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well, good evening. and you find us in the midst of another split screen evening in our country, dueling stories out of washington and iowa. on the left, of course, the u.s. capitol, where a short time from now, president trump will deliver his third state of the union address before a joint
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session of congress. on the right, that would be the iowa state capitol, where we are following the fallout from last night's caucuses. brian williams here at our election headquarters in new york, with our special coverage. at my side again tonight, rachel maddow. rachel? >> the big headline out of iowa tonight, at last, is that pete buttigieg and bernie sanders are leading in the preliminary returns out of iowa. i would usually call these the early returns, but since they arrived a day after the caucuses, the terminology here has to be more awkward. >> with 62% of precincts reporting, again, this is last night's vote, buttigieg leads with 27% of the delegates earned. sanders closely behind at 25. sanders was favored in the polls coming into the caucuses. the big showing by pete buttigieg is more of a surprise, and his campaign, of course, is doing everything they can to turn that surprise finish into momentum into new hampshire, which, let's not forget, holds
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their own primary a week from tonight. >> and it's worth mentioning that chaos and delay and turbulence and confusion around iowa caucus results are not without modern precedent. and are not a matter of party. you may recall in 2012, we had a real doozy. in 2012, on the night of the iowa caucuses, mitt romney was the apparent winner, until a few days later, rick santorum was declared the victor. still later, it turned out that a third and different candidate, congressman ron paul, had actually won the lion's share of the delegates and thereby, technically, won iowa. members of the ron paul campaign, it should be noted, were later criminally indicted for a bribery scandal in that year's caucuses. so, yes, it has been a mess in iowa before. but that does not change the fact that it is a very consequential mess right now nor the democrats who competed there last night. today, the bipartisan leadership of the senate intelligence committee reassured everybody,
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reassured the country that there's no evidence of any foreign interference or some hacking at work in the iowa chaos. iowa democrats do have paper ballots as backup. they say they have confidence that the ultimate tally will be true and verifiable, if slow. they're promising a full investigation into what went wrong. >> again, iowa only half the story tonight. worth noting that the president will deliver the state of the union in the very room where he was impeached some 48 days ago. speaker nancy pelosi, who provided -- who presided over said impeachment in the house will be right over the president's shoulder again tonight. the senate is expected to vote to acquit donald trump tomorrow, but as speaker palelosi told "t new york times" today, quote, whatever happens, he has been impeached forever. >> there is a very small list of people who are at the nexus of both the state of the union address tonight and the ongoing iowa caucus results.
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lucky for us, we get to talk with a few of them tonight. senator elizabeth warren and senator amy klobuchar will be joining us live tonight, as will mayor pete buttigieg, as brian mentioned, at this point was 62% of the results in from iowa, does appear to be in the delegate lead in that state. we also, of course, will be checking in with our reporters on the ground in iowa and in new hampshire. >> joining us here in our studio tonight, claire mccaskill, former united states senator from the great state of missouri. jason johnson, politics editor at theroot.com. veteran campaign manager for both democratic and republican candidates. and eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist with "the washington post". steve kornacki at the big board, whose insight is even more critical than usual, if that's possible, in helping to figure out just what happened last night in iowa. hey, steve. >> brian, how you doing? yeah, so what happened and how do we have this more to come in, but this discrepancy right now where one candidate is leading
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the state delegate total and another candidate leading that initial vote in that second round. there are two reasons for it. and let me take you through how to look at this. what you're seeing on your screen, that is the state delegate total. but let's start at the beginning. this is what it looked like with the vote that's come in. again, so far 62% of precincts. this is what it looked like when folks showed up at their caucus sites last night in their precincts. it's a lead of #,03,000 for sans in the first preference. klobuchar and yang come into play, because in those spring s precincts, if you're not hitting 15%, your supporters become free agents and they have a second round of voting. same precincts, when you went through that second round, it changed. but you can see, sanders -- this is not solely the reason that buttigieg leads in the delegate count right now. it's not just because he was the second choice, but as you can see, based on second choice, sanders still leads.
