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i'm interested to see where she finishes. pulls off a third-place win the quiet conversations whether or not she'll drop out after new hampshire will go away. obviously, there's work to do with black and brown voters as we talked about in nevada and south carolina. but this could give her momentum to move her to super tuesday. >> when you look how small percentage in the overall delegate count new hampshire and iowa get, curious to get your thoughts how that process has been played out by the candidates themselves? are you getting a sense perhaps just because the delicate count is so small some feel there's a lot more for the race to be fought over? or do you think it will be pretty well defined, at least the top tier candidates defined after today? >> i think with the exception of bernie sanders, if he pulls out a win will peel away as the national front-runner, that's clear. candidates are looking past new
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hampshire, past iowa. they're all talking publicly and privately it will be a very long primary so delegates are heavy on everyone's mind. >> thank you, reading axios a.m. in a little bit. that does it for us on this tuesday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin. a special edition of "morning joe" live from new hampshire starts right now. these sheets are signed not only by the precinct chair and the precinct secretary, there we go. by the precinct chair and precinct secretary also signed by campaign representatives. >> wow. symbolic. clearly things came unglued in iowa. well, today is new hampshire. good morning. new hampshire decides. a face-off against donald trump in november. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." live from manchester, new hampshire. it is tuesday, february 11, primary day. polls open across the state just minutes from now.
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>> yeah. i -- so excited. >> are you excited? >> of course i'm excited. this is like christmas eve. >> look at this! >> what? >> bernie sanders at the top of the list with a seven-point edge over pete buttigieg. joe biden drops back. trailed by senators warren and klobuchar. we have live interviews with two of those candidates, biden and buttigieg, straight ahead. plus, a full roster of the reporters and political insiders who have been tracking this race every step of the way. >> so, willie, i mean, come on. we are a little harsh on the poor iowa guy. okay? >> it's getting sad now. let's just move away. >> settle down. leave him alone. >> let's just let him be. >> focus on new hampshire and just -- >> let him wallow. >> now, you see. look. come on. >> straight our "veep." >> that's the scene of "veep." >> this is a special edition, as ayman said before the show began. very excited, john heilemann. he brought his grave diggers
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best. those pants right there. >> yeah. >> oh, my gosh. >> they're george off the abby road. >> i've had a hard couple weeks. these were intact before this primary started. >> yeah. >> you see a hard couple weeks are those are $500 in brooklyn. >> exactly. >> and just like -- >> but they're here! >> it happens in iowa. >> look so cool with all those torn, like, parts of your jeans. >> anyway, let's go around. there's nothing i love more than planned spot -- >> it's great. >> and those jeans are screaming but that's not why people tuned into this show today. tuned into the show because first of all let's talk about what was going on across the street. last night. >> everybody's going to be looking at the pants. look -- i see you laughing. see? what a poser. come on. he bought them yesterday in a brooklyn hipster store for like
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$8000. >> i'm the only one that's allowed to be mean to john. >> let's talk about the trump rally last night. i got to tell you, penal were waiting outside in the cold, driving rain all day. i ran into a couple of the guys that were going over there. they were just excited. it's like they were going to a super bowl. the level of -- i mean, you know, i think donald was trying to get in everybody's head here. he actually, it was a wonderful reminder for democrats, just what is in front them. >> yeah. >> that these people are intense, and they're standing by their man. if democrats think they're going to be able to just select anybody and win, they're sadly mistaken. talk about -- take us inside the room last night, over 10,000 people and, yes, trump did the snake. >> he did the snake. we'll get to in a second. yes. new hampshire is a place the president and his team think they -- one of the few states
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they can flip this time around. maybe new mexico, longer shot. barely lost here. new hampshire, a special place in his heart. site of his first primary victory. it was here, in this ballroom, in this very hotel where he had a rally where he learned it was, waiting to come onstage and learned james comey was reopening the investigation of hillary clinton in october of 2016. a place that has always -- he's always felt a connection to. certainly their fans camped out, his supporters camped out since sunday in advance of yesterday. it was packed. well more than 10,000 people. obviously feel going. first rally since the impeachment acquittal. talked a lot about the company, urged voters to select, go out today and vote for the weakest democratic candidate. didn't say who it was but in the vote suggested vote for bernie sanders, thinks easiest to beat come november and repeated the lie that in 2016 he would have
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won this state, new hampshire, except that massachusetts, their bus is full of democrats bused up from massachusetts, which, of course, have not true and, yes, we heard this date, 1960s al wilson song turned into an al go gore -- allegory. something he only does on special nights and only get "rose li "roselita" on certain nights. >> comparing the snake to ro rosalita. doesn't work. and alexander accor went to the -- theally went well. >> incredible. unh, 7,500 people, more if it was a bigger venue. he was a rock star.
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play sound in a second, each and every one incredible. had the stroke there's. it was literally a rock consered and i mean, it's a movement. >> there's aoc. >> there's something, talked yesterday about this being about biden's missed opportunities and amy's surge. today should be about sanders strength because it was pretty remarkable. >> and -- >> wow. >> a fun rally. john heilemann you actually went to joe biden's rally last night. >> how did it compare to this? >> smaller. smaller, by about, 7,500 people there, alex? trying to do the math. what? 150, percentage of, portion of 7,500 would be. >> we don't know who will show up at the polls and don't know if they're from here. >> we don't. again, no reason, bernie sanders won the state by a vast margin last time and looks like he's turned out a bunch of people again. sanders by every reckon being looking at that event and
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everything else since he's been here. walk in front-runner i think he'll wall out winning this thing, look at the data, no reason to think he won't win and win big and the front-runner for the democratic nomination. joe biden had about maybe 150 people in a room and they were very, for 150 people, they made a lot of noise. a definite sense of people coming who felt like they did not want the last event here in new hampshire to feel funeerial. a lot of chanting. biden himself was very loud. music was very loud. jill biden took on a heckler, like, physically. a guy who tried to charge at the vice president, and his wife got in the way of that. >> as she explained later. >> jill. >> drinking a beer in a pub, i'm a philly girl. like that ain't nothing. >> so obviously people do have affection for joe biden but it's telling that the message begins yesterday and again last night from the biden campaign is, just
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you wait until south carolina. >> right. >> almost not even talking about new hampshire anymore bracing themselves for a fourth or potentially fifth place here. let the voters vote and see where it settles out. but they're talking about south carolina. not even talking about new hampshire. >> and joe biden is our guest today. >> and i was with elizabeth warren. barnicle and i went to spor portsmouth. standing room only. nothing on the level of bernie sanders but bigger definitely than joe biden's crowd. look, she inspires great passion in the people who love her and believe in her message. very optimistic. very hopeful. we'll see where she falls. interesting if you believe the conventional wisdom that bernie sanders is likely to win and mayor pete a second place that third place slot or potentially second for her. we'll see. becomes very important. you don't want to fall down to fourth or fifth. >> no. amy in third is bad news for elizabeth and joe. >> and definitely for joe biden.
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yeah. i went to a pete buttigieg event last night also and, you know, i was struck by how different it was from the joe biden i vent i had been to here and a lot more energy, a lot of interest. very diverse crowd for new hampshire in terms of age and kind of approach, which was different from a bernie sanders rally, but look. that rally underscores the giant divide in the democratic party. i think kind of the growing sense of movement and excitement towards a bernie sanders character. i mean, you're seeing the national polls are moving. joe biden can't claim anymore he's got a lockdown on those national numbers. you're seeing bernie sanders african-american support tick up a little bit from where it was in 2016. >> and you saw the poll yesterday. bloomberg is in second place. >> yes. >> nationally. >> nationally with black support just behind joe biden. >> right. >> joe biden's numbers, though, at least in that one poll dropping precipitously while bloomberg is shooting up.
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>> it shows they've thought they could muscle through this period of time into south carolina and would be saved there. i think that that these is get-of--oge -- thesis is tested. bernie sanders it's as though he's not the front-runner. he clearly is here in new hampshire, depending how the count the numbers. he performed very well in iowa and i mean if you look to california, he's in an extraordinarily strong position there. the idea that whoever is in this second lane isn't going to be fighting it out with bernie sanders all the through the summer is naive. >> look at the numbers again. a pew poll for the 20920 democratic nomination, first time i've seen in a while. bernie sanders if nurse place at 25%, up four. joe biden down 17% down fine points and michael bloomberg 15% up seven. people said he'd never get into double digits. he just did.
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plus seven. >> incredible. >> elizabeth warren, 14% down one and pete buttigieg 10%, up four. and look at black voter support nationwide. joe biden down 22% in a week. >> hmm. >> he's at 27% right now. michael bloomberg up 15% in a week. he's at 22% among black voters. bernie sanders, i -- i think 19% strong. with a field this big, if you're getting one out of five black voters that is not a biden monopoly on black voters. elizabeth warren 8%. pete buttigieg problem still sitting at 4% is getting the support of black voters. mika, obviously, mike bloomberg at 22% among black voters and joe biden, that support falling nationally. if it falls that way in south carolina he's got a real race on his hands there as well.
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>> a big conversations to have about bloomberg, which we can have a little later. as we said just 30 miles away from president trump's rally last night senator bernie sanders was holding his own rally on the eve of new hampshire's primary. sanders kicked off his final event in the granite state in front of more than 7,500 people, packed into an arena at the university of new hampshire in durham. in his remarks, sanders didn't attack any of his democratic opponents. instead, he repeatedly went after president trump. and he was set up by a number of fired up campaign surrogates. >> we are going to remove our fellow citizen, our neofascist gangster from the white house, now in manchester! he's got to go! you've got to go! you've got to go! >> that's the thing about bernie.
