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good afternoon. i'm alicia menendez. we're following protests coast to coast. here's a live look at washington, d.c. where large crowds are expected again this afternoon. president trump said this morning the national guard will begin moving out of d.c. backing off his calls for troops to end the civil unrest nationwide. these demonstrations are not only happening in washington but in dozens of cities big and small across the country. and today, we're getting new polling that says 4 out of 5 americans believe the country is out of control. from the continued spread of coronavirus and uncertain economic outlook, and president trump's inability to unite the country. we have reporters following these protests today in washington, new york, and where this all began in minneapolis. but we start in washington, d.c., with nbc's alli vitali. massive protests yesterday. there was an addition made to
the black lives matter street mural. tell us, what's happening there? >> yeah, you're right. overnight, that mural of black lives matter that was supported by d.c. mayor muriel bowser had an addition made to it right here behind me. you can see, it says defund the police. the mayor has been asked about that. she says that's not an official part of the mural. although it's one that activists in reesest days have been pushing. effectively saying they should be reallocating funds away from police departments and back into the communities that need them for education, for housing, for other things like that. effectively saying its prart of the movement to reverse the systemic racism we have been hearing about so frequently as we have been at these protests, but today, really, if you look around, the vibe is similar to what it was yesterday. it's pockets of protests throughout the city. in fact, i hear one coming down 16th street behind us. and it's pockets of people who have been protesting and eventually all ending up at black lives matter square, lafayette square park, right
outside the white house, and protesting for black lives matter. we have seen kids, we have seen parents bringing their kids. all of this in the name of being a part of this moment in time. listen to what one of the families where spoke to here told me about how they feel in this moment. >> my tears went from tears of sadness to joy just seeing all these people out here. it's amazing that for my kids to be a part of this. it's huge. >> i think that it's a time that we have never seen. but it's an awakening. what happened on tv in front of everyone's eyes was the revolution actually being televised. >> and alicia, i do think that's a really notable thing, what you heard the two parents saying is that shift in mood here, one from sadness then to hope. that's a lot of what we have been hearing from protesters out here as they have been gathering on 16th street and frankly all around washington, d.c. i will say there's one other
thing here that a lot of people have been talking about, which is the national guard presence here in the district. mayor bowser has been effusive in saying she wants the troops out. they all will be leaving except for the d.c. national guard. that's the latest today. as i have been walking around, i have to say, i have not seen much law enforcement presence out here. we have been out here for several hours and i have seen hundreds and hundreds of protesters but not a lot of law enforcement at all. alicia. >> all right, ali, thank you so much. in new york city, another night of protests. mayor bill de blasio has decided to end the city's 8:00 p.m. curfew early. cori coffin is in midtown new york city. there was a lot of back and forth about this curfew change. you had advocates saying it was disproportionately affecting black and brown workers. many of whom work outside of the 9:00 to 5:00 hours. what you hearing about the decision to end the curfew early? >> yeah, that decision came this
morning right as the curfew ended for last night, and the mayor saying he felt like the city was moving in a positive direction with the peace of the protests and that he wanted to moving forward focus on the reopening, phase one is what manhattan is going to be entering and the rest of new york city is going to be entering tomorrow. he feels that's important to continue on. he also, of course, announced some changes for nypd funding saying he was shifting funding to youth services, youth programs, and social services. didn't give details on that yet. he said that would be in the coming weeks. this also as kgovernor cuomo ha announced an initiative, the say their name initiative he's going to be focused on next week. no choke holds, greater transparency for officers with cases open against them, and completely separate investigations that are independent at the state level. i talked to the chairman here of black lives matter of greater new york city about what he felt and what they feel, what the organization feels about those
proposed changes. listen to what he said. >> the governor is banning choke holds. choke holds are banned in most police departments. no. prosecute that cop for a felony if he chokes someone and doesn't give someone medical assistance. a lot of people are being left to die in cars and cells. this isn't right. this isn't right. we have to change it. >> the group calling for change, calling for specific reforms that they are going to be posting and making public in the coming days, and thousands of people have showed up here. this rally has been going on for about two hours now but it's actually in a different location than was originally broadcast and that's because nypd has blocked off times square, somewhat of a slightly unprecedented move here. you can see just a show of force, basically from 42nd all the way up to 48th, and from 6th over to 8th. entire area not allowing any protesters in through that space, instead, they're basically filling in south, but
alicia, they tell us they do plan on walking after this rally is up and they have confirmed they're going to be walking to the mayor's residence. we'll keep you updated as soon as the group starts to get on the move. police seem like they're on the ready. they have added their helmets in the last few seconds we have been talking. alic alicia. >> thank you. in minnesota, the epicenter of the nationwide protests over george floyd's death, the minneapolis mayor received a stinging rebuke saturday. while speaking to demonstrators about police reform, mayor jacob frey refused to condemn the police. prompting boos and chants from the crowd. >> go home! go home!