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buttigieg, it's tighter, warren, biden, klobuchar. remember, you can see, yang dropped four points here. steyer fell down to zero. this is where the biggest movement was, it was these candidates down here in low to mid-single digits, basically dropping down to zero and re-allocating. and sanders continued to lead after that by a narrower margin. part of the reason why buttigieg was able to close that gap, it was the second choice. it's not the reason, though, that he leads statewide, ultimately. the reason he leads statewide is simply that the distribution, the allocation of these state delegates, there's a -- it's a little disproportionate. essentially, the college counties, big college counties, here's a good example. johnson county, university of iowa, iowa city, sanders did great here, warren did great here, buttigieg, not so much here. a lot of turnout, a lot of vote comes out of johnson county, more than 10%. really, 11%, probably, of the statewide turnout comes out of here. what about its share of the state delegates? about 7.5%. so you see the state delegate
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total in a place like johnson county, and you see, this is also true in like poweshiek county right here, it's true in jefferson county down here. the state delegate allegation does not track what the turnout in these college areas. and so even if you run up big numbers there, you're not necessarily getting the bang for your buck when it comes to state delegates. meanwhile, western part of the state out here, a lot of rural counties, about 10% of the turnout, about 13% of the delegates. so that's the imbalance. and that is ultimately here, when you look at the distribution of those dark blue counties, that's the buttigieg color there, dark blue, that's why right now, with 62% in, he is able to lead statewide in the state delegate count, even though he's losing on the first preference and the re-allocated preference. basically, it's sort of an electoral college thing. he's getting it in the right precincts, getting it in the right counties right now. >> in terms of the closeness of the vote here, obviously, we've got buttigieg and sanders very close to each other in terms of
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those vote totals we were talking about and in terms of the delegates, but we've got 62% of the results in. what is still outstanding? and as more of those results come in, who do you expect to benefit? >> yep, take a look here. this is the missing vote. this is what's left in the state. so the bigger you've got the bubble here, the more precincts there are that are outstanding. and the biggest here one by for a, this is pockelk county, des moines and des moines suburbs. that's key. just over half of pockelk count has come in is over. sanders with a slight edge over buttigieg. the key thing to understand about polk, this is a tale of two counties within one. there is the city of des moines in polk county and a lot of sort of more upscale suburbs that are part of polk county. here's why that's key. take a look next door in dallas county. this is sort of an extension of those suburbs of des moines. this is the wealthiest county in the state, wealthy, upscale suburbs of des moines. this is the kind of place buttigieg, one of the kinds of
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places that buttigieg is doing very well tonight. you can expect that's probably carrying over to those areas of polk county. that's what the precincts there are suggesting to us. but then the city of des moines, that's much more sanders, much less buttigieg. and it looks like, from trying to go through these precincts here, from what we can tell, it looks like they are city of des moines precincts that are outstanding than there are suburban des moines precincts. so that could be key in terms of what comes in there. otherwise, you can see a pretty big bubble here. this is blackhawk county. there you go, university of northern iowa, a college town, but also cedar falls, waterloo, it's a tight race there. davenport, this one for buttigieg, a slight lead there. and also, dubuque, this is one where buttigieg has a slight lead. and also about half to come in. by the way, why is biden doing so poorly tonight? there's a lot of reasons, but this county right here, dubuque, this is exactly the kind of county biden fought and hoped he'd be able to do well in. 22% is one of his better showings around the state. this is the kind of place that
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biden thought he could win. this is a blue collar, old city kind of place. >> bottom line, coming up on 24 hours out, we still have a lot of vote missing, still can't be definitive on the results. >> no. and because the most important outcome of iowa is momentum toward new hampshire and toward the other early states and into the early days of the primaries, it's very hard to know what the overall effect of this momentum is going to be. if we continue to have exciting days and nights of results out of iowa, maybe the candidates what do well there will get more attention. >> at this rate, we'll be talking about it during new hampshire. >> at this rate, we are literally talking about it during the state of the union, which maybe that's a benefit. joining us now from des moines is nbc political reporter, vaughn hillyard. vaughn has been covering the buttigieg campaign and sticking very close to that candidate, but given the news, vaughn has stayed back in iowa, even as buttigieg has gone on to new hampshire, to report on this ongoing situation there. vaughn, first of all, tell us about that decision, figuring out where -- how you could be
