tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC February 6, 2020 6:00pm-7:00pm PST
be trusted on a bipartisan basis. he has a critical role to play. >> thank you both for joining us tonight. that is all this evening. we will see you right back here tomorrow night with a cool thing that we're doing for the first time. it is a live studio audience after debate show with candidates and the voters in new hampshire. we will be here to come join us. rachel maddow show begins now. >> that's what i want to see, you with a big audience after a live political event so you can say what you think and you can hear what everybody in the room thinks. >> there you go. your dreams are coming true tomorrow. >> i love it. thank you. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. 2002 was a sort of atypical year when it comes to mid-term elections. in the previous presidential election george w. bush had just been elected president, but that was sort of a maybe, right?
a contested election result where the ultimate winner of that presidential election was effectively decided at the united states supreme court in a 5-4 vote. that alone would put a little noise in the signal in terms of what you might expect from the next national election following that totally unprecedented debacle of a presidential election in 2000. but then it was further compounded in september of 2001 when the 9/11 attacks happened and whatever shock the body politic had experienced by the contested and indeterminate 2000 presidential election. well, the 9/11 attacks further scrambled and upended political expectations nationwide. and, so, while the basic political science principal is that the president's party tends to lose seats in a mid-term election, whatever party holds the white house, they tend to
suffer in a nonpresidential year election following them getting into the white house. that's the basic principal but for a lot of different reasons. that didn't take hold until 2002. nobody knew what was going to happen in that mid-term. in the great state of new hampshire, that national uncertainty in 2002, that upending of all normal expectations in 2002 was all funneled in that state that year into a very intense competition for u.s. senate seat that year in new hampshire. the incumbent senate republican for new hampshire lost his seat that year. a guy named bob smith. he lost his seat in a republican primary. he lost that republican primary to a political dynasty inheritor, a kid named john sununu who has been george w.h. bush's white house chief of staff. so the president who just got the presidency after his dad had
the presidency, this was the john sununu who got the senate seat after his dad had been white house chief of staff. the jr. was running for that u.s. senate seat in new hampshire that year against the incumbent governor that year. it was an interesting and unpredictable senate races in 2002. it got a lot of national attention, including from one top operative at the republican national committee who ended up taking an active role in how the republican party was going to contest that race. he helped the new hampshire republican party specifically line up some national fire power to bring into that race to try to get john sunumu's son into the senate. this operative from the rnc arranged for a national republican firm to come in from out of state to work specifically on get out the vote operations for that senate race in new hampshire in 2002.
to be specific about it, what this group was actually hired to do was not run their own get out the vote operations for the republican party but rather sabotage and undermine and being run by the democrat. it was a criminal scheme and people ended up going to prison for it. what this national republican group did was they hired a call center to jam the phone lines that the democratic party was going to try to use to help people get rides to the polls to go, hopefully, vote. these were set up at firefighter union halls. people would call in to a hotline number and call in on election day, ask for a ride to the polls. it is kind of a tradition in new hampshire. it is an option used by seniors or anybody else who might have trouble driving themselves to the polls especially in the
winter months. but this republican contractor who worked this specific trace in 2002, they hired this call center to basically shut down what the democrats were doing for their get out the vote. they had this call center send in waves and waves and waves of automatic hang-up calls, specifically to tie up all of those phone calls in the democratic call centers, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of calls one after the other. totally rendering these call centers useless, totally making it impossible for your average senior citizen in new hampshire to call and get a ride to the polls. rick wrote about it in his book from a few years back which is called "the voting wars." he quotes a firefighter volunteering at the phone lines that day. he said, quote, the phones started to ring and as i would pick up one phone, it would automatically bump over to
another line because there was nobody on any of the phones. the phone lines were all dead once we went to pick them up. firefighter says, quote, we gave the police department a call. and calling the police was the right option. people send in automated calls to get out their get out the vote operations. right? it seems like the sort of thing you would invent for teaching people about dirty politics. but this was also a crime. and the police did respond to what happened on election day in new hampshire in 2002. and people got arrested and there ended up being a ton of litigation as to how far up the chain this went, how much, for example, the national republican party knew about it. why was it that the operative from the rnc who had set this whole scheme in motion was on the phone with the white house dozens of times the whole time while his scheme was underway?
