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hi, everyone. hope you're all hanging in there. it's 4:00 in the east. we're watching the breaking news out of the united kingdom where prime minister boris johnson is in intensive care, hospitalized and fighting coronavirus. his condition is worsening according to spokesman at 10 downing street. we'll get to london for a live report on that in just a few minutes. but here in the u.s., acacophony of warnings about what they're predicting what will be the worst week of coronavirus in the u.s. the surgeon general warning americans to brace for, quote, our pearl harbor this moment. as doctors fauci and birx ramp up their warnings saying that this country doesn't have the pandemic under control and we have to do even more to slow the spread. >> this is the moment to not be
going to the grocery store, not going to the pharmacy. >> things are going to get bad. we need to be prepared for that. it's certainly really disturbing to see that but that's what's going to happen before it turns around. i will not say we have it under control. that would be a false statement. >> those dire warnings delivered as a fight between donald trump and the scientists spilled into public view. a major confrontation this weekend within the white house coronavirus task force over an unproven potential coronavirus drug treatment, axios describing a clash like never before seen since the task force was assembled. one in which dr. anthony fauci was firm in his view that much more data and research is needed before the drug under consideration can be considered for effective treatment in this
pandemic. that clash was saturday. yet, by sunday, donald trump stood before the american people and basically prescribed the drug to the hundreds of thousands of americans now facing the virus. >> the other thing we bought a tremendous amount of is the hydroxychloroquine, a powerful dr drug, there are signs that it works on this. very strong signs. i just think it's something, i have used the expression, what do you have to lose? what do you have to lose? and a lot of people are saying that when -- and are taking it, if you're a doctor, a nurse, a first responder, a medical person going into hospitals, they say taking it before the fact is good. but what do you have to lose? they say take it. you have to go through your medical people. get the approval.
but i've seen things that i sort of like. what do i know? i'm not a doctor. i'm not a doctor but i have common sense. >> you could have stopped at what do i know? we played that for an important reason to underscore the urgent need of fact-checking. the warnings are now pouring in from actual experts, doctors, who say we don't know enough about that drug to just take it. what do you have to lose? the president of the american medical association this weekend warns simply, you could lose your life. dr. anthony fauci in comments over the weekend publicly urged extreme caution over any suggestion this medication should be used to treat or prevent coronavirus at this time. >> the data are really just at best suggestive, there have been cases that there may be an
effect and others that show there's no effect. in terms of science, i don't think we can definitively say, granted there's a suggestion that there's a benefit there i think we've got to be careful that we don't make that majestic leap to assume that this is a knockout drug. >> the clash between donald trump and his own experts comes as the toll on that the pandemic has taken becomes almost impossible to comprehend. almost 350,000 cases are confirmed in the united states, more than the totals in spain and italy combined. the death toll in the united states surpassing 10,000. new york is still the u.s. epicenter of the virus, accounting for nearly half of those deaths. and there's new reporting in "the new york times" that warns the official count understates the true u.s. toll. times reporting this, quote, with no uniform system for reporting coronavirus-related deaths in the united states and
a continued shortage of tests, some states and counties have improvised, obfuscated and at times back tracked in counting the dead. the president at odds with his top docs and the undercount of the scale of the pandemic is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. dr. kavit patel who worked on the h1n1 joins us. but eli stockle and bill neely is here with the latest on boris johnson. tell me what happened for them to move boris johnson from the hospital into intensive care unit this evening. >> yeah, so here's what we know, this was day 11 of boris johnson having the coronavirus at the
beginning he said he had mild symptoms, he said that he had a temperature, around 7:00, that's two hours ago he was moved according to downing street into the intensive care unit of the hospital which is just across the river from westminster and from downing street, now in intensive care we don't know whether he's on a ventilator, but downing street sources are suggesting that within the last few minutes that boris johnson is conscious and he has been moved into an intensive care so he can go on a ventilator if his condition worsens further. they say his condition worsened this afternoon. no longer saying his symptoms are mild. they say he has a cough and he has a fever and one very worrying statistic there was a report just published a short