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closest to the story, and tell us where the campaign is at tonight in terms of these results. >> reporter: how about this? it was our colleagues up with you guys over at 30 rock who called in and said, you're not going anywhere. pete buttigieg will be taking place in eight events in new hampshire, but you're not leaving iowa until this thing is over. tbd, once these results get to 100%, we can renegotiate. but so far, as steve just outlined, 62% of results are in here. if you're looking at the pete buttigieg campaign here, so much of what the iowa caucus is, is about that momentum, about launching yourself forward. and he didn't take the stage until 12:30 in the morning last night, new hampshire time. 11:30 locally here. but the buttigieg campaign, i just want to read you, because he had eight events here in new hampshire. and he struck the chord, essentially calling himself the victor in this iowa caucus. but i want to read you what he said on that stage there after
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these initial results came in. and it was quote, we can have the same message. connecting urban, rural, and suburban communities. we can reach out to independents and even some future former republicans to bring change to this country. that is the message that pete buttigieg is trying to roll through the rest of this primary process with. and it's one that he needs to grab on to. of course, iowa, he has had over the course of the entire year to campaign and introduce himself to this state. i've been with him at nearly 50 events over the last three weeks, so while those senators were up on capitol hill, he had the opportunity to go into places like chickasaw county, a community of new hampton with 3,500 people, where he was able to stop and make that pitch. but now, if you look at polling in south carolina, in nevada, in those other later primary states, he's still at single digits in the polls. and if you are looking at that message, he is now contending that he is the candidate that is best equipped to beat donald trump in the midwest. well, per what steve kornacki was just showing on the map there, he provided evidence to
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that in particularly iowa in places like dubuque and dallas county. can he do the same thing and replicate that in michigan and wisconsin, where if you're looking at wayne counties and milwaukee counties, which have much more robust communities of color. that is still where pete buttigieg is going to have to penetrate and convince folks that he is worthy of more than just an iowa caucus victory, but he's very much relevant to this democratic nominating process. >> vaughn hillyard, chasing the story still in iowa, and covering the buttigieg campaign closely. vaughn, thanks very much. great to have you with us tonight. >> to mike memoli we go. he's covering the biden effort in next week's new hampshire primary. and mike, it was the sneaky big story last night that joe biden may not have had, absent any data, a good outing in iowa. it is the obvious big story tonight. if you went by mentions of the biden name during the impeachment proceedings, you would think he's the presumptive
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democratic nominee. not so, according to caucusgoers last night. he comes out fourth and roars into new hampshire. >> reporter: no. and that certainly speaks, brian, to what we could call the jonie ernst factor. last week, we saw both escalating attacks from bernie sanders and his campaign on the former vice president, but also the impeachment trial. the biden campaign tried to play the cards they were dealt. they leaned into this to try to tell iowa caucusgoers that you could get a twofer. pu you could ruin donald trump's night and ruin joni ernst's night by caucusing for me. in the end, that effort fell short. as it relates to new hampshire, joe biden is behind me speaking in this union hall. and i've learned a few things today, one listening to steve at the big board, the other that a astute new hampshire audience likes nothing more than a joke at iowa's expense. and biden began his night just
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in the last 15 minutes reacting to those partial results. he says, the numbers are still coming in at iowa. he says, at this rate, new hampshire will have, in fact, the first votes. but he also said, there's nothing to come back from yet, but urged the new hampshire audience, you can rocket me on to make sure that we win this thing. >> all right. mike memoli covering the biden effort in new hampshire. mike, thank you. >> in terms of how these things -- what happens and what the meaning of iowa is moving forward, i mean, ultimately, the campaigns get to define how they, themselves are going to react to it. we saw the energy last night around amy klobuchar, making that -- taking your advice, perhaps, getting to the nearest microphone, getting in front of the nearest camera, before other candidates did. there was a lot of response to pete buttigieg essentially giving a victory speech last night, with 62% of the results in now, it looks like that might have -- may have been more warranted than people were expecting last night. the candidates and the campaigns are waiting to hear as much as we are. but they're also defining their
