more collaboration than there has been in the past. that's a small bright side here, but we have to be realistic that the first vaccine candidates won't even be tested for safety for an estimated three months. it could be like a year experts are telling me before we would actually have a vaccine, so yes, absolutely there's this planning
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going on in case the virus is not largely contained in china and right now experts don't know for sure. right now it's not a pandemic. pandemic means spread across the world, spreading wildly. right now we only have a few documented cases in about two dozen countries. so this is a very key moment, and so all of those efforts have to go on, the public health efforts to stop the spread, to contain it as well as preparations for you know what, what if it couldn't be contained. we need diagnostics. we need medicines. there are some medicine trials and ultimately a vaccine. but that could take a while. so that's why all of these measures are really important. >>. thank you very much. that's dr. sherry fink of the "new york times" joining me here in new york. mike bloomberg is trying to stand out in the 2020 presidential field. in an interview with reverend al sharpton he says he has a clear way of doing that. >> the other candidates are all legislatures, and legislatuors may know how to pass legislation, but it has little
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to do with actually delivering services as we've seen over the years. you need a manager to run the country. you need a manager to run new york city, and so why vote for me? 12 years, you lived in new york city. you don't have to answer the question, but i would bet my life that you would not say that the city wasn't a lot better when i left than it was when i got there. >> you can watch the entirety of that interview with mike bloomberg on "politics nation" today at 5:00 p.m. eastern time right here on msnbc. the house impeachment managers made one point over and over again during their arguments in favor of calling witnesses. this is not just about trump. this is about the future. president trump is expected to be acquitted in the senate without a single additional witness called during the trial. this as lawyers basically argued there was almost nothing a president could do to warrant impeachment. what does that mean for us? here is historian and msnbc contributor john meacham. >> he's functionally a monarch. he's functionally the most
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politically powerful president in american history. think about it, there's been a concerted and acknowledged to be a convincing effort to use the constitutional checks and balances to bring him to justice because of violations of what we believe to be the constitutional order, and he, as you say, if time stops, he has beaten that back. not because of the facts but in spite of the facts. >> i want to bring in harry litman, a former deputy assistant attorney general, "washington post" columnist and the host and executive producer of the podcast talking feds. i want to get into some of what you've written for the post in just a moment. i just made it through a big article in the new york review of books by noah feldman who testified during the house impeachment inquiry. writes about a lot of these issues, writes about the defense the president made during the course of his trial. the closing line stood out to
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me. the most dangerous outcome would be if the public accepted the facts about trump's conduct but concluded that it was not impeachable because it was perfectly fine, business as usual. that written before what we heard the other night from senator lamar alexander and others, but here we are. it seems that we are at that point. >> it really does, and you can't imagine a sort of more sobering prospect. you know, there's a sort of soft common law to impeachment, and we take, for instance, the johnson impeachment to stand for a principle, that policy differences shouldn't be impeachable, or the clinton one to stand for lying about private conduct shouldn't be. if this were really to take hold with trump, and we had continual warnings that it would, it would almost be to write out the impeachment clauses. there's a couple of things to say. under the first is, as you mentioned, the facts. if the so-called lamar alexander formulation takes hold, that is
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the one that says he did everything that they said he did, but it's not impeachable. what noah feldman is writing about, that's one thing that will matter deeply as opposed to what you probably will have from some partisans saying, oh, there was never anything here. but then second, of course, is the election because there were going to be many arguments in what will be these twisted kind of pretzel logic statements on the floor on tuesday and wednesday that is to let the voters decide, and there's some prospect that if he is not reelected it will be taken as a kind of popular reinstatement of the constitutional norms that you have to say have been totally trampled in the last two weeks or three years. that some prospect for what could happen, but will a future president, democratic or republican who's assailed for abuse of conduct say, not nearly as bad as what trump did, they
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will. and will senators then be able to reach for a principle that says it's still impeachable, the best and most likely prospect would be, yeah, but it was in the shadow of an election. he lost and therefore you can't take it as a sort of rewriting of the constitution. >> interesting to see the senate way on these issues of timing back on merrick garland when you had the senate majority leader cooking up something on timing. there was a lot of talk about john robert bolton the former national security adviser over the last week. you point out in a piece that the documents are as important, if not more important, and i wonder as you look back on what's transpired here over the course of the last week if that was forgotten in some respects. there was such a fight over getting john bolton into well of the senate that maybe a greater case could have been made for these documents to be produced? >> yeah, i mean, maybe. you know, john bolton was always
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going to be something of a wild card, and he would testify to the word as he wanted to, documents from a prosecutorial point of view really tend to be more powerful. now, look, i think these things are going to be coming out and both documents and bolton's testimony, though it may be held up now with the white house prepublication review, but it's now the going to be sort of braided with the political judgment that the election will bring into play, and each of these, because of the vote against witnesses, every time there is an inculpatory regulation, the argument's requesting to be made against, say, republican senators standing for re-election. here, you see what you wouldn't even let us hear? it's not simply that you made this election, but this has come out, and you prevented the american people and yourselves from even taking cog any sans of
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it. that's going to be kind of an indictment of them in the election season. >> the former u.s. attorney harry litman, the host of the talking feds podcast. thank you very much. i appreciate the time on this saturday. >> thank you, david, always a pleasure. an emotional night at the staples center. ♪ and the home of the brave >> no. 8 or 24 jersey as they walk out. >> the lakers paying tribute to kobe bryant nearly a week after we lost him in california. best... to managing your fleet... to collaborating remotely with your teams. giving you a nice big edge over your competition.
