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was called an epidemic of international concern by world health organization they called for $252 million of funding to be taken back rather than put towards epidemic response. they have dismantled command, chain of kmanld within the administration and dhs and the national security council. most importantly, what they've done, they're not investing in the u.s. health system that would be essential. i am at mass general in boston, i can tell you our ability to address these diseases is to have the resources we need to be able to respond if it comes. >> all right. dr. vanessa kerry, thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. we appreciate everybody watching this week and certainly appreciate all of the team members of "morning joe" for helping us bring you the news. and we have another big week to come, and setting that up right now, stephanie ruhle.
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>> thank you so much, joe. hi there, i am stephanie ruhle. it is friday, february 7th. and right now in the race for president, the focus is on the state of new hampshire where voters will cast the first primary ballots in four days. the focus shifting after iowa where the democratic party released all its results last night with 100% of the precincts. pete buttigieg leads bernie sanders by .1%. now even those results are in question. the decision desk at nbc spotting a dozen precincts where there are errors or inconsistencies as the chairman of the democratic national committee tom perez distanced himself from the misstep, calling for recanvas, saying enough is enough. >> i want to make sure every iowa voter knows their vote was counted and want to make sure every voter across the country knows their vote was counted and that we take our commitment to
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accuracy very seriously. >> the candidates move to new hampshire with seven of them taking the debate stage in manchester. latest polls from the granite state show it may be mayor buttigieg and bernie sanders battling for the top spot tuesday. reporters are in new jersey and new hampshire. ali vitale in manchester, maura barrett in des moines. take us where you are. how are candidates going to recover from the rough start in iowa? >> reporter: i think all of us are trying to recover from a rough start in iowa. maura next to me is still in iowa. that's how you know something went wrong at the start of primary season. look, this state of new hampshire is really important for everyone not named pete buttigieg or bernie sanders. both those two candidates were able to claim some victory out of iowa. you are seeing it in the polling bumps and dollar signs, both putting up big numbers. pete buttigieg in the few days
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following iowa caucus, bernie sanders at $25 million for all of january. for the rest of the field, really history looms over new hampshire. it has been a state that's been a game changer for candidates before. it is hard to win the nomination if you haven't placed, history would tell you, in iowa or new hampshire. clearly the pressure on. someone like joe biden who really underperformed in iowa didn't even campaign in the state yesterday. elizabeth warren who overperformed the former vice president, when i asked her a question about iowa yesterday said she is not focusing on iowa. she's here to look forward to new hampshire. and amy klobuchar when i interviewed her yesterday felt she was punching above her weight getting that close to the former vice president in iowa, clearly others using joe biden as the legitimacy factor. amy klobuchar is interested in how 42 some odd% of undeclared voters in new hampshire will vote. in talking to new hampshire voters, they feel like the pressure is on.
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they want to deliver the first decisive decision to the nation, steph. >> explain the current dispute between the iowa democratic party and the dnc. >> reporter: there's a lot of frustration between the two entities now. two democratic leaders familiar with the situation say tom perez's tweet calling for the recanvas came as a complete surprise to those in iowa. the delegate selection plan they put out that the dnc approved, that's something that only campaigns can do. as of now, the deadline is noon. we haven't heard if campaigns are filing for that. the recanvas means the iowa democrats have to go through by hand checking worksheets one by one to confirm results, which we know they have been doing this entire week. that's why it has taken so long for results. tom perez is asking them to do
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it again. some democratic leaders tell me dnc had a hand in all of the process with app approval, hiring a cyber security consultant, they were working hand in hand. this should not have come as a surprise to the dnlz either. >> thank you so much. we have to bring in steve kornacki. steve, you finally have the numbers. you had zeros next to you for at least a day. what do we do with them? what's the take away? >> you see numbers here now, you see 100%, you don't see what you normally would, you would see a check mark next to the winner. nbc news is not declaring a winner now in the iowa caucuses, even though 100% is in. why is nbc news not declaring it, because our decision desk and a number of other media outlets have taken a look at the data, tally sheets made available from the caucuses, and they've seen inconsistencies,
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flaws in data. they do not have confidence this is a fully complete and accurate accounting of results in iowa. and the margin, one tenth of 1%. a difference of two state delegate equivalent. that's a tiny, microscopic difference. the closest it would be if official, the closest result in the history of the iowa caucuses. four years ago bernie sanders versus clinton, they didn't declare until the next day, margin was four state delegate equivalent, that was the closest in history. never thought we would see a closer one, yet looks like we have. so close with errors, stephanie, with questions of whether the state party followed the correct tabulating procedures for satellite caucuses. decision desk does not believe now -- sorry, what's that? >> voice in your head. no problem. >> the decision desk does not --