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future in terms of how of these results reflect on them and how they're taking this forward and whether or not they're treating this like a boost for their momentum or something that was more of a disappointment. we should go now to shaq brewster, msnbc political reporter in milford, new hampshire, with the bernie sanders campaign tonight. shaq, how's the sanders campaign feeling about last night's results and about this screwy process out of iowa? >> reporter: it goes exactly to what you were just saying and the fact that the campaigns get to now define this and spin the results, the incomplete results, and get to spin it exactly how they want. and what you're hearing from the sanders campaign is a very positive tone on what they're seeing so far. let's begin with the fact that going into the iowa caucuses, this campaign was feeling really good. on the day of the caucus, that morning, jeff weaver, his senior adviser and 2016 campaign manager, were -- set expectations. he said, if they didn't get in first or second place, it would be a bad night for them. and you're starting to see why that is. you feel like they were doing
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really well in terms of that first part of the caucus, when people go in and make that initial selection. but where they were uncertain was what happens after that. and the realignment. senator sanders just wrapped up a rally here in milford, new hampshire. and at the top of his speech, he addressed that specific point. i'm going to read to you what he said. it was just a couple of minutes ago. he said, last night, we received more votes on the first and second round than any other candidate. it's what they call the popular vote when i'm talking to senior aides and officials. they think that he will continue that lead in the popular vote through the rest of the caucus, as results continue to come in. the problem is, it's not a primary, it's a caucus. so that is not how we award the delegates. that's not how we decide who the winner is. it will be the delegate allocation. so they feel like they're really good on the popular vote. they feel like they'll do really well here in new hampshire. but it will remain to be seen, as we see the results come in, where exactly they land and how they do in iowa. >> shaq, is the sanders' campaign contending at all, with the news that we're getting from
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the iowa democratic party, that turnout may have actually been down. the iowa democratic party had said heading into the caucus that they expected potentially record turnout. they're now saying it will be more like it was in 2016, which is relatively low compared with 2018. sanders' electability argument has always been, you know, if there's a big turnout, we will win. but also, i will generate big turnout in the general election. that's how i will beat donald trump. i will get people to the polls who don't usually vote. if there wasn't, in fact, a big turnout in iowa, are they contending with that at all? >> that's an amazing question, because that was part of his closing message. his closing message was -- and you saw it on bumper stickers, you heard it in chants that the crowd has. it's, bernie beats trump. and he was saying that he can beat trump because he brings the energy and excitement needed to take on donald trump. and he said over and over in iowa, if there's historic turnout, he believes he will win. if there's not historic turnout, he believes he will lose. we just spoke to jeff weaver, who is the senior adviser, just a couple of minutes ago, and
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weaver told us that he doesn't think that there will be that historic turnout that sanders said he needed to win. and that does call into question whether or not he can bring in that energy. the sander' campaign spent about $10 million on tv ads in iowa. they had hundreds of staffers on the ground organizing the thousands of volunteers that they had in there. on caucus day, we were in the field office and saw hundreds of volunteers coming in on buses from different states around the country. if they don't -- if they couldn't win with that excitement and energy, it does call into question what they could do if they are to face president trump in the fall. >> shaq brewster, milford, new hampshire, thank you, as iowa also learns, when you release data in a set of three, you give candidates three ways to declare victory the night before, as it were. a quick break. when we come back, senator elizabeth warren will be ready to speak to us tonight. you've been hearing a lot about 5g. but there's 5g... and then there's verizon 5g. we're building the most powerful 5g experience for america.
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him. and we're still sorting through what happened in the iowa caucuses last night, as the democrats try to pick their nominee to run against him in november. joining us now is someone with a direct and personal interest in all of those stories, senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts, candidate for president in the democratic primary. senator warren, it's great to have you with us tonight. thank you so much for taking the time. >> thank you, it's good to be here. >> so i know you are on to new hampshire. we're still getting in iowa results. right now, the results show you in third, behind buttigieg and sanders, in terms of delegates, ahead of vice president biden. how do you view that result? how much confidence do you have in the results, given how things went a little pear shaped in iowa yesterday? >> oh, look, obviously, we don't have all the numbers, but we're coming out of iowa in the top three and straight into new hampshire. and also, remember, we've got 55 states and territories after this. for me, this is about building a grassroots movement. that's what it's been about all along. we're now in 31 states.