it was a big scandal. a bunch of people got arrested, doing serious stints in prison about this. even when the litigation was finally over and people had served their prison sentences years down the road, there was still a ton of bad blood as to who was to blame and who really should have gotten nailed for it. >> it all happened during a hard fought battle for the u.s. senate in new hampshire between jean and republican john sununu. raymond was running a telemarketing firm. he says an old friend from the republican national committee came to him with an idea. use nonstop hang-upcalls to tie up democratic phone calls on election day. >> so you were trying to create chaos. >> that's right. to prevent the democratic party from operating efficiently. >> on election day, the plan
worked until nervous state republicans pulled the plug. and the republican candidate won. though, there is no evidence that phone jamming made the difference. raymond cooperated with authorities and pleaded guilty to conspireing to make harassing phone calls. the republican national committee spent an estimated $3 million to defend its high ranking operative tobin who claimed not to be involved but was convicted. others charged in the scheme, including raymond did not get the rnc support. >> a lot of folks think that because the republican national committee paid $3 million to defend this guy that they have something to hide. >> well, that's a very fair assumption to make and they need to answer for that. >> the rnc declined to comment. both the rnc and the white house deny authorizing the operation. raymond is now someoned by his party and has a felfelon, unablo vote. >> unable to vote. you know, iowa and new hampshire have somehow made it seem
inevitable and permanent their presidential nominating contests are the first in the nation and nobody else is allowed to go first except them and they deserve all the influence that that brings with it. woe be into any other state that tries to take away their status. but iowa and new hampshire have each had their share of problems in terms of the way they have conducted their elections. it is three days now since the iowa democratic caucuses of 2020. today bloomberg news was first to report there appears to have been, tell me if you recognize this one, intentional jamming of the iowa democratic party's hotline on monday night this week, the hotline that present chairs were supposed to use to call in the results from individual caucuses all around the state to the state party. now, a number of things seem to have gone wrong in the iowa democratic caucus vote tabulating vote on monday night and since. when it became apparent this
year's app wasn't going to work and present chairs decided to use the backup plan instead, which was to phone in results to the state party using this hotline, well, that backup plan failed, too when the hotline was overwhelmed, when they couldn't get through and sat there on hold for half an hour, an hour, more than two hours after some of them gave up. in a conference call last night, state party officials reportedly talked amongst themselves about the fact that an excessive number of calls started pouring into the phone lines that the party had set up in their headquarters to receive and tabulate the results from around the state. as "the new york times" put it today, quote, the backup hotline number for caucus organizers to call in results was flooded with nuisance calls after the number was disseminated on social media. the iowa democratic party treasurer said on the closed conference call last night, quote, all the trump people from
around the country started calling and tearing everybody a new one. since that initial reporting, news organizations have tracked down messages like this, which show trump supporters in real-time on caucus night not only posting and reposting the hotline number that the chairs were supposed to use to call in results to the iowa democratic party but explicitly encouraging one another to call and call again to clog up the lines and mess with the ability to carry out the caucus. quote, f them up. keep clogging the lines. keep clogging the lines. now, it is clear that that is not the only thing that went wrong with the tabulation of the iowa caucus results on monday. but that, it turns out, is one of the things that went wrong. and it is the kind of thing we have seen before. the next democratic nominating
contest in 2020 is tuesday in new hampshire. new hampshire state officials today held a press conference to assure everybody in the state and around the country that what happened in iowa isn't going to happen there. that they have everybody confidence that absolutely nothing will go wrong with the primary in new hampshire on tuesday. one reporter asked explicitly whether the 2002 phone jamming scandal from new hampshire might be a worrying past precedence for that state given what appears to have happened in iowa. the governor responded by d dismissing the matter entirely saying it doesn't apply today. it should be noted that the new hampshire governor right now is a man named chris sununu, the younger brother of former senator john sununu, who is the guy that benefitted from the illegal phone jamming season for which people went to prison in new hampshire in that election 18 years ago. so, i mean, once again whether