time ago which was into 690 coronavirus patients in britain who had been moved to intensive care, the frightening figure for boris johnson and everyone else, 50% of those patients were moved into icu died. so there's real concern tonight about boris johnson, he has no underlying health conditions, although for many years by his own admission he has been overweight and we also know that if you're overweight and you're in the icu that doesn't necessarily help your chances in there but boris johnson was last seen on thursday of last week applauding at the door of downing street the healthcare workers who are now and i don't put this in an alarmist way, he's in icu who are now trying
to save his life. >> bill, if you can stay with us. i want to bring dr. patel now. what would be going on that they would make this extraordinary move, is it out precaution or is there real concern about his condition? >> it's probably both, nicolle. certainly, any pa patient and he's fitting the statisticses that we know that there's kind of two presentations and one typically is around day ten or 11 of this illness they significantly worsen it's likely he's overwhelming a routine hospital floor can do, his oxygen requirement is increasing, you can be conscious and be intubated that's in fact possible and it's also highly likely that he needs other supportive care including support for his other organs
that we also see in covid-19. this is absolutely what new yorkers are seeing, the rest of us in the united states and that's why tony fauci said we can't let up. we must persist and get even more aggressive against this virus. >> dr. patel, can you weigh in on what bill referenced as his only complicating factor that we know of, his weight, or being overweight? >> we do know certainly from other countries, spain, european countries where they did look at people's weight that weight itself, being overweight, being obese can certainly be a complicating factor, much like having another chronic condition, we don't have enough data in the united states to understand how much more that puts us at risk, it's certainly true that he has two things, nicolle, we do know that there's
a higher mortality rate in older people and certainly we also know that having overweight or obesity is another risk factor. so, all said and done i think that what's happening to the prime minister is just a reflection of how much this virus has zero barriers for titles, sex, ethnicity, race, et cetera. >> and age. bill, one more question for you. my question is this, the uk was slow to lock down the country, it's locked down now, but what's the mood there, how rattled are people at this breaking news about boris johnson being in the icu? >> oh, i mean, i think when the head of government, the prime minister, the man two was leading the fight against the
coronavirus is laid so low i think it's shaken people certainly on my social media feed. lot of political correspondents are generuinely shocked it happened like this. as dr. patel said it's fairly well-known trend that on day ten or day 11, coronavirus patients sometimes do take a turn for the worse, the hospital that he's in i would have to say st. thomas' hospital in london is one of the best in the uk, so i certainly i think he'll get the best of care but, yes, going back to your initial point rg he was slow off the mark, he did continue to shake hands with people, even people who had coronavirus, he was slow to close schools, slow to impose a lockdown and i think
many of those around him, his chief adviser, the health secreta secretary, either did test positive for coronavirus or have some of the symptoms, so even those around him, including his fiancee are suffering or have suffered as well, nicolle. >> bill neely, if you learn anything new we know where to find you. thank you so much for spending some time with us. dr. patel, let me come back to you on the other health headlines. a staggering toll of cases in this country and i noticed a complete change both in the substance and the tone from dr. birx last night. she said don't go to the grocery store, don't go to the pharmacy, i think the message absoluunles absolutely you need to. staying home is all we can do.
>> yeah, absolutely. you're probably asking what we all, what is that they saw finally we have been talking about for months now? i think it's the fact that they're getting statistics back from cities across the country, not just new york, not just the california area, all parts of america, even though places with miles of miles of lands showing some very disturbing trends. they're setting the tone. the next couple of weeks are going to be incredibly grim. we're talking about 1,000 deaths or more at pace, that's finally what they're realizing. >> eli, i don't like to ask questions that we all know the answers to so i don't mean in that spirit, but you got more than 9,000 americans who have lost their lives and a whole lot
more than sick and i'd say every american scared and donald trump's briefing, at least the one saturday night he was talking about, quote, suing the ass off the whistle-blower, he was calling the inspector general for the intelligence community a disgrace and he's now it's spilled out he's in open war with doctors fauci and birx about prescribing a drug that hasn't been researched and proven as therapeutic for covid-19. is there anything or anyone that can tell him to pump the brakes or at least pretend to care about the loss of life and the real trauma that his country is experiencing? >> well, look, the people around him the people in the white house who took to him have urged him to do that and will continue to urge him to do that.
