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tv   The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell  MSNBC  June 1, 2020 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT

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major developments in the prosecution case in the murder of george floyd by minneapolis police tonight, we'll get to that discussion. we have correspondence of what's happening, going to begin with streets of minneapolis and washington, d.c., right now.
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shaquille brewster in minneapolis. what is the situation there tonight? >> this is the street, the intersection where george floyd was killed a week ago, almost to the hour. curfew doesn't begin until later so plenty of time. scene similar to earlier today when brother of george floyd tame over. terrence floyd came through, knelt, spoke to the crowd. message very clear. calling on people to stop the violence, he's angry but not doing that, other people shouldn't either. two, using that energy and passion into more productive and constructive means.
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telling people to go it out and vote. people were impacted by what he had to say. hundreds of people at site bringing flowers, having candles and discussions with people about the tensions that minneapolis has been having several years now. george floyd is the 11th person to die at hands of police in the past ten years. there's a lot of builtup energy, one sign earlier today said listen to black people. white woman holding it up, time to start listening instead of saying what we think needs to happen, listen to what we believe has to happen. that's the scene, lawrence. peaceful, solemn, but serious here at the location where george floyd lost his life one week ago. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. washington, d.c., nbc's garrett
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haake, who has been covering the situation in washington all day and all this evening, what is the situation now? >> reporter: lawrence, tonight the protests focused in lafayette park have scattered to the rest of the city although the number of protesters is significantly smaller than the last couple of nights. the curfew here went into effect around 7:00 this evening after that aggressive, shocking, clearance of lafayette park by federally controlled u.s. park police, secret service, national guardsmen on horses using batons, shields, flash bangs and tear gas. after that, dispersed the protest movement across the streets of washington, d.c., tonight. all day today -- and i have been out here all weekend -- we saw the most peaceful of the protests we have seen in washington, d.c. which made
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those images earlier today all the more striking. protests we've seen even since have been peaceful with protesters walking up the street behind me behind the white house, headed north into the more residential neighborhoods of washington, d.c., chanting george floyd's name, take a knee, remind those still paying attention in washington, d.c., that black lives matter. that's what we're seeing here tonight. the hope, and this was hope expressed by the mayor and police chief earlier today that by instituting the earlier curfew, we might prevent the looting and more dangerous activity from last night. probably heard the saws behind me, most businesses in central district have boarded up windows or they were already smashed last night. we're bracing to see what might happen in late hours but so far
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in downtown d.c., things are quiet. >> thank you very much for that report, garrett haake, we appreciate it. we are doing our best to deliver a sense of what is happening around the country, but our best is never good enough because perspective is always a challenge in news gathering especially tv news gathering which is always attracted to the most dramatic pictures. and so for one example, a small army of citizen volunteers who appeared out of nowhere this morning in santa monica, california to clean up the vandalism of the night before will never get equal time on tv for their kindness and generosity and civic spirit and humanity. to the big question, yes, we have been here before. on the day when the president of the united states threatened to use active duty
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u.s. military for crowd control in washington, d.c., and elsewhere, it is worth remembering that in april of 1968 after martin luther king jr.'s assassination there were 6,000 people arrested. 10 people killed. over the course of the week. and u.s. military was deployed in washington, d.c., then to control the city. that deployment included the sixth armored cavalry regiment, and the 82nd airborne. so, yes, we have been here before for the same reason, the murder of a black man. we are going to go -- we are going to go to cal perry in louisville right now. breaking news situation right now. what's the situation? >> reporter: we've had total chaos last few minutes, flash
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bangs went off and there was distinct sound of gunfire which changed the mood very quickly. we're surrounded by gas, put out tear gas. line is there, more flash bangs. crowds were jovial but getting out of control especially with the vehicles and cars. when the national guard units with the louisville police started moving forward, the crowd went to meet them. that's when we saw the tear gas and flash bangs. but thing that's been happening in this city is live gunfire, distinctly three minutes ago, and somebody was shot and killed last night after midnight. that's the concern that everyone has had. crowd are dispersing, starting to run. you can see the blue lights, there you go, mark, the police are moving forward very slowly but deliberately. again they're using that tear gas from the flash bang grenades