it is this administration or this year's politics, i mean, everything, i know, feels unprecedent unprecedented. it feels like its going off the rails in a way it never has before. but history is here to help. history is never that far behind current events. and whether it is, you know, donald trump in 2016 calling for the iowa republican caucus results to be nullified because he said ted cruz couldn't have really won in 2016 because ted cruz committed fraud and before those results should be erased or whether people in new hampshire going to prison for a phone jamming scandal in 2002 targeting the democratic party's efforts to carry out its election that day or whether it is the emerging evidence of a new phone jamming scandal targeting the democratic party and their election efforts, i mean, we have been through some of this before which hopefully helps us keep our heads on straight about it and not panic. but the fact that we have been
through some of this before doesn't literally make it easier to get through this current iteration of election difficulties that we are seeing right now. well, tonight right before we got on the air, the iowa democratic party posted what they now say are 100% of the results from the democratic caucuses that were carried out in iowa on monday night this week. bernie sanders remains ahead in terms of the way people voted in stating their initial preferences at caucuses across the state. but the ultimate tally is the delegates. pete buttigieg remains very slightly ahead in terms of the total number of state delegates. so right now, again, with what the iowa democratic party says is 100% of results in, right now it is buttigieg with 26.2% of the state delegates. bernie sanders with 26.1%. elizabeth warren with 18%.
joe biden with 15.8%. nobody else hit that milestone 1% threshold. on the basis of those results, both today and in the -- on the night of the caucuses, we've had pro claims claiming victory. if you ask me, sort of seems fair. they seem pretty much tied. but concerns about the accuracy of the tabulation retain. you might have seen this on the front page of the new york times today, a troubling litany, quote, the results released by the iowa democratic party were riddled with incon skoconsisteid flaws. vote tallies didn't add up. wrong number of delegates to
certain candidates. in at least a few cases the parties reported results that don't match those reported by the precincts. there is no apparent bias in favor of the leaders, meaning the overall effect on the winner's margin may be small. but not all of the errors are minor. and they raise questions about whether the public will ever get a completely precise count of the iowa results. well, compounding that dark assessment from the new york times today, tonight we got the associated press releasing this very blunt statement in which they give up all hope. they give up all hope of calling the race. quote, the associated press says it is unable to declare a winner of iowa's democratic caucuses. they are not saying they are unable to declare a winner right now or that they have thus far been able to declare a winner, but, you know, bear with us. they are just throwing up their hands and saying, nope, we're
not picking a winner here. we are not going to try. in the midst of this, the national chairman of the democratic party, mr. tom perez, weighed in with a bit of a bombshell of his own today saying enough is enough. in light of the problems that have emerged in the implementation of the delegate selection plan and in order to assure public confidence, i'm calling on the iowa demic party to immediately begin a recanvas. that's the chair of the national party telling the iowa democrats they should recanvas their results. if they were going to recount, that would mean gathering up and recounting every single one of the ballots, the presidential preference cards that every iowa caucus goer filled out on monday night. a recanvas instead basically
checks the math on all the tally sheets created. in terms of the amount of work that those two different things entail, a recount would mean looking at about 180,000 different pieces of paper because there were about 180,000 people that turned out to vote in iowa. the recanvas means looking at less than 2,000 pieces of paper. it means looking at about 1,700 peetss of paper, the number of tally sheets there were. so he's asking for a recanvas not a recount. here's the thing. that was a dramatic step for the national democratic party chairman to call for iowa to recanvas its results three days after the caucuses. him calling for that before they put out their final 100% results a few minutes ago. that was a dramatic thing for him to do. it is even more dramatic that it's not clear that iowa will do what he says. nor is it clear, according to them, they would even be allowed
to do a recanvas simply on the say so or the request of democratic national party chairman tom perez. under iowa democratic party rules, it appears to be the case that only a candidate for a campaign can request a recanvas or a recount. and you have to have a good reason for it and they have to pay for it themselves. there doesn't appear to be a provisi provision. so what's going to happen here? i have many questions about what is going on here and how this is going to result. honestly, i would like to ask those questions of tom perez, the chairman of the national democratic party. he joins us live here next.