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we love him, and we -- and we want to fight for him and we want to fight until he's president. and we want to show up! >> senator bernie sanders has spent his entire life fighting for the right thing when it was unpopular. it is hard to stand up and fight for someone you don't know when it's not the popular thing to do and he has done it his whole damn life! >> this turnout tells me why we're going to win here in new hampshi hampshire. why we're going to win the democratic nomination. and why we are going to defeat the most dangerous president in the modern history of america, donald trump! >> the reason that we are going
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to win is the american people no matter what their political views may be are sick and tired of a president who is a pathological liar -- [ cheers ] -- who is running a corrupt administration -- [ cheers ] -- who is a bully and a vindictive person -- [ cheers ] -- who is a racist, a sexist, xenofoeb, homophobe and a religious bigot. and those are his nice qualities. >> if we are prepared to stand together, last that i heard the 1% may be very powerful, but they're a hell of a lot more people in the 99% than in the
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1%. >> tomorrow is an historically important day. let us go forward, let us have the largest voter turnout in the history of the new hampshire primary. let's win this thing! let's transform america! thank you! [ cheers and applause ] you know, like, the strokes in 2001. playing to last night. bernie's at the top of his game. all it did was take him a heart attack to kick him into that final gear! this guy had a heart attack a couple of months ago. he is on fire, and i've got to say, his larry david imitation, when he goes, li-ar! >> who's imitating who? >> imtighting the larry david imitati imitation. this point 2349 campaign. dead-on. and trump got, like, 12,000 maybe? then i remember, mika, the rally
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we went to, the trump rally we went to in new hampshire the night before. >> uh-huh. >> i remember trump and everybody else, they were all bragging about him getting 4,000 people out. >> right. >> that was astounding. so to put things in proper perspective. if you've got a sitting president of the united states, i would guess if barack obama had spoken when he was president of the united states, kicking off his campaign, he would have gotten over 10,000 people here. >> yes. >> but as far as first, you know, these people running, bernie's 7,500, far more impressive than almost double what trump got here at this same point in this 2016 campaign. >> and the energy is there. the enthusiasm is there and they're all there because they truly, they truly believe in him. they sound just as fervent as trump supporters for trump. >> yeah. the thing aye wii will say, wil. the thing i've learned through the years is that when people
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start calculating -- i'm going to vote for so and so because maybe he'll be able to do this for me or maybe vote for so and so because the candidate i love can't win. i just never have seen that work. that was the thinking, i heard that 1,000 times when bob dole was running. in, you know, 1996. i heard it time and time again even with mitt romney in '12. well, he's the best and i guess he -- >> uh-huh. >> but here, what works are people completely swept off their feet in 2016. like donald trump in the 2016, like barack obama in 2012. bernie sanders is that candidate. mayor pete is not that far behind pup get a lot of the same enthusiasm with pete buttigieg. but right now those are the two candidates with the real enthusiasm. >> no one in the field touches enthusiasm of bernie sanders supporters and it's been there a
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long time, part of the reason for it. he had all of these people out last night, that huge crowd for him at the university of new hampshire, there for him four years ago as well. as john points out, it's not a great surprise. remember, bernie sanders won this primary four years ago. he defeated the eventual democratic president's nominee by 22 points. he does well in this state. he's going to do well tonight. >> and clinton. who had historic ties the state. bill clinton here, clinton had such bonds in new hampshire. the notion anybody would beat a clinton in this state seemed inconceivable. to have that clinton lose biy 2 points, incredible shock. no reason to think bernie sanders shouldn't have been the front-runner from pillar to post, seemed in the fall to are fading and people didn't take him seriously. elizabeth warren on the rides and the heart attack seemed to really turn -- that heart attack followed by alexandria ocasio-cortez reaffirming he was
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champion of the left, the young progressives. a turning point in the campaign. from that moment forward he has been on the march. >> you can't say enough about timing in politics. timing is everything. bernie, there was a time when bernie was, every morning, we were talking. everybody that came on, all of the people, you look at the polls. bernie was an afterthought. he was a 2016 plymouth, in a 2020 world, and nobody -- they wanted the 2020 tesla. they didn't want the 2016 plymouth. of course, was there a plymouth in 2016? but, anyway -- it's like his time had passed. and elizabeth warren was taking his support. she was going straight up. now you look at the timing here. he is hitting stride at the perfect time. >> he is. i'm not sure he ever really lost that core base of support he has had all the way along. and i will also say having walked into dozens, and john and
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i were a lot of these events together in 2016. dozens of rock concert-style events for bernie sanders and then switched to cover hillary clinton, full stop the opposite of that. i mean, you walk into these arenas, that's how they treat him. like a rock star. i will say that his campaign has made some changes to the way they've run things that tell me that they clearly learned from 2016 and some of the mistakes they made. their slogan is sharper. not me. us. does any other candidate have three words that explain to you exactly what their message is. >> that's a great slogan, too. >> yeah. much stronger than they had, copying the obama playbook with the language in 2016. they've changed they're doing smaller events. putting him with voters face-to-face not just in big rock-style venues and focused in on a process really hurt them last time. >> how are the smaller events
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going? >> well -- >> yes, i support what you're saying! how's that working? >> joe. come on. >> you know -- >> i'm having fun. it's a larry david thing. can't look at him without thinking larry david. >> personable, to his credit he's doing it. he doesn't like it, never liked it. >> must be personable to somebody. >> for me, at least, i said this the other day on cnn and fake add smile. somebody said, oh, senator, i love you so much. it was like, aaahhhh actually made me love him more. wait a second. he's just not going to play the game the way the elites want him to play the game and i loved that in him. i love the fact that the guy's real. talk about bernie, but also let's talk quickly. because we haven't talked about the person who seems to have the surge going right now, amy. >> right. first of all, a think you're right.
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bernie sanders is true to himself. not pretending to be anything else. why supporters like him. not going to appease some other group or the media. he's going to be him. in that way, the passion of the supporters saying before is reminiscent of president trump, draws out of his fance. peop fans. people who believe in him will follow him. we went to amy klobuchar's event yesterday. a smaller event. well-received at a national club, willie and i were there and alex. added an event late last night in manchester. five or six yesterday. a moment sheput up a number to propel her further. she's competing with pete buttigieg for the alternative position to bernie sanders, seems like even siphoning some support from elizabeth warren. senator warren has a good ground game here in new hampshire.
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a chance she will exceed expectations and it's that third place finish so key tonight. if we believe bernie will win by a decent spread, buttigieg second, it's who's going to be third? biden, klobuchar, warren. that's really important. >> just getting started. a lot to talk about. a live look at a polling station in nashua where voters just started casting ballots. and saw buttigieg greeting voters just moments ago. he'll be our guest along with former vice president joe biden. and how the democratic contenders macontender s match up with president trump. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. (howling wind)
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trump is rapidly, rapidly,
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rapidly squandering the opportunity he had that was given to him by our administration. thanks to the reckless and irresponsible policies -- and while telling the american people that electing a democrat will be economic disaster is like so much else that this president has said. with a straight up-straight lie. [ applause ] >> that new quinnipiac poll shows top contenders in the presidential democratic field leading president trump in head-to-head matchups. former mayor michael bloomberg with a nine-point lead has the biggest advantage over the president. 51% to 42%. >> what's the nickname for bloomberg. mini mike. >> mini mike has a major lead. >> mini mike is only mini unless he's standing on top of his wallet. then he's taller than president trump. [ applause ] senator bernie sanders is up eight points against trump. 51% to 43%.
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former vice president joe biden leads trump 50% to 43%. senator amy klobuchar six-point lead, and both senator elizabeth warren and former mayor pete buttigieg each hold a 4-point lead over the president respectively. >> again, a lot of data coming in, willie, about michael bloomberg, and it is all positive. of course, he hasn't gotten out early to campaign but on the power of his commercials, the power of his online ads, he's shaking this race up, and, again, just trouncing donald trump. lawrence last night, i think was it lawrence, alex? yeah. lawrence last night showed head to head matchups about this time four years ago between hillary clinton and donald trump. hillary up by four points. she ended up winning by three points. >> right. >> easy to dismiss a lot of these things but, again, you're hearing, oh, gallup, 49%. oh, things went so well for
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donald trump in impeachment -- no. they just didn't. he is a 43% guy, anytime anything goes well for donald trump, you can be assured he will stepped on land mines he threw in front of him while walking and blow himself up politically, and he's done it again. >> well, he got an impeachment acquittal and the next morning at the prayer breakfast began doing exactly what you're talking about. >> mocking jesus' words. >> yes. >> at the prayer breakfast. usually not a good political -- >> people who pray for their enemies and everything else in the bible. but michael bloomberg is doing this without actually having met any of the voters. makes it for extraordinary. doing it on strength of advertising when most candidates haven't even played yet, don't have the money to get that far, but bloomberg is, places like michigan. super tuesday states where he's doing really well and while we've all talked about iowa and new hampshire he has not so quietly been out in the rest of the country building support
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that turns up in the polls. you pointed to i think the real eye-popper in that quinnipiac poll, the african-american vote. hearing firewall, south carolina, the african-american voters of south carolina and across the south will save joe biden. >> michael bloomberg has cut joe biden's support by 22% in the last couple of weeks among african-american voters. so the ads michael bloomberg is using before he even appears before the voters are working. >> well, in particular the ad everybody in this room has seen and here has seen now 500 times in the week you've been here, an ad that appears to have barack obama endorsing michael bloomberg. barack obama's on screen the entire ad talking how great mike bloomberg is. that ad is playing all over the country in quantities that dwarf any democratic ad and for african-american voters i said a million times on the show, the
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most pragmatic and sophisticated in the democratic party. looking at this race with a cold eye of calculation. they are not a fixed quantity for joe biden or anybody else. they are watching the race unfold, the ads unfold and focused on what thing. who can beat donald trump? the calculation changes every day. the notion of a firewall in general is almost always ridiculous. the notion african-americans will be a firewall because they're static in some way for any candidate is absurd and mike bloomberg has problems for that with americans. he has problems on stop and frisk. tlnd opo things he said problematic when it starts to get more air time but the reality is, this poll tells you there's -- you are going to need to get a big chunk of black vote to be the democratic nominee and mike bloomberg will be in that conversation in a way that should make every oh candidate in the race have concerns and understand to get to where they
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need to get to do be the nominee have to go through the guy with $60 billion willing to spend almost every dime of it to win this nomination. >> one problem here, the guy with $60 billion, made his way to this point with no one ever actually really seeing him, hearing him. >> outside of new york city. >> getting to know him. talking with rager campbell, director of operations for "morning joe" about this and her biggest concern was, who is he? what is it when people see him? you wrote a column, joe, months ago, when the campaign started about when the lights go on, that moment for candidates, when they get out there is so, like, completely gutting and completely unexpected in terms of how people will respond to you. nobody has really had a chance to hear from him and his campaign all this money has bought great strategists, great ad makers, great people and guess what they've done? they've hidden him. okay? where's mike bloomberg? >> hold on. >> how do we get to know him and see how he does when the lights
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go on? >> hold on. >> in a debate next week. >> can't wait. >> it's not like he's tom steyer. michael bloomberg was mayor of the biggest, baddest, meanest city in america for 12 years with hateful tabloids going after him all the time. >> i'm hopeful. >> and you especially, you especially. so this idea that mike bloomberg is being cloistered because he doesn't know how to handle the bad press? no. just saying. it's out there. people saying, oh, he's being hidden. the guy -- listen, lemire, i can tell you about this. it's like playing baseball for the boston red sox, where every, like, if you go tos grocery store, or you go to dunkin' donuts and order the wrong cup of coffee it's on the front page
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of the paper even if they won the super bowl the day before. it's suffocating to be a red sox in boston. it's suffocating to be mayor in new york city and you better have what it takes to do it and he's done it for 12 years. >> right. certainly does not have strong retail political skills. that's fair. i think there's a deliberate strategy here. he's done some, not interactions with voters, mostly speeches and of course endless advertising and it's going to change, to john's point next week. he'll be on the debate stage and more scrutiny. perhaps the field narrows after new hampshire, end of south carolina and by the time the focus is super tuesday he'll get the scrutiny and probably the air time we think of all the other candidates. doing it more. to your point, a very effective mayor 12 years despite putting up with reporters like myself where everything he did do,
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which tropical island was he vacationing on? everything about his life was under the magnifying glass. he's done it before, he's equipped to do it. to this point, yes,ality health is sheltered but yes, it's about to change. >> do you see anybody getting out the race soon? >> this is the race to beat bernie sanders. that's the race that shaped up. bernie sanders on one side with a base not moving. trying to collect some extra voters. and then bloomberg waiting in the wings to try and take on any one of these amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg, joe biden, if they fall apart in the first four states. it's a recipe for the democratic party to tear itself apart. if mike bloomberg thinks he's going to run, spend all his money to take down bernie sanders in a convention, there's going to be blood on the streets in milwaukee. everything mike bloomberg stands for may appeal to the middle, my question, does that giant middle actually decide they're not
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exhausted by all of our politics and show up? maybe. maybe under that scenario you get mike bloomberg but bernie sanders is not going to take this lying down. that looming clash is, it's waiting for us. >> all right. blood in the streets of milwaukee. >> okay. >> count me in. i'm bringing a trident. >> coming up -- a veteran of the clinton and obama white house is standing by, jen palmieri joins the conversation next on "morning joe" from new hampshire. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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all right. a live look outside of a polling station in manchester, new hampshire. you see the pete buttigieg supporters there. mayor pete is there now and will be on the show this morning.