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to get rid of the protesters. thing that happened last night, lawrence, just after midnight, david mcatee was killed, 53 years old and shot dead in exchange of gunfire, as we found out later from the mayor, police were not activating their body cameras. there was no body camera footage. that's really upset people here. they view the police force here as more than just abusive but as corrupt. that's what we've been hearing on the ground. again the fact they were not activating the body cameras has upset a lot of people and frankly brought a lot of people to the streets tonight, lawrence. >> we know that two police officers and members of the national guard were fired in this instance, but don't know
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who killed the owner of the popular business there. mayor said it was tragedy, fired the police chief over this. and tonight is the crowd engaged on the matter of what happened last night? or is this still a focus on george floyd? >> reporter: i think they're engaged in last night. death we saw in this city in march of 26-year-old emt in her apartment when the police did no-knock raid, slick way of saying they went in without announcing themselves and wearing plain clothes. because they didn't have body cams on we don't know really what happened. share really shooting the rubber bullets now. because the police weren't wearing body cameras, everybody
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was disputing what happened. when i last spoke to you 48 hours ago, mayor said it's mandatory to have the cameras activated at all times. within 72 hours of being told they were required, didn't turn them on when knew they were headed to conflict. what's happening here, a few brave protesters but they're moving in hard, going to see arrests tonight. 40 people last night, 40 the night before, i think we'll see more arrests. just to close out the circle of what we're talking about, the situation in louisville is symbolic of what we're seeing around the country. deep seated distrust and mistrust of the police force to deeper issue. when body cameras are off, people assume they're hiding something. that's the bigger issue,
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lawrence. >> cal perry, thank you for that report. we're joined now by phone by democratic senator kamala harris of california. she joined the protest in lafayette park in washington park in d.c. on saturday. senator, thanks very much for joining us. i wanted to get your reaction to what the president said today that it was apparently his desire, although he may not have the authority, to order u.s. active military into the cities of this country to take over and dominate those cities. >> lawrence, to be clear, these are not the words of a president. these are the words of a dictator. he talked about domination, dominating the streets. domination is just another way of saying supremacy. that's part of the theme of who donald trump is. after a long career of running
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for office and being president, where he has spent full-time trying to sow hate and division. but fact he's commander in chief threatening the american people with the american military, prepared to use military against its own people? that's not sign of a commander in chief. i've said recently, donald trump is like the worst combination of george wallace and richard nixon. he is not capable of leading our country, especially in this moment of crisis where people are in pain, america is raw right now, and her wounds are exposed. and what he is doing is just fang t fanning the flame of hurt and pain. >> the president repeatedly used the phrase law and order, wants to be the law and order
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president, that was richard nixon's campaign phrase of 1968 that won him the presidency. in a year where there was great deal of civil unrest in this country, including the rioting that occurred in chicago during the democratic convernntion, th president's use of that term seems to be designed in the way richard nixon used it, all aimed at his voters to strengthen his base of support. >> i think you're right. there's no question in my mind he is doing this because one, he does not have compassion for the people and their pain, two, he has no full awareness of the history of our country on the issue of race and fact that black people in the history of our country have been treated as less than human, the way that george floyd was treated is current evidence of that, and that we've never fully addressed the history, historical and systematic racism that exists in
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america. so of course he's going into the old playbook of trying to pretend he's a hero for calling for law and order. but what he's doing is destroying america. he's destroying our capacity to fight for the ideals we've not yet reached but know we can get to if we're together in this. and people are in pain because of it. but i do believe in the strength of the people, i do believe in the true nature of who we are, and that we will continue to fight for those ideals we've not yet reached. it will not be with donald trump's help. >> senator harris, we now have has of tonight 1,802,384 cases of coronavirus in this country, and over 100,000 deaths.