hope hicks have urged him to tone it down to express more empathy and concern. this boris johnson may be one of those things that breaks through to the president and breaks beyond that sort of outward-facing toughness and resolve he likes to show. he described boris johnson as very strong. he also after learning about a friend of his going into the hospital in new york with very serious symptoms and seeing images in new york he came out and started to reflect on how serious this was. it was temporary but we could see more of that from the president when he comes out to talk tonight. this is a president who regardless of the day or the news or the message he feeds to be front and center at these briefings. yesterday there was no briefing scheduled on sunday afternoon and then they added one because the president demanded it. when he came out to the podium
it was obvious there wasn't anything new that the president had to say, there were more interactions where he's going after
reporters and attacking them for asking le rit jit mat questions. he stood in front of dr. fauci and wouldn't answer the question on high drydroxychloroquinehydr. with that, you know, obviously the president doesn't like these questions about the response, about what's happened, why there was a shortage of testing when we needed tests. why now there's a shortage of ventilators. we need ventilators now not in three months. he doesn't want those questions and you can see him setting up this hydroxychloroquine thing, should we do it or should we not do it? he knows the death toll is going to be unimaginably high at some
point he'll look back and say, well, if only we had done this, he's not worried about people taking this without medical advice with very serious and fatal consequences he's selling this optimism around this drug because the government, the federal government, his administration have been slow to react for months now. he wants there desperately to be a panacea and he's selling that idea to the public. >> dr. patel, let me play the moment that eli just described pretty vividly of the president interjecting and stopping dr. fauci from answering a question about this drug treatment. >> can you weigh in on this issue of hydroxychloroquine, what do you think about that -- >> how many times have you answered the question? >> he's a doctor he's your medical expert, correct? >> he answered that question 15 times.
>> dr. patel, it's startling, it's scary and it starts to look like something that everyone fears this briefings are not fact-based, not science-based but the donald trump show. >> nicolle, i don't know when it's going to be -- it couldn't be more obvious that this is an administration that certainly a president who has stifled the press in front of our very eyes muzzled science. i'm not sure -- i don't think we cracked the surface the depths this has and unfortunately these are real lives that are hanging in the balance. that's the sad part. >> well, dr. patel, for our viewers, what should people do? when you hear the president of the united states say, what do you have to lose and then hopefully as many people heard the head of the american medical association say, maybe your life, what is are the facts as
we know them right now about this drug therapy? what should people do? >> all right, here's what we know. we know this is actually
a very old drug, it's been mentioned used in malaria, actively used right now on patients that i have, that have lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, this is a drug that's being used under careful watch and only in certain circumstances it's only being investigated for potential treatments of covid-19 and only after you have a diagnosis, so anybody including myself we should not be taking this, the reason it could be fatal, there's a percentage of people in which this drug will actually change the electrical rhythm of their heart and it can cause a fatal, meaning deadly, heart pattern and that's what we know and calling your doctor, calling me and asking for it when you're not already under treatment for covid-19 is just a fool's errand
all around and what we should be doing is exactly what everybody is saying, stay at home, if you must go outside, use a nonmedical mask, wipe down your grocery basket, wash your hands and use sanitizer and that will actually keep us safe and that's what we do know. >> i'll let that be the last word from dr. kavita patel. when we come back -- blockbuster reporting from the washington post the 70 days that it took donald trump to recognize the severity of the coronavirus pandemic, 70 wasted days. our friend jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia joins us weigh in and senator al franken is here holding back very little as he takes on washington's response to the
washington post is out with an extensive look into the months that the white house squandered before it take serious enough action to fight the coronavirus outbreak. quote, the trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in china on january 3rd, within days u.s. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to trump by including a warning about the coronavirus -- the first of many -- in the president's daily brief. and yet, it took 70 days -- 70 days -- from that initial notification for trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or a harmless flu strain
well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked america's defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. joining us, former chief of staff at the cia, is jeremy bash. the lost month that will be part of the history of this tragedy, what do you make of the 70 days it took donald trump to react? >> well, nicolle, first of all, we're entering the scariest phase of this crisis, we're looking at peak levels of death and illness in new york city and major urban centers in the united states and first, i think it's important to say that our heart goes out to the citizens of the uk whose prime minister is despite any policy difference anyone may have with boris johnson he's the leader of one of our most strategic allies and american policymakers will need