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does the buck stop with you? should people be mad at the national democratic party? >> listen, i understand that is part of the job. what happened in iowa was unacceptable, and the party chair has acknowledged that. he's apologized for that and we have worked together over the past few days to fix the challenges. and i'm very relieved that we now have 100% reported. at the same time, there have been reports and we have seen in the tabulation process that there were some questions raised. there was an example of a presint in black hawk county where 83 black hawk equivalents were apportioned to patrick, which was a clear error. so we all care. we have a chaired interest in making sure we have accuracy. and, so, what we did today in asking to make sure that people need a recanvas in this presint
or that presint that it's done because we care about accuracy. that's why it took us longer because our north star was indeed accuracy. >> are you calli ining for a state-wide canvas. >> we're calling for the latter because there were reports in a number of presints. i don't know the precise number. and, you know, one of the things that is important for your viewers to understand is in the grand scheme of things, you got to get 1,991 delegates to the national convention to win the nomination. there are 41 in iowa. in all likelihood, given that we have -- there is a concern here, a concern there and a number of presints, in all likelihood that's not going to affect the national delegate math, the range of the allocation of those
41 is not likely to be affected by any additional review because there are over 2,000 or so state delegate equivalents. the reason why i think it's important is because i want to make sure every iowa voter knows their vote is counted and i want to make sure every voter across this country knows their vote was counted and that we take our commitment to accuracy very seriously. >> the way i understand the rules for the state party, at least as articulated through the presto day is they have to have a good reason for it and they have to pay for it if they do it. there doesn't seem to be a provision for anybody else to request that. is the state party going to do what you requested? >> we have been working with them on these examples. i mentioned the incident in black hawk county. that has been corrected. as others come to our attention, i certainly intend to bring them to the attention of the party. i'm sure that we will be able to get through this. listen, you know, i appreciate
the fact that the party chair apologized. you know, they -- this was, you know, a major league failure. he owned up to it, and we have been there with him ever since because we have to get it right. that's why we had a team there. and what we're doing now, rachel, is making sure we count every vote, making sure we follow up on every lead and then make sure we learn from this so that moving forward we are applying these lessons so that everybody will have confidence in every primary or caucus that we have. >> i feel like the national conversation around elections and technology has really been about vulnerability to hacking and bad actors. after what we just went through in iowa, though, there is obviously now this very pressing question as to whether or not the election technology just works, period, whether or not there are external actors trying to mess with it. does the national party, do you
as the national chairman have a role in that or is this a 50 state, 50 systems free for all. >> we absolutely have a role. let me give you an example. we had a long conversation beginning in 2017 about reforms in the party. we do that every four years. make no mistake about it, we're going to do it again after this cycle. and two of the conversations were one about superdelegates and we made major reforms to return power to the people. the other was about primaries and caucuses. and i believe that when you have more primaries, more people participate. and, so, we created incentives for people to participate in primaries. there were 14 states in 2016 that held caucuses. 7 of those states took advantage of the incentives and are now primary states. >> seven states that used to be caucuses are primary states this year. >> correct. iowa chose not to.