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in the midst of this pandemic we have stopped to focus on the loss of one life in minneapolis. how do you maintain the focus and necessary focus on the pandemic, especially for for example protesters and their need to take care of themselves in this pandemic, how do you keep that focus running at the same time that this protest focus is running? >> you bring up great points lawrence, there's really overlap here. let's be clear, issue of policing is the tip of the iceberg. there is undercurrent -- the undercurrent of this is issue of housing and affordable housing. issue of health care and disparities in the health care system, who has access and how much money they have to have to have access. undercurrent is disparities in education and jobs. these issues are connected. when we talk about the the pain of the american people and suffering of the american
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people. so there is work to be dub. i'm working on what we need to do to save our small businesses. 90% of women and minority-owned small businesses did not receive the benefit of the paycheck protection program. we need to deal with that. bodega, barber shop, florist have employees of ten or fewer people. we have a initiative about carving them out and giving money to them instead of the publicly traded so-called small businesses. there's work to be done, bernie sanders and ed markey and i are proposing we give people of direct payments of it $2,000 a month through the pandemic and immediately after. american people are falling down, we need to hold them up so
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once this is over they can get back to work. that is what we have to fight for. there are solutions but can't overlook the pain people are feeling, evidenced in the streets of america. >> the prosecution of the murder case, governor used authority to put state attorney general keith ellison in charge of that prosecution. you've been district attorney and attorney general, both roles. county attorney now will be working as a teammate in effect of attorney general keith ellison, what is your reaction with your expertise as prosecutor to that development in this prosecution? >> i strongly believe as former prosecutor, whenever we're talking about investigating police misconduct, shouldn't be the d.a.'s office or state attorney general to do that.
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i applaud having the attorney general investigate the case, should be happening across the country. should never be those d.a. offices investigating the cases. as an expert. in addition, i have legislation on independent investigations and also to say we have to have national standard of use of force. what's happening now in courtrooms when the officers bring this for excessive force, standard is ask is it reasonable in that situation, we can explain away almost anything as having some reason. almost insurmountable burden to meet to make sure there's justice and accountability for excessive force or death. standard should be to ask not was it reasonable but was it necessary. that's really the fair question
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to ask when we're talking about accountability and justice for those families and the community at large. >> senator kamala harris, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we appreciate it. >> thank you lawrence, take care. joined now with marq claxton, retired new york city police detective, and eddie vaud from princeton, and msnbc contributor. jermaine you've spoken to attorney general ellison in minnesota about this situation. what do you see now as different in this prosecution with keith ellison in charge? >> what he brings is first, as a black man, he understands the
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true texture and nuance of the history that got us to this point. he understands the rage, understands all of the wrinkles, but he also said he is committed, believes that former officer chauvin murdered george floyd. i asked him about one thing i've been hearing over and over again from folks, they want a first degree murder charge. officer chauvin had his knee pressed in george floyd's neck and just looked into the crowd. there's intent there. but he said there is a risk of overcharging. risking losing the case. but almost as bad is undercharging. he said nothing is off the table. there were three other officers, it seems every day we get a new video of the knee on george floyd's neck. and we see three other officers on top of george floyd's back. he says he's still considering the evidence, didn't want to
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touch on it exactly but he is focused, he believes a great crime was committed here and he is focused. rarely see -- we had kamala harris. keith ellison, rarely do we see black attorney generals appointed across the country. that's been call of reformers, need more diversity, people who understand the community. he gave me a litany of cases he thought were clear, that didn't end up in crimes. think of the walter scott case, shot several times in the back, hung jury. trayvon martin case, not police but similar. it's critically important to dot every "i" and cross every "t," but an uphill battle. >> you are seeing the image on the scene. chris jansing, what is the
