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jury subpoena. but the court also gave the president a great deal of leeway with the congressional subpoena for his tax returns meaning voters will not see them before the election. speaker nancy pelosi reacted a short time ago. >> the supreme court, including prethe president's appointees have declared he is not above the law. whatever it is, it's not good news for the president of the united states. >> right now, ousted u.s. attorney geoffrey berman is testifying behind closed doors. berman was fired by president trump last month following a clash with attorney general barr over federal oversight. and in the state of florida, the new epicenter of the coronavirus crisis, officials reported nearly 9,000 additional new cases today. the positivity rates for tests over the past week is almost a shocking 20%.
joining me is my co-anchor for the next two hours, katy tur. katy, i enjoyed a little bit of a break, but i missed our time together. what are we watching with the presidential race right now? >> i certainly missed you, chuck. we're following something of a split-screen moment in the battle ground state of pennsylvania. vice president pence will campaign in malvern next hour before addressing philadelphia police this evening. his speech coming during a national conversation over police reform. joe biden will unveil his much-anticipated economic recovery plan to metal workers in dunmore, pennsylvania. biden is expected to focus on american manufacturing and infrastructure spending, as well as a plan to address the fallout from the covid-19 pandemic which continues to devastate communities across the country. we should also note the rolling seven-day average for coronavirus deaths has now risen for a second day in a row.
that is the first time that has happened, chuck, since june 2nd, which was more than five weeks ago. >> yeah, the scientists continue to be right in everything they have projected. they just may not have the exact dates and times for these curves and if we do this, then this happens. but i think science, once again, is proving that it's science for a reason. the centers for disease control and prevention says it's issuing additional information for reopening schools, clarifying, though, it's not new guidance. this follows attacks from president trump on the agency's guidelines. the white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany claims the president and cdc are in sync. even though the president has not attended a coronavirus task force meeting since april, he's briefed daily on their findings. the president's rally last month and the accompanied protests with it likely contributed to a dramatic surge
in coronavirus infections. that, of course, has drawn the attention of folks in new hampshire where the president will be holding a rally on saturday. joining us now is nbc news correspondent carol lee. she's live from the white house. carol, there's a lot of things that once again that the president is reacting to. but let's stay focused here on the virus or the lack of the president's focus on the virus. i mean, it does seem as if he continues to want to be in a place that possibly we were in april and may, rather than where the reality is today. >> yeah, you just hit the nail on the head, chuck. the president has consistently, since the pandemic started, wanted to be ahead in a better place than where, as you said, the reality is on the ground. and that's caused real tensions between him and members of his coronavirus task force. largely because what they keep experiencing is what we're seeing now with these school opening guidelines. they have recommendations and then the president and the white
house come in with a heavy hand and try to redirect or recast these guidelines or recommendations to fit what the president wants, which is, we heard from the president, from education secretary, schools to fully reopen in the fall. and there's real questions about from members of the coronavirus task force whether that's something that you -- they should be pushing so hard on giving the surge in cases. and we heard from dr. fauci a number of times, including in an interview recently where he said part of the problem is they pushed some states moved too fast and didn't follow the guidelines because they were trying to reopen too quickly. we saw the president push states to reopen. he had problems with the way they were handling businesses reopening. we saw this with churches and now with schools. and it's the same tension that's been there from the start. >> carol, has there been any proposal from the white house? i understand they want to get schools to reopen. they are concerned about it.