shame, shame, shame, shame! >> nbc's shaquille brewster joins me now from minneapolis. shaq, has the mayor said anything more on his decision? >> well, he explains his decision as he doesn't support the full abolishment or full abolition or defunding of the minneapolis police department. instead, what he supports is reform for that department. he wants to give the new police chief more time, more resources to be able to reform, and more power to reform that department instead of just completely defunding it. you heard and saw in that video that was not enough for the protesters there. protesters who are going to continue to be out downtown, calling for that abolition. and i was in st. paul yesterday in front of the governor's mansion where you had about 1,000 people there also calling for the governor and attorney general to look back at cases not just the george floyd killing but going back further beyond to see cases of alleged police brutality. people want to address the systemic issues involving
policing, and that's what the anger is that you're seeing there, and that's what's being reflected. i can tell you, here at the site where george floyd was killed, you continue to see a more solemn scene. people come with their flowers, with notes, come with their families from all across the straight, and frankly, all across the country to pay their respects to george floyd, and here you also get a sense of that activism that you're hearing out on the streets. listen to what one gentleman told me about what he wants to come from the death of george floyd. >> everybody should take a step forward, not backwards. and press on because that's what it's going to take to get change, and everybody wants a change. that's why they're here. that's why you see what you see. everybody is looking for a change. >> that change looks a little different for everyone. if you look at what's happened over the past couple weeks, we have seen that ban on choke holds and strangle holds by the minneapolis police department. there's that duty to report that officers have if they see excessive use of force, they need to report and intervene. you saw the charges for those
officers. there is change happening, but what people say and remind me over and over and they want to see the systemic issues in policing, they want to see those systemic issues addressed, and that's what they're starting to feel like they're starting to get right now, but they want to keep the pressure on because they want to see the big issues addressed and solved. alicia. >> shaq, thank you. >> turning now to the white house. president trump says he's given the order for the national guard to begin the process of withdrawing from washington, d.c. nbc's monica elba is at the white house. can you tell us what led to the president making this decision? >> yeah, for the last couple of days, there has been this debate with the d.c. mayor asking the president to reduce not just the national guard presence but also federal law enforcement, after we have seen days of now more peaceful protests since those clashes that happened about a week ago, of course, most notably on monday evening, when that law enforcement presence went back and pushed the protesters so that the president
could walk across lafayette park for that presidential photo op in front of st. john's church. a very different picture we're seeing this weekend with very, very calm protests. really demonstrators coming together with music and a more party-like still serious and somber messaging for black lives matter but a certain contrast to what we saw just days ago. there were about 5,000 troops total, and we're told that now over the course of this weekend, they're all leaving. the president is indicating he gave that order this morning but we're told by our pentagon team that was already in the works for the last couple of days. but this does come as the president continues to battle with the d.c. mayor who of course commissioned that new mural. she changed the name of that lafayette park plaza to now black lives matter plaza, and we haven't heard the president weigh in on that specific point yet. and the other thing is, we have seen this expanded security perimeter, the fencing that was put in place around the white house complex, originally secret service said that may only be up
for a week, but we're told there hasn't been a final decision about whether they're going to extend that because it's really a question of how long these protests continue even though again they have become far more calm with no arrests in the last couple of days. alic alicia. >> monica, in the past few days. we have seen some prominent generals speaking out against the president, the president's decision to use military force, and now you have former secretary of state colin powell weighing in. take a listen. >> we have the people of the united states, the ones who vote, the ones who vote him in and the ones who vote him out. i couldn't vote for him in '96, and i certainly cannot in any way support president trump this year. we have a constitution. we have to follow that constitution. and the president has drifted away from it. i'm very close to joe biden on a social matter and on a political matter. i worked with him for 35, 40 years, and he is now the candidate, and i will be voting for him. >> monica, any response from the president or from the