to learn the name of dominic rabb, he's been charg meetings in the prime minister's absence. turning to the issue of the 70 days, unlike pearl harbor that the analogy that the surgeon general advanced that was a sneak attack and we didn't have a modern intelligence community, today we have a sprawling intelligence apparatus that has been warning about pandemics going back to the mid-20 mid-20. in 2008, it predicted a respiratory sarslike infection from china spreading around the world killing tens of thousands, millions including hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in the united states, so when president bush had that assessment, he warned about pandemics, when president obama saw that assessment he created the position of the ebolaczar he
created an office that president trump disband ed that office. with that we lost critical time and momentum. >> my friend, it's been way too long to be here. let's unpack everything. one, why can't donald trump do what you did at the beginning? just say our hearts go out to every, the family members who have succumbed to this. >> nicolle, it takes the forthrightness and optimism and the truthfulness like an address we saw over the weekend from queen elizabeth. what she did in four minutes she leveled with the people of the uk, all of its subjects and frankly the whole world who watched that address and she also gave them reason to hope.
she explained the dedication and the in novation and the bravery of our first responders and our healthcare workers but she made clear unless the people of britain, the people of the world, stayed home, followed the rules and took it with the severity of seriousness it required we won't be able to battle this disease. the president wants to warn that this serious but he wants to make everyone feel better. it's okay, it's going away, the economy is going to come roaring back. there's v-shaped recovery unless the medical aspect of this recovery gets under control. >> jeremy, what do you -- i guess i'm asking you to put your intel hat on, what's the president's inability to see us as part of this global community fighting this pandemic? he ignored intelligence that
came in as early as january based on that new washington post report it was abundantly that clear that happened in china could/would happen here if we didn't act quickly, i've been said inside an intelligence failure that was examined by bipartisan commission, what does that you could sort of put your finger on that makes donald trump immune to science, immune to facts even in the moment this pandemic is ripping through his country, killing his citizens, he's in a tv fight with anthony fauci about a malaria drug. >> and how tragically ironic that you have to have to ask that question just hours, just days after the president fired the inspector general, the key watchdog of the u.s. intelligence community.
and the reason that inspector general was fired was because he allowed a member of the intelligence community, a whistle-blower to speak the truth and, you know, engraved on the lobby wall of the cia in the original headquarters building is the quote from the new testament. you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. if you speak the truth and base your analysis on facts, good policy can follow. but of course if you're just interested in pursuing your own agenda and facts be damned you'll get a bad outcome. when we have wavered from the intelligence community's best judgment, their expertise we have pursued bad policies that have resulted in severely negative consequences for the united states and i think this really emanated, nicolle, from the beginning of the president's
tenure in office when the intelligence communities come to him, look, this is an uncomfortable reality that russia involved, and from that moment on, he was determined to undermine the u.s. intelligence community. >> so when you quote, when you read that quote that eens the wall of the cia i get a lump in my throat, both knowing a lot of former intelligence folks who were the first people in my world to tell me what was coming are way based on what they understood and were hearing from their contacts and sources, second what donald trump does to people who tell the truth, in the last 72 hours, he's fired michael atkinson, the watchdog over the entire intelligence community who simply corroborated found creditable a whistle-blower report. he also fired the captain of an
aircraft carrier who not only told the truth but did so to protect his sailors, we're not going in the direction with the quote that you just read us. >> that's right, nicolle. the skipper, the captain of the uss teddy roosevelt, an aircraft carrier, had an incredibly important responsibility he was responsible for the developing of the sailors on that warship. as you saw just there in the video when he disembarked the ship his team, his sailors, his marines onboard his ship were chanting his name because they appreciated the fact that he was saying i need my people protected and that's the first duty of a person in battle, a leader in battle, a naval office is to protect people under his
or her command. he did after many attempts writing a letter to the media, to relieve of his command, don't speak out in the government if coronavirus, if covid-19 is attacking your people, we don't want that bad news out there. so i think it was a very disappointing, incredibly disheartening and ultimately dangerous decision by our government to relieve him. you know, aircraft carrier's a pillar of our military readiness, at any one time we only have three, four at sea, it's critical those assets be protected. >> he's now in quarantine, he tested positive for coronavirus himself. we wish him well. can jeremy, thank you so much. it's wonderful to see your face, my friend. >> thank you.