connected with the economy. the best way to do that is to give schools a ton of resources in order to do the proper testing and make the changes they may need in order to do this. is the white house even talking about that or are they still just dangling the stick idea of trying to cut special education funding and things like that? >> they are talking about that. the stick is more sort of where you see the president at, but there are discussions about whether there are certain things you could, as a white house official put it, they're too prescriptive in the guidelines. can you change some of those to make them less prescriptive. we don't want to be overly prescriptive to the idea that people point to things in the guidelines and say, look, it's too hard to reopen. so we know that they've been looking at those guidelines and retooling them. and also recommendations from the american academy of pediatrics. and can they get to a place where they can kind of mesh some of what's in the cdc guidelines,
some of what the american academy of pediatrics says and come up with something that's clear for schools. there's no clear guidance. what happens in all of this when you have the president saying that, people want to reopen. parents want to know if it's safe to go back to school and you don't have a clear message coming from this white house. >> not a clear message at all anywhere. that's for sure. carol lee getting us started at the white house. carol, thank you. katy, earlier today, dr. fauci did a satellite radio interview talking about the school situation. and he seemed to endorse the idea potentially that universities could actually bring people back because you could create sort of -- they could be quarantined. they could get cut off so there's a way maybe on the university level, but it still doesn't solve the back and forth issue that kids below of primary school age, that issue that they're dealing with of going back and forth. but i thought it was interesting. so we're getting a third set of
guidance. fauci essentially endorsing the idea of universities if they can close the campuses, actually could bring people back. >> it just shows how this administration, the people working for this administration, are not all on the same page. and when you're talking about primary school, chuck, if the issue is it was too expensive to institute those cdc guidelines, fund the money to the schools. give them the money they need. if you want to restart the economy you have to give parents a way to put their kids back in school so they can go back to work. money seems to be an issue that is the easiest to solve, at least in this scenario. chuck, let's go over to arizona where coronavirus infections are skyrocketing. over 24,000 new cases in the last week. that's more than 22% of the state's total infections to date. in spite of the startling numbers, the trump administration is painting an optimistic picture of where cases in hard-hit states like arizona, florida and texas are
headed. joining us now is nbc news reporter vaughn hillyard live in phoenix. yesterday vice president pence said that the curve is flattening in arizona. do you have any evidence to indicate that's actually what's happening? >> well, that hopeful sentiment was pretty much what we heard from the vice president one week ago when he flew into phoenix. but the reality is over the course of the last week, those numbers are not going down. just let's listen to one of those bites here from the vice president just yesterday. >> we are actually seeing early indications of a percent of positive testing flattening in arizona and florida and texas. >> so if we fact check that, the data here from the state of arizona is directly counter to that suggestion by the vice president. if you look at the percent positive number, that number is only continuing to increase. over the last 48 hours, it was at 31% and literally just this
hour, we got the latest 24-hour batch of tests. that percent positive rate here in arizona is now 34%. that number is not going down. it's going up. let's take a listen to a second claim by the vice president. >> in arizona and florida, we are beginning to see declining numbers of emergency room visits as well. >> if we look here in arizona between yesterday and today, these were the two highest marked days of emergency room visits for covid patients. so that runs directly counter to that suggestion again by the vice president. this is the issue at the national level and here at the state level. the governor, ducey, will be holding a press conference later this afternoon. he's been resistant to closing down indoor dining and malls and casinos here, despite calls to take more strident action here in the state. you asked me about what are public health officials saying.
here in maricopa county just yesterday, said that contact tracing would only do so good at this point. essentially the counties are having to throw up their hands because there are so many new cases. just in the last 24 hours, more than 4,000 new cases. it is just -- the spread is too much to even keep up with. that's where they said it has to be met by policy actions and folks need to wear their masks. i was up in prescott, arizona, about an hour and a half north of here over the weekend. folks, maybe 1 out of 8 were wearing masks at this mass gathering of fourth of july celebrations. it's a tough point in this state. as hopeful as they tor have those numbers go down, the trajectory isn't doing that so far. >> vaughn hillyard, some outstanding reporting and thank you for putting the vice president's words up against the reality of the numbers there in arizona and the conversations that you are having on the ground. vaughn, thank you so much. chuck, this is again an example of why this administration is not doing well in polling when
it comes to the coronavirus. their words don't match reality. with the reality we can all see and experience ourselves. it just -- it's not the same. >> i know republicans don't like to hear the "k" word thrown around meaning katrina, but it does feel as if this administration has entered that zone the bush administration entered some time and it was right after we had katrina and the terri schiavo thing and this lost of trust and credibility with the ruling class here. it's a -- when it happens, it's off a cliff type of -- and nothing seems to work and this is a dangerous place the administration is in right now on this front. and the vice president in particular, there's that op-ed from three weeks ago. no second wave. we've turned a corner. he has really put himself out there in some ways that have really hurt the credibility there. let's move back to the supreme court. we noted at the top, the supreme court has determined the president not above the law when
it comes to his taxes. in a 7-2 decision, the court ruled that president trump must cooperate with the manhattan district attorney's investigation into its finances. it's part of the investigation into the hush money payments with women that claim they had extramarital affairs with him. joining us is tom winter. obviously, there were two different suits over the president's finance records and tax records here. and the manhattan case was always considered the stronger one here. where do we go from here? now they know they've got a right to this. where do we head? >> so this essentially being kicked back to the lower courts. it will go from the circuit court to the district court here in manhattan. once again, the manhattan district attorney's office, and i expect them to, in their filing, urge the judge to move this along and say, okay, we've got this decision from the supreme court and now, again, we would like to get our documents that we've requested by a grand jury subpoena.