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mr. speaker, at your swearing in, you asked us all to work together in a spirit of civility and bipartisanship. mr. speaker, let's do exactly that. >> that's president clinton, of course, urging bipartisanship in his 1999 state of the union address amid his impeachment trial. more than two decades later president trump also facing his own impeachment trial will give his third state of the union address scheduled to take place on tuesday night in washington. today his campaign sent out this fund-raising e-mail to supporters with his signature at the bottom, it reads this address will be unlike any other. the president is in the middle of an all-out impeachment war
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and the left is doing everything they can to try to take me down. joining me is bill clinton's former speech writer michael walden. he helped write that speech. you knew that speech well. i wonder if you could take us back to those conversations in the oval office, this happening, in the in the backdrop. he wasn't a president who talked a lot about impeachment. >> bill clinton used those state of the union addresses as a governing tool, as a policy tool more than most recent presidents. he would readily foc lreally fo weeks and weeks at a time. in 1999 i think he enjoyed focusing on it rather than impeachment. there was never any serious consideration that he would talk about impeachment in the state of the union. it was utterly weird for him to
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be giving it in the middle of the trial, but one big set of differences is he was at about 70% approval and the impeachment itself was tremendously unpopular and people thought it was illegitimate. here it's still in the middle of, if you want to call it a trial, it's the day before the vote after the vote to have no witnesses. who can imagine donald trump gliding serenely above the proceedings? either he will go to town or he will have to, you know -- i can't imagine how he's going to restrain himself. he may decide that he'll stick to the teleprompter and surprise everyone. >> some things are certain. there being a state of the union and then this pre state of the
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union formality that there's going to be an address. >> bill clinton had republican control of most of congress for most of his spresidency. one of the things about this peec impeachment, it is the first time a president has been tried by a senate of his own party. you want to get the applause near the beginning. of course there's a little bit of an undertone in the clip you showed because the reason speaker hastert was sitting there was because the last two speakers of the house had been bounced in the previous month, one because of a sex scandal and one over a revolt from his own members over how unpopular impeachment was. it was a nice greeting with a little bit of an edge on bill clinton's part. >> i know you were down in washington watching some of these proceedings take place. there was a moment when one of his lawyers got up and
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essentially made the case that the president couldn't be impeached because the country is doing so well. one can only assume that he won't be able to resist the temptation to walk down that road again. >> this is not only the second state of the union ever delivered in the middle of an impeachment trial. both of those things are actually in the constitution. but it's also the beginning of an election year. the state of the union speech at the beginning of an election year is always kind of the starting gun for the themes and arguments and approach that the president is going to take. sometimes and this was what bill clinton tried to do and others, sometimes they are a way to showcase good news. hey, look how the economy is doing, look at this, look at that. trump has made clear that he's not going to try to run for reelection as the unifying parent of the country, but rather by doubling down on
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division and creaincreasing the racial division. it's not a surprise he broadened his travel ban to include countries like nigeria, the biggest economy and biggest country in africa. he's going to be poking at the anxieties and concerns of his base in this speech. for the upcoming address, join our political experts for special coverage of that state of the union address on tuesday night beginning at 8:00 only on msnbc. that will do it for me this hour. join me back here next saturday at 2:00 p.m. coming up, an hour dedicated to all things iowa. my colleague steve kornacki will have a breakdown on the hawkeye state. breakdown on the hawkeye state. by the strolle♪s
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hello, everyone. i'm steve kornacki here at msnbc headquarters in new york. we are just two days out now until the big iowa caucuses, the first votes of the 2020 primary season. they will be counted monday night. all the democratic candidates are out in iowa tonight. this is no ordinary election year. those candidates are campaigning as the president's impeachment trial continues. it's now going to stretch into next week. a final vote scheduled f


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