administration? >> yeah, rather predictably just about an hour after the former republican secretary of state made those remarks in that interview, the president fired off two tweets slamming him as in his words a total stiff and highly overrated. so we saw the president there issue a very intense reaction. as he often does when he's criticized, and it seems even when he's criticized by members of his own party, sometimes that even takes on new height. but this shouldn't be as much of a surprise given that colin powell didn't support the president in 2016, didn't vote for him, and as he said, he's a close friend and ally of the former vice president joe biden, and that's why he'll be voting for him in november. so this shouldn't come as much of a shock, but the question is, how many others in the coming weeks will do that, as we saw secretary of defense jim mattis come out with that blistering op-ed in the last week. that's the question that a lot of the allies around the president are asking, how many more people that the president
worked with, appointed, may come out and speak out against him before november. alicia. >> monica, thank you. up next, the pandemic and nationwide protests may be taking a toll on president trump's re-election chances. we'll show you what a new nbc news poll has to say about it. plus, the pandemic did not disappear when those protests started. a little later, i'll talk to a doctor about the new recommendations and why experts are concerned about new outbreaks. and coming up at 3:00 p.m. eastern, joshua johnson and his panel of experts will be answering your questions on police reform. tweet us using the hashta hashtag #msnbcanswers or email us at firstname.lastname@example.org. which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women
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calling for equal justice outside the u.s. embassy. similar crowds came out in berlin, madrid, and hong kong. we have also got new polling today that shows a nation in need of leadership and imagination. our nbc news/"wall street journal" poll finds 80% of americans feel like the country is out of control amid the ongoing turmoil surrounding the coronavirus pandemic and the aftermath of george floyd's death at the hands of a minneapolis police officer. for more, let's bring in jacqueline, the author of "the washington post" power up newsletter, and shauna thomas, nbc news contributor. shauna, you look at those numbers, 80% of the country feeling like things are out of control. how much of that is the cultural moment we find ourselves in? how much of it is a condemnation of washington's leadership at large, and how much of it is about the president himself? >> i mean, i think it's a combination of all those things. but i think it's interesting because that question of whether things are out of control is kind of a personal question.
someone can get that question and think about the economy and unemployment and do they know someone or is someone in their family not have a job. they can think about their fears about their health when it comes to covid-19. and they can think about what they're seeing on the streets and what they're seeing when they see that murder of george floyd video. all that combines together, whether it's one of those things or all three of them, to make you feel like things are out of control. but when you compare it to trump's rating, his approval rating, which even nbc news has said is remarkably steady, that's a political question. and so the question is, does anyone who currently believes that trump is doing a good job and they approve of how he's acting as president, you know, do any of those things start to affect the way they see trump? and right now, what we're seeing is that the people who support him, those things are not necessarily changing their opinion of him because they could believe that he is the right guy to do something about the out of controlness of
everything. >> right. i mean, jackie, if you are the trump re-election campaign and you're looking at those numbers, what are you making of them? >> well, we have reported so far that the campaign is indeed worried about these numbers that they're seeing and in fact, additional numbers they're seeing some of the president's base supporters slightly erode. but look, this is supposed to be a time when the person leading the country historically would get a big bump during a time of crisis, and instead, the president is seeing the opposite. as you just pointed out, majorities are still concerned about the coronavirus. trump's ability to unite the country, and they're pessimistic about the economy. that's really problematic for a president whose re-election bid rests on a strong economy and the idea of law and order. we have seen republicans who have a history of exploiting riots, political tumult, and these protests for political gain. see richard nixon in 1966. but it is particularly problematic for an incumbent
