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♪ good afternoon. i'm katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. here in las vegas and 2:00 p.m. out east. first, here is what's happening in las vegas where i am. as democrats make their last-minute case to nevada caucus gore caucusgoers, the president is holding a rally down the road in just an hour. now for the bigger picture, yesterday the pushed aside his acting director of national intelligence, joseph mcguire, because he was angry over an intelligence briefing. according to sources speaking with ken dilanian, andrea mitchell and i, it was a warning about speaking about undermining the election.
we've confirmed the president was furious that the security czar told lawmakers that russians had exhibited a preference for donald trump and was trying to help him in 2020. but one current official tell us that peerson overstated the intelligence and when pressed by bipartisan lawmakers to show the evidence, she could not. regardless, the result was that the president got so angry he fired his acting dni and replaced him with a loyalist, somebody who intelligence officials worry will not be a good faith interpreter or messenger of the intelligence the american government gathers. joining me now to break down this big story, nbc news intelligence and national security correspondent ken dilanian, and ned price. ken, first to you. the underlying or the bottom line here is two things.
one, donald trump replaced somebody who people trusted with a loyalist who people do not trust. and two, that russian is still trying to interfere, still trying to undercut america's faith in our systems and our elections. >> i think you're right. as you reported, there's now sort of less clarity about exactly what was said in that briefing, a dispute about how strong the intelligence is, whether or not the u.s. has firmly concluded that russia is trying to help trump. but nonetheless, whether it was a good or bad briefing, we've never seen before an intelligence get pushed out of a job because of a briefing to congress that the president didn't like. that is unprecedented, alarming, sending shock waves across the entire intelligence community. the first job, only job really is to speak truth to power, give unvarnished briefings and views on the accurate state of the intelligence and the threats facing this country. that's exactly what shelby
pierson, the election security czar, was trying to do last week when she briefed the house committee on threats. she did tell them in her view russia it picked a side, was preferring donald trump in the election, and she was asked and grilled about whether there was intelligence to support that. i think there's a dispute about whether this is. nonetheless, when president trump heard this, he was furious. he's out of a job and trump has brought in a loyalist with no experience. and also the principle deputy, this is getting lost, andrew hallman is also gone. the dni has been decapcated of career officials and trump is bringing in people with no experience. that is scaring a lot of my sources in the intelligence community. >> ned price, what's your reaction? >> i think overall katy, what has become clear is that donald
trump doesn't want a dni. he does not want someone to fulfill the statutory functions of the dni, to be his presence approximately adviser and over see the national intelligence program. he wants a bill barr for the intelligence community. someone who will protect and even prize donald trump's personal, political interests, even when those come into conflict with the national interests and with our national security. and i think impeachment for him delivered a lesson, but it wasn't the lesson that i think many of us wanted him to interpret and perhaps even some republicans senators initially wanted him to interpret. rather, donald trump learned from impeachment, he learned from some of his previous run-ins with his intelligence chief, that he needs someone atop the 17 defendants and agencies of our intelligence community who will cover up bad news, who will be there to quash it before it comes out. and i think to him the
whistle-blower complaints that i think we need to remember originated with the intelligence community is something he does not want to relive again. in someone like rick grenell and the person whom trump nominates to be the permanent director of national intelligence, which we're told to expect in the coming days and weeks, i think he will find that, someone loyal to donald trump even when that clashes with that individual's duty and responsibility to the constitution. >> i've been talking to a senior administration official who is frustrated with the president, the administration, frustrated with congress, frustrated with reco reporters, about how this is being reported. and what they feel is getting lost in the mix is that russia has been interfering for a long time, will continue. it's not about choosing a horse in the race. it's about sewing distrust in the system and pitting the
horses against each other. the goal here is to undermine, that donald trump was only a means to an end, and the fear is that reporting like this and leaks like this only serve to make it so that the public has less trust in our institutions. >> i would tend to agree. i think the lead surprising element of this story is the notion that the russians are back in 2020. in many ways they never left since 2016. we have heard these warnings consistently from top intelligence and law enforcement officials, much to president trump's chag rin, that the russians would be back. that's just what we're learning. what is new is the allegation at least that they are interfering on the part of president trump. but it is not that the russians are republicans. it is that just as you said, the russians may well see president trump once again as the best conduit to achieve their strategic goals, their strategic goals in two senses, one in the sense of the bilateral