there doesn't appear to be anything as far as -- they've already addressed the, is this too broad? could they have gotten these documents from somewhere else. is there a way they couldn't have involved the president's accounting firm? and this has already been well briefed and well discussed and already ruled on at the district court level. it's difficult to see how this -- how this result doesn't end up essentially being a win for them. of course, we expect the president's side to challenge that, take it to the 2nd circuit court of appeals which has already heard arguments on this. i don't expect ultimately that the trump legal team will prevail here. what i do expect, though, is for this to take awhile. i think you'll see a period of weeks here before this is decided at the district court and perhaps several more weeks after that or months after that before the appellate court makes its decision. so long story short here, chuck, it's going to be awhile before these documents are ultimately ordered to be transferred over to the manhattan district attorney's office.
then they've got to go through them. so they have to see, okay, what were the underlying documents. not just his tax returns but the underlying documents that came up with those returns. what has the president presented to the state, to the irs, to all sorts of -- and the irs doesn't necessarily apply here because that's a federal component of this, but what has the president presented in the past? >> so, tom, on those documents, and this is where i want to narrow in, the filings and the idea that donald trump might have inflated the worth of his properties in order to get loans or deflated the worth of his properties when he filed taxes. that came into the broad public sphere when michael cohen was testifying last year. >> sure. >> in front of the house. michael cohen is now in home confinement. he was released from prison. he was down in a federal court in new york filing paperwork. we're waiting for him to come out of that court.
we also know from a conversation i had with somebody who was in the room that the da's office, cy vance's office did two interviews with him while up in otisville still in that jail. do we know anything about what michael cohen was able to supply them with? and what the da is looking into in particular. >> you know, i think michael cohen and what he's discussed and said to congress is, he probably went about as far as he's going to go. i don't know if he has a lot more to offer. his testimony was fairly exhaustive. he answered all the questions and so i think that there's probably not much that he has said in private that we don't yet know about, as it relates to the specific topic that you brought up, katy, which is saying on one hand, maybe you're filing taxes, you aren't making as much and your properties aren't valued as much but on the other hand, maybe representations to banks or just as far as an accounting of your worth, the president may have
inflated revenues or inflated property values. those are all things that yet remain to be seen. to answer your question, one of the main tlufhrusts of this investigation, whether there are inproprieties in the filing of documents as it relates to the hush money payments we've talked about at length over the past several years. those are two primary areas being looked at. there may be other components of this we don't have visibility into yet. that's something we'll have to continue to watch for. but whatever michael cohen may say or may offer, we know that these types of cases are built on documents. so michael cohen could testify to x, but prosecutors, particularly because michael cohen has already pleaded guilty to lying before and lying in the congressional inquiry into russia. the prosecutors here really need to back up anything he would say or any other witness would say with the documents. >> yeah. >> tom winter, nbc news investigative correspondent who has been all over this story for years at this point.
tom, thank you. i think the bottom line is, we've got a little bit more of a court fight to go, but 2021 will be a very active year when this investigation gets going, katy. >> no doubt about that. coming up -- new details in the deaths of breonna taylor and george floyd. body cam transcripts show floyd told police officers more than 20 times that he could not breathe. one officer yelling back at him to, quote, stop talking. and emotional footage of what taylor's boyfriend said in the minutes after the shooting. breonna taylor's boyfriend. you're watching msnbc. 49... 50!