president. historian rick perlstein wrote this great op-ed earlier this week where he noted it's unlikely political tumult will spur a backlash that benefits conservatives and usually voters tend to blame the person in charge at the moment for that disorder. also, if you go deeper into your poll, 2 in 1 say they're worried about the death of george floyd. they're more worried about that and systemic racism than they are about the actual protests. i think when voters are looking for this leadership and looking at a president who isn't even concerned with their same concerns, you know, and with the seismic shift we're seeing, the majority of americans are saying police officers are generally more likely to treat black people unfairly than mistreat white people, that disconnect is going to be really problematic for the president in november. >> i want you to listen to what former republican secretary of state colin powell said earlier today. >> we have the people of the united states, the ones who
vote, the ones who vote him in and the ones who vote him out. i couldn't vote for him in '96 and i certainly cannot in any way support president trump this year. we have a constitution. we have to follow that constitution. and the president has drifted away from it. i'm very close to joe biden on a social matter and on a political matter. i worked with him for 35, 40 years, and he is now the candidate and i'll be voting for him. >> i was speaking with monica alba earlier outside of the white house, and she was quick to point out it shouldn't surprise us that colin powell would say this about the president. he's never been a fan of the president. at the same time, i wonder if it starts to begin to create a pressure for other republicans to step up and to speak out in a similar way. >> i mean, i think one thing it creates the pressure for is that when other members of the media see republican senators on capitol hill, when they see republicans, they're going to get ask thd question about supporting trump, not just in the context of themselves but in
the context of colin powell who they would all probably stand up and say was a great leader for the united states of america. i think what's also important about what colin powell said is that as monica said, he has been remarkably consistent. and in that interview with jake tapper on cnn, he talked about donald trump's birtherism, he talked about donald trump and the way he treated immigrants and how he talks about immigrants. i think colin powell even got choked up when he talked about that. there are multiple things that factor into this with colin powell, but when you see some of these other military leaders come out and speak, as we have seen with general mattis and others, they're all finding things that they find reprehensible about president trump. and i think one of the things that's not great for president trump is the longer he's president and the more he speaks, people who normally feel that they should not speak out like general mattis are thinking that they have to. so i think colin powell does a little bit to get there, but it's probably people like general mattis or retired general john allen who when they start to say something, it gives
people cover. but it also begs the question of, why do you need general mattis to give you cover? i think we saw -- i think it was "the new york times" who reported about lisa murkowski kind of trying to figure out if she is going to support the president next time and sort of thanking mattis for opening things up and talking about this. but your constituents start to ask, well, what do you actually believe? >> jacqueline, i don't have much time left, but i want to get in this tweet from the president today who said, quote, leaders lead, cowers kneel. with that, a picture of biden kneeling. how much will be see in the leadp to november? >> if this past weekend is any indication where the president tweeted and retweeted over 200 times yesterday alone, we'll see it pretty frequently, but it is a pretty rich retweet coming from a president who just uses religious symbolism as a political prop, staging a photo op holding a bible in front of
st. john's church after tear gassing peaceful protesters to clear the way, but i think we'll see this president try to mock and attack really anything that vice president -- former vice president joe biden does in the lead-up to november. >> all right, jacqueline and shauna, thank you. up next, they're leading a movement, and they're barely old enough to drive. i'll introduce you to the teens behind some of the biggest demonstrations in nashville.