relationship, if they see president trump as the candidate, contender who will secure what they want on the world stage, who will continue this sense of bon ami, this alliance with putin. but perhaps importantly, a strategic view, the russians want to do to the international order. it may be true once again they see president trump as the individual who will most upset the apple cart, who will leave america absent from the world, and who will leave a vacuum on the international order as i think president trump has done that moscow will be all too happy to fill. >> joining us now also nbc flues political reporter monica alba. i know you're talking to supporters out there. and does this news, this russian getting involved, interfering again, does that punch through? or when they hear that, do they just hear the president's
talking points on it? >> the two schools of thought, we talked to some earlier today, some of them did dismiss it. others said if this is what is happening, it doesn't matter as much and we're going to play for you a little bit of sound. as you know so well, katy, nothing gets under the president's skin quite as much as people questioning the legitimacy of his presidency, raising questions about what role russian may have played in getting him into office. take a listen to a couple of supporters about how that plays into 2020 now. >> do you think russia is attempting to interfere again in the 2020 election? >> i think they are, but i'm pretty sure that trump is going to win by a landslide so it doesn't matter. >> i think it's fake news. the democrats fall for it. i don't know one person that voted for trump because of russian influence. >> so you see, some of these voters have saying even if
russia is attempting, it won't matter, they feel confident in the president's re-election. and we're hearing for the third back-to-back rally he's heard this week out here on the west coast really trying to just stomp on the democratic message ahead of the caucuses here just hours away, this will be his last event before he heads back to washington. and we're going to see it again next week in south carolina. katy, the came kind of programming strategy. >> monica alba, fighting the music there at the trump rally. he likes to play it at 110 decibels. i hope that you are wearing earplugs. enough of that you will totally ruin your hearing. >> thank you all for your reporting and analysis. let's bring in john ralston and johnathan allen and reset. talk about what we're seeing in nevada and what we can expect tomorrow with the democrats. they are going out making their last-minute case. but john, so many voters here
have caucused, made their decisions, regardless of this last-minute pitch, regardless of what happens on the debate stage. >> right, 77,000 of them locked in. all of these campaigns are doing everything they can to get those last caucusgoers out, trying to get people energized. we've seen with various campaigns the ability and inability to do that. bernie sanders good at ramping up at the end of a campaign. we saw that in 2016. he's been doing that again, not outperforming but performing towards the kind of numbers he wants. pete buttigieg good at outpolling. are joe biden and elizabeth warren be able to get people out at the end? and will the debate have any effect? >> john, what are you watching on the big eve of the day? >> you alluded to the biggest question out there, which is what the turnout is going to be tomorrow, katy. if you have almost the same
turnout in early voting that you had in 2016, the real question is did that cannibalize the turnout for tomorrow? because people don't like caucuses, because they saw the iowa disaster, because people are used to voting early here in regular elections, 60, 70% of the people vote early. but based on the debate are the campaigns able to get newly-energized folks to go and caucus tomorrow? is it going to be 10,000? 50,000? it's difficult to tell. i think with so. people having caucuses -- or early voted before the debate and with bernie sanders having the best organization here, i still think he has to be a pretty prohibitive favorite to win. >> john, what does it mean that the president is holding a rally here? this is the third rally that he's held on basically the eve before the democrats go and vote? he did it in iowa, in new
hampshire the night before, he's doing dit here in nevada. >> i'm sorry, which john? >> john raulston. sorry. >> there are two johns. i was confused. sorry. i think that -- >> in vegas. >> there you go. i think that the republicans here who decided not to have a caucus. they canceled it, now want to make sure they can rev up the troops and maybe trump can say a bunch of things today at that rally, katy, to affect the caucus result. can you imagine if he were to say to the thousands of people showing up for that rally showing up, if you want to help me, go out tomorrow and caucus for bernie. i don't think he's be that explicit. but with trump you just never know. >> he's been relatively explicit pf. in new hampshire he said go out and primary for who you think
the weakest candidate is. >> he doesn't have to be explicit. people get the message. i think what's more interesting and important, iowa, new hampshire and nevada, these are all traditionally competitive states in general elections. the president is taking advantage of the facts that the democrats have decided to hold three of their first four early votes that are competitive to get out and fry to make his pitch. nevada came down to about 30,000 votes out of a million cast last time. this is a state totally in play. the president believes the good economy will play well. >> remind him a primary leads to a general election. so far he will be in that. jonathan allen and jon ralston, thanks. political watchers are already throwing around two loaded words, contested convention. bernie sanders campaign manager joins me next.