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just a horrendous, horrendous shift. we have right now 20, i think 20, 21 ventilators running here in this emergency department. in the hospital, we have roughly 90 ventilators running. and we only have a few left to spare. another medical notification coming into the trauma bay right now. medical notification. we've been getting them back to back. most of them all respiratory related. people who can't breathe. people who are drowning in their own secretions.
some people didn't make it today. i guess that's just -- we did our best. that's all i can say. >> that was less than one minute in the life of an emergency physician ernie in what amounts to a war zone at the hospital in bronx. doctors fight for each life. his was one of countless stories out in the last 24 hours in the battle being fought by doctors on front line. this is a human toll behind the numbers and the grim warnings we're hearing from the white house on what could become the worst week on coronavirus in the united states yet. joining our conversation, former democratic candidate, host of the al franken podcast, al franken. >> those on the front lines
especially those in new york are -- are -- it's horrendous what they're experiencing, what they're doing and heroic as well and god bless them. they're putting themselves at risk and, you know, it's just tragic and part of the tragedy is that this could have been -- we were going to have a pandemic but not at this level if we had acted. and if the president had acted instead of those two months that you just talked about in your last segment, going by before the president acknowledged that there was a real problem and you know, sometimes people say, let's put that two months away but he still can't do his job. because he's going out there and having -- doing a reality show.
this guy really thinks the government is a reality show when the rest of america is dealing with this reality. and he continues to lie. he continues to -- he's self-congratulatory. he is -- you know, i'm not a psychiatrist and i'm haven't personally examined him but it's clear that he is, you know, a malignant narcissist or something of that order. he can't help but to do this and cite his ratings and tell governors they have to blow smoke up his butt to get their ventilators that's what he's doing. and this is sick. >> i want to ask you -- sorry. >> go ahead. >> i want to ask you about your
decision to be out there now, obviously your supporters i think have missed your blunt take on things. and i just wonder what's your finding being out in the public arena especially at a moment like this for our country? >> well, i've been doing this podcast for a while now, but i've been doing this, focusing aspects on the coronavirus, i h she's been on msnbc and cnn talking about -- >> she's amazing she's amazing and she was -- >> she just had a baby. she just had a baby girl. >> i interviewed her on her due date. >> i interviewed her the day after her due date. i got one more.
>> yes, okay, you got that on me. but what i'm fascinated with is fausi and birx. >> why? >> she speaks very eloquently as the role of the public health servant in that situation. she served the mayor who's now, sentenced to three years in prison and was kind of nutty, too, and she i talked to her about what -- what her role of -- what fauci and birx really have to do and the stakes are absolutely enormous a, i'm speaking out. i want to continue to make a contribution. >> i want to ask you, senator kamala harris said something that struck me, she said social
distancing doesn't mean emotional distancing we need to be connected more than ever, what are you doing? is that part of the podcast and having people like lena on, what's your advice of people through social distancing feeling isolated? >> well, if they can do it, you know, lot of people aren on zoo. i'm reaching out to people i haven't talked to in a while. my old college roommates. i'm fortunate that i'm sheltered in place. my wife and i, in our apartment, two blocks away from my daughter and her family. we have two grandchildren, that's a lifesaver for me. >> how are they doing? how the 3-year-old and 6-year-old doing? >> they're actually doing great. they are getting -- you know,
they go on zoom, for school, they also have watched all of sean the sheep which -- my 6-year-old grandson laughed so hard at this thing that now when he laughs he stands up because at first he would laugh so hard he'd fall off the couch so he stands up to prevent any bodily damage to them. it's beautiful. they're beautiful. and, you know, this is hopefully doesn't become a new normal and, you know, we'll get a vaccine eventually and i hope this goes away but we're so ill-served by this president. and it really infur rates me and
it makes me actually very sad. >> al franken, i hope we can talk again. it was wonderful to hear about your grandchildren. thank you for spending some time with us. after the break, the surgeon general's calling this next week our pearl harbor moment. why does the president seem so allergic to the idea of leadership? when you shop with wayfair,