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from three new hampshire towns getting results now. the tiny community of dixville notch, continued its decades-old tradition of casting the state's first ballots. mike bloomberg, who is not on the new hampshire ballot receive add total of three write-in votes. two in the democratic primary and one -- the one and only vote in the republican primary. pete buttigieg and bernie sanders each got a single vote in dixville notch. >> and so let's look at this graphic here. bloomberg -- >> this is the state of the democratic party right now. >> i love this so much. bloomberg won the republican primary and the democrat primary. [ applause ] >> meanwhile, amy klobuchar was the favorite among democrats in harts location, receiving six votes. elizabeth warren four, and
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andrew yang three and bernie sanders two. klobuchar also took the top spot in millsfield. and joe biden, bernie sanders and buttigieg split the other three. our audience is losing it. joining us now political reporter for the "boston globe" james pindell, former staff of strategic communications for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign and a "morning joe" contributor adrienne elrod and former communications director to president obama and for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign jen palmieri. great to have you all onboard. >> so -- i love the -- i love the returns from dixville notch, by the way, every four years. so what have you seen out there? what -- what do you find the most compelling part of this primary? >> look, obviously dixville
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confirms everything we know about the new hampshire primary. you must show up. money doesn't buy you everything -- unless you're mike bloomberg. sort of a perfect ending. overall, look, this is the most magical eight days in american politics, between iowa and new hampshire. it began with a lot of confusion. and no one really dropping out. one thing that's going to be fascinating to people after tonight will iowa and new hampshire play the role winning down the field since no one's really going to be getting out. >> okay. john heilemann, take it to jen. >> what do you think, guys? >> what the heck is going on? >> looking over here, memories of four years ago. you two in a different place. >> is it ptsd? >> i think it's ptsd. this room is rough for me. in particular. the first time i walked in i really -- like my brain -- i was like hyperventilating. >> explain why this room is rough for you. >> four years ago the worst
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eight days of the clinton campaign, we were in a free-fall here in new hampshire and just really not, not a lot you can do to stop it when you're on that downwarddays. got to be near all of you. all of the press were with us, fighting stories about staff shake-ups and will you be fired the next day? pretty rough. we got our butts kicked here. lost by 22 points. when you saw, hear from a lot of people saying, why can't you beat bernie sanders? because senator sanders is for real. >> right. >> four years later we see. like a solid quarter of the democratic party that is really behind him and really speaks, they speak -- he speaks to them in a way other candidates don't. then i'm very concerned about the collision course you may be on with bloomberg out there. we're all participanting in the quaint new hampshire primary and honoring traditions and he's out there with a lot of money and moving up in the polls, and i can't match.
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trying to imagine how we reconcile the path we may be on. maybe somebody like amy klobuchar, awesome last night, i went to a couple of her events. maybe she can do well here and carry on, but i worry about the coming -- >> what exactly is happening? given the ptsd you both are dealing with this morning. >> we do have a lot of it. >> those raw feelings are also indicative at what do you see happening with these campaigns right now? >> especially, joe biden is in the same place now. >> to be more specific. >> than you all are four years ago where a bad showing in iowa and he's desperately trying to hang on to what he's got. >> and nevada was a state we weren't quite sure how we were going to perform. i remember being in nevada ten days later after new hampshire and literally learning we had won nevada by watching television and being so excited because it's such a hard state to organize and oftentimes overlooked because of the focus on new hampshire and then going to south carolina. we won nevada and went on to win
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resoundingly in south carolina and maybe joe biden can do that, but to the point we talk and yesterday i think that third place finish here in new hampshire is so critically important, because there's got to be an alternative. if we go into soup tuesday or come out of super tuesday with a bernie v. bloomberg ticket, there's got to be somebody else to straddle that alternative for voters who don't want to support either one. >> and you've seen how a candidate plays and know a candidate so well and see much you love the candidate and it doesn't reflect, you see when the lights go on. what are your concerns, thoughts or prognostications about mike bloomberg given that he hasn't been put out there? it's his ideas, his values. by the way, i think he'd be great, but could it change? dramatically when he emerges? >> right. no way of knowing if people will actually turn out to vote for him. they're seeing ads. he's rising in polls because of that, but will people actually turn out to vote for him?
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how will he do on the debate stage? interacting with voters? he's probably not the greatest retail politician and will this be the year that doesn't matter? i think it will still matter when you go to the individual states. they want you to show up and do well, but super tuesday is a very -- very different. >> and want a flash. something mike bloomberg is not always -- we don't know. >> untested. >> the thing is, james, that the retail politicking that takes place in iowa. >> that's right. >> and new hampshire. >> that's right. >> after that -- >> 14 states before super tuesday. >> yes. you don't have time to do anything but run ads and do airport hangar events after that, so he is skipping the part of the process that he may be weakest at, and diving in when you just start throwing ads up and doing big rallies. >> i spent time with him on the
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trail. a parallel universe story, while everyone's in iowa he's doing this here, here, here and here, and it's a question about his planning and advanced planning and ads versus mow mea momentum the early states. >> could be brilliant to come out swinging, not shake hands just go up against trump and just every day that's the focus and to show he can beat him? >> i think that's what's happening now. it's part of what democratic voters including all of these african-american voters are liking and seeing in the ads. bloomberg is mostly taking on donald trump in the ads and look and now hodge he's worth and think that's a guy who can maybe out-spend donald trump in the faum campaign. part of the interest in him. for you guys, i think, you guys having worked with hillary clinton hand seen the way these things unfold. how candidates get better. the debate thing seems to be a huge deal. look, mike bloomberg dealt with media scrutiny in new york for sure. also ran three times against a
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bunch of tin cans, and he's now going to step on the debate stage. >> next week. >> next week. having not done a debate out of active politics since 2013, off for seven years. going to stand up on a debate stage against a bunch of people debating once a month since last june, all gotten pretty good. watched in the new hampshire debate, bernie sanders, they have skill now. they got game. mike bloomberg's getting out there and what's going to happen. you know how long it takes to get your candidate to the point they can compete on a debate steege in front of millions of people, if i'm mike bloomberg's people, that's what i'm nervous about. not the retail. right, joe. not much retails going forward. he gets up, vetting the record and getting onstage with a bunch of people throwing and taking punches the last seven months they won't let mike bloomberg go uninterrogated because there are a lot of democrats, you're trying to buy the election and up there hitting him. what's going to happen? >> what we may find out? that the other people on the
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debate steege, debating every month are just not that good at it. >> or that mike bloomberg is out of practice and might take it on the chin. >> out of practice? >> a big test. >> i just don't think, we know the guy. seen him a lot. i don't think he's great at this and that might not matter but i think the, i think the folks are pretty world class on the debate stage now. it's a really hard thing to do. take as ton of confidence, takes poise. your mind's got to be operating at a lot of levels. not something you can just walk in and he hasn't been an elected official for a really long time and a powerful man with a lot of people saying "yes" to him and not criticize him. it's going to be a thing. >> adrienne, i do wonder if the debate prep is more gentle towards mike bloomberg, because everybody, everybody i ever talk to that has worked with mike bloomberg say it's mike bloomberg's world and
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everybody's just visiting. so is somebody going to have the guts to say to him in the debate prep setting, mr. mayor, that was a horrible answer? like, this is what you need to do instead. >> i should hope so, but to the point. >> i doubt it. >> the whole yes, sir, yes, boss mentality, i'm not quite sure. look, he's had people with him a long time. kevin sheekey, howard wolfson. >> he's tough. >> some of the best strategists in the party. i would think there would be a little pushback. this is the ultimate test for mike bloomberg. to the point john was just making such a target on that debate stage by every other candidate and these democrats candidates are ready for him to be on that stage. i think they sort of feel he's gotten too an extent a little free pass because some of the debates have been challenging and some people have fallen back in the polls because of their debate performances and are ready to see him on the debate stage and a fair playing field between all the candidates. >> to your point, jen, could be
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quite a cluster of activity that could end badly. james and adrienne, jen, thank you all. >> and james done this, predictions for tonight? >> i'm watching forred they place and watching for amy klobuchar. >> okay. >> big news. >> really big news. >> first, and third what happens with biden? >> and but also elizabeth warren. if she doesn't finish in the top three. >> i know. in a state she shares the media market. historically elects women, a state has an amazing ground game, what's the path going forward particularly when democrats are looking number one at electability? >> tough for her. >> over to willie geist at the other side of the restaurant for what's coming up? willie? >> out in the crowd talking to the people who actually decide what happens tonight. phil from west boston, new hampshire. phil, who you going for tonight? >> liz warren. >> and why? >> she's great. going to go beyond three to number one. >> number one. wow. how about elizabeth warren voters in here? yeah? how about you, ma'am. who are you looking at? >> mayor pete.
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>> mayor pete. okay. is this a mayor pete table. >> elizabeth. >> mayor pete. >> a lot of mayor pete. a lot of elizabeth. the guy on the ballot polling first in this state, mike barnicle is about to join us. also coming up next, vice president of the united states, joe biden right here in this restaurant. when we come back on "morning joe." ♪
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we hear that there could be, because you have crossovers in primaries. don't you? i hear a lot of republicans tomorrow will vote for the weakest candidate possible of the democrats. does that make sense? you people wouldn't do that. my only problem is, i'm trying to figure out who is their weakest candidate? i their they're all weak. but if you want to vote for a
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weak candidate tomorrow, go ahead. pick one. pick the weakest one you think. i don't know who it is. it is the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." it's tuesday, february 11th. still with joe, willie and me we have msnbc national affairs analyst co-host of showtime's "the circus" and editor-in-chief of "the recount" john heilemann. joining the conversation, msnbc contributor mike barnicle and politics editor for the daily beast, sam stein. great to have you with us. >> what's different since 1972? been to every new hampshire primary. other than your hair, been at every new hampshire democratic and republican primary since 2020. talk about this year. since 1972, how's 2020 different? >> women, in the sense 2020 is the same as all the other primaries in that it's always a little surprise packaged in the primary results.