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situation? >> reporter: we had a whole day of very peaceful protests, thousands and thousands of people and they split up about sundown. this is the story of what happened since. this is a dwayne reed that was broken into. i think you have video we can show you. intense scene, there were so many young people in there. the police came very quickly and there was a scuffle, one of the commanding officers got hurt. not the only place. a couple blocks off times square that got vandalized. but everywhere we went after dark we saw this, up and down lower manhattan, midtown. where we are now, just a block from here, a verizon store that said no merchandise, no cash, and they were broken into and fire was set. dozens of protesters asked me to say please tell folks this is
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not what we're about. we are about fighting systemic racism, we are about changing the system, about making sure that another george floyd doesn't happen. they consider by and large this to be a huge distraction and they wish that people would stop. this has been occupying the police. twice as many on the street tonight as there has been last night. and this destruction is the reason why, this is a very popular tourist store with lots of new york stuff here. broken into. you can see the glass down there. this is why mayor de blasio announced that the 11:00 curfew coming up will be 8:00 tomorrow night. the police have been mobile, on foot, on bicycles, in vans, going where these groups of largely young people are. they are not protesters. they are here just to destroy,
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to loot, to cause trouble. let me make one more point about this. there was one single protester who said to me, unfortunately, he thinks it's taken some of the destruction that has happened all around america to bring attention to what they want to bring it to. he said this is our home, our neighborhood, new york, this is hard to watch. personal note, that duane reade i just showed you, i stop there about twice a week. it is between 30 rock, lot of protesting and destruction there, michael kors, we saw destruction there. best buy down the street. my house. i stop by a couple times a week. talked to a few neighbors who said there is no reason for this. why is this happening. this is not what this is supposed to be about. i spent four hours walking new
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york. largely peaceful protesters, but after dark this is what we are seeing across much of new york. >> thank you for that report. professor eddie glaud, you said something last week that put a perspective on this i have not heard anyone frame nearly as well. you talked about what it must feel like in your bones to be living through this pandemic and then have your neighborhood crushed as it was in minneapolis by this murder of a black man under a police knee. what is your perspective on this now that we're a week into it. >> well, i think there is an old blues metaphor, robert johnson found his sound at the crossroads when he made a deal with the devil. seems to me that the country is
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at a crossroad, we have to choose whether or not we're going to invest and double down on the ugliness of racist commitments or finally leave this behind. the obvious lynching of george floyd was simply the fuse that lit the tinder box, and it's so layered, lawrence. what's so interesting to me is this really quickly, people are choosing to risk their lives in order to protest brutality. they know we're in the middle of a pandemic, many people have probably lost loved ones they weren't able to attend their funerals, yet they're out in the streets trying to bring attention to the fact even with a global pandemic killed more than 105,000 americans, disproportionately african-americans, they're out there to call attention to the
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we are back. these are live shots of new york city at this hour and phoenix. protest demonstration in phoenix where it is 7:33 p.m. at this hour. a peaceful protest from all that we can see at this point. joining our discussion now, paul butler, a law professor at georgetown university and msnbc contributor.
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trymaine lee is back with us. paul, trymaine was talking earlier about the autopsy reports we now have. we have both, we have the official report from the county medical examiner who is saying homicide and then the private autopsy by the family. he says clearly that george floyd was killed on the scene. he believes he died right before our eyes on that video, and that it was the pressure on his neck, and the pressure on the rest of his body by the other two officers holding down his lower body and pressing his lungs into the pavement. what is your reaction to these developments in the case today? >> both autopsy reports indicate that the cause of death was homicide. that's a medical term.