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we've got a thousand people on the ground, across the country. we've got people who are really building this, from the ground up. you know, people who have made contributions online, they have gone to elizabethwarren.com, pitched in five bucks, agreed to do phone calls, found places near them so that they could go and do door knocking. to me, this is about how we should be building a presidential campaign and, i'll be blunt, it's about how we should be repairing our democracy. i think that's what's really at stake here. and the fact that we're talking about this primary at the same moment that donald trump is doing the state of the union, within 24 hours of when we'll be voting on impeachment really reminds us what it is that's at stake here. our democracy hangs in the balance. and we've got to take this government back from the most corrupt administration in history. >> among your competitors, vice
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president biden has run, himself, for president several times. senator sanders, of course, has run for president. the voting last night in iowa was the first presidential contest that you have ever competed in. >> it is. >> given that milestone in your life, i have to ask, i guess, was there any distance between how you expected your campaign to perform and how you actually performed? not necessarily reflecting on where you came in in the standings, but in terms of what you thought you would be able to do, what you thought you would be able to deliver. are there lessons learned for you after what happened? >> what i was thinking about last night, ten years ago, i wasn't even in electoral politics. remember, it was right after the crash. and i had been fighting to get the consumer agency in place, get that set up. and then when the republicans said that i couldn't stay and run it, i ended up coming back
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to massachusetts and getting into my first senate race. i sat there last night and thought about the fact of what we built together. we now have over a million donors across this country. we've gotten 3 million donations. last night, the most important part to me is, no surprise to you, we did a selfie line after the speech. and that's where precinct captains, volunteers, people who had been out knocking doors, just came through to give a hug and to talk about why they're in this race. and it's pretty clear, they see a government that works great for those of us at the top, it's not working for much of anyone else. it's this core set of issues that as democrats we should be running on, we should be running on a government that doesn't work for those at the top, so much as it works for everyone else. and that's what i saw last night. that's what i love. >> senator, as we've all noted, here we are talking about iowa results during the run-up to the
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state of the union address. it was by acclimation a bad showing last night for the iowa democrats. >> yep. >> we had james carville on as part of our live coverage today. he chose the need to repeat to his fellow democrats, the moral imperative is the defeat of donald trump. and he kind of surprised us by saying on live television he is amazed tom perez is still the chairman of the party. so it's a fair question to ask someone who could be the nominee. does the chairman of the democratic party currently have your complete confidence? and do you view them as battle-ready going into a campaign against donald trump and company? >> you know, i'm not focused on the chair of the democratic campaign. what -- or the democratic party. what i'm really focused on is how we, as the democratic candidates, are trying to build our campaigns and whether or not we're building campaigns ourselves, that are going to be
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it was during our 5:00 hour eastern time today, steve kornacki, having covered election night last night, with zero results, something we've never seen before, got partial results dumped on him on live television. they continue to come in. he continues to be on duty from the big board. >> we are here until we get all of this in. it may take months. we're going to find out, but we do expect from the iowa democratic party, they told us more vote coming some time tonight. they've told us a lot, but we'll see what comes through. and this one, one thing i wanted to let you know, you were talking about turnout, the iowa democratic party told us yesterday, they thought turnout was on pace with 2016.
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we wanted to see, when we started getting these results if that is actually happen. we have some counties that have reported 100%. you can see iowa county, here's a small county. they're actually down 18 people, it was 701 turned out tonight -- last night, 721 turned out in 2016. hamilton county is down about 75 there. there are a bunch of rural counties throughout the state that are about 100%, not a bunch, but about a half dozen, turnout is down like this in all of them. the interesting thing, though, is, it's not complete yet, but if you look at johnson county, iowa city, university of iowa, second biggest in the state in terms of the turnout it's going to have here, it looks like it's 82% in right now, they've got 17,660 who have turned out right now. the number was just over 19,000 in 2016. and again, with 18% still to come in, so you may go over in a place like johnson and be under in the rural areas. of course, that speaks to that
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broader sort of shift between the democratic and republican party, maybe with democrats being stronger and stronger in metro areas, maybe a little bit weaker in rural areas. also speaks to something we saw in the entrance poll, which is the share of people under 30 in this democratic caucus, 24% this year, just 18% in 2016. so a jump there. >> fascinating. we're going to be watching those turnout numbers in part because it tells you something about what happened in iowa last night, but also because i think it's reasonable, from previous elections, to extrapolate a little bit from the amount of enthusiasm showed by iowa democrats toward the general election in terms of how many democrats are going to come out nationwide when it comes to running against the gentlemen you see on your screen right now. the president and the first lady in the presidential limousine on their way from the white house to the capitol for tonight's state of the union address. i do want to say, just as steve kornacki was giving us those results, we got a statement from
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a man who you were just talking about, brian, with senator elizabeth warren, tom perez, chairman of the democratic national committee, has just released this statement. quote, what happened last night should never happen again. we have staff working around the clock to assist the iowa democratic party to ensure that all votes are counted. it is clear that the app in question did not function quality. it will not be used in nevada or anywhere else during the primary election process. the technology vendor must provide absolute transparent accounting of what went wrong. our immediate goal is to ensure that every vote is counted as quickly as possible. accuracy is our guidepost. as frustrating as the last 24 hours have been, let us not lose sight of our ultimate goal to defeat donald trump, to take back our democracy, and to improve the lives of millions by electing democrats up and down the ballot. claire mccaskill? >> well, a couple of things. first wing it's really important how dark blue those rural counties are in iowa. so many of them.