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should the person with the most delegates at the end of this primary season be the nominee even if they are short of a majority? >> the rules. >> the democratic party are, they should be followed, and if they have a process which i believe they do so that everybody can -- >> do you want the convention to work its will? >> yes. >> senator warren? >> a con vechks working its will means the dal gats are pledged to them and -- >> to the leading person? >> all of the people. >> vice president biden. >> play by the rules. >> yes or no? >> no, let the process work its way out. >> mayor buttigieg?
>> not necessarily. >> senator klobuchar? >> let the process work. >> senator sanders? >> the process clues 500 super delegates on the second ballot. i think the will of the people should prevail. >> okay. >> it was the last question of wednesday night's debate. the responses it provoked say a lot about the state of the democratic party. the democratic race, i should say. five candidates all with the exception of bernie sanders said they'd be open to a contested convention. according to reporting by "politico," one of those might be staking their entire bid on that. michael bloomberg is lobbying officials and donors allied with his opponents to flip their allegiance back to him and block bernie sanders in the event of a brokered national convention. joining me now campaign manager for bernie sanders. this seems like the worst possible case scenario, worst
nightmare for bernie sanders supporters and what they believe happened in 2016. >> we're on a path to do well in nevada. we have won iowa. we have won new hampshire. i think we will do well in south carolina. we will do well on super tuesday. there is no other plan except to win this nomination with the majority of the delegates. >> you don't want a plurality. you want to go in there as the clear winner? >> we believe we can get the majority of the delegates. >> is that why he's not here? >> we've got to win states on super tuesday, be a lot of places at once, california has a lot of delegates. >> what do you make of the reporting that bloomberg is taking his campaign? >> why do we want the delegates to drm who wins? we all run around and do these events, ask them to vote here in nevada, california, and then tell them, your vote didn't matter? yeah, i know you voted and got the most delegates but we're going to overturn the will of the people? is that bloomberg?