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>> yes. to have full confidence to declare a winner, you can't have those kinds of inconsistency. >> carlos car bell a, and former democratic congressman from new york, steve israel. congressman israel, what position are the democrats in now? you have 94% of republicans, doesn't matter what they say in private, standing behind their president. we know tom perez is distancing from the iowa democratic party. what's going on? >> you're right. saddens me to say this is the democrats political version of katrina, an absolute meltdown, a mess. needs to be accountability. >> why? >> we have to do a review of exactly what happened but we can't wait to be analyzing this, we need to move on, consolidate
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our base. here is what i worry about. the story line is how close, incompetent the caucus has been. i think there was fairly low turnout in iowa. we talk about massive energy democrats have against donald trump, it didn't manifest itself in iowa. trump consolidated his base. if democrats don't consolidate our base and move to swing voters in seven battleground states, donald trump will be president another four years. >> why was there depressed turnout, even if it is not consolidated, you would think everybody would show up for their respective candidate. >> they didn in 2008, that led o election of barack obama and his re-election. i don't know what's in the water in iowa. first of all, we believe the turnout is low, steve told us what is really believable in iowa. we have to really take a look at it. clearly it lacked energy that pundits like myself and others have said exist in the
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democratic caucus, democratic electorate. >> if you don't know what's in the water in iowa, donte, what's in the water in new hampshire? how energized are voters there? >> they've seen a lot of candidates all year long. i think new hampshire voters are nervous about defeating donald trump on the democratic side. they've had a hard time decid g deciding, joe biden's loss in iowa threw them for a loop. now they're shopping, they're trying to make a final decision. turnout could be above the levels of 2016. a lot of undeclared voters, not in the republican priermt, it is not competitive. >> no surprise president trump and allies are mocking democrats right now.
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do you think long term what happened this week helps republicans in november or by next week are we onto the next? >> stephanie, i think what's happened the last few months and you could argue the last few years is not just bad for republicans and democrats but it is bad for the country, and half the country is solidly behind the president. the problem democrats have is that the other half is split in half as to how to confront the president. there's this healing son si conciliatory narrative, and then there's a fighting narrative carried by bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. i can tell you that the trump campaign prefers a symmetrical warfare, base on base fight. they think they can win. they believe that's how they won in 2016. and then there's a big x factor out there, all of the uncertainty that steve kornacki
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explained helps one democratic candidate, michael bloomberg, another candidate who is capable of building a coalition that could perhaps compete with the president's base. the big problem democrats have now is the longer that this fight drags on, the stronger the president will become and harder it will be to defeat him in november. >> congressman israel, if donte is right and voters in new hampshire are shopping, will they show up to make a purchase on tuesday because if there really is this rage against president trump and he is a threat to our democracy, wouldn't every possible voter show up to the primary? >> sure, you would hope so. i think carlos is right, when they show up, are they purchasing from first aisle of the store or second aisle. >> even if it is split, isn't it more important to see everybody show up? >> vitally important. but this could be messy. here's what we should be watching for in new hampshire. do bernie and buttigieg turn on one another, does the rest of
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the field turn on bernie and buttigieg, is amy klobuchar, i love her, but if she doesn't perform well here, tough to make the argument, and then as carlos says you have a shadow off stage of michael bloomberg who spent $188 million in the primary. >> you didn't mention joe biden. >> i was going to get there. joe biden needs a reset. bottom line here, looking at the moment, we have a lot of politics to play. >> hold on. why does joe biden need a reset but maybe it is time for amy klobuchar to step away. her numbers may be below biden, he should be significantly higher than her, why is it time for her to go and time for joe to get it together. >> it is about delegate count, who goes into milwaukee with a sizable number of delegates. maybe amy can do it. and she does have the time. we still have, as i said before, we have a lot of ground to
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cover. nevada is ahead. south carolina, super tuesday in march. we have a lot of political events and decisions making ahead of us. as low and depressed as democrats may feel at this moment, this is like when you turned on the super bowl the other day, if you weren't rooting for kanlz cisas city, i ended up pretty good. >> and this race is reminding me of 2000. in 2000, republicans were up against al gore but bill clinton, a popular bill clinton. george w. bush sputtered at the beginning. yeah, he was able to win a close race. even though things look tough for democrats now, this could end up being like 2000, 2020 could be a close race. anyone could win it. we have to see. >> donte, take us from polls to the ground. buttigieg continues to surge in new hampshire but you're in bernie sanders territory. what does it look like there?