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and i'm wondering if elizabeth warren's ground game might be the surprise this year. >> you saw her last night. >> saw her last night over in portsmouth, willie and i went over. places to watch that sort of tell you, guide you, what might happen. ward 4 here in manchester a sprawling ward all kinds of different democrat graphics. i was up a couple weeks ago to the city of claremont. you'll find out about joe biden's strength as a crossover candidate between getting back trump voters and a town like that, old battered mill town. there's a certain specific set of things that always occur in new hampshire. one of the things that is guaranteed, though, is there's always some element of surprise and we'll find that out tonight in the battle for number three and number four. >> sam stein, what's the surprise this year? >> funny you mention the ground game. interesting to me, too. talking about whether these
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plateaued here, but when you are at a campaign event for her it's a remarkable thing in terms of the sheer politics of it. organizers, canvassers, packets of detailed voter information. apps constantly on people's phones. saw one guy at an event wasn't just handed out leaflets to leave on the door but personally signing them. from maryland. personally signing them and detailing them because he wanted to have that nice touch. it's possible that type of ground game actually helps her beat expectations. the other thing i am looking for i think the big story obviously is what happens with joe biden? you cannot imagine a more difficult week of press for a candidate. i happen to wonder, maybe this is crazy, if there is a segment of the voting population here who actually has empathy and sympathy for the way he's been threatted publicly and comes back to him. i don't want to write his political obituary. this is clinton 2008 all over again. >> to sam's point, and your question, joe, the biggest difference between 2020 and past
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primaries even four years ago is the explosion of media in this primary. and voters, average new hampshire voters, i don't think get the time to think about what they're going to do. they certainly do on their own but they're always badgered by multiple numbers of media members each and every day. >> interesting how you had an insight how reporters used to do things. >> yeah. >> pre-internet. >> yeah. >> that go up, and they would say, hi, i'm mike barnicle with the "boston globe" mind if i ask you a few questions? what do they do now? >> now it's, they come in packs, and god love them. they're doing a great job, and they work very hard, but they approach a voter and the first thing they say, excuse me. do you live in new hampshire? and person says, either yes or no, and if you live in new hampshire the next question is, you know, what do you city inth
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going to happen tuesday? who you going to vote for? you used to have conversations with voters, but those are fewer and far between. >> sam says it's just millennial whose have a hard time having a conversation. >> first of all, how dare you. i have conversations with everyone i talk to. very deep, personal conversations. >> how dare you! >> looking right at you with that. >> the other phenomena, so many reporters here we're basically quoting the same people at this juncture. >> yeah. >> it creates an echo effect. i will say, the other thing is, sometimes crowds can be, crowd sizes can be deceives. >> yeah. >> if you actually survey the people who are there, no offense to those in attendance, tons of people from massachusetts, connecticut, new york and so on and so forth who are here for the political tourism. so sometimes crowds can be deceiving. i wouldn't go on that. sometimes people who are going to these events as i found out are truly, truly undecided. these people, you guys can make unyo up your minds. procrastinators in the worst
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sense of the word. i talked to one guy literally jogged into two presidential candidates. met two presidential candidates, on the run, and he's like i don't really flow. i met two and still deciding between the two of them. and so there's an incredible amount of unpredictability going into today. >> the problem with that, we all here in manchester, all could not avoid seeing the lines, like 6, 12 hours before trump's rally of people waiting in the rain and the snow, freezing cold, for hours and hours. you know what? when you go to a bernie rally or these rallies around here you still don't know who people are voting for on the democratic side. some of them are young people. you don't know if they're vote at all. you can be sure of the 12,000 people who showed up yesterday, probably every single one of them will show up in the polls and vote for president trump. >> willie standing in the rain, the cold rain. >> they will do that. >> two giant events, biggest of them all was president trump's
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across the street from here. a huge crowd there as you said lined up in the rain. the other was bernie sanders. those voters i would submit have made up their minds.spo support made up their mind four years ago. one other detail about elizabeth warren. color, anecdotal, take it for what it's worth. it was an optimistic, positive, uplifting room. not american carnage. this is elizabeth warren bounding on to the stage and cheering the crowd and basically saying we need to get these ideas forward. if it's not me it's not me. doesn't say it that way, but said i would vote for any of these people ahead of donald trump. and so i think as we look at who may finish second, third, fourth, i wouldn't take your eye off elizabeth warren. full house in a church last night with very positive energy, separate line from bailey, the
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dog. >> ah! >> the last tracking poll, take a look at that, for new hampshire obviously before voters go there and bernie sanders, of course, out in front. shows that he remains in the lead today in new hampshire. with joe biden second and elizabeth warren battling for third place. are we going to show the polls or am i going to be -- >> doing a great job. >> thank you. so there's bernie at 29%. mayor pete at 22%. >> the cnn university -- >> yeah. cnn. joe biden 11%. elizabeth warren, 10%. and amy klobuchar at 7%. there was a poll yesterday showing her in third place, but it is critical. i think we are all looking, that third place finish is almost more important. >> yeah. >> than the first place finish. because we know it's going to be bernie or mayor pete and it's iowa -- meanwhile, 7a% of sanders and 68% biden supporters definitely decided on their
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candidate. senator bernie sanders tops joe biden among democrat it's nationally. latest q poll, 25% support and up four points since last month. and eight points ahead of joe biden nationally, the formatteder vice president now sits at 17% down nine points. there we go. now, here's our head-to-head matchup. michael bloomberg at 51%. mini mike, as president trump calls him. mini mike has a major lead over donald trump nine points. 51% to 42%. bernie sanders 51%. trump 43%. joe biden easily beating trump as well. 50% to 43%. amy beating donald trump as well 49% to 43%. it's a little closer with elizabeth warren. 48% to 43%. mayor pete only beats donald trump by 4 percentage points. 47% to 43%. very interesting. very interesting, again, after impeachment, every everything
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else, republicans continue running around saying look at the gallup poll. saying that the last three months of the 2013 race with mitt romney up 11 points over barack obama. >> a couple things stand out. if those numbers are where, are true, if i'm the white house, it's a little nerve-racking. this has been probably one of the best two-week stretches of trump's presidency. acquittal in the senate, really good economic news. some polls on his approval rating show uptick. still until low 40s, that's a real problem. doesn't get much better for him than this. that said, look at that data. one of the reasons i, listen, talking with voters, i find out elizabeth warren struggled a little bit, is there is a perception and more among women voters than men voters, that she would have a tougher time than the other candidates against donald trump. and the reason is that they believe, at least when telling me, that there's a potent latent mat such any still in the
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electorate that hasn't reared its head. almost ptsd what happened with hillary clinton. at least they feel it. that's holding her back, this weird voter perception she doesn't match up as well as trump as the other candidates reflected in polls ever so slightly. >> and just input there. i found this when i was running. young voters always toughest on me. iwon landslides, because all the old voters voted for me. >> and agree with all the old people. >> and also i found, really the only competitive race i ever ran against, that was ever close was against a woman. and i was always taken by the fact that women voters were so much tougher on my opponent. like, women are tougher on women a lot of times when they're making these decisions, just like with me. young voters would look at me and go, you're my age. you're 29. there's no way you could ever do congress. older voters, you know what?
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we need somebody young with a lot of energy. what sam says is making a lot of sense. a lot of times women are toughest on women. >> no doubt about that. but there's a, i would suggest, an added component that makes it even more interesting. this decision about, you know, gender discrimination with either elizabeth or amy or any woman on the ballot, and it is the fact that, if you talk to people, men and women up here, or i think in any state and get them going about the conversation about who's going to be the next president, we live in an extremely visual culture. people walk around with their phones in their hands, men and women, they devour the clips we show on programs like this and in the back of their minds, the guy that we led with coming in here across the street last night, the president of the united states, part of the component parts of making up the decision on voting is, who's going to be able to stand on the stage with this guy?
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visually they think about that. when they make up their minds. it's really interesting where they come out. >> it's all performative this week. >> yes! >> and when you go to a biden rally event and talk to his people there, basically to a person, what they are yearning for is a sign of life. >> yes. >> an ainbility to throw a punc back. talked to a woman essentially said this man donald trump has attacked his son for months. why isn't joe biden getting more vis rheal v viscerally upset? >> why leaving it to pete buttigieg? >> they want to see him hustle, work the streets, walk, knock on doors but really want to see him get mad at donald trump for the way he's tristed hunter biden and he hasn't done it looking at live pictures of polling places. mayor pete buttigieg getting in a car we're happy to say to come here. on our show in a few minutes.
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interesting, you and i talked about this a lot. this bernie sanders, elizabeth warren question. they both have proposed medicare for all. both want to take away private health insurance. why is it that bernie sanders is succeeding and the conventional wisdom, moment she came out with her plan she fem. the same idea. what's different about it? what sam is talking about. it's a shame if people believe. this ultimate idea of electability is unknowable until you get to that election. >> why we're saying that about mike bloomberg. >> and head-to-head, elizabeth warren does as well as anybody in these head-to-head polls. >> here in '08 having the same discussion about barack obama and electability. pushed by hillary people, this guy is not electable. we're never going to elect a black man in barack obama to the presidency. >> even talked yesterday about the fact you never know who's going to do well in general elections. donald trump was supposed to be the death of the republican party.
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ronald reagan's victory in the primaries celebrated not only in '66 in california by pat brown's team but in '80 by jimmy carter's team. i remember going before the debate, in 1980, everybody was talking about how reagan was this bumbling b. list actor. probably going to get mopped up by jimmy carter and my god. he completely, one of the most dominating debate performances we've ever seen. >> you earlier made a point about lawrence putting up head-to-head numbers from four years ago. the string that struck me not just hillary clinton was ahead by three from whatever time frame the number was put up, also had the bernie number up. bernie in head-to-heads at that time performed better than president trump. bernie up summer june of 2016, bernie up over trump by eight points. i think we've talk and this before, too. people write off bernie sanders. go back to 2016, and ask in the end, would bernie sanders, a movement candidate who was
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totally not the status quo candidate, anti-establishment, energy, enthusiasm among young voters and more support with working class voters than hillary clinton, would bernie sanders have ban better election campaign against trump? maybe. go forward to 2020 never know. you can make a case, sanders campaign does, he was more electable four years ago than hillary clinton. and come to 2020. ask the question. who's won in recent elections? the movement candidates. barack obama was a movement candidate. donald trump was a movement candidate. who has a movement right no. >> that would be her. >> than all the people out here? not mike bloomberg and not elizabeth warren, all respect, and not amy klobuchar. only movement on the democratics side feels genuine energy and people willing to walk across broken glass is bernie sanders. might be the ticket. >> the question is this, though. again, i don't have the answer, but when you start talking about bernie, for every working-class
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vote that he takes away from donald trump in michigan, does he lose somebody in the suburbs in tampa? >> right. worried about socialism. >> who's worried about -- listen, be really honest. they will not vote for socialists in the suburbs. they're not going to vote for socialists in suburbs. all the gains democrats have made in the suburbs since donald trump became president, you have to understand that for all the working class votes you get there, in the upper industrial states, upper midwest, you're going to lose a lot of those votes, a lot of those recent converts to donald trump. >> yeah. well, you know what trump is going to do with the word socialism. everyone knows that. if bernie were the nominee. >> and into the suburbs, not have to do that much because they're not going to vote for him. >> right now the problem, biggest problem for democrats is they have a circular firing squad. they are killing each other. this is going to be a long, drawn out process. that you would have to bet it's going to be a long, drawn out
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process at the convention, but the bottom line for this thing is, you know, people saying, oh, bernie can't win. elizabeth could never win. could never beat trump. amy couldn't beat trump and all of that. all i submit is everybody said the same thing about a fellow we have become all too familiar with unfortunately, his name is donald trump. four years ago. who would ever have bet he would be president of the united states? >> just a quick -- >> got to wrap now. joe biden's waiting. thank you, sam. >> thank you, sam stein. >> we love you, sam. >> cutting you off. >> exit stage left. and former vice president joe biden is here with us. he joins the conversation next on "morning joe." we'll be right back. turn on my tv and boom, it's got all my favorite shows right there. i wish my trading platform worked like that. well have you tried thinkorswim? this is totally customizable, so you focus only on what you want.
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welcome back to "morning joe." 21 past the hour and i am sitting in between my two favorite joes. joining us now, democratic presidential candidate former vice president joe biden. it is so great to see you. >> great to be here. >> how's it going? how's it feeling? how we getting through this? >> get through this by winning, but, look -- i think as i said in the beginning. this is first of the four rounds and two caucuses, two primaries and we got to see where it goes from here. as i said, i didn't mince any words. i think i'm an underdog here and bernie won this, 20 points last time. he's got a next door neighbor advantage and a real enthusiasm going here but i still feel good. this is, you know, it's a long haul. >> so as we leave here and you go to new hampshire and south carolina, what's will you be focusing on? >> focusing on how to win, and you know -- any democratic
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candidate who's beaten an incumbent is someone so far able to get significant support from the african-american and minority communities as well as keep working class white folks. and, look, if you can't win in pennsylvania, if you can't win senate seats in north carolina and georgia, it's going to be awful hard to win the presidency. it's not just about winning the presidency. you have to pin the presidency and you have to help down ballot folks win both the senate seats, keep the house and so a lot of these frontline candidates that i've campaigned for have endorsed me and i feel good about it. >> you came on our show in philadelphia in the 20 16 convention, and you warned us then that donald trump was going to do better among working-class voters in pennsylvania, than any of us realized. you, of course, were more right than anybody could have known. four years later, i'm in the
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lobby here, and some people that are going to the trump rally that night come in. working-class guys. we had a great conversation. talking about the red sox, but they're working-class voters and as they left i thought to myself, you know, ten years ago, they would have been voting democratic, without a second thought. what happened to the democratic party? how did they lose so many working-class voters? >> i think we took them for granted and done talk to them, didn't spend a lot of time going where they live. didn't spend the time going into the factories, didn't spend the time going to the places where these folks work, and, look, there's an old expression. you know, half win is showing up. one of the reasons i think i can do very well in places like pennsylvania and, you know, michigan and other places. i just think, look, half of this is explaining to the folks out there why you're in this race.