it's consistent. he's saying i don't want to go campaign. i'm not going to hold town hall events. i'm going to spend some money and buy this. >> his campaign would say that they are the ones that are best capable of going after donald trump in the general election because they have the data team behind them, they have the money behind him, and they can bring him down. what they're doing, if there is only a plurality, they're trying to enact the broader will of the party, they want anybody but donald trump? >> they would get crushed by donald trump, the reason is because you have a candidate who hasn't been vetted. his record is not well understood. did you know he is opposed to raising the minimum wage, a billionaire. advocating for cuts to social security, medicare and medicate. a billionaire who wants employees stopped and frisked in his community to ailennate. >> he apologized for that. >> he stood at the republican
national convention for george w. bush saying he is a wonderful person on war and terror. he has been instrumental on helping republicans control the senate. he helped campaign through $11.7 million? >> what do you say to democrats who are more worried who's policies they might half agree with? >> i don't think they half agree with them. you have to have a huge turnout to beat donald trump. it has to set records. and you think bloomberg is going to be able to to do that? how? what excitement is he going to generate? what about his record have you ever heard that gets you -- >> do you need from bernie sanders' supporters to prove that you have the sort of turnout you need to find the new voters to overcome trump's rock hard support in places like michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania? >> we've had record turnout of young people in iowa, in new hampshire, among independents
and people who don't consider themselves partisans. and then here in nevada in the early vote -- >> that turnout were not as high? >> it was record breaking in new hampshire. literally. i hear this complaint all the time. what more do you want? here in nevada you had a record-breaking turnout. already in the early vote period you have as many people voted last time as in the caucus in nevada. and when the party told us yesterday -- >> the represest of them are goo vote -- >> more than half have who voted early never caucused before. that's amazing. >> pennsylvania, there is new reporting out there from the lieutenant who say if you support fracking, banning fracking in pennsylvania, you're basically ceding pennsylvania to donald trump. the margins are so small if you don't get the people who support fracking and the jobs affiliated with that, you're going to lose
the state. is bernie sanders going to reconsider his ban on fracking for that state? >> why do we want a ban on fracking? why would bernie sanders advocate for that? the planet is in peril. climate change is wrecking havoc. can you imagine our kids growing up in which rising sea levels, greater -- >> what does it mean if you're in pennsylvania and not winning the presidency? >> we're fighting for the planet. >> i get that. losing pennsylvania and not winning the presidency and not being able to enact any of the other environment policies that you advocate and the president does not. >> it is our job to convince and persuade people of the importance of acting aggressively on climate change. if we cannot do that, we should lose. because the case is so severe and we have to act, we have to make this case and we can make a transition plan so that people have jobs. there are 20 million new jobs that could be created if you employ energy efficiency on the
scale we're talking about, invest federal resources into building a whole bunch of wind farms and solar pands. >> are you going to go to pennsylvania and say here are the jobs we can provide? >> absolutely. rural broadband, infrastructure, we've got to do a whole bunch -- water systems all over this country. there are jobs to go around. >> faz shackir, thanks. >> thanks to you. >> good luck tomorrow. and reverend al sharpton just sat down with michael bloomberg. you can see the interview throughout the weekend and on "politicsnation" with reverend sharpton. democratic governor joining me here in vegas. and i wanted to know what the millennial voters are thinking about in november, so i laced up and hit a local roller be derby track. vo: a great president and an effective mayor.
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bernie sanders to lose. he's leading the field. but as a reporter at slate puts it, nevada's culinary union is not just a labor organization. it's the engine of the infrastructure. while they have not endorsed a candidate, they might despite the candidate's fate. i spoke to some of the members while they were phone banking last night. >> there's a lot of people that are for bernie. we don't tell them who or who not to vote for in this election. he has a difference of opinion on how he is, but we have things that we have talkfought for ovee years and we have to protect. >> health care. >> and it's very important. >> you want to get rid of trump. what's the reason? >> well, trump's antiunion for one, and being in an at-will state, a union is very important. and our health care is very important. and that's what we, you know, we
fought for a long time over. >> joining me now here in las vegas is nbc news correspondent mike memoli and from santa ana, shaquille brewster. there was a fly flyer that warned about taking away health care coverage if they voted for medicare for all. that did not imply voters were getting an endorsement for joe biden. how much do they want that endorsement? how much were they counting on that endorsement? how much does it matter to them? >> there's an awful lot of investment on time on the part of joe biden in this week trying to receive that or work it at a grassroots level. we haven't seen him do this publicly. but biden has been spending the last few days going on the back of the house places where the
culinary union goes. he said at one event this week, in their heart i know the union is with us. that's the gamble. this whole nevada strategy is a gamble for the biden campaign. i think all the campaigns would admit, of the four early states, this is the least predictable. nevada hasn't had this early role in the way the other three early states have. but the biden team has put a lot of time and northerly heenergy . they need that to carry him forward. >> shaq, how much has the bernie sanders been focusing on union voters here? anything like what joe biden has been doing? >> yeah, they've been going to the town hall. i was covering that back in december. when you saw others back in back in consecutive days, they had town halls. there is support among culinary
union members for senator bernie sanders. the issue is, there is also a lot of frustration and a lot of confusion about his medicare for all and a lot of opposition to that policy. that's something that he's had to contend with in the state of nevada. the campaign has been trying to push. he'll say he has support from unions all over the country. he'll list them. he's been on more union picket lines than any other candidate combined. i don't know if there's a way to measure that. he's sensitive to the idea he doesn't have support among union members despite medicare for all and the issues many union leaders have. >> mike memoli and shaquille brewster, out in california which would say something about the sanders' campaign. governor here with us, what are voters here looking for? >> welcome to nevada, las vegas, what happens here only happens here. las vegas is separate.