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>> reporter: bernie sanders is holding steady in new hampshire. he has been remarkably durable, despite all of the talk that there would be a lot of bad feelings how sanders allegedly treat clinton during the general election. new hampshire voters like bernie. the question for me is can sanders expand his base over the next few days beyond young voters, progressive voters, and voters who basically live in his backyard along the border between vermont and new hampshire because i believe sanders is more solid than pete buttigieg, but pete's ceiling may be higher than bernie's, especially if he can attract suburban voters in new hampshire, along the massachusetts border. >> congressman curbelo, what do you think republicans want more? >> again, i think the president wants a base on base fight. i think he would feel a lot more comfortable against a bernie sanders, against an elizabeth warren, and i think he would
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really struggle against candidates that are capable of building a national coalition. again, i'm taken back to 2000. george w. bush knew that bill clinton was popular, that the economy was doing well, so his path to the presidency was to say he would restore honor and dignity to the white house, whether you liked george w. bush or not or whether you think that he did that or not, i happen to think he did, that was the winning strategy, and i think that candidates like buttigieg, biden, bloomberg, klobuchar, are capable of taking that message to the american people. base on base strategy i think benefits the president. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. if you want to hear more from candidates and their message, watch tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. i will be in new hampshire, moderating a forum with eight of the 2020 presidential candidates, up there ahead of
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tuesday's primary. stream it live on and next, a former member of trump's cabinet set to make a big 2020 endorsement. here's a clue, it is not for the president, it is a democrat running against his former boss. and two minutes for sentences, that's how long president clinton's post acquittal speech was. we'll dig into how starkly different to the long victory lap president trump took yesterday. >> i want to say again to the american people how profoundly sorry i am. >> it was all [bleep]. i am >> it was all [bleep].
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12 weeks ago he was a sitting cabinet member, handpicked by president donald trump. today he will endorse a democrat for the next president. former navy secretary richard spencer, lifelong republican, expected to formally back michael bloomberg in an hour. the ousted trump appointee says bloomberg will uphold the uniform cold of military justice. you may recall spencer was publicly fired in november after he challenged the president's decision to let a navy s.e.a.l. acquitted of murder keep his s.e.a.l. status. courtney kube is in virginia where spencer is expected to
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take the stage alongside mayor bloomberg as i said in about an hour. courtney, he was a cabinet member chosen by president trump but fired very publicly. is this about the way trump handled the gallagher case or is there more to the endorsement? >> reporter: as you mentioned, steph, he was a cabinet member for a short time, served as acting secretary of defense. most people in the united states don't know who the service secretaries are, so it is uncommon that he is such a household name, but it was because of the way he was fired, the very public way he was fired last november. he spoke out against president trump getting involved in the uniform code of military justice cases, and the specific case of eddie gallagher, navy s.e.a.l. accused of war crimes during deployment, acquitted of most, president trump intervened to convict of the last charge. secretary spencer was vocal
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about the fact he was against the president getting involved in that, and ultimately it led to the secretary of defense mark esper asking for his resignation. sorry. whoa. it is a very windy and rainy r norfolk. >> courtney, go inside. >> i think we have to wrap. >> i want you to head inside. close that umbrella. we have the gist of it. safety first. up next, going scorched earth, a newly embolden president trump lashing out, who could be next in the president's cross hairs. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one.