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and the second reason i said i wanted to restore the soul, decency to the presidency. beyond that you've got to rebuild the backbone of this country. middle class and all the stuff about a great economy. a great economy, unless let's you go home, man. go home and go to the people you grew up with, they're hurting badly. there's nothing going on for them. bottom's falling out of the middle class. working-class folks have no way up at this point. so i think we have to talk to their needs, and the needs are they're looking for not a handout. just an opportunity. a shot. and we don't talk to them enough about that in my view. >> mr. vice president, last night we saw for miles lines of people going to the trump rally. these are people -- a. great concert. >> these are people that stood in the snow and the rain. >> yep. >> and will clearly show up at the polls. >> yeah. >> and yet democrats seem so confused and we've got this sort of cluster, don't know what's going to happen with maybe bloomberg stepping in. how do you talk to voters and explain what is happening and
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what could you say to those trump supporters who are clearly fervently behind him, believe in him and are standing in those lines today? >> look, some of those folks are standing in those lines today you're not going to convince because they're standing in that line with other reasons to support him. all the trump supporters you want your kid to grow up like trump? you think what's being promulgated by this president, how he talks about people, how he treats people, how he humiliates people, makes fun of them. do you think that's relevant? and i think they do, but i think -- look, everyone knows who trump is. we got to let him know who we are and i think we're the antithesis of who trump is. we think science matters. you know, science over fiction. we think truth over lies. we think it matters you actually -- look, i think character's on the ballot. i genuinely mean that. the character of the country is
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on the ballot and they know something is wrong internationally. it's not like foreign policies are a top concern of theirs but they know in the world we're a much more insecure than we ever have been, and two things are going to happen with the next president. he or she inherits a country divided especially after impeachment. gotten ap free ride and a world in disarray. people intuitively know that and why i keep talking to the things that have to be done. you have to have somebody with an idea and demonstrated they know how to turn the idea into reality. be able to actually get something done, something passed. last thing i'm say. excuse me for coughing. you think about it. the next president's going to have to command the world stage on day one. they're going to have to be able to look out and the rest of the world know who he or she is and know that they know who they are. that person knows who they are, and because there's so much at stake. we got a president who refers to
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the generals as losers, and admirals as losers. looks them in the eye and says that. i don't think that the vast majority of the american people even old trump supporters. by the way talking about what? 175,000 people that if they exchanged in three states would be a different outcome? so i still think this is way, up for grabs. hard to beat. but most important thing you have to do, people are looking for authenticity. don't go in and tell them somebody you can't get done. get you a $33 trillion health care plan and it's going to all work out, because people know that, look, they're really hurting and just looking for reassurance that you're going to pay attention to, not looking for a handout, but pay attention to their concerns. >> right. mike? >> you know. >> excuse me, mike. >> if you look at your life as a 15-round title bout, you've been knocked down several times.
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you always get back up. so at this stage of this election process, with a couple of tough finishes for you, maybe, iowa. maybe new hampshire. why are you still the guy, the best guy to be in the ring with donald trump? >> because, look, i think donald trump's demonstrated it. the last guy he wants to run against is me. think about it. >> he's kind of obsessed on you. >> mildly. i've become the object of his great affection, you know? and, you know, look. the idea that donald trump is going to be able to walk into a re-election bid without being challenged on the basic, basic assumptions that he's operating on i think is a big mistake, and, look. i have always done extremely well in places like pennsylvania, and i've done extremely well in the south as well. i mean, you know, i do well and
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i poll well in states where we have to, mike, win the senate seats. it's not justify just to beat trudge. we have to win the senate, keep the house. i went into 24 states. went into 24 states with over 65 candidates, and they're all purple states and they're all red states, and they asked me to come in. front-line states. most have come back in and endorsed me. they're concerned if anyone else is on top of the ticket there now they may not win re-election. this is more than just the presidency, seems to me. >> mr. vice president you said you're an underdog but wait until the southern states, more diverse and reflective where the country is. you have had very strong african-american support in south carolina. there was a new poll out yesterday, a national poll that showed mayor bloomberg cutting into your support among african-american voters. i don't have to tell you that
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support for you is not static. right? people are watching what happened in iowa, what happens in new hampshire and want to back a winner, back somebody they think can beat donald trump. so what is your message to those voters in south carolina after they watch iowa and they watch new hampshire? why should they still be with you? >> they know me. they know my heart, they know my head and always stood up for them, the courage xzibit exhibi defense of their concerns. it's amazing what $500 million can do in terms of being on the air. just between the two billionaires they's spent $$500 million so far. it's going to be tough. i'm not suggesting there's anything easy about this. i think end of the day if they look -- not look at my record. they know who i am, where i come from, what i care about, and i think we're going to do fine. i think we're going to do well. >> is mike bloomberg trying to buy the presidency? >> let me tell you it this way. i guess when you have over $60 billion, think you can do about
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anything. i'm looking forward to debating mike bloomberg about his support for african-americans. debating mike bloomberg about his tenure at mayor. looking forward to debating him, because i sure can't compete with him in terms of his money. >> and what about bernie sanders? you were talking about the importance of winning senate seats. got to say, as intense as democrats are about beating donald trump, getting mitch mcconnell out of the position as majority leader of the senate, not that far behind. >> no. i don't think it's far behind at all. >> so would a bernie sanders at the top of the ticket -- [ applause ] -- make it more likely that democrats would lose important swing states and mitch mcconnell to become majority leader again? >> look, by god -- right on the alabama border and from that area, you know, as southern alabama. >> right. well we call it la.
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lower alabama. >> right. and look, i just don't see -- bernie's a decent guy. bernie is labeled himself a democratic socialist. >> right. >> now, i don't know anywhere in the south or in those states we have to win going into, to win back those senate seats where that's going to be a helpful label to carry into an election. >> right. >> uh-huh. >> and again it's not one i pinned on him. bernie talks about me having baggies. talking a baggies, man. going into all of these states as a democratic socialist, how does someone running, i've run under popular and unpopular nominees, how does somebody run and not have that label attached to them? and so, look, it's a -- we're going to see, though. this is a marathon, man. i don't think anybody's predicted much of anything about who's going to win nominations in recent past. >> done that before. >> james carville and other
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democrats recently put a finer point saying we cannot nominate bernie sanders or we'll lose. people won't vote for socialism he says. do you agree if bernie sanders is the nominee democrats will lose? >> i refuse to suggest any democrat can lose. i think we could run mickey mouse against this president and have a shot. >> wow. [ applause ] >> so i was -- they liked that. i was in my hotel room trying to watch, watching the news, flipping channels and i hit fox and a reporter said new information about hunter biden and joe biden. i said, oh, my gosh, what is it? the information was rudy continues to investigate you. are you scared? >> rudy scares the hell out of me, man. tell you what. >> what the heck is going on? >> what the heck is going on? you got a guy who is ethically challenged. who is giving justice department, supposed to be, you know, independent, information about me.
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look, every single solitary person who testified under oath in this administration, high-ranking officials said biden is as clean as a whistle. not a single thing that biden did that was wrong. i did my job. i carried out american foreign policy. i carried out the policy of all of our allies, and i think, going to say it, i did a hell of a job doing it. [ applause ] and -- and the only thing they raise is, that, well, the appearance. no one said my son did anything wrong. they said the appearance of my son being on that board. he did a long interview and a long, long magazine piece on it. said, yeah, a mistake. thought about it more wouldn't have done it because, in fact, he didn't count on the rudy giulianis and, you know, the way this some of the thugs in this administration operate. it's what it is, but no one's
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asserted he's done anything wrong or that i've done anything wrong and rudy giuliani going in. look, rudy giuliani just makes the case that the, think what the united states senate just did. they acknowledged, yes, in fact, he did do all of those things. yes, in fact, he did try to get a foreign leader, not to come up with dirt on biden, just say i'm going to investigate biden. when have you ever seen a sitting president spend so much time, so much money, risk so much to decide to pick somebody who he wants out of the race in a democratic primary? >> it's incredible. >> really is amazing. it. >> what planet are we on? >> mr. vice president, a lot of your case electability. you're the man to beat, to beat donald trump. as you said, a tough result in iowa. explained a loss here tonight makes sense because bernie sanders has home field advantage,s from a neighboring state. how do you explain, you finish fourth or fifth, a mayor from indiana. a senator from minnesota. no home field at advantage there. why would you still make the
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case if you were to finish behind them here you're the most electable candidate going forward. >> look, talking about two states that are great states but small states and in fact they're not, how can i say it? representative what the country looks like, and how can you go in and suggest that before you get to states that have large minority populations and diverse populations that, in fact, you know what the outcome's going to be? look what did bernie or whomever won in iowa, who knows who won in iowa, but what are we talking about? 15 delegates? you got to have, whatever the number ends up being, my guess, 7, 8, whatever i got. i don't know the number. have to get over 1,900 delegates to win. this is just beginning. i have to tell you, i am concerneded when you have two guys that are running who in fact are going to spend combined over $1 billion, going into super tuesday, that's never happened before. who knows where that goes.
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i don't know. all i know is that the first, the first two of these, the primary and caucus, that's not end of the game. this is, kickoff, man. i used to do punt returns. you know? waiting for the ball to come down and can hear the footsteps but you know if you get one shot, you get, you miss that first guy misses you you're going all the way. >> good. >> anyway, look, it's early. and i know that, expect -- in other words, what else could biden say? but i can tell you, if i had won both places i'm not going to tell you i know i'm going to win the whole deal, but, look, i feel good. i'm running for three reasons. one, restore dignity to the office so our kids, you can have your kids look at the television when the president is on. matters a lot because he's damaging our reputation around the world. [ cheers and applause ] and secondly -- secondly, got to rebuild the
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middle class. this time bring everybody along. i really mean it. look, this is an enormous opportunity. think about it. trump sort of ripped the band-aid off. he's opened the wound, said this is what i'm doing. remember, joe, you guys talked a lot about, and you were right, how right after we passed obamacare and we lost the house. said, well, you know, that's because of obamacare. well, i remember saying to the president, hey, mr. president, got to take a victory lap. let people know what you did. i don't have time, joe. get things done. okay. guess what? now comes 2018. between 2016 and '18, trump tries to rip the guts out of it, and he does pretty well. and then all of a sudden, everybody's running on the republican side get rid of obamacare. so now people are going, wait. that's why i have preexisting conditioning covered? why my kids are covered? ran on one thing in red states,
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taking away the precondition your kid has, idea keep your kid on a policy up 26, the idea you can't charge a woman more for the same procedure as a man. and why? why is -- obamacare. i didn't know that. i didn't find one republican in the 24 states that said, no, i want to get rid of obamacare. no, no, no, no, not me. i learned something, too, by the way. i didn't realize donald trump was the reason why preexisting conditions were covered. i didn't know that. a guy actually says that. no shame, for god's sake. don't worry about the coronavirus he says, when the warm weather comes things are going to get better. >> my god. brace yourselves, horrible, horrible. so -- couldn't make it up, joe. >> no. it's nuts. >> you can't make it up but he makes it up every day. >> every day. >> we know you have to go, but i want to end by talking about something that happened last night. you were talking and a heckler
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came up and was about to get to you, and jill -- >> yes. >> cuts him off. >> that's right. >> and as their asking jill why she did it, and how she did it -- she was just. >> i love her. >> very nonchalant and the reporter writes in the article that she just responded while drinking a beer in a pub, i'm a philly girl. that's what we do. >> look at this. >> that's a -- >> look at that. she's right in there. going to make sure you're okay. >> she said to me, i was worried he had a gun. what are you doing? thought he had a gun? oh -- tell you what. >> sorry. that's dedication. i love it. >> i married way up,man. i married way up. >> all right. former vice president joe biden thank you very, very much. >> thank you so much. >> the obvious. >> great to see you. >> thank you for coming on. [ applause ] coming up, another democratic candidate, former mayor pete buttigieg joins us right here on-set.
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yes, please. gary? how's miami romne-- mitt romney? key him. we don't want him. doing a great job in utah, by the way. go ahead, gary. >> president trump taking a jab at republican senator mitt romney from front of utah governor gary herbert. joins us now, journali isist an politics editor at "at the root" and contributor jason johnson.
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columnist and deputy editorial editor at the "washington post" ruth marcus and u.s. national editor at the "financial times" easy loos is wi ed loos is with us. what are you doing here, ed? >> you asked me that in des moines and should have said what everybody else said, trying to figure out what is going on. new hampshire is special. i prefer new hampshire as a state. where else in the world can you drive from berlin to lebanon in one hour? >> you got it. that's true. >> i've been trying to pick off the more marginal candidates like amy klobuchar, who i saw yesterday, how did she do? >> she made a very powerful case she's got a better track record than any other candidate of winning in red counties, in red districts. won michele bachmann the district. that minnesota nice, a little sense of humor, is what's lacking.