they gave us a plan. this gets to the heart of your question about technology. one of the proposals in their plan was to have a telephone caucus for people that couldn't participate. our rules and bylaws committee said no. we said no because we had a red team of cyber security experts that concluded that it posed too many problems. and problems of two varieties. number one, cyber security challenges. and number two basic operational challenges. and this gets to your broader issue. you know, the democratic party, i think, is at its best when our mission, together with our state party partners, is to help democratic win up and down the ballot. we got a pretty good job of that since 2017. we had 15 governors who were democrats when i got on the job. we have 24 now. we flipped ten state houses from red to blue. that is where we are at our sweet-spot. administering elections is a
really challenging thing. i know that because when i was in the civil rights division i sued professionals, people who did this for a living and screwed it up. it is not easy. and i think we have to have a conversation. and we did have that conversation as a party about primaries and caucuses. and what this -- what this experience in iowa teaches me is that conversation needs to continue because it's asking a lot for well intentioned people and the people of iowa are well intentioned. the party chair is well intentioned. everyone around him is well intentioned but this is hard. when you factor in calls being hard and other shenanigans, we need to continue that conversation. and we need to continue the conversation, and we will because every four years we talk about what -- what we learned and what we need to do differently. you know, in 2004 we added south carolina and nevada because we
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i'm focussed on moving forward. i'm focussed on what's happening here in new hampshire, and the 55 states and territories we're going to. i think it's really important as a democrat that we get this straight and we pull together. that's our obligation at this point. >> little glitch in the feed there. we just got that tape fed in. we're here back with tom perez. she's being asked there if you poured fuel on the fire for asking for this, this recanvas. i mean, how is iowa going to resolve? we have mayor buttigieg and senator sanders asking for a recanvassing. the party says they have released 100% of results. when does iowa end? >> i think iowa ends very soon. i know senator warren shares the desire to have accuracy. i want to learn the less sons fm
iowa so we never repeat them. assuming no candidate files a request, it will be surgical. surgical because we want to make sure if somebody raises a question we have an opportunity to answer that question. and make no mistake about it, rachel, we are building an intrastructure across this country because senator warren is spot on. our mission here is to defeat donald trump. and in 2017, '18 and '19, what they all have in common is democrats wanted scale and we built the infrastructure that will help democrats up and down the ticket. that is our focus. i think we're at our best when we're working together with our state parties to help elect democrats up and down the ticket. >> let me tell you the concern that i have heard voiced about what happened in iowa this week that is not about the process failures but is about the prospect of beating donald trump in november.
that was that the turnout was flat. in 2008 turnout was astronomical, it broke all the records. 2016 it came back down to earth. it appears the turnout in iowa was back down at that down to earth level. you can't extrapolate expolice . big democrat numbers tend to translate into democrat party wins in the general election. are democrats not enthusiastic enough about voting? >> no, i don't think so. i think we need to look at a broader set of data, which is 2017, 2018, 2019. look at the kentucky governor's race. people don't know this, but -- not a lot of people know this, but he won 200,000 more votes in 2019 than he won in 2015, and he lost because turn-out went from something like 850,000 to 1.4 million. and people came out and they
came out in droves. why? health care. >> but they didn't come out in droves in iowa. and this was the first chance in the presidential race for democrats to come show their stuff and they didn't turn out. >> we'll see in new hampshire and elsewhere. i don't extrapolate much from one race. it is a conversation. you know, caucuses, even though there were satellite caucuses and other opportunities, you know, the reality is it is harder for people to vote. if you have a shift job, if you are there. make no mistake about it, you know, barack obama is a historic figure. when we benchmark everything against barack obama, that is an undeniably high bar. again, when you look at all the turnout successes we've had over three years, i'm certainly not going to sit here after one caucus and say there is a problem, houston. i'm certainly watching that. but, again, i think the energy is everywhere, and i see it in all my travels and the candidates as well. >> democratic party chairman tom
perez, a man in high demand right now and somebody who had to go through many planes, trains and automobiles to get here on a difficult travel schedule. appreciate it. big show tonight. chuck schumer will be here live next. stay with us. one, two, three! [ dramatic music ] there's only one way this ends. last man standing.