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president trump back at work post impeachment. payback was clearly on his mind during the scorched earth celebration speech. now his political adversaries are left wondering what the next shoe will be, will it drop. david drucker, senior correspondent for washington examiner, david jolly, from florida, no longer affiliated with the party, and steve israel
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back with me. mr. drucker, we heard stephanie grisham say some are going to have to pay for this impeachment. what does that mean. didn't they already pay? no witnesses, the president was acquitted. his approval rating was higher than ever, the economy is kicking it. why not take the money and run if you're trump? >> that's not how trump operates. what he believes is punching down or up to enemies, depending whether it is punching down or up works for him. it is how he won the election, how he believes he was able to gain two senate seats in 2018 as he lost the house and lost a couple of swing state senate seats, this is where he is most comfortable. i would say for a re-election campaign that is trying to reach beyond the base, but is still built around motivating the base, in other words, motivating people that voted for him in 2016, motivating people that would only vote for him if they had shown up in 2016.
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trying to get them to show up next time around. a president always fighting, backs down. i have been on the trail talking to voters past couple of years, some of them suburban voters say i wish he would cut it out, but i love his policy. i talked to others that say this is the only way he is able to get things done. for them, this behavior is a feature, not bug. i would say it was interesting to watch the juxtaposition between a state of the union address that was probably the political rally the republican establishment wanted to see from trump, all about the economy, all about everybody almost but himself, and yesterday's victory lap if you can call it that where he was taking names, marking names down, promising everybody revenge was on hand. >> quickly, state of the union was about everybody but himself. how would you characterize second line of the state of the union where he said he took us
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out of economic decay when the truth is he landed at the tail end of economic expansion and continued it. how is that not about him? it wasn't even the truth. >> i didn't say it was entirely about everybody else, but i said when you look at most state of the unions, it is usually all about him. so much of that state of the union was casting a spotlight on all of the guests he had in the gallery. for the first time that i can recall watching him give this kind of speech he name checked republican allies in congress for the legislation they helped get to his desk. one point few and far between, talked about criminal justice reform said it was because of everybody in this room. i am not saying he didn't make it about himself entirely, i'm just saying that given that's what politicians do in any
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event, it was a different speech than you saw the next day. as i talked to republicans watching state of the union, some sources were telling me this is amazing. i wonder if it will last past 8:00 a.m. next morning. lasted until 1:00 in the afternoon. >> did you not watch the prayer breakfast? let's go to you, congressman jolly, exacting revenge, punishment. what does that look like? i will agree with david, different impression, in terms of motivator for base, they like the angry populism. i would say to donald trump keep doing it, that anger, pet lens is a political liability for suburban areas that turned out in 2018. there's a basic question this week. would you teach your kids to emulate doug jones and senator mitt romney or teach your kids to emulate donald trump. i think we all know the answer. what democrats are able to do
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in '18, took policy issues like health and immigration, said it is not just about contrast in policy, it is about cruelty of republicans that don't have a substitute plan on health care or build the wallboarder security is ripping kids from parents. the cruelty is he is a political liability. it is not the only thing democrats can run on, it is part of the message why democrats need to restore sound policy and leadership to west wing. >> congressman israel, you wrote an op-ed criticizing republicans for staying in lock step with the president no matter what. aren't democrats in the same position on the other side? at this point can they support anything donald trump does? >> we have the most polarized society, most polarized congress. a lot has to do with congressional gerrymandering, districts are drawn to far left, far right. most of our former colleagues don't wake up in fear of losing