voters are very engaged here. i've had the opportunity over the four days of early caucus to probably visit ten or 12 sites both in las vegas and in reno. they're concerned about issues that folks, kitchen table issues, is the economy reaching every table? they're concerned about gun issues, education. i think you saw a lot of that come out in the debate. >> all of those issues seemed to -- this is in some ways ground zero with the horrible shooting the other year down the street from here. one of the hottest cities in america. you have health care top of mind at least the culinary union, and sciu said they supported him? >> health care is an extremely important issue in nevada for organized labor. they sacrificed to get their health care and don't want to lose that. at the same time environment issues are important to us. reno and las vegas are two of the fastest warming cities that
we have. we've done things in this area in nevada with a democratic legislature, ended surprised billing, codified protection for pre-existing conditions, increased women's rights to health care. we've done some of those things. they wanted to expand on a national level. >> why do you think 77,000 people caucused early? because they didn't want to spend their saturday caucustion or is there more to it? >> a little bit more. a lot of them can't spend saturday caucusing. some national guards said they appreciate it because they're on duty on saturday night. a lot of people had family issues. it's tough to go for a couple of hours on a saturday afternoon and caucus. it's more convenient, not quite as confrontational as the caucus. it's extremely important. the diverse population, the african-american, latin x, asian pacific, extremely more important than in new hampshire and iowa. >> the polling, it's hard to
poll in nevada, but anecdotally, bernie sanders seems to have a lot of support here and could be the winner here. we won't know until tomorrow. how do you expect joe biden to do? >> i expect them all have to a very spirited race. >> you've endorsed biden? >> no, no, i have not endorsed anybody. >> let me apologize. my notes had you endorsing him and i am sorry. >> that's okay. people, depending on the caucus you go to, when i went to unr, there were an awful lot of sanders supporters lined up. when i went to the party office it was a lot of biten and warren. it depends on the demographic. i don't know what to expect. i wouldn't put a lot of faith into the polls. it's going to be a matter of who turns out their voters and supporters. >> is this state at risk of becoming red in 2020 in november? >> no, no. >> why? >> we've got a democratic legislature almost a super majority.
i was the first democratic governor elected in 20 years. people like what we accomplished in carson city. and i'm confident that the democratic party who is exceptionally well organized, thousands and thousands of volunteers getti ready for this caucus, i'm confident we'll keep it blue in november. >> thank you very much. just to be clear you have not endorsed anybody. i don't want to put that out there. >> thank you, pleasure. a programming note, our special coverage of the nevada caucus hosted by brian williams, joy reed, nicolle wallace and steve kornacki starts 2:00 p.m. eastern right here on nbc. coming up all of the candidates on the debate stage say climate change is a top priority. see how plans score with environmentalists. next, checking in with nevada voters in a place you don't normally see on the campaign trail, a local roller derby league. i only fell that once, i
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♪ millennial voters in nevada are a force to be reckoned with. there are over 265,000 active voters in nevada between the ages of 25 and 34, making them one of the most influential voting blocks in the state, that is if they turn out. yesterday i went to west flamingo park here in las vegas to catch up with a group from a local roller derby league. while they taut me how to skate, i asked them about tomorrow's caucus and the candidates. >> the monthmo, that's your derby name, short for -- >> monthco motive. >> buffy the vampire slayer. >> are you going to begin me a name or pick one for myself? >> you aren't eligible.