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it means that mr. floyd didn't die of natural causes, that his death was caused by another human being. it doesn't mean homicide in a criminal sense. that's what the jury will determine. the interesting thing about the family report is that it indicates that not only did mr. floyd die because of compression to his neck, but because of compression to his back and legs which prevented blood and oxygen from getting to his brain and heart. that raises the question of why the other officers have not been charged since they were the ones also compressing his body. and if they are charged, will they be charged with murder? other interesting thing about these reports is that the official report suggested there were other underlying health conditions which caused or contributed to
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mr. floyd's death. where the family's autopsy report says he died only because of the officers' conduct. >> let's listen to what dr. michael bawden said about this today. >> when he said "i can't breathe," unfortunately many police are under the impression, if you can talk, you're breathing. that's not true, i'm talking and talking and not breathing in front of you. mr. garner, in this instance, you should take it seriously. >> trymaine, this is the day we've had more developments in the case since the day the officer was arrested. >> thiet. the that's right, these developments
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rapidly pouring in, every day another angle on the video. keith ellison was appointed to lead the case just last night. today he told me he is pouring over evidence to determine if the other officers should be charged and also if officer chauvin's charges should be upgraded from third degree murder and manslaughter to first dre degree charges. then look outside, imagine the pressure pushing on in keith ellison and the system. young people came of age with trayvon martin, and seen all these cases without successful prosecutions. these have resonated with us in a very different way. we have been there before with the mike brown and others, but triple nature of last three
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weeks. breonna taylor shot dead in her house and george floyd to die the way he did, there's a lot of stake here. we've been having these conversations time and again. when there is absence of information and transparence, it will be filled with gas and heat and we're seeing some of that, even seeing the developments, some people want to see justice, even though time and again it's not clear that many folks, black folks especially, know what actual justice is. that's where we are, in the conversation with keith ellison, i don't think any of the weight was lost. he was appointed for a reason. he said to bring full weight of the state and all its resources to bear on this case. but there's something symbolic here, you want justice, at least maybe have a better shot here. not saying that's what governor is thinking but for many people that's what's at stake here. we'll see. right now hear the president talking about dominating the streets and appointing soldiers
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into these communities and we've seen it time and again, response to police violence is militarized police. the response to police violence, armored tanks and snipers, we're seeing that play out. images of the broken windows, many of those young people don't have anything but rage and anger and hurt in their bellies. and powers that be have to weigh all of this, day by day, lot of people are hoping this time this might be pivot point towards justice. >> going to gadi schwartz right now, nbc news correspondent in los angeles i believe reporting from hollywood. where are you, what is the situation there? >> reporter: deep in hollywood, police running all directions, dplai dp deploying to different parts of
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the city. they boxed in cars they believed may have been involved in looting. there was looting of rite aid, i'll show you that. chp boxed in these cars here. officers responding to another call. it is past curfew, some being arrested for possible looting, others for disturbing the peace but it's really tense situation. tactical officers. >> we're going to have to cut to oakland, california, right now. [ booms ] >> you're watching live coverage of the situation in oakland, california, at this moment.
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>> social distance mother -- >> one hit my foot. >> we're going to come back to that when we have perspective on it, see what's actually happening there. it's not infrequent for these cameras to supply what seem to be urgent images but without context don't know what we're seeing there. marq claxton is still with us, former nypd detective. marq, wanted to get your reaction to what you see as developments in the prosecution case today, with the autopsy report indicating that there could be criminal liability for homicide for two other officers who were also compressing george floyd's body. >> i think today's autopsy
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reports came as support of what we saw with our own eyes and believed in our hearts regarding the death of mr. floyd. i want to touch on the movement happening of late, some of the events that occurred today. seems as if we're squandering a golden opportunity. when your commander in chief becomes a provocateur in chief, you're squandering a golden opportunity for reform, just shows you how far we are from reform. civilian population emotionally committed to police and criminal justice reform. law enforcement professionals across the nation have expressed publicly their support for some level of reform, and you have a president who instead decides to provide provocation and increased militarization of our police. it's a squandered opportunity.
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the recent developments, autopsy reports, failure, lack of arrest here all point towards squandering of golden opportunity to start moving towards a more progressive and reform agenda. >> want to go back to eddie glaude on that point, professor glaude, the squandered opportunity here is still within our grasp, this story is not over, the momentum from it is not over, and historically the challenge has been, i've been on this subject since the late 1970s, first book was about this, but challenge has been getting white political support for a crisis that everyone in the black community knew was present and ongoing. and this seems like one of those moments to get that political support that could gel into a large enough majority for legislative action of some kind.