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a general election, they wake up in fear of losing in a primary to somebody that's further to the left, further right. both sides are clinging to far left, far right, that's not good for society. point of "new york times" op-ed was this. i don't understand why there aren't more mitt romneys in the senate. i talked to former republican colleagues that were never trumpers two years ago. >> talking philosophically. >> talking pragmatically. >> look at the kind of support he has. >> how did that support solidify? a lot of former colleagues were never trumpers, they fall into rationalization. they say what you said. i don't like his tweets, tax cuts are good, deregulation is good, but mostly they live in fear of him. they're afraid he is going to tweet something viral about them or that he is going to stand up a primary against them and they
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live in fear. >> okay. that being the case, congressman jolly, doesn't the president's conduct as the punisher in chief work? >> it does. but listen, we also have 23 republican senators on the ballot in 2020 as well, most who should go to defeat based on lack of leadership. there are times in politics where it is okay to be jean yal, and times we have to judge moral leadership of the people that serve us and they serve us in public office. i agree with steve israel exactly, in the house, gerrymandering created hyper partisanship. you see effects of that in the senate and as a result of the big money that's tied to partisan interests that's required to win big races. at the end of the day, as a nation we judge the moral character of 100 united states senators. we look to doug jones, mitt romney this week, look with scorn on the likes of lindsey graham, ted cruz and others that made a mockery of the
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impeachment trial. donald trump on the most critical element of his leadership, moral failings as leader of the nation. >> thank you all so much. president trump hinging his 2020 campaign on the economy and based on today's jobs report. we breakdown the strong number and what it means going forward. . ♪ ♪ ♪ applebee's new irresist-a-bowls now starting at $7.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. a former army medic, made of the we maflexibility to handle members like kate. whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once.
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the markets just opened this
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morning. as you can see, they're slightly down in the red, this after the first glimpse at how the economy is shaping up for 2020 and it looks good. january jobs report shows the economy added 225,000 jobs in the first month of the year, unemployment ticked up to 3.6%, that was due to more people entering the work force. joining me, senior markets correspondent dom chu, cnbc contributor. and walk us through the numbers, dom. >> the numbers are generally positive. what we have is a situation where job growth seems to be accelerating for the time being. what you have is this notion like you said that more people are trying to enter the work force. the reason the unemployment rate is higher, people are trying to find jobs. when you are trying to find work, you are counted in the unemployment number. that's why. the other reason is whether or not there are seasonal factors at play. there was warmer weather in many parts of the country, you saw up tick in hiring in leisure and
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hospitality as people look to vacation, get away, do other things. home construction and building, because better weather, means they can lay foundations for homes and start construction on them. those are two interesting points there. the other interesting point, one of the things mentioned maybe summer of last year, the notion of benchmark revisions, after they have taken stock the last year or so of unemployment numbers, we did see that the overall number of jobs created between spring of 2018 and spring of 2019 fell, less by 514,000 jobs. if looking for a negative in the report, that's where it's going to come. >> buying homes, building homes, going on vacation. dan, how does that square with the blue collar boom the president talked about two nights ago. >> it doesn't. dom didn't mention the manufacturing decline in the jobs numbers. when you think of that, there are pockets of the economy getting workers that have not been part of the work force in a
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long time, back in the work force, making numbers look better. it is important to think about how is the rate of the job gains, how does it look over the trump administration, and it is really decelerating, think of the 225 number in january, that's the average in the last ten years, which includes obama period. then the question you ask yourself, how does that flow into economic growth. are we adding the right jobs to accelerate the economy, then look at gross domestic product, and you see that that's decelerating in the last three years of the trump administration, q1 now, we have a bang up jobs number for january, we're looking at 2% gdp. that's below the ten year average. when you think about what got us here last year, the fed entered quantitative easing, started to expand the balance sheet. three rate cuts. that's what it is going to take to get to ten year average in job gains on a monthly basis, also in gdp, then you say to yourself how strong is the economy.