>> are you going to caucus on saturday? >> i think you don't live in nevada if you don't get a text message from somebody asking you that. ou bernie. >> second choice? >> pete buttigieg. >> bernie to pete buttigieg. >> it's kind of a -- >> over warren? >> i know. >> why? >> to be honest, i think she's a little too far left, and people -- >> farther left than bernie? >> i know it sounds crazy. in the sense that i think bernie is a more relatable candidate for a lot of folks, but warren has some really great ideas, i just don't think she'll be able to push as much through. >> i can sort of skate. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> terribly -- oh. how do i stop? >> my family is old school democrats, so ours is hey, look at the record. >> is it safe to say you're
going to caucus for biden? >> it's safe to say my nana would nevery much like if i caucused for biden. it is the strongest thing i would go towards. >> i'm so far ahead of you. >> they're coming for you. >> so you're not going to participate? >> no, not on saturday. >> are you going to participate in november. >> yes. >> why did you decide that? >> i think it's important especially as a 22-year-old female i am the future of america, so i think it's important that i know what i'm doing and don't mess up my children's lives, my grandchildren's lives. >> what is it about bernie? ? >> i feel like everyone running right now knot -- in the caucus is running on his platform. >> he's the real deal? >> yes. >> let me ask you this, a fight in the convention for delegates. even though he comes in with the most delegates he doesn't get
the phenomnation. would that make you so mad you wouldn't vote? >> i think so because it happened in 2016 where a lot of people felt like left out and like he should have won then. >> so it's better so you have donald trump president for four more years? >> no. i don't think that, but i just really believe in him. >> you're into bernie. >> yeah. he's been my guy since i found out about him, and i just can't shake that. >> who are you going to caucus for? >> i don't actually know. i don't know. there are so many candidates right now on the democrat side. >> so probably. that means you could be walking into the caucus site and making your decision zblothere? >> yeah. >> you're one of the people that can be convinced there? >> not technically. on both sides people are very passionate is going to be the safe word. i'm not swayed by their passion.
>> thankfully i did only fall that once and at the end i did get my own derby nickname, katy the turibl as in i'm turible at skating. harvey weinstein update, joining me now ron allen outside the courthouse. there's a note from the jury? >> yes. it's a very important note from the jury that says that they are hung on two of the five counts that harvey weinstein faces, that also means that they have perhaps reached unanimous decisions in three others. it's a bit complicated here. essentially this means that they have perhaps found him guilty of one of the two assaults that he is charged with. the actress jessica man on the production assistant. the first and third counts have to do with yet another case involving an actress, annabella
skiera, who is that is an extenuating circumstance, an addition al count that would enhance the initial charges against the other two in the other two cases. it's a little con feudsing. the bottom-line is that by saying they are hung on counts one and three, this means that we can readably believe that the jury has found him gymty of one of those other charges because they would not be considering the extenuating case if they hadn't found him guilty of one of the others. the deliberations continue now. we believe court will end around 3:00 today. that may change because they appear to be close to a final decision. >> ron allen, we will be watching and paying attention. thank you. climate change is a make-or-break issue for voters heading to the ballot box and nevada is home to two of the fastest heating cities in the u.s. a look at how the candidates measure up on the environment
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it is the existential threat humanity faces, global warming. >> if you're president, rejoin the paris agreement. >> i'm going do say something that's controversial in washington but i think i'm safe to say this here in nevada. i believe in science. >> joe said it right. this is an existential threat. >> this is a crisis. and a lot of our plans are very similar to get to carbon neutral. >> if we don't elect a president who believes in climate science
now we will never meet any of the other scientific or policy deadlines we need to. >> during this week's cdemocratc debate they agreed that climate change is important and this score card paints a different picture. there's ten critical actions to protect the climate, all of the candidates are at one point for wanting to end new fossil fuels, leasing on federal lands ending and most scored poorly not supporting a ban on fracking or ending fossil fuel exports. only bernie sanders scored a perfect ten out of ten. joining me here in las vegas, the chief political strategist from the center for biological diversity action fund and from reno climate journalist and editor in chief of drill news. bret, i want to skatart with yo. 10 out of 10 for bernie sanders.