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illinois governor jb pritzker can attending a day of action today in the western suburbs of chicago. he spoke just a short time ago about the need for police reform. listen. >> if we want justice, there are at least three things we gotta do. there is no justice without police accountability. there is no justice without
criminal justice reform. and this is the big one. there is no justice without reversing the disinvestment and instead making significant investments in our black communities here on the west side, on the west suburbs, all across the state of illinois. >> and across the country, we're seeing young people speak out and they're front and center, taking the lead in many of those protests. in nashville, this massive black lives matter protest that reportedly saw tens of thousands in attendance was organized by six teenage girls who met online and wanted to do something about ininjustices they were seeing. with me now are some of the members of teens for equality. thank you all so much for joining me. jade, tell me, how did this all come together? how did you all meet? >> well, i saw z, she's not here today, but i saw her post on twitter, and it was a flier for
the protest, and i was like, hey, can i help out in any way? and i know emmy rose personally, so i told her i was going to start helping her out with this, and she joined. and then we met nigha and her sister and mikhaila, and we all kind of came together in a group chat and started talking about how we would organize it. we just kind of -- yeah. >> z, so much of the way that information is spreading is through social media. how are you and your peers processing what it is that you're seeing on social media? >> about which topic, like the protests and the police brutality? >> yeah, about the police brutality specifically and the videos that have led to a lot of these protests. >> it really makes me very emotional. to see people who say that they're supposed to protect and serve you kill people of color, some of them tend to be racist. and some of them don't mean to,
but it still hurts to see that people are dying every day by people who say they're supposed to protect you. >> kennedy, as a young person who is fighting for justice in america, do you believe that the people in charge have your best interests at heart? >> not really. i think that the government needs to be reformed. i feel like that the system needs to be reformed because it's very biased towards people of color. and there's a lot of evidence that goes towards that statement. that's why i say that, so i really don't feel like that the government is on our side. some people are. but i feel like most of them aren't. >> naya, or whomever wants to answer the question, you're not 18, you're not able to vote in the upcoming election. what do you want people who are able to vote to think about as we head into november? >> okay, so i'll be able to vote
next year, but because this is where we're going to have to live, like, i think that when you vote -- it's a really hard question. >> i think what you should keep in mind is which candidate is going to be able to make the most change in our system. like who has the best interests in the communities, really just important to keep in mind, like, just knowing who has your best interests. >> thank you. >> who is able to make the reforms, the change, because we do need change. i don't want my children growing up in this country as it is now. >> what is your message to teens who may be watching and feeling like their voice doesn't matter or they don't know where to start? >> you can, like, no matter how big your platform is, you can make a difference. 30 followers turn into thousands. if you post, it inspires others
to post and speak out about it and the police brutality and all that is happening because it causes a chain reaction. someone with three followers, it can lead up to someone posting as 300,000 followers and just, like, if you feel uncomfortable or feel like people will judge you, people will not judge you. people will respect you for speaking out for your own opinions. and just not to worry about what other people think. >> what do you all hope that people who are watching take away from these protests, take away from the way in which you all have gotten involved? >> i would say please do not put protesters and rioters in the same category, because you see a lot of people saying, oh, there have been no peaceful protests, where there actually have been. i have seen people who are peaceful, but the protests, they started getting violent when the police showed up. please know that the people are peaceful until the police officers show up and they start -- they start getting
violent. they start getting really violent. like, i have seen police officers kneel just so they can get a picture in the news, and 45 minutes later, they're tear gassing peaceful protesters and shooting rubber bullets at them. >> all right. thank you all so much. up next, we'll talk about the case against four minneapolis police officers in the killing of george floyd. how some of those officers plan to defend themselves in court. plus, there's still no charges in the death of brianna taylor at the hands of police in louisville. we'll talk about where the case stands as well.