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>> don't forget a tax cut, massive corporate tax cut that clearly has been a tremendous gift to the bottom line for all of the companies, all that money. dom, how good is this picture. >> the picture, if more people are working, it is a good thing. we have that going for us which is nice. the issue is yes, dan nathan is right, there's a pace of slow down in job growth but it is better than many other parts of the world. i would also say the one kind of issue the economy is having is that job gains are not translating at least right now into massive hourly earnings growth. >> why? >> that's the question. if you have the federal reserve putting that much money in the system and corporate profits are there, why aren't workers making more money. they are, they're making 3.1% more now the past month than a year ago. that's not a lot by any means, but still an improvement. the issue is why not have even more gains in wages if the labor
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mashlgt is so tight. you have unemployment at multi decade lows, why are job gains not translating into higher gains for workers. that's a key for 2020 and beyond. >> why is that? south carolina is one of the states doing the best in terms of growth or doing the worst in terms of working poor? >> listen, two economies here. this goes back to one of the issues in our country now, real existential threat, income inequality, different jobs for different people in different parts of the country, you think of urbanization, where jobs exist, it is on the coast for the most part. listen, i think when you have unemployment at 50 year lows, it is an issue you talk a lot about, disintermediation of the economy, you said at the state of the union, the president can give a nod to blue collar
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worker, but we know a lot of the jobs are automated. the question is how are the jobs and workers going to transition in the new economy now, and at this point i think these jobs numbers don't really speak to that. you think where are we adding workers, these are people finally getting off the map, saying i'm going back into the work force, but with 3% year over year wage inflation, that's not fantastic. that's a great point dom makes. >> thank you both so much. when we come back, stark contrast, two presidents, both impeached with very different messages to the nation following that impeachment. ages to the nag that impeachment yes! yes. yes. yeah sure. yes yes. yeah, yeah no problem. yes. yes, yes a thousand times yes! discover. accepted at over 95% of places in the u.s. discover. it looks like this. for heart failure look like? ♪ the beat goes on ♪ entresto is a heart failure pill that helps improve your hearts ability
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adam schiff is a vicious, horrible person. nancy pelosi is a horrible person. >> this can be and this must be a time of reconciliation and renewal for america. >> it was all [bleep]. >> president clinton's post impeachment apology stands in stark contrast to what we saw from president trump yesterday. how will history remember these men? i have the perfect person to ask. doris concerns goodwin, presidential historian and author. doris, two very different men, also very different time back then. give us a sense of the country then and now. >> you're so right, the country rewarded president clinton for having taken responsibility, accepting that burden with 70%
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approval, similarly, jfk took responsibility for bay of pigs, said he learned lessons from it, the country pushed him up to 83% approval. now we're at a time vindictiveness is met with vindictiveness, bitterness, increased the ardor of opponents. it is a vicious cycle that we're in. >> you said in the past every president you analyzed, studied, once they're in office and see the country and start to understand it, they shift, they grow empathetic. is there any catalyst that could change the president's conduct or political message at this point? >> i think the only catalyst is going to come from the other side, from the ground up. you want a president to grow. i keep imagining that in each moment somehow the victory here could lead to a sense of okay, this is behind me, and yet it
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seems like he's going to have to be pushed from the other side. and we've seen that break in a political cycle before. you look at the 2018 elections, long lines waiting to vote, women voting, running for the t ever before, more veterans in there than ever before. yet, there was a low turnout in iowa, yet, 58% of the caucusgoers were women. so i have got to think that what will break this cycle, women know what it's like to teach your kids to take responsibility, to meet adversity, to learn from lessons and maybe that will be the lesson that comes out of the next election cycle. >> but doris, the country -- >> that's what you have to hope. >> i hope. the country has been through worst periods of divisions, think of the civil war. but right now the differences that culture and lawmakers specifically seem to have a stake in keeping the country polarized rather than bringing it together. isn't that the difference today? >> i think it is true that their
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short term stake is in doing that but they have long term ambitions too. they have to think about how they'll be remembered by history. we have seen a couple moments of that. and i think in the long run we're going to come back to that. but it has to come from the ground up. the anti-slavery movement did it for lincoln, not that he issued the emancipation proclamation alone. it was the progressive movement under teddy roosevelt and the women's movement t gay rights movement. we have to remember that citizens have power and citizens can change this terrible cycle we're in. i have to believe that. teddy roosevelt warned that it wouldn't change and -- and we have to be the nonpartisan drawing of lines. fdr said problems created by man can be solved by man.