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you cannot be on the side of this president and be on the side of truth. and if we are to survive as a nation, we must choose truth. because if the truth doesn't matter, if the news you don't like is fake, if cheating in election is acceptable, if everyone is as wicket as the wickedest among us, then the hope for the future is lost. >> the democratic leader of the united states senate, chuck schumer addressing his colleagues before yesterday's historic impeachment vote is warning them about what's at stake. of course, the senate voted to acquit president trump. we can see now that the
president is immediately outfor vengeance, going after the one republican senator, mitt romney, who voted to convict him. the white house is now officially blasting out anti-mitt romney talking points. that may not be much of a surprise to see the president bent on revenge, but with the president, the white house and increasingly his fellow republicans on that kind of a par path, what do the democrats do next? what does chuck schumer do now now that we have reached the moment they have been warning about. joining us now is chuck schumer. >> great to be here. >> i feel like i'm hosting a senior democratic salon. >> not that senior. >> pretty close. let me ask you about what i just said there. in the wake of him being acquitted, the president is attacking spoker pelosi, continuing to attack the house impeachment managers, going after senator mitt romney in acute pointed terms.
this is obviously a warning shot from the president threatening any republican who might ever cross him on anything again. do you think that sort of thing works? >> unfortunately it worked with our republican colleagues. if you look at what happened, it was so obvious, for instance, that we should have witnesses and documents. that's truth. democrats sought truth. and republicans were so afraid of donald trump, even though a good number of them knew it was the right thing to do, they didn't do it. now, we walk out of this as disappointed as we are in the republicans and of course in trump with our heads held high because our search for truth, witnesses and documents, a fair trial, leaves trump and the republicans with a victory. three ways. there is a giant asterisk next to this acquittal. it wasn't a fair trial. you know how much value his acquittal has? next to zero because everyone
knew. the american people knew it wasn't a fair trial. second reason, when you are against truth in the right, you pay the price. the republican senators who stuck with trump one way or other will pay a price, all of them with the exception of one, romney. there will be a lot more that will leak out over the next few months that shows the kind of cover-occupy they were involved in. the kind of fear they had with the truth. and it is the first time there was a vote to remove the president that was bipartisan. mitt romney showed tremendous, tremendous courage. but also, our caucus showed tremendous courage. there were a whole number of democratic people in red states who knew they would pay a political price. they did the right thing. that's why as a united caucus, we are so disappointed in the result, but we do feel we struck a cord for truth and eventually that will serve us well.
where do we go from here? one of the first places we go is election security. okay? this showed that donald trump wants to do nothing for election security. we are going to pound the republicans on it, as you know. mitch mcconnell has resisted any kind of election security. there were bipartisan bills to deal with paper ballots so you could always count if somebody interfered, to harden the machinery so no one, russians, right wingers like you showed before could hack it and we have tough sanctions against russia or any other country. we will be putting those out before people and they will be forced to vote on it. we will push hard for election security, as well as going back to some of the issues that really matter to the american people in addition to election security, you know, affordable drug prices, preserving pre-existing conditions, fighting those kinds of fights will be very important. next week, different, we have the right, you know, in the
minority you don't have that much, we will put on the floor a resolution that says no war with iraq unless congress approves with it. >> with iran. >> with iran, i'm sorry. and there will be a vote on that. we will keep pushing and pushing these republicans. >> i was struck by the language you used about senator romney. obviously we see the president attacking him, the white house attacking him. the president's son calling for him to be expelled from the republican party. obviously this is an unusual circumstance, but are you considering asking senator romney to switch parties and become a democrat or an independent? >> i don't think his ideology would let him switch parties. our views on so many things whether it be choice or guns or even the environment, taxes, he was all happily for the tax cuts. it's very far apart. but to work with him in many different ways because he's shown independence. my hope is that if one showed
independen independence, others would glom on. that didn't happen. but maybe it will. our republican friend -- you know, if you looked at the body language, we were proud of the arguments we made. we stood up straight. we listened. when i gave my final speech, you know where all the republicans were? in the cloak room hiding. when mcconnell came on, they all rushed out. our democrats sat and listened to every one of them. first my speech, you showed a little piece of it, and then they listened to the mcconnell speech, which is a tdiatribe of politics. not one rebuttal of why we shouldn't have witnesses and documents, just let's blame everybody, you bad democrats. they lost with the american people. 80% of the american people said, we want witnesses and documents. but the more astounding thing, 65% of republican rank and file, you know, in these polls the republican rank and poll mars to trump. they didn't in this case.