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predominantly white participants. one vocal wayne resident spoke about race in his town. >> i want to say something else, wayne community, for the individuals who don't live in wayne, i want to say i'm proud of you. i'm proud of you because i know coming out here has probably bothered some family members. i know coming out here has probably interrupted your family's home. racism is a problem for everyone. when your husband is racist, it's an issue in your family. it runs within your culture. when you're silent, it continues to spread. >> in the case of george floyd, this past week brought a second degree murder charge against former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin. the aiding and abetting charges against the other three officers on the scene during floyd's death. but in the case of breonna taylor, the louisville, kentucky, emt, killed when police conducted a no-knock
search warrant on her apartment, charges have yet to be brought. taylor's boyfriend, a licensed gun owner, fired on officers as they tried to enter her apartment. that's when officers opened fire, killing taylor. for more now on the legal case, i want to bring in her lawyer. thank you so much for being with us. in the case of george floyd, officer chauvin's third degree murder charge has now advanced to second degree. the family, of course, is asking for the charge to advance to first degree. meaning that the prosecution would have to prove premeditated intent. what is the likelihood of that in this case? >> i think it's unlikely, as we have seen in other police violence cases, whenever the charges are usually as high as first degree murder, it's unlikely that the prosecutor is able to secure a conviction. so there's lots of reasons for that. as we saw in the case of ray tensing in ohio, for example, after he shot sam in the face, he charged ray tensing with murder, and on two occasions, on
two separate occasions, a jury was unable to convict. it's because a juror simply decided they would never decide to convict a cop of murder. so it's just highly unlikely that's going to be the case. and in the cases where there have been successful prosecutions of police officers, we have seen a decreased amount of time, even the prosecutor's office ask that no time be served in the case of a man who killed a girl in new york years ago. it's highly unlikely there will be a conviction, generally. even though we have seen more convictions now of police officers than we have seen in the past five or six decades. >> i also want to bring you in on the case of breonna taylor. her family has filed a wrongful death suit. the legality of a no-knock policy has been challenged in two supreme court cases. how is the use of this warrant considered legal? >> what's unfortunate if you
look across the united states, no-knock warrants are predominant feature of policing. police, you know, through all kinds of warrants and protocols, they have the power to enter into your house, to use force if they believe that you're hiding a person or there's a waurbt for their arrest or if you have contraband that is supposedly illegal. what's unfortunate is while there's been so much focus and necessary focus on i.c.e. raids and detentions, for example, we have, the certify has unfortunately accepted that no-knock raids and other sources of s.w.a.t. raids, invasions into homes have become a feature of american policing. we have accepted that as normal. whether or not this particular no-knock raid was legal, the broader problem with policing permits things like this to happen. what's exciting about this moment that people are saying no to that, they're resisting that. it's not just this one raid. it was the entire system of policing that allows that kind of violent entry into the homes in the first place.
>> you have the fbi announcing they're looking into the facts surrounding breonna's death. what do you expect will happen coming out of that investigation? >> i expect what i typically expect from federal investigations. the doj investigation in ferguson led to a pattern of practices of discrimination, inquiry into the ferguson police department, where you see all sorts of those kind of consent decrees in the aftermath of police violence. what typically is going to happen is the public is going to learn that the police can be constitutionally violent. all of the people killed by police, all of the no-knock raids we see that don't become viral, all of that is within the bounds of the constitution. and so if the fbi do an inquiry and find in this one case that it was outside the realm of what they believe is supposed to be okay, there may be some noise, but again, unless we completely and fundamentally abolish and change the policing structure of this country, we're going to continue city that.
and just because it won't be a viral hashtag for us to pay attention to, we must continue to resist it. >> thank you. in new york city, a demonstrator was detained by federal immigration officials while at a protest for george floyd. the immigrant defense project posted this video of the incident and says the man is a u.s. citizen of puerto rican descent. they said agents held the man on the ground with three guns pointed at him, cuffed him, illegally searched him, tried to search his phone, and accused him of having a gun. with me now is terry lawson, the supervising policy attorney for the immigrant defense fund. terry, you spoke to the man who was detained. what did he tell you about this incident? >> you know, he told us that he was terrified. that when they drew their guns on him, he thought that they were going to shoot him. you know, he was walking with peaceful protesters. and then suddenly, he's grabbed by this swarm of officers. and thrown to the ground.