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you know, this is a little bit of an echo for me. because i remember all of the talk that white rural iowa would never go for a black man. and then i heard white rural iowa will never go for a gay man. and pete buttigieg has done very well at attracting rural and small-town voters. and that, maybe it's just too close to me, because that's where i got killed, was in the outstate areas of missouri. the two urban centers, we had record-high turnouts, record-high margins, record-high performance. but it was those outstate areas that were really a problem. so watch that going forward. and the other thing that tom perez said about the app, you know, they can't blame only the app on this. i know that there was someone taking phone calls last night from precinct captains. and you know why he quit after
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1:30 at night? because they were instructing him to call the precinct captains who had not reported. and you know where they were? they were asleep in bed. and he was being asked to wake them up to find out what their numbers were, because they had sat on the phone for two hours. well, who decided not to have enough people on the phones or not to have enough phone lines. i'm not sure you can blame that on the app. >> did they have not enough people on the phone lines because they expected the app to do most of the work. and when the app failed, their backup plan wasn't robust enough to cover it. >> that's exactly right. but if somebody's been running caucuses for 15, 20 years, and they're over the age of 70, to put all their hopes that they'll be vassal with the app, many of these precinct captains said, i'm going to call mine in like i always have. >> can you give us any insight
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wh into what happened on the vendor side of it? into the development of this app? why it was purchased in iowa? why nevada apparently purchased it and is now scrapping it in light of what happened here? what's your perspective on this? >> i really don't have any information. the first i heard about the vendor's name was the last time on the set here. so, you know, acronym is a volunteer who's helping acronym -- >> describe what acronym is. >> acronym is a digital firm. they put out a newsletter that tracks digital spending and creative is running some ads to defeat donald trump. they have also invested in this company called shadow. it's the first i've heard of it. but my assessment is, i think like claire's, clearly there was a technological problem. hard to argue if you are going to use apps going forward, you don't want to use this vendor. but i think the original season is, saying we'll have three different sets of data we've never had before, so that kind of overburdened the system. clearly, a lot of these people, it wasn't mandatory to use the app. there's reports that people tried to drive to the iowa
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democratic headquarters and couldn't get anybody to accept their results. so i think everything that went wrong did go wrong. and i think, listen, i think the question is going forward, in 2024 or 2028, are you going to be sitting on this set talking about a bunch of caucuses. i think it's clear we're not going to be doing that. >> jason johnson, you have made an important point, i think, about the appeal of pete buttigieg going forward, what his prospects are in the forthcoming early states and down the road. in the turnout dynamics that steve kornacki was just describing, big turnout, potentially record-breaking turnout maybe in some more population-concentrated areas, urban areas, college areas. the rural areas that give us that big, dark blue map that claire is talking about, where buttigieg did so well, may have overall, precinct to precinct, had lower turnout, even though they seemed to be very strongly in favor of mayor pete. >> going forward, it's like, okay, that may work fine if you're in new hampshire. that may work fine if you're in
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wisconsin. that's not going to work in nevada or south carolina, it's not going to work in maryland. pete's appeal has to grow bigger than just convincing people, because he sits down in their house and they think he's nice. here's one of those things that he'll have to really counter. please understand the way i'm saying this, david. the attacks on him already -- and we have to see how he responds to attacks. the attacks on him from sanders supporters that i've been seeing online, about him possibly winning under these circumstances, i am seeing massive trending tweets about, there's an organization called acronym and shadow and it sounds like a bad bond film and somehow mayor pete is involved. we know that's ridiculous, but that sort of thing spreads. so how does pete -- we've talked about what they're doing forward, how does pete handle potentially being a front-runner on friday's debate. how does he handle, okay, you're coming out of this as the hero, are you going to go over that cliff, make that jump, move from 2% to 8% with african-american voters, or continue to be the guy who only works well at the kitchen table and the bedroom.
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and i don't know if he's capable of doing that, because he hasn't demonstrated that thus far. >> there was one iowa poll where he came in first in the poll and there was a debate right after it. he actually had a pretty easy time of it in that debate. but you're exactly right. if he is on top coming out of iowa, he'll be facing that front-runner adversity for the first time. >> exactly. >> we shouldn't forget at the top of the hour, we'll be covering something vastly different. parties are assembling on capitol hill. in the house chamber, you see the vice president, you see the speaker. our coverage continues right after this. after this as parents of six, this network is one less thing i have to worry about. (vo) why the aceves family chose verizon. we all use our phones very differently. these two are always gaming and this one is always on facetime. and my oldest is learning to be a pilot. we need a reliable network because i need to know he's safe. as soon as he lands, he knows he better call mama. mama! (vo) the network more people rely on, gives you more. like plans your family can mix and match starting at just $35. and apple music on us. plus, up to $700 off the latest iphone when you switch.