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that were collected certainlypertinent to our request but we couldn't tell how pertinent they may be to the trial, and at some point there were instructions or dictates or requests from them up above. and as a result what was supposed to be turned over to us was withheld from us. that is particularly an issue with the nsa but maybe an issue with the cia as well. >> intelligence committee adam schiff saying there's a new problem to know about. the nsa and the cia as well may have been improperly withholding information about the ukraine scandal from the intelligence committees. we're back with chuck schumer. chairman schiff obviously raised this issue during the impeachment trial on the senate floor. but now the impeachment trial is over the prospect that the intelligence agencies are taking orders from the white house about withholding information
relevant to the scandal i have to ask your response to that. >> i think it's just awful. you know one place that's been somewhat sack rusanct has been the -- the fact that anyone would interfere is really troubling. it's a broader thing. there was an article i think in today's paper that they're going to allow documents to go to the finance committee and judiciary committee, the treasury department about hunter biden. at the same time they're holding back anything about donald trump including his tax returns. if we have a government, if we have a government where the president can allow information to come out that only benefits him and even worse or much more serious thwart information, stop it, cover it up that's unfavorable that's like a
dictatorship. that's what dictators do. in america we believe in facts. we believe in freedom of speech. we believe in freedom of press. we believe we should all have the same facts. we may come to different conclusions from them. if we lose facts, if we lose truth, this country's lost. now, one thing i would say for all that everyone is so upset, we can't lose hope. there is a lot of depth to this country, the founding fathers. they were geniuses. when i read about in high school one of the most worrying things they were worried about was foreign interference in elections. there's depth here. and if we lose hope, it's gone. it's gone if, you know, the turn out you talked about continues, if it's true i don't know how it is for the rest. but if we don't fight we can
lose this country. but conversely if we do and remember that right succeeds in the long run, the ark of history is long and bends in the direction of justice, the bible justice will flow like mighty waters. if we fight, we can win. so i would say to all the people listening, don't give up. i'm more invigorated to make this fight in every way we can, not just electorally but as we go through than i've ever been because we'i've seen some good had 340 democrats on in one week. when you go to your show there were people lined up behind. only a handful of republicans in the same a few. they were embarrassed about their arguments. you can win if you stick with what's right and fight for it. so please don't give up, rachel audience. >> democratic senator chuck schumer, thanks for being here, sir. we'll be right back.
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a lot can happen in one hour. we've been on the air for one hour and in that time we got the 100% final results we believe from the iowa caucuses. again, this is what the iowa democratic party says is with 100% of results in. the delegate allocation in iowa, 26.2% to pete buttigieg, 26.1% to senator bernie sanders. both of those campaigns have now declared victory in iowa. in third place senator elizabeth
warren at 18%. joe biden in fourth place at 15.8%. amy klobuchar just a couple of points behind him. again, that's with 100% of results in tonight. tonight here in a live interview just moments ago democratic chairman tom perez who made a lot of waves today calling for iowa to recanvas his results clarified with me on the air it's a surgical precinct by precinct recanvas, basically checking them out and anyplace where there are questions or troubles with the results. he's not calling for a statewide
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