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that sort of sunshine is lacking in the debate at the moment, and i have to say, she weaved her centrist minnesota nice politics very, very, very well with her biography, and so i wouldn't be surprised if this, if people are talking about to some extent is real. >> the top coat, first of all. >> striking. >> very nice. >> yes. >> i was at a klobuchar event yesterday also, jason, and she's really making the point that i am not bernie sanders. i am not elizabeth warren. i am a centrist, if you want to use that word from minnesota. asked, is there room in the democratic party for people against abortion? she sent, of course there is. other candidates said, no. it's important to be pro-choice to be in this party. also talks about the dangers of socialism and ideas bernie and elizabeth are putting forward. trying to drive into that lane and doing well. >> and the side room.
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far offside room because she's not leading anything. i think when you tell people, pick me because you're not happy with anybody else you haven't made the most compelling case available. that's the real challenge. mayor pete has a lane. pick me. i'm a mayor. charming, new, young. bernie sanders has a lane. progressive, revolution. joe biden, i'm the former vice president. amy klobuchar's argument, if you're dissatisfied come to me. that doesn't work in politics. you have to have a reason to vote for you not just against somebody else. >> i a disagray with jason. kind of to mayor pete, get out of my lane and wait your turn. talked to a lot of people at buttigieg rallies tempted byiig klobuchar. i don't think she can win. i have doubts with pete and his experience, going with him because seems she can't win. you want to say that's kind of
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up to you. isn't it? win is a relative term. we're not talking ak winning the new hampshire primary, doing the bill clinton equivalent of the comeback kid. here comeback kid would be comeback senator and in third place. that would be pretty significant. i think that that would be pret significant. and timing is everything in politics and the timing of he her performance on friday night and the performance in the polls has given atemtd edtempted by h maybe go vote for her, where you can go for a bloomberg and steyer and billionaire fueled world is another question. but i think that it will be interesting tonight. >> and who finishes third is really going to make a difference in new hampshire tonight. it is interesting that because -- who finishes fourth and fifth, i mean, just not a lot of good stories to write if you are joe biden, if you are elizabeth warren or even if you are amy klobuchar.
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that third place position tonight, that show position, matters. >> yeah, i think klobuchar fourth could kecarry on if she beats biden or warren. if warren doesn't come at least third, i mean, this is her neighboring state. she was the frontrunner just 8, 10 weeks ago. if she can't finish third in new hampshire, i think the money spigot will start drying up for her and they will start going to bernie. and so i would say the biggest stakes here other than for the vice president in the results tonight are for elizabeth warren sadly. >> i agree. jason, it is not a knockout round new hampshire, we have a long way to go. as ruth was you saying before we came on the air, we're not the world now, we're iowa and new hampshire picking the nominee. that said, if you are elizabeth warren or joe biden, man, you are fighting when the music
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stops for that third chair. because if you are not in it, it is bad news. >> these aren't single elimination playoffs just yet. we have to see what ends up happening. i think with warren it is infinitely more dangerous. joe biden has staked his claim on south carolina. and if he can stum bell hcan sto south carolina, he can stay in the race. elizabeth warren i think it is a much tighter circumstance. she can't absolutely blow this and still think that she is going to be viable. but i do question this, i don't know if elizabeth warren if she were to drop out of the race and i don't think that it will happen anytime soons, i don't know that they are voters would necessarily go to bernie sanders. i think how bernie sanders has talked about her and treated her, they might go to mayor beat or joe biden. >> so let me drill down with what you said about joe biden and that firewall question which he said let me get to south carolina, i have huge african-american support down there, we saw a poll nationally
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showing mike bloomberg taking a bit bite out of that support. and joe biden said we shouldn't take voters for granted. he can't that for granted. if he loses big in iowa and new hampshire, the african-american voters didn't say we're with you all the way, they say we're not going to back a losing horse. >> and again, we were just talking about this, this is where we have to have people who are actually talking to black voters on a regular basis to get this is story. there are lots of problems with mike bloomberg, but at some point if you can't get the one that you wnts, yyou want, you g that you can finish with. to lose half your black support basically in a month because you are stumbling so bad, that is joe biden's fault. >> and are you surprised 22%, up 15 for mike bloomberg with black voters? >> no, i'm not surprised about this at all. number one, they skippedo over
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bernie sanders. he xncan't seem to break 20% wi black voters and that is a problem. african-americans want joe biden, but if he can't do this, we will make a deal with the devil and go for mike bloomberg. and despite all the problems with mike bloomberg, the stop and frisk, terrible things he may have done as mayor, he will still get black support if the issue is we want to win. >> of all of the polls that we've been consuming here, the most significant is that q poll that shows the erosion of the biden support and simultaneously the increase in the bloomberg support. and timing is as i said is everything in politics. and 18 a days is an eternity in politics. and if south carolina is joe biden's firewall and he comes in fourth or fifth here and that african-american support is already diminishing because they seem to have been in south carolina in particular very maki pragmatic community in their vote being they started to
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support barack obama when barack obama demonstrated that he could win. and the sort of flip can be true of joe biden. so this could be -- that poll could be the inauguration of a disaster. >> final thoughts. >> america has very low turnout in elections. and generally it is the poor who don't vote. you get 60% or so voting, some democracies get 90%. the difference is the poor don't vote because the poor don't believe the system will change anything. if bernie sanders can demonstrate that he can get the poll voting and higher number, he didn't in iowa, but that could be a oneoff, then that changes the whole equation. so tonight the thing i'm most interested this is it you werout. do we get back to high turnout after that dip in iowa. >> into no is the abcnswer. >> all right. ruth answered that. >> thank you all so much. a lot more to cover this morning in new hampshire.
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here is what senator amy klobuchar said about our next guest just moments ago. >> i have a lot of respect for pete. but i know that i've got the experience in two ways. experience of getting things done in washington, d.c., passing over 100 bills as a lead democrat, more than anyone else in the senate that is in the race. but secondly, i bring the receipts. >> all right. and pete buttigieg will join us at the top of the hour. "morning joe" will be right back.
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we're live in manchester, new hampshire on primary day. loo along with joe, willie and me, we have eugene robinson, steve rattner is here, and we welcome to the show democratic presidential candidate former mayor pete buttigieg. your supporters love you. >> the momentum is fantastic. we were just out at a couple polling sites where our volunteers are 14ishivering in world holding our signs and i love the energy. we'll keep pushing all the way and we feel good about new hampshire. >> so it is primary day in new hampshire. again, for a lot of people that love politics and follow politics, this is as goods as i gets. talk about how your day last already started.
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>> so the day began with bringing coffee and doughnuts to supporters who are out there at the early polling sites. even before dawn. and it is a great civic ritual of democratic participation and exciting to see and also remarkable to think that we've been at this more than a year now spreading our message about how we can put together a campaign based on belonging, the campaign that i believe will ultimately go on and defeat donald trump. and with him right here in the state last night, it reminded us all of what is at stake and making sure that we do have the campaign and nominee who can bring an end to the trump presidency because we can't afford four more years of this. >> are you going to win tonight? >> we think so. we think that it will be a really good night. i know that we're up against some neighborhood competition, new england senators, but i still think that we'll have a great showing. >> we just had vice president biden here and his argument, he has conceded that he won't do terribly well here, but he said
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let me get to south carolina, nevada, more diverse states. it is not news to you that you have struggled with african-american voters, latino voters that will be coming up as we move away from iowa and in that in that. what is your message to them as you move toward those states? >> ace speak with voters of color, we're talking about folks who have the most to lose in so many ways. no one is feeling the most -- no one is feeling the pain of living in this administration more than voters of color and as we engage with latino voters especially but not only in nevada, as we reach out to black voters in the south, i know how many have a laser focus on making sure that we defeat donald trump. a as you can see the way numbers are jumping around, many are looking at candidates and it is really down to the wire where there is a handful of options, very different visions on what it will take not only to win the election, but to move the country forward. >> what is your diagnosis
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personally of why you've struggled with 23ri7b voafrican voters? >> black voters have every reason to be skeptical of new faces especially after a feeling of being taken for granted and often in the democratic party. and it is different when you haven't had years or decades to earn a level of credit ability. but we're taking every opportunity to make sure that we're enxwankigaging with voter want to know what your plan is. but also who you are and how you will win. that is what we'll be taking as our message through nevada, south carolina and on into the states that follow. and of course in order to earn this nomination, it is critical to earn the support of voters of every background and i want to make sure black voter, latino voters and others across the country know that i will not write any vote off and i will not take anyone for granted.
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>> you got 14 delegates out of iowa as far as we can tell and bernie sanders got 12. you are the official frontrunner. number one, how does that feel? >> it is all the more reason to keep an underdog mentality. you have to keep your head down and keep pushing. but it is remarkable what happened. i don't think a year ago anybody would have predicted that this is where we would be. i believed in our message, but this campaign began with a staff of fortune, no name recognition, just this idea. and we saw in iowa that the idea can gather a lot of different people together. but new hampshire is a state that thinks for itself. nobody tells new hampshire what do. so being here is a chance to gln straig demonstrate that kind of support. >> and it is rashlgabemarkable south you said r bend bend to w. how do you sustain the argument that you, the new guy from south bend, is the guy? >> well, in many ways that is
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the argument. it is the idea that we need to bring a different perspective to washington. look, i'm no stranger to governing or service and i'm no stranger to holding office. but i think that there is a sense right now that we need to turn the page and do something different. and what i'm offering is a perspective that i think lines up with perspectives from communities like is is mine, industrial cities, small communities and even in the biggest cities, a lot of area where is people feel like the political process just isn't speaking to them. this is our opportunity to bring those voices to washington and i think that that is part of how we've been able to gather this unlikely coalition together and bilgd the support th build the support that we have. >> and people were lined up for hours standing in the cold last night for the trump rally. hours and hours to be there for many more hoyehours and then co leave for hours. i think a lot of those people will vote for donald trump, they will show up the way that they did yesterday.
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if you could be in a room with five minutes for every single one of those people, and i believe it was 12,000 people who showed up, but if you couldone- you say? >> i'd say the president thinks that you are a sucker. and the only economic process that he's kept is cutting taxes on the corporations and the wealthy. he thinks that you won't notice that manufacturing is in recession, he thinks that you won't notice that he put out a budget yesterday, same day that he came here into new hampshire, cutting education, cutting environmental protection, but not just that, he has opened the door to cutting social security and medicare and medicaid, the very things he swoor up are to . so maybe in the past folks would give him a pass or this or that character flaw, but this is more than a question of overlooking certain deficiencies. the totality of this president ci -- presidency has divided the country and broken promise after promise.
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>> but they are still giving him a pass. >> you will always have your base. and i mean, the day he resigninged in disgrace, richard nixon had 25% of the country with him. so this is not about the idea that you can shake off every trump supporter. it is about the knowledge that there is a powerful american majority right now that bts with as wants to see this country move in a different direction that maybe doesn't agree on everything, but can agree on being tired of -- >> but let's talk though about the democratic party's problem and it has been a problem for a long time of having working class voters who vote against their own economic self interests. remember 2004 after george bush won, there is a book called what's the matter with kansas. and democrats are always wondering what is wrong with these people who aren't stroeting for stroet i voting for us anymore. make the problem is not those people, maybe the problem is the democratic party. and the question is, what does the democratic party do to say,
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listen, i understand you love what this guy says and it makes you feel good about yourself, but you do understand that amazon and the largest multinational koorpg corporatiocorporatio corporations on the planet pay less in taxes than you do. we won't be closed off on your beliefs on abortion, maybe you don't think that i should be able to marry another man. okay. we understand you have your religious trues. we have our beliefs. but we can somehow come together and synthesize all these things. so again, we can learn to live together and you can vote is in a way that will actually uplift your own economic interests. because right now, they are voting against economic interests for cultural reasons. >> i think telling somebody that they are foolishly voting against their interests is not a
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way to pull themoff over to yo side. but i get what you where saying. >> but how do you tell democrats though that they are foolishly throwing away elections by sk elitists who look down on somebody who may have a different belief than they do? >> a lot of this is tone. he remember, in terms of substance and policy, you know, defending a woman he 00 right to choose is a majority position that lot of republicans support. same thing with marriage equality. so i don't think that it is that it is elitist of us to believe in a progress stiff social vision. i do though agree that sometimes the tone is just off. >> is there space in the democratic party for pro-life voters? >> there are a lot of blow life democratis whe democrats where i'm from. i don't believe that it is appropriate to get my vote by trying to twrrick them. but -- >> but you can respect their views. >> i understand that there is a
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difference of opinion that we come by honestly. >> and you can respect their view, right? like a blow life person can respect a pro-choice person's view. you respect views in people that are blow lif are pro-life. >> a lot of people that i respect are are and even supported me view that issue differently than i do. but we're at a moment where there is so much that this country is up against. and we'll rise and fall together. and it is not about pretending that we're going to agree on everything. it is about finding the center of gravity of this country. and this is why it is so important. >> but i'm not talking about pretending. i'm talking about respect. i can respect people who have different views than i do on marriage equality and on life issues. and for too long democrats have just made people feel if you -- and bernie said it. there is no room for somebody who is pro-life in our party. well, that is really bad news for the democratic party if they want to win swing states, isn't it? >> and let's be clear, if you want to talk about absolutist
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hardcore political positioning, i'd be looking at the republican party right now too. this is our chance to break through all of that and it is where i part ways with senator sanders. as he lays out this vision that says either you are for a revolution or you must be for the status quo, that is a vision where a lot of us don't see where we fit. and here we have this opportunity to pull together without compromising our values, to pull together a majority so powerful, so big that it would not only lead to the defeat of donald trump but we got to win big enough that trumpism goes into the history books. >> and the same question a slightly different way. which is that -- >> we do all agree at least i certainly agree that the republican party is extraordinarily intolerant under donald trump. >> but that is the opportunity. donald trump has so sort of -- it is the trumpist party now. it is all about donald trump.