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claustrophobic multiple times. derek chauvin faces charges for kneeling on floyd's neck for almost nine minutes. shaquille brewster joins us with the latest. while we have more on how many times george floyd said he couldn't breathe, we also have some very disturbing back and forths from the officers' side of things. shaq, tell us about that. >> that's right, chuck. we're starting to get more and more information about exactly what happened between george floyd and those officers on memorial day over a month ago at this point. and just to start out with why we have this -- these new details. this is part of a motion to dismiss by the attorneys of officer thomas lane. he was one of the officers fired, involved in the death of george floyd. it's over 100 pages of evidence and documents that his attorney submits to the judge in saying that he should not have to face trial. in those documents, it includes
an interview he did with investigators. it includes police training details, and it also includes the transcripts, two transcripts from two different body camera videos. and that's why we're going to see and we're getting to see a little bit of the details in the exchange between george floyd and the officer. i want to pull up the first exchange. what we know and what the transcript shows, initially thomas lane approaches the car of george floyd with his weapon drawn because he doesn't see george floyd's hands. and floyd said that he's been shot before by officers. he's nervous and he's scared. and once they remove him from the car, things calm down. but as they try to move him back to the car, that's when you see george floyd say, i'm claustrophobic. please, man, he doesn't want to get into the car. he explains he just had covid. i don't want to go back to that. lane says, okay, i'll roll down the windows. that is important because lane's attorney is suggesting here that lane was trying to help george floyd. that he was looking for ways to assist him.
if you look later in the transcript, and this is one of the new details, george floyd says, you're going to kill me, man. officer chauvin, the officer who had his knee on the neck of george floyd for about eight minutes, he says then stop talking. stop yelling. it takes a heck of a lot of oxygen to talk. and the last words from george floyd are ah, please, please, please, and then we know he's unresponsive at that point. again, the reason we're seeing this is because officers thomas lane and his attorneys are trying to say that he was trying to assist in this process. and after -- and part of the process as george floyd is on the ground, officer lane suggests, should we roll him on his side? and chauvin says, no, he's staying put where we got him. there's another exchange where he says, okay, i'm worried about the excited delirium or whatever. and chauvin says, that's why we have an ambulance coming. his attorneys are saying he was trying to help in this instance. one other interesting thing that we saw from this evidence. over 100 pages of evidence in
transcripts in this. this image from the training manual, from some training material that thomas lane's attorney is presenting to the judge. in it you see an officer depiction of an officer using his knee to restrain a subject that's on the ground. you see that knee is placed in the neck area or in the upper back area. the attorneys are saying this is all evidence that's needed to consider that the judge should consider, the state has until august 10th to respond and reply to this new evidence here. chuck? >> boy, that training brochure there is certainly an interesting new piece of evidence that's introduced as well in these transcrypts. it's a good thing we have this body camera footage. shaquille brewster, thank you. katy, over to you. >> previously unheard video and
audio reveal new details about the fatal police shooting of breonna taylor in march. that video obtained by wave-3 news in louisville shows the moments after taylor was killed. we also hear taylor's boyfriend telling police why he fired his gun. >> what is it about? you guys fired shots. you just said -- >> we were scared. we didn't know who it was. >> and in an audio interview obtained exclusively by nbc news, we hear the investigators' approach while questioning louisville police sergeant jonathan mattingly who led the fatal late-night operation. the investigator describes a raid involving at least seven officers and a battering ram as, quote, the most passive way in, and says mattingly rightfully returned fire after taylor's boyfriend ken eths walker fired a shot. no charges have been fired
against the three officers who fired their weapons that night. and the interview with mattingly took place nearly two weeks after the deadly shooting. joining us now is former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. also an msnbc contributor. and barbara, indulge me for a moment. i want to play more of the investigators' view with mattingly. take a listen. >> no, i got four rounds off. i know that. as soon as it hit, as soon as he fired, i fired back, boom, boom, boom, boom. i step back and went down. i don't know if my leg gave out or i just instinct from the two standing or four standing, two kneeling like we do. i don't know. and just get off the center. i don't know if that just kick ed in and i got off center, got behind the door. i went to the left and went down. and then just came around and got two off. and then just got out of the game. just let them take over. i didn't want to get shot in the back of the head. i didn't want to get --
>> right. and that was -- because of your positioning, you know, initially when you're shot, and then rightfully so you're returning fire. >> uh-huh. >> you just said you made a conscious decision. i'm now injured. i need to move so they can protect themselves and me as well. and then i don't want to put words in your mouth. >> no, that's it. >> so barbara, breonna taylor's boyfriend is asked questions immediately after the shooting. mattingly, one of the police officers, was interviewed two weeks after the shooting. and the investigator from the language that he used, seems to be on the side of the officer. am i reading that incorrectly? >> no, i think you are exposing one of the inherent problems in investigating these kinds of cases. the death of breonna taylor was such an unnecessary death and
listening to these recordings just brings that home. but it also brings home this great disparity in the questioning of suspects. and you can hear it in their voices. you can hear her boyfriend is incredibly distraught. very difficult for him to collect his thoughts. describing in the spur of the moment what has happened. whereas the officer, you can hear, very calm and collected. it's two weeks later. he's had time to think through the situation. to talk with others perhaps. to understand the scope of what's happened, to read media accounts. so he's had time to prepare. you also hear a questioner who is essentially coaching him through the interview. i don't want to put words in your mouth, but did the following favorable things happen to you? and he just says, yes. that sounds pretty good. there's a reason leading questions are not allowed in court, and that's because it allows the questioner to coach the witness to -- as to what to say. >> so how might that interview and the footage that we just saw at the top be used in the investigation going forward?