he hit his head. he had suffered multiple injuries on his arms. and his knee. he woke up yesterday feeling awful and had to go to the hospital for a cat scan. i spoke to him this morning to check on him, and he said he wants me to let you know that this abuse has to stop so that other people are not injured like he was. and now he's terrified of law enforcement. and we're extremely concerned now because i.c.e. is stationed, we heard last night, they're stationed outside the police precincts in the bronx, and where they will likely be targeting and racial profiling of black and brown people as routine. the other thing i wanted to make sure -- go ahead. >> i was going to say, on tuesday, you had acting homeland security secretary saying that over 600 border patrol, i.c.e., and tsa agents were deployed in washington, d.c. i wonder what you think that means for that city and others. >> i.c.e. has increasingly relied on local policing to fuel its deportation pipeline, and
deportation relies on the same abuse of power and racism that local policing does. the roots of militarism are very deep and that's why so many people are calling for structural change. >> you have in a statement homeland security officials saying homeland security investigations continues to work alongside all of our state police, local, and federal partners in keeping our communities safe and peaceful during these protests. hsi has the authority to make criminal arrests as needed. they identified a person consider today be in possession of a weapon and a threat to the public safety. no arrests were made. this was not immigration related. what is your response to that statement? >> our response is that i.c.e. and hsi come up with all kinds of public safety narratives to justify their abusive tactics, arrests, and deportations, but we know is this was a latinx man walking down the street with protesters and he was swarmed. these narratives that just disproportionately impact black
people characteri them as threat, and local policing plays into that, but they rely on criminalization to further their agenda. >> terry lawson, thank you. up next, these mass protests have some medical experts worried. i'm talk to the doctor about a concern in the surge in cases and live pictures from london right now where it's almost 8:00 p.m. in just the last few minutes, we have started to see pushing and shoving between police and protesters. we'll continue to monitor the situation there. stay with us. what getting fueled with three energy packed proteins feels like. meat! cheese! and nuts! p3. because 3 is better than 1
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you're looking at images from milwaukee, wisconsin. the nba milwaukee bucks are holding a public protest march in support of social justice. this is being attend bid players, coaches, ownership, management and staff. the global death toll from the coronavirus surpassed 400,000 today. more than a quarter of those deaths were right here in the u.s. american deaths have now topped 110,000. now with thousands of people gathering for worldwide protest, concern is growing over further spread of the virus. joini ining me now is chief med officer at dillard university. you see what is happening in the streets. we know this virus is
disproportionate lly affecting black communities. what is your concern? >> this is a regretful irony because the people that are downtrodden the most, the people affected the most by covid 1, people that are black and brown all over the united states are the ones that have been disenfrn chi -- disenfranchised and need to protest and march. it looks like it will be a possible second wave. it will do more damage to the same population and that's the horrible part of it. >> we have been talking about the possibility of a second wave before these protests even began. is it your belief there's the possibilities that that second wave could come sooner than we initially anticipated? >> yes. the reason why is because once you see all of the people demonstrating, you see that we know scientifically that we file
the scientific method to the tee with the data points that we have seen that when you speak very loudly, when you do not wear a mask, when you're in f s place that's confined and less than six feet apart, this is where the virus is the most deadly. with all of this, don't forget the people throughout are super stressed because of all the historic issue that we've had with the police department, government. with stress, you will encrease your cortisol. you decrease your immune system. it's a perfect storm for people to be stressed out, receive more covid-19 coronavirus inoculation through the yelling and the screaming and then the immunes systems are decimated and they are at a perfect point to get covid-19 and have a outcome because of the preexisting
illnesses of dieabetes, hyper tension that affect brown and black communities. >> cases are trending up, arizona, california, texas have seen rises in cases in the past week. as you look at these numbers, anything that is concerning you most? >> yes. we know that the numbers are going to rise. the virus is the constant. the reasonable reason the virus numbers went down as far as incidents and death is because we changed. the virus is still aggressively trying to find hosts. if we go back to where we were, then number will go through the roof. the issue is we're using economic data points to say whether we should reopen across the country. the problem with that is that if the numbers start to go up, some of the states are not reporting the data appropriately. when you're using the economy as the driver of this, what state
is going to really want to show their true numbers when if the numbers go through the roof, they'll have to decrease the economic impact again. that is going to be a big deal here. i'm not saying people are doing this on purpose but they are reporting things differently. never forget that public health is a four legged stool. you have politics, economy and the economy is real important. you have science and public outcry. right now public outcry, politics and economy are driving this when science should be the number one leg that we're leaning on. >> all right. thank you so much. that wraps it up for this hour. my colleague joshua johnson takes over at top of the hour. he's got panel of experts ready to answer your questions about police reform. it's not too late to get your question in. get your question in. mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis or psoriatic arthritis. when considering another treatment,
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and it's testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. so abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. from the twin cities of minnesota to the four corners of the world, people are demanding police reform. protests in the u.s. are mostly peaceful. london has been tense lately with protesters clashing with police and pulling down the statue of a slade trader. you're looking live at parliament square. in the u.s., milwaukee is one of many cities with people in the streets. we saw nba players with the
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