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chamber, we're expecting a vote that will acquit the president of the united states, who remains on trial. >> he has been impeached in the house. the senate tomorrow will decide whether to convict him on those articles of impeachment, and thereby remove him from office. i will note, there is some continuity between these two stories we're covering tonight. nancy pelosi wearing white, as many democratic women will tonight. but you notice the pin that she's wearing on her left-hand lapel, that's the same pin that she wore when she opened the impeachment proceedings and got quite a bit of attention at the time. you see all the women in white, democratic women in white in support of women's rights and a nod to the suffragette movement. but that pin is the mace of the united states house of representatives. it's 13 bundled rods with a globe on top of them and with an american bald eagle on top of them. it is unsubtle. but this is a pin, a striking pin that nancy pelosi wore for the opening of the impeachment proceedings. she's wearing it again tonight, which is a strong symbolic nod
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to the fact that the impeachment is underway. the senate impeachment trial is underway while the state of the union will be happening tonight. >> for those used to watching our coverage of the impeachment proceedings in the senate chamber, vastly different in size from the house chamber. there are statehouses larger than the u.s. senate chamber, but this was built to house 435 members of congress. claire mccaskill, what great memories come back, i'm sure, for you, watching your former republican colleagues enter the chamber. >> lots and lots of memories flood back. the thrill of the first time i was there for a state of the union speech, looking around and doing, gee, whiz, i can't believe i'm here. the last time i was there, when donald trump was giving the state of the union, thinking -- >> i can't believe -- >> gee, whiz, what's happened to our country? probably the most memorable one was the night that there was the
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blow-up about whether obama snubbed hillary clinton when she came into the chamber and i happened to be right there sitting next to them when it happened and was able to kind of back up what president obama said happened. it was kind of a -- it looked like it was a snub, but it really wasn't. he was trying to give her space to talk to ted kennedy. that was kind of a historical moment, because it was the day that ted kennedy had announced that he'd endorsed barack obama for president, and it was controversial, to say the least. >> there are some members of the house and members of the senate who do not attend the state of the union. and it's often seen as an act of protest to not attend. did you ever think about not going? or did you ever have strong feelings about fellow members who decided to not attend? >> i would never have chosen not to attend, because of who was giving the speech. i will confess that there were moments you didn't want to attend because you didn't want to sit through the speech.
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but that applied across both sides of the aisle. it appears to me that the thing that we tried to do for a few years, which was to get dates to the state of the union, bipartisan dates, remember those days? it appears that's fallen away. because once again, if you look out at the chamber from the speaker's dias, most of the republicans will be seated on your right and the democrats will be seated on your left. >> regardless of what you feel about bipartisan as a strategy for getting things done and its viability and its naivete and all of that, that brief moment, that was after the shooting of gabrielle giffords in 2011 -- >> the dean of the diplomatic corps. >> and that's when for a few years, in 2012 and 2013, members did sit with other members from the opposite party. and it was -- i'm sorry that it was so short lived. >> it was stressful, though, about getting a date. it kind of was a throwback to college when guys always thought
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i had too big a mouth to go out with me. so it was like, okay, what republican am i going to like get for my date to the -- >> it's the sadie hawkins state of the union. >> but it worked out. and that we haven't continued to work harder at the bipartisan ship. it matters in terms of getting things done. you don't get it done -- anything done without it. >> one of the things we'll see here tonight, again, a decision whether to attend, members of the supreme court. not all members attend. some always do, some never do. and some it's year to year. so that will be interesting to see tonight as well. >> john roberts is said to be attending tonight. he goes back on duty tomorrow in the senate chamber for the vote. william rehnquist notably did not attend during the clinton trial. there are no rules for this kind of thing. there are some justices who don't attend. roberts has tried to attend every state of the union since he's been chief justice. we'll see various groups
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introduced as they come down. joint chiefs. supreme court and the like. kasie hunt is in the chamber for us tonight. rules prohibit us from using a camera to show her, but we can hear her voice. kasie, what are we not seeing or hearing from television that you are seeing and hearing from the chamber? >> reporter: brian, it is quite a scene tonight. you're right, you won't be able to see us. we are up to nancy pelosi's left shoulder with a vantage point down. and i have to say, after covering these incredibly partisan and acrimonious impeachment hearings, it is remarkable to see the handshaking that goes on on the floor, these kind of moments between lawmakers that are basically at war. right now joe manchin is -- has his arm around martha mcsally of arizona. he, of course, in the midst of, you know, trying to push forward with censuring the president.