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it is all about him. and so is there perhaps historic opportunity for the democratic party to become a -- not just a big tent party, because huge tent party? >> an extraordinary opportunity. >> fdr coalition. >> and does that not imply admitting and welcoming people who have different views from the mainstream democratic party? >> we need to have as big a tent as possible. and again, i don't think it is just about policy views. i think it is about calling everybody into a shared american project. you know, i've been very clear on my policy positions and i know when somebody comes to my event and says i'm a republican but i'm voting for you this time, it doesn't mean that they magically converted to what i think about every issue. it means that there is a sense-46 and i'm hearing a rumble that maybe we have folks in that cat better egory here.
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i talk about the future former republicans. the way that donald trump has scrambled the party that is an insult to a lot of republican values too. if you are a republican because you believe in fiscal responsibility and you see this trillion dollar deficit, imagine if you are a republican because you are a person of faith and you see how he rides into the national prayer breakfast and makes a mockery of literally any scriptural teaching about pride, humility or decency. if you are a republican because you believe in norms and institutions and you see what is happening in this party, if you are a republican because you are skeptical about overreach internationally and you see what happened with the iran strike, there are so many opportunities now to recenter our american politics in a way that will make more sense for everybody. and that does present a historic opportunity without waerg down our value, without walking away from our principals, but with an inclusive message that says to everybody who wants to be with us in this struggle that you are
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welcome on this side. i think that that could be the chance to set the tone for the next 50 years, not just the next four. >> and so all of that would be great. but in the meantime, we have to win this election. we just need to get to 51% or 52% and that comes back to the core economic issue that you were talking about. and you gave a very short and clear version of your alternative facts so to speak, not to parody somebody else. but when you look at the number, trump has something like a 63% a approval rating on the polls. all the headlines on the economy are mopositive. you've had 25 candidates out there for the last two years,ing some version of what you just said about the economy. and none of that has penetrated to the american people who do approve of his handling of the economy. so how do we win that argument? >> here is the proof that you can have a big change election during a good economy.
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the proof is that donald trump got elected in 2016 when all the economic numbers were very encouraging. look, this is not an ordinary recovery. because it is not getting the most of us. >> but the numbers were not nearly as encouraging as they are now. >> job growth is actually slower now. when you have the gdp going up and life expectancy going down at the same time, this year it ticked up a little bit, but overall -- >> but steve, you brought your charts on, didn't you tell us that job growth increased more the final three years under barack obama than the first three years under donald trump? >> i make my version of everything that the mayor just said all eeover the place. i'll make this afternoon toot democr -- to the democratic caucus. >> make you h. mayybe bauer the talking about the great trump economy and in fact we're in the
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11th year of the obama recovery and he is not doing as well as obama. >> that is true. think about this. president obama comes in, unemployment is like 10, right? and under president obama, it goes from about 10 to 5. and this president gets it from 5 to 4 and he is look the rooster who thinks that he made the sun come up. i'm not discounting what you are saying. no question he will thump his chest and talk about the dow jones. but the real question, what is the definition of a good economy, is it the same thing as the stock market? if you have a building on your name on it in manhattan, i suppose the stock market and economy do start to look one in the same. but in the communities that i'm visiting, again, whether you are in a neighborhood in some of the biggest cities or whether you are in pockets of my own industrial midwestern hometown or a lot of the rural communities i'm visiting where for example farm bankruptcies where going through the roof, the real question is what are we
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measuring. and this is why i believe as president we will need to change the measure of a good economy from the dow jones to the income growth of the 90%. because a gi g. economy is ooode that is working for most of us. >> and you are right, unemployment growth has been slower under obama. but the american people don't seem to know that. so why have all 25 of you not been able to get that across to the american people? >> because there are 25 of us. there will come a point where we have one nominee making one case against the president. and right now, we're still in a scram bell making clear which of us ought to be that nominee. as that sorts itself out, the message starts to become clearer and clearer too. and that is part of why we where going through this process is to identify the messenger who can do the best job of conveying to the american people not just -- it is not just about poking
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holes in trump's fairy tales. it is about explaining where we're going next. what does the better picture for the future look like. and if folks can see themselves in that, and if it is actually true, that is the most important thing. to have a sense of where our economy and our country are headed as we are facing issues from the rise of the gig economy to the role of the tech companies to new global health security threats from abroad, we have to lay out a vision for the future that will actually show how americans can prosper and be safe in the years to come. >> and steve's own charts used against him. that is just cold. that is cold. >> never seen that. >> so mayor buttigieg, we talked to you about policy mostly when you come on. i want to ask you a human question. i mentioned as you came on, you were on the show three years ago this week as a matter of fact. and when you walked away, we all said that guy is good, he should run for something some day. and some day came quicker than
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anybody thought. you have already made history would i winning in iowa. you could make history again tonight in new hampshire. have you had any chance to stop and appreciate how fast you've risen and what you've already accomplished? >> there are not a lot of moments for reflection in the heeft c heat of the campaign, but it is extraordinary to look back where we were three years ago or even a year ago. a year and a half ago, i was driving my chevy to work, maybe biking on a good day, and to go from just living your life -- i mean, not that mayor is a normal job, but having a pretty typical life is in my neighborhood in the middle of the american midwest to now having this conversation with the entire american people about where we're headed. i think that it is a testament to our system as messy and kompgly indicakompg kompgly indicated and flawed as
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our system is, there is something about democracy and in particular the democracy of requiring our presidential candidates to go into backyards, to go into diners, to look in the eyes of voters and ask for their support that takes it away from stardom, away from fame and information chooun and information are chun and where voters ask how is my life going to be different if you are pld. and going through that conversation in a very human way has whether he had to this extraordinary from a jeker to that we've been on for the last year. >> we're getting a wrap. but that means one thing here. i'll ask one more question. because i want in on a policy question that we haven't talked about. and it is extraordinarily po important. and it has to do with climate change, with creating a glean grid green grid in the united states, with reduszing our carbon
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footprint hfoot. how do we do that while balancing the economic needs. we can do both. but it seems that people fall on one side are on the other. you how do you find that middle lane that allows you to work aggressively to confront climate change while not taking away jobs of working class americans? >> so as with most thing, part of it is policy and part of it is tone. the policy piece and i'm proposing that we put over $200 billion toward this is to directly support career transitions for those who are working in the fields that will go through the most change. but we also somewhere to strike a tone that is not clubbing people over the head telling them they are part of the problem, but rather recruiting them to be part of the solution. because when i talk when the millions of net new jobs that we will create in this green economy, i think people visualize newfangled jobs and some of that is what it will require. but some of these jobs, these
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green job, are very easy to understand and already exist. i'm talking about union electrical work ertz aers and carpenters. just to do the building retrofits that will be required. so finding a lot of people from industrial workers to farmers who may have been made to feel that they are the problem, maybe that accepting climate science would be a moral defeat on their part. instead they need to hear the message that not only can they thrive, we can't do it without them and we're ready to create the pathway for them. >> all right. >> former mayor pete buttigieg, thank you so much. great to have you. eugene robinson, thank you as well. still ahead, oh, my gosh, does it get better? it does. chris matthews, claire mccaskill, andrea mitchell is all joining the conversation.
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. first of all, the munchkin, i'm bigger than he is. i'm taller, but he's heavier than me. so i guess he has that bit off. and on the thing, the attack, nothing i didn't expect. i mean, the thing i've said all along and he is -- his reference i didn't understand. i'm hoping he wasn't referring that because i'm from west wewe that we can't understand. the evidence was overwhelming. >> okay. wow. that was senator joe manchin responding to the attacks from president trump who called the west virginia lawmaker a puppet
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of the democratic party. and referred to him as joe munchkin. >> and what is so interesting, what donald trump did is what he's done to the people of alabama when he was making fun of jeff sessions and making fun of his accent, and saying that he went to a bad law school which of course university of alabama is actually a very good law school. but chris matthews, it is interesting that -- >> we have chris, claire, an degreeandrea and steve here. >> and he suggested that west virginia can't understand things and that people from alabama are dumb. >> yeah, that is not too i ingratia ingratiating. i love politicians that have a quick retort. it is always the retort that wins. there you go again, mr. president. you know, the shot back is always more powerful. people didn't like people attacking, but they love people who talk from a defensive position. and that is how you winner wars.
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okay, make fun of me because then people are rooting for you. everybody roots for you when you have been attacked. i hope you're not saying that the people of west virginia can't read. i hope you're not saying that. but of course that is what he was saying. >> and also to the point that he was overweight, that donald trump was overweight and that also shouldn't call him a munchkin because actually joe manchin like most of us are taller than donald trump. >> well, you know, joe manchin gets one important concept and that is pivot and punch. and it is a very important concept in politics. and the punch that delivered there was how fat donald trump is. >> oh, my gosh. you revel in that. >> because it kills donald trump. he tries to hide it. he constantly is -- i mean, i get it. i don't like showing off that i'm yefr woverweight. but it is one of the things -- >> is that what the big tie is for, to hide it? >> yes. >> the optical illusions.