>> well, if there is to be a decision about charging either of -- any of these officers, these recordings can be used as their statements, as evidence. and i think it will also be used to assess the legality of what happened at the time. one of the challenges in charging police officers is that they are used, a standard that was articulated by the supreme court about what a reasonable officer would do under the situation, keeping in mind that you do not have the value of 20/20 vision, that you have in hindsight. a situation is quickly evolving and often tense. and so i think all of those things will be considered. to me, the biggest mistake that occurred in this case was that the -- allowing the officers to enter this house at 1:00 a.m. warrants should be executed during the light of day so that there is not this element of surprise where people are awakened during the night. so that decision, i think,
should also be part of what the investigators look at in deciding whether these officers acted reasonably. >> just think about how you might react if somebody busts through your door in the middle of the night while you are asleep. barbara mcquade, thank you for joining us. chuck, back to you. up next -- from n95 masks to cloth masks. homemade to store bought. we're live at a mask testing lab with a look at which are the most effective at protecting you against the coronavirus as well as protecting you from giving it. you're watching msnbc. azing this you have been doing. you are transforming business models, and virtualizing workforces overnight. because so much of that relies on financing, we have committed two billion dollars to relieve the pressure on your business. as you adapt and transform, we're here with the people, financing, and technology, ready to help.
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louisiana's governor john bell edwards says they've lost all of the gains they made in june. they are reaching the same level louisiana saw in april when they were under a stay-at-home order. and another 1.3 million americans filed first time unemployment claims last week. the 1.3 number, it's lower than previous weeks. it's still essentially twice the all-time high. even as this trend line is going down. >> yeah, i mean, it's still not good news, the number of people currently out of work and what might happen once that extra unemployment insurance runs out at the end of this month. back to the coronavirus specifically, though. the governors of maine and new jersey are the latest to sign executive orders expanding the requirements for wearing face masks in public. but which mask you wear will impact the level of protection it provides you and others
around you. joining me from colorado state university's mask testing lab is msnbc medical correspondent dr. john torres. what are you finding? >> we're here to find out how well these masks work. particularly the cloth mask because that's one of the big recommendations to wear multiple layers. to help me is a research scientist here. assistant professor. he has a machine here. that's the noise you hear. testing different masks. right now testing n95, the gold standard of masks against a cloth mask. what we are finding out here? >> we're filling the chamber with particles and pulling air through the masks as you'd have on your breathing and seeing how many particles does the mask pick up. we can go over here and see what we're seeing on the test right now. >> this is realtime. >> realtime data. >> on the left this is our n95 mask. only about 3% of the particles
are going through, which is great. >> it's blocking 97% of the particles? >> right. and on the right is the cloth mask. we're seeing about 40% go through. 60% efficient. which is still really good. it's not perfect. it's not stopping everything, but it's a huge improvement. still blocking 60%. and this is the worst case scenario. >> what we're testing is small particles. the droplets that come out when we're breathing are larger than what we're testing now. we anticipate the performance of this mask being better for the particles we're breathing out. >