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>> perhaps. and we do know in the past, some efforts on the part of white allies and white liberals, they end up doing things that actually help build a carceral state. my colleague wrote a wonderful book, "the first civil rights: how liberals helped build prison america" to detail that story. but you're right, with the pressure from the streets we have an opportunity, need to talk about immunity, and demilitarization of the police, and what senator harris mentioned, national, uniform code, policy around the use of force. those are baseline gestures we can begin to reform policing, because we know that the criminal justice system is knotted, nested, complicated. relationship between police,
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prosecutors, county examiners, a range of things, we have a lot of work to do, and this pressure from below in light of the tragedy, the public lynching we just witnessed, has given us an opportunity to do just that. >> we're seeing live coverage of the protest demonstration in phoenix tonight, which remains like most of the demonstrations virtually all of the demonstrations, protests nationwide have been peaceful. the activity that's not been peaceful is usually unrelated to the protest or something that happens after the protest and involves perhaps a tiny sliver of the people involved in the protest if it involves any of them at all. we're trying to cover two different things on the streets of america. one is what we're seeing here, entirely peaceful protest. that's most of what is happening on our streets. our cameras are also chasing
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criminal behavior wherever they see it. we have a tendency to overemphasize it because where we find it, we send cameras there. don't misunderstand the proportions here. many more people you see right there than you have seen in any of the other criminal behaviors we've put on the screen tonight. we're going to back to oakland, california, tonight, where we have live images coming in from there. jake ward is covering this for us in oakland. what's the situation there? >> reporter: i want to show you now the police cordon just up. this is the first night of curfew imposed by alameda county, 8:00 p.m., which by my watch is not for another 12 minutes, yet a moment ago just down the block they were hit
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with flash bangs and tear gas and forced to don our masks. cordon of converses including oakland pd and alameda county sheriffs department seems determined to get us off the streets right away, despite fact all day i've been talking about how extraordinarily peaceful oakland has been. tonight people chanted against the police more loudly than they had, but came from a gathering over 3,000 people by local estimates, full of people, young people, people who spoke eloquently about right to be in that place. to use in case of one white teenager we spoke to his privilege to get heard. and need to have police training, not have to act in a
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certain way to protect themselves against the police. it was beautiful to be around. now to see the police firing small explosive devices and tear gas into what has been angry but very peaceful crowd until now, it's unfortunate to see. again, we're about 11 minutes from the official curfew. perhaps it had to come to this, but it's not clear to me that is the case. >> jake ward, thank you for that report in oakland, california. we're going to go back to los angeles. gadi schwartz in hollywood. curfew is 6:00 p.m. in los angeles county, one of the earlier curfews. what are we hearing there? what is the situation? >> reporter: the booms, unclear if hearing flash bangs or possibly fireworks. we've seen fireworks set off near police. behind us is line of people that
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have been arrested, unclear how they're going to be processed, whether released on their own recognizance, we've seen that. in l.a. over 700 people arrested but as you know during the pandemic about 5,000 nonviolent offenders released from jail, many of the court systems are shut down. there's a big chance these people will be released within a few hours, possibly by the morning. tell you what police say, we haven't had chance to talk to people in custody yet, but police say there was looting down the way at rite aid, they sent officers in this area and for some reason stopped a bunch of cars in this area. some people they think may have been looting. others were out after the curfew. curfew is 6:00 as you mentioned. what we've seen is this convergence of almost three different groups here in california.
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protesters, peaceful. a few agitators inside the protest engaging with police. then an element going around trying to find vulnerabilities, where police aren't, that happened yesterday in santa monica, today the use of police deployment as you can see is massive. way more officers on the street than protesters in many cases. they're deploying extremely rapidly and boxing people in. >> thank you for that report. we'll take a break. be right back after this.