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we have to believe that again and not feel that we're exhausted by the process. >> doris, you find the optimism in everything. >> you've got to. >> you've got to. find your moral compass. you have to look for it. thank you, doris. >> you're so welcome. coming up how will democrats respond to the white house threatening pay back for impeachment? a member of the house judiciary committee will be here. but first -- you must stay for this story. a mother turned to an anti-vaccine forum on facebook. one of the 139,000 members, looking for advice on how to help her son who is sick with the flu. that 4-year-old boy died. that story is next. that story is next ople 45 plus at average risk. i've heard a lot of excuses to avoid screening for colon cancer. i'm not worried. it doesn't run in my family. i can do it next year. no rush. cologuard is the noninvasive option that finds 92% of colon cancers. you just get the kit in the mail, go to the bathroom, collect your sample, then ship it to the lab. there's no excuse for waiting.
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a 4-year-old boy, a baby, whose mother sought advice from an anti-vaccine facebook page on how to treat flu symptoms, that boy has died. the mother reached out the members of an anti-vaxer group saying that her son was prescribed tamiflu but didn't fill the prescription. she complained that natural remedies were not working and she asked for advice, which included breast milk, thyme or elderberry. i want to bring in the reporter behind the very important story. help us understand this.
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even for people who believe in homeopathic remedies, integrative medicine. 139,000 people on it, run by a grifter who's making money. this isn't a doctor. >> no. this is 139,000 member facebook group that isn't just promoting alternative cares but is an extreme group that distrusts all doctors, medical advice, the whole thing just filled with conspiracy theories from coronavirus to the flu to vaccinati vaccinati vaccinations. it's led by a guy, regardly cook and he's a grifter. he has no children. he has no expertise. he's used facebook to build up this massive group. he's raised hundreds of thousands of dollars and what he does is he creates this
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community of extreme fear and distrust in which people come to for advice when they don't trust medical experts. they don't trust big pharma. so they come to this group and ask for advice. this is what the majority of the women here do now. they trade and offer advice into how to avoid vaccines, flu shots, medical treatments of all kinds. >> he's doing this in the house of mark zuckerberg, they're billionaires, why did they allow in their house, their platform? do they take any accountability? >> so facebook reached out to us and after the story went to print that they were sorry about the boy's death. we have a statement from them. they're sorry and they want to stop misinformation that is shared on the platform. >> did they shut down the group? >> no. no. so they have known about this group for years. this is disinformation space number one when it comes to
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health. they have made little efforts to stop it, to downrank it. groups were the way that they pivoted. but these are baby steps, incremental. they respond to people like journalists like me public health advocates who complain about a single post when a baby is hurt or in this case when a baby has died. they respond to each one. it's whack-a-mole and ineffective. >> could this mother be in legal trouble? >> i don't know. there are some laws that regulate how we must care for our children and how neglect figures into that. but the bigger story is not this mother. it's where she went for where she went to advice and facebook failed her. >> my heart goes out to that family and facebook can stop it and they have the power to do it. thank you. i want you to read the story. that wraps up this hour. coming up more news with hallie jackson. >> thank you so much. as we come on the air this is a
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friday of roller coasters, recanvassing, and retribution. this morning you have the democratic race getting tighter by the minute by showing the bounce for one candidate and a dip for others. we're live on the new hampshire campaign trail with the inside scoop on the closing arguments and then the unfinished argument in iowa. a critical deadline a couple of hours away and whether anyone will ask for a caucus recanvass in iowa. back here in washington, the president is keeping his enemies close, after a presidential pay back. cleaning the house, the white house that is what our sources are telling us about president trump and his so-called impeachment enemies. we're following all of the new developments this morning and we want to start with our nbc


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