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>> so manchin knew the pressure point. i'm taller and thinner than you are, 2ku are, donald trump. >> and he didn't go to the point of trump can't read. >> and he doesn't. >> but speaking of trump not reading, i was watching positth rally and he started talking about manchester and concord. saying it is a really famous place and i realized that he was talking about concord, new hampshire. >> and he also mispronounced concord. >> and then berlin. up got to get it right up here. it is not juanita county. >> so speaking of donald trump, let's talk about the trump rally last night. chris, 12,000, 13,000 people there. and we saw people waiting out side in the cold, in the rain, and i mean the dedication was
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intense. >> my wife was here and she said you have to come out and see this. of course i had to go do the show. but she said i felt like they were on a different planet, they were all different. the trump people. i have a different -- i recognize it because my family is from that crowd. but i mean, but a demonstration of strength, no doubt about it. he seems do it every time the democrats have an event, he calls one of these events. >> he did it in iowa as well. and a lot of those people were not from new hampshire. and, you know -- >> he is the greatful dead of the republican party. >> pete buttigieg had a big crowd last night. bernie sanders had a really big crowd. >> this is a is serious competition for the american voter. and we're all paying attention. it will be one tough, tough general election. and the democrats better find the toughest candidate they got to guy. pennsylvania is not going to be easy by any stretch. >> and so who is that? >> that is for the voters to
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decide. >> but in the makeup of what is happening, it could be a brokered convention. it could be bloomberg. but have we actually seen bloomberg on the campaign trail? >> yes. >> talk to me about that. >> mike has been on the road every day. he's not doing rallies with 12,000 people, but he is doing events all over the place. he was in virginia, texas, he was in california. he is everywhere. he is doing events. in a week or so we'll see him on the big stage perhaps and then that will be a different measure. but to say that mike hasn't been out there with all due respect is not true. he is seven days a week on the road out there meeting voters. >> and steefr, just so we can tell our viewers of course, steve is -- >> full disclosure. >> he works with miake bloomber and handles his money. >> and there isn't quite as much as there was two weeks ago. >> but the reason, steve, obviously he was mayor for 12
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years in the biggest city in the country if not the world. the fact is that the reason why he is number three in the q poll and why he is rising up too 22% with african-american voters are the ads, the obama, quote, endorseme admenmen ament ads. and the test will be the debate stage and super tuesday. i think that potentially coming out of new hampshire you will have the most fragmented democratic party with bernie sanders clearly the leader now, national leader in at least one poll, and the leader coming out of new hampshire where he was already having such a big advantage, the question is what will be the turnout, will it be disappointing as it was in iowa, will people come out. and where does this go going forward. and will the party be so fragmented or will they start coalescing, will you begin to have a trump candidacy and
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bernie sanders and the anti-bernie sanders. and what will be the result for the fair. the party faces a real civil war potentially going forward. >> and just to follow up, steve, when i talk about mike bloomberg not getting under the glare of the lights, i think the debate will obviously be the first step into the foray of that. but is he doing gaggles with reporters? >> yes. every time when he goes to norfolk, he meets with the local reporters. and he has done some sitdowns. let me say a word about the black vote. yes, nobody can dispute the advertising is a huge advantage and it is what it is. but mike also -- there was a poll earlier this morning about what has happened to mike's support among black voefrtblack. he went to tulsa -- >> and i talked to a minute is iter there who has been an extraordinary leader and he got huge support there.isiter there extraordinary leader and he got huge support there.
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one of the worst jim crow hideous massacres in american history and he is the only democratic candidate who has recognized that. >> and he can out with an economic empowerment plan. >> claire, you are a democrat that knows how to fight. there aren't a lot. and it is interesting that the reaction to these bloomberg 5ds, a lot of democrats are saying wait, why didn't we do this before. why are we having to -- why is he the first person who knows how to roll up his sleeves and punch trump. and we're talking about the obama endorsement ad as, not really and an doors ptment endo it looks like why. why didn't joe biden come that? it is like bloomberg is running the ads that democrats, rank and file democrat, want to see all the other candidates running. but's dos it. >> let's don't underestimate what money can do.
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you ha money to run them, focus group them, do all of that. and most of these candidates are trying to figure out how to get to the next stop, how to stay within the budget that they have got, how much money is coming in overnight. where can we deploy it immediately. it is a whole different mind set than what the bloomberg campaign has. i'm not saying what bloomberg is doing is right or not smart, but it is a different kind of campaign. i want to point out wong thing th one thing that is really important. bernie in 2016 tied in and i with a and got 60% of the vote in new hampshire. and he doesn't win the nomination. if he breaks 25% tonight, probably close 75% of the people who vote in new hampshire who vote for someone else. so this idea that we will anoint anybody out of new hampshire is ignoring the reality of the race
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that we have this time. we have a bunch of moderates who are going to have to coalesce eventually and we have a secret that we didn't have in 2016, the great unifier, donald j. trump. it will unify our party even if bernie doesn't get the nomination and bernie supporters are upset. >> i like the ad, the latest one, because it praised jack kennedy. ask not what your country can do for you. the most memorable comments ever made. and ronald reagan, if you want to know the american sweet spot, it is right between jack kennedy and ronald reagan. that is the person who switched over to reagan who really has their heart in sort of a center left democratic party. and he said in that ad this is a deviation from that. he is indecent, he is grub bi, he is awful.
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and this -- what we want is a designate the driver right now. we're not looking for a revolution. we want a designated -- somebody to get us home. we just want somebody who is sober to get us home. >> that is true. >> and that is mike bloomberg. oldest expre esest expression i make strange bedfellows. i think the big gulp was a joke, are you kidding me? we have other things do than tell people how big your coke should be. go back for a refill at the movie theater. but this is bigger than the big gulp. >> i was all for that. >> the big gulp made life expect
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abo expectancy go up in new york. we can debate that later. i hope you are both right about the party coming together. i'm really scared about it. >> i'm with steve. >> i'm scared about bernie's people and whether they will see whoever come out of it, especially if it is mike bloomberg, i think that they will be scared. i think that they will be very unset and wonder whether this is a legitimate process and whether they will show up. >> i heard it with donald trump about , had people that talked about governor sununu, the old governor sununu, like screaming and yelling at us because we would have donald trump on our show. and now he spent the past four years kissing up to him. they all unify at the end. and i will say i agree with claire, nothing unifies democrats like donald trump. >> i'm saying that they need to
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be really -- democrats have to bring their "a" game for all those thousands of people across the street for the trump rally and they were from all over, they are not from new hampshire not all of them, but they were collecting all kinds of data, names. they are data mining that stuff today. they have a machine that has to be counter acted if sdemocrats want to win. >> and to follow up on what an degree andrea is saying, they have the get out the vote operation, much better than it was in 2016, which i think for some people that may be an argument yet another for michael bloomberg. nobody will have a better data operation than michael bloomberg. >> and chris matthew, andrea mitchell, what an amazing conversation. thank you both very much. we have to get to break. much more still ahead. live from new hampshire on this primary day, keep it right here on "morning joe." >> i love concord. oh, concord.
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we're talking about two states that are great states, but they are small states. and they are not -- how can i say it? representative of what the country looks like. and how can you go in and suggest that before you get to states that have large minority populations and diverse populations that in fact you know what the outcome is going to be? look, what did bernie or whomever won in iowa, and who knows who won this iowa, but what are we talking about, 15 delegates? you got to have -- or whatever the number ends up being. seven or eight or whatever i got, i don't know what it will turn out to be. but we have to get over 1900 delegates to win in that is just beginning. >> and that was joe biden talking with us earlier this morning. our next guest says that amy klobuchar pulled a chris christie in friday's debate. we'll explain what that means,
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house editor for the political report, david wasserman. great to have you with us. what's going on. >> great to have you here. what do you see in new hampshire happening? >> i spent the weekend going to see all five candidates in all far flung parts of the state. what i saw in the debate was similar to what we saw in 2016 when the question was who is going to stop trump. now the question is who is going to stop bernie. everyone assumes it is everyone else's job on the democratic side. when amy klobuchar went after
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pete buttigieg, if she ends up finishing third here and there's continuing mutt he will in the party heading into the contest and super tuesday, that's similar to what we saw on the republican side in 2016 when rubio failed to capitalize on momentum in new hampshire to consolidate that wing of the republican party. the question is with buttigieg, with klobuchar, biden and now bloomberg spending a ton of money, who is going to consolidate the base. i'm not sure someone can to stop bernie. >> we talked about intensity of trump supporters yesterday standing out in the rain, they do it everywhere. curious what your thoughts are as we go into the democratic primary in new hampshire. where does donald trump stand? is he a 43, 44% guy that still has to figure out how to get the final 3 or 4 percentage points to win this thing?
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cardinal said something i agree with, but i'm in the distinct minority. he is a 43% guy. 43% guys don't win. the total freak out, again, everybody is freaked out, i don't get the total freak out. it is about numbers. he has to get from 43 to 46%. >> all democrats need to nominate is a normal person. >> that seems so hard. >> a fallen meteor beats donald trump. did you see that poll? >> anyway, you talked about normal people. >> right. i was at bernie sanders' rally. he is handing out stickers that say solidarity forever. is that going to be the general election message for the sanders campaign? look, he connects with some small town voters. when i was in clairmont he was speaking with familiarity and authority about issues effecting distressed communities that connects in small town new hampshire.
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i think we're going to see that in the results tonight. does it translate into a general election? his introductory speaker, the lieutenant governor from vermont said billionaires were committing economic murder. that got the crowd on its feet. do you think that group will consolidate against michael bloomberg if he purchases the nomination? >> claire, you and i have been around politics for awhile. >> decades. >> decades. people talk big this time of year. never going to support so and so, such and such, 99% of the time they do, whether it is bernie or whether it is bloomberg or biden, it always seems they end up lining up behind their candidate. >> next month is going to be tough for the democratic party. we're going to have a lot of contests. there's going to be a lot of fur flying back and forth among the candidates. but at the end of the day there are more people who believe that you should still have the option
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of getting insurance at work and there are people don't think paris hilton's kids should get a free college education. those are people that will decide elections in wisconsin, pennsylvania, ohio, and the states that really matter in the electoral college. i feel pretty good about this. will there be bernie supporters that won't vote if he doesn't get the nomination, there may be, but that doesn't mean there are not enough americans that want to throw trump out of office. >> should paris hilton's kids get free -- >> i didn't know she had kids. i wish her the best. i don't know. dave, let me ask you about a lot of people operating on the assumption that bernie obviously is going to do well, that mayor buttigieg will probably do very well here, and that sort of leaves senator warren, senator klobuchar, joe biden group behind him. what are you looking for in that group, how is it looking to
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finish third? >> biden can make the case these are two of my worst states. obviously bloomberg is bypassing everything to spend a billion. klobuchar if she comes in third has a narrative she's moving up, and elizabeth warren when i went to her concorde rally sunday, 80% of people there seemed like they were bussed in from massachusetts. she joked about it, saying it is up to you, voters of massachusetts, caught herself. does she bow out of the race if she's potentially the last woman standing along with klobuchar, and we are headed for a debate stage with four white dudes in a party less than 30% white male. how is the dnc and tom perez going to defend that? >> let's get a white dude demographic. >> i would say two things. with respect to super tuesday and the center fighting it out, yes, could be a muddle.
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reasonable chance biden won't be there super tuesday, given what's happening. i think the three of you are -- if democrats nominate a normal person, we'll win it. he is a unique species of creature descended from whatever planet he came from. needs to get out of office. this will be hard. there are four incumbents not reelected in the last 120 years. three were in economic distress, one in 1912 when teddy roosevelt cost taft re-election in favor of wilson. you may not believe it, i think mayor pete gave a great explanation how we would argue it, but headlines and public perception is that the economy is getting better, trump is making it better. that's what most people believe. this will be hard. i think we can win, but not by saying we're going to nominate a normal person, let it all just
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happen. >> i think first going to numbers, first president never break 50% in the polls. >> right. if you look at his overall approval rating, it is below where bush and obama were. you look at his handling of the economy, steve's point, it is really good. the democrat that won't necessarily rock the boat on the economy, isn't pledging for a revolution, can win on temperament and restoring faith from our allies, that's a message that can win on the democratic side. >> what are the chances that nancy pelosi is reelected at this point again, early, speaker of the house, based on everything you know, and mitch mcconnell is the majority leader in 2021. >> first of all, i don't think mitch mcconnell is vulnerable in kentucky. amy mcgrath lost a district in 2018, now she's running statewide in a state voted by trump. republicans are narrow favorites to hold the senate majority.
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key states in my opinion are going to be north carolina, maine, michigan, and georgia. if democrats don't pick up arizona and colorado, they have no chance. in the house, i like nancy pelosi's odds of keeping the speaker gavel. you have republicans needing to pick up 18 seats for a majority. there are 30 democrats in trump districts. 29 of whom voted for impeachment. democrats are likely to pick up a few retirement open seats. that pads their majority. i think republicans may get halfway there, not to 18. >> closing out election day, you have former friends and senate colleagues running today. add pete buttigieg to that group as well. what are you looking at? >> they're tired, they'll all get a second wind. we won't know who the democratic nominee is until well after super tuesday. i don't think we'll have a brokered convention. >> all right. dave, thank you so much. >> love having you. >> thank you all, everybody.
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>> we will have it all tomorrow morning. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now. hi there, i am stephanie ruhle. it is on. february 11 primary day in new hampshire. i am in manchester, the biggest city in the biggest county in this critical state. the polls are officially open or about to open across the state, and we are expecting record turnout in this super tight race. the latest numbers show, are you ready for this, only half the likely democratic primary voters are dead set on a candidate. that's helped fuel a surge


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