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here is a moment in los angeles yesterday. it was actually in santa monica yesterday afternoon, and it was captured on local los angeles tv by reporter koco mcaboy for channel 11. >> reporter: hey, guys, you see this? okay. do you guys want to come back to us? hey, do you guys want to come back to us? >> that brave young woman ran in there to stop that destruction of that store, and at least temporarily scared those people away from that store. there were scenes of destruction in santa monica, california,
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yesterday, and there were scenes of heroism like that, trying to prevent destruction. and the destruction was preceded by a protest demonstration that was 100% peaceful, 100% peaceful. joining our discussion now is heather mcghee, co-chair of color of change and an msnbc contributor. and professor eddie glaude is back with us. heather, i have been struggling for perspective in our coverage, which is what am i supposed to do when i'm at that protest yesterday in santa monica? i watched the whole thing. it's 100% peaceful. and then there's this small group of people, two dozen, three dozen maybe, who dominate television for the rest of the night because they have run into stores to grab $70 sneakers and things like that, and those are the people who get all of the attention in the coverage of this. how do we find perspective in the way we watch these events?
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>> lawrence, i want to thank you for being self-reflective about that because the message of this moment is the extraordinary courage and heroism of the everyday americans, many of them young, a multiracial group of americans in every single state in this country, who have joined together with an urgent demand to transform this nation. and they're doing it during a global pandemic with the threat of unconscionable police brutality that is only getting worse with these nationwide curfews that give police a free rein to attack people just for exercising their first amendment rights. they're doing it because they see a new america coming, and they're willing to fight for it, and they're willing to put their bodies on the line for it. and, you know, i'm sure professor glaude and i have all been to protests like the ones in these past two days but have
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never seen so many people of different races and ethnicities coming together repeatedly to say enough is enough. we see a new america coming, and it's time for those who are holding on to the old ways to simply get out of the way. it's courage, and it's bravery, and that's what you need to focus on. >> professor glaude, we have had police officers around the country join the protest, take a knee with the protesters. i saw some truly fearsome-looking police officers yesterday in the los angeles area in riot gear. each one of them, when i watched their behavior up close with the protesters, was polite, was professional. i mean that officer right there couldn't have been nicer to every single person who approached him. and yet we also have some horrible stories, horrible stories of the police work that we have seen this week in their attempts at what they call crowd control. how do we put it all into a perspective that we can
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understand? >> well, i mean i think it's wonderful that we have examples of police behaving humanely, that their uniforms don't in some ways distract them from decency and extending dignity to their fellows. but i wanted to say, you know, as i was watching some of the misconduct, some of the misbehavior, lawrence, i couldn't help but think that if you bracketed the tear gas and the rubber bullets, what we saw was the way in which black communities and communities of color are often policed. that is we see aggression, we see insult and contempt and spite. we saw that over the -- we've seen that over the last couple of days -- or nights, that is. so i think what we have to do is kind of move beyond the symbolic gestures and really get to the heart of the conversation of how do we reform the ways our communities are policed, and how do we reform criminal justice in the united states to address the
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racial bias that's at the heart of it all? >> heather mcghee, barack obama made his entry into that discussion today and saying that protesters have to now focus on exactly what they should be demanding because this is the moment where they can make those demands on policy. >> yeah. i think it's really important that everyone's who's watching knows that they can get involved in that. color of change and many other organizations, you can text 55156, text the word "demands," and you will get engaged in an action network. people can take action at their local and state level, and of course at the federal level. this is a breakthrough moment that we're having in this country right now. donations from police should be toxic to candidates. we should have pledges all across and up and down for office to not take the money and to have a criminal justice reform agenda that meets this
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moment. >> heather mcghee, eddie glaude, thank you both very much for joining our discussion tonight. i wish we had more time. thank you. really appreciate it. well, good evening once again. day 1,229 of this trump administration. 155 days to go until the presidential election. and as of our air time tonight, the two biggest cities in our country are now under curfew. this is the seventh night of protests, exactly one week since the death of george floyd. and there has indeed been trouble in the streets tonight. we want to turn, because it is a breaking news story, to our senior national correspondent chris jansing tonight in new york city, where the trouble has been at a major landmark, macy's herald square. chris?