1 out of 10 for michael bloomberg. they all talk a big game on the climate. are you basically saying that if it's not bernie sanders or elizabeth warren who scored 8 out of 10 that we're gong dobb in trouble? >> yes. we need the next president to take bold action on day one. as actually senator warren said, we need to follow the science and the global consensus is that we have to slash emissions by 50% by 2030 if we have any chance of keeping global warming below 1.5 degrees celsius and we need to see executive action by the next president immediately because, frankly, the senate is not likely to do anything with mcconnell and the president has extraordinary powers if they're fully utilized to address the crisis. >> what is the message to a voter putting the environment as a top priority? there's a pugh poll showing for the first time ever voters say most concerned about the environment, same number of voters for the environment as
the economy. it splitds down democratic and republicans. but that is a big number. who should they vote for if they're concerned of turning things around immediately? >> i think there's still time to have all the candidates improve the score so we're not making an endorsement but we think every candidate can improve the plans and i think the question really has to be what do you hope to accomplish in one or two terms? one of the most disappointing parts of the debate when both pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar said we have similar plans getting to net zero by by 2050 but we need to see what has to happen in the next ten years. >> amy, you were watching the debate. this is an issue that you cover as a journalist. you have done a lot of reporting on it. when you look at the candidates and hear the messages, how do you interpret it? >> i mean, i think that actually strangely pete buttigieg said that the thing that resonated most with me in the debate
despite the fact that the policy doesn't back it up which is that 2050 is the wrong deadline and so's 2030. the real deadline is 2020. these guys need to be thinking about what they do now on day one to actually make substantive change. >> what needs to be done in terms of fracking? i was just -- i had the bernie sanders campaign manager on and there's concern in pennsylvania that if you support a ban on fracking that you will lose that state. are there areas that you can compromise on or that candidates should promise on -- i'll go to bret first on this, amy, and then to you. in order to win the presidency? >> that's a question for the candidates. >> it is hard. >> if you look at the science and if we really want the follow the science, we have to slash emissions by 50%. and dealing with fracking which is really the number one methods that's being used to expand
fossil fuel drilling everywhere in this country, like 90% of the drilling and think about what donald trump has done in terms of massively expanding the amount of leasing and drilling happening on public lands and elsewhere, it's -- we can't do the math if you don't deal with fracking but i would say the good news is that there are other technologies and innovation and we need to transition to that renewable energy economy and create jobs. >> there are the jobs out there. amy, what do you think? >> yeah. i totally agree. there was a new study out just this week that, you know, we have underestimated the impact of fracking emissions, particularly methane emissions on climate change and the good news about that is if we do something about natural gas then we could have a much bigger impact on cushing emissions more quickly. there's been a lot said about how fracking ban plays in states like pennsylvania and ohio where fracking is big. but i also think that it's been a little bit overblown.
you are not really seeing a huge pushback against that in those states, especially when candidates talk about the jobs that would come from a renewable energy transition an you are also not hearing any of the candidates saying that a ban would mean stopping fracking overnight. that it would be a gradual transition. >> that's a good point. amy and bret, guys, thank you very much. that will do it for me this hour. from las vegas. my friend ali velshi picks things up here in vegas after a very quick break. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. i love you! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
i'm ali velshi in las vegas. we have breaking news in new york city. the judge in the harvey weinstein sent jurors back in to deliberation. they had come out and asked if they could be hung on two counts. the judge told them any verdict must be unanimous. joining me now, attorney and legal analyst lisa green author of "on your case." lisa, tell me what you know of what's developed and what it means to you. >> yeah, really extraordinary development. the jury came back after a week of deliberations. they said they're hung, unable to reach agreement on predatory sexual assault, counts that could send harvey weinstein to prison for the rest of his life. they asked the judge if they could deliver essentially a hybrid verdict, agreeing on some counts,