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don't have a national effort in this to say we're a backup the surgeon general alluded to pearl harbor, can you imagine if franklin roosevelt said, i'll be right behind you connecticut, good luck building those paddle ship and the governor of washington state pointing out the utter absurdity that he and other governors are facing dealing with this pandemic. lack of federal oversight and leadership. john, how are you? >> holding up all right. how are you? >> hanging in there. hanging in there. first, just take me through your thoughts about these governors, i mean, profiles in leadership and they're literally given an
open lane by donald trump advocating leadership whether it's in providing ventilators or ppe or even at this point, clear guidance on social distancing. >> yeah, i >> when i was sitting in your chair, i'm having terrible feedback. why don't you go on and see if i can fix that. >> will do. okay. kareen, these governors leading and filling a vacuum being created by the president's uneven response still as we get into what his own surgeon is general warns our pearl harbor moment. >> we are in a national emergency. a national crisis that's only going to get worse. and we have received really a disgraceful response.
the president's response on all of this has been a national disgrace. and as you know working in a white house for a the president, the federal government should be leading here, not following. they should be leading the charge in figuring out how do we get this under control. you have governors across the country who are pleading for supplies, pleading on how can they save lives. they get nothing. what do they get? a partisan response. what do they get from this president? he stands behind the podium and he talks about reviews their own tv appearances or their tv press conferences and decides who is going to the get what. this is not about republican governors or the republican president. this is about saving lives. this is where we are with this presidential because we didn't have to be this way. but because he was not prepared
and now showing he's failing on just basic response buzz he can't provide. he chooses not to provide. now we're beginning to get further into this crisis where more people are going to die. now you were sayi ining earlier we don't need 50 strategies here. or 50 decisions by the different governors. we need a national decision. >> there's the coronavirus task force itself. one of the president's allies peter nova row, i think he's in charge of trade, is clashing with the president's top scientist dr. fauci over the use of this malaria drug.
he said do not call your doctor and ask for it. it's thot a proven treatment for covid. but just the fact that these are the fights that are bursting into public view, not how can we surge ventilators to new york state to get them through their peak and how can we flow those supplies to the next states to peak in subsequent weeks. it's so off. >> this drug he's talking about is going to kill people if this is what they do. if they are listening to the president of the united states saying this drug a maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, how dangerous is that coming from the president. he's going to get people killed. and you don't have to take my word from it. listen to ama. they are saying the same thing. you have a president that goes
by his political gut who doesn't listen to the experts. and what does that get us, once again, it gets us into a place of no return we are not yet, not yet flattening this turve curve. and the president cannot do his duty, cannot be the commander-in-chief, cannot lead us out of this. because he is all about the politics. there was a white house official that said last week that the president care mrs. about what's going on in florida because of the reelect of his own rereelect. so he's not looking at this in a way of saving lives, of how he can help the public. he's look iing at to survive. >> thanks. we'll bring heilemann back tomorrow after we iron out our technical difficulties.
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presbyterian church choir providing some degree of care and comfort to the widow of 62-year-old pastor tim russell. tim are russell.netted of complications from the coronavirus after spending a week in the hospital. thinking of him and his family and that beautiful choir today. along with the loved ones left behind by donald, his son john posted a moving tribute to him on twitter seen by tens of thousands of people. his late father, the youngest of 10 children, john writes, my dad was a great man. no buildings named after him. he left behind no fortune. and there are no books that tell his story. he was not great in the way we often tried to define the term. he was great and that he was such good man. good to his core. unfailingly good. thank you for spending some time with us today. we're especially grate fful to allowed into your living rooms during these extraordinary times. our coverage continues now with my friend and colleague katy
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