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he's chatting with mitt romney. romney, a man alone in the republican conference on the senate side. lamar alexander also there in that gathering, kind of the heart of everything we've been talking about playing out in the public eye. across the chamber, you have the impeachment managers are actually all seated together next to each other in a line. the three of them, women, of course, wearing white in honor of the 100th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th amendment. the only one that's missing from that group is hakeem jeffries. he, of course, has been a very visible presence among the managers. he's actually a member of the escort committee for the president of the united states. so an interesting face-to-face meeting there. that's part of his traditional duties. he's a caucus chairman, so i wouldn't read too much into that necessarily. but still, an interesting moment for this president. and, of course, as you remember, bill clinton did give a state of
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the union address when he was also in the middle of an impeachment trial, his unfolding back in 1999. but, of course, the big difference, it was not an election year then. this, of course, 2020, you have been covering basically a second iowa caucus election night all night. so it's just setting the stage here, brian, some remarkable moments. >> and here's john roberts. >> kasie hunt, we last saw her in iowa. she is back in the chamber. you'll have to trust us. we certainly can hear her. as if on cue, john roberts and the presiding members of the supreme court. gorsuch, kavanaugh and kagan tonight. four out of nine will be in attendance. a quick break for us. our last before our coverage goes nonstop. [ distant band playing ]
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we're back into the chamber we go. senators from california, new york and connecticut and maryland, all of them democrats, but all of them talking. >> two former democratic presidential candidates kirsten gillibrand and kamala harris speaking and chris van holland next to them. the house democratic women wearing white in support of women's rights. there's joaquin castro, not julian castro, who was the presidential contender, but his twin brother who is a congressman from texas. nancy pelosi and vice-president mike pence don't seem to be chatting up a storm. >> not a whole lot of chitchat between the two of them. they're looking up from where they are up to their left is the gallery, the visitors gallery, officials guests, first lady we already saw ivanka and jared up
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there, and any official guest the president notes in the speech will be up there. >> chris mathews, at the end much your hour tonight, you had some, i won't say dark, but pointed words about your expectations for this state of the union speech tonight. >> you know, he'll give a good accounting of the numbers attached to dollar signs. the market is good, unemployment numbers are good. he's created a whole new america comeback, and yet we all know the darker side of this presidency can be counted as well. decency, abuse of allies, making fun of people's appearance, at handicaps, all this kind of -- i think the people that like him should consider the bargain they've made here. it is a dieabolic bargain. we have 50%, small high 60s, they love his economic
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stewardship. they love t. >> in your remarks you gave it a name. it's something they call in church. >> it's called a deal with the devil. familiar with the deal. by the way, you're talking about how the vice-president and speaker don't seem to be loving each other. i was there at the time chip was friends with the first george bush. i gave him the remarks attacking george bush. it was like he passed him a machine gun. what are you giving me that for? i'll be incriminated with the attack of my boss. >> by the way, rush limbaugh seated next to the first lady tonight. >> i would not have recognized him. i had forgotten about his beard as well. >> he announced just yesterday he has what he called late-stage lung cancer. some publications are reporting that in a, what's supposed to be an off the record lunch with anchors today, the president
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announced his intention to give the medal of freedom to rush limbaugh. and here are the members of the cabinet. >> led by secretary of state mike pompeo fresh off his starring role in the impeachment proceedings. followed closely behind by treasury secretary steven mnuchin. national security advisor and others. >> to remind people, there are no reserved seats here. people grab seats on the aisle very early to be able to shake hands with the cabinet and the president when they come through. >> that was elliott ingles's great claim to fame. >> they will come and grab a seat early in the day and stay there all day long in order to have the seat on the aisle. senators don't do that, but house members do. >> elliott ingles always had an advantage in that he would come early in the day, park his
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mustache there and come back later. you see elaine chao there, transportation secretary, the wife of republican senate leader mitch mcconnell. betsy devos, education secretary. we saw ben carson come in moments ago. >> some of these are acting. i don't know who they are because we've had so many acting that haven't been confirmed. for example, i couldn't tell you who is running homeland security right now. if they walked into the room -- and i was the ranking member on homeland security committee. i don't know who it is. >> c.i.a. director gina haspel there. >> the trade representative. >> i believe the o.m.b. director also fresh off his starring role in the impeachment proceedings. >> i saw lighthizer. >> i will tell you as we have note this had evening, this is split-screen coverage. we are watching it with an eye on the door as well in terms of further information coming in. we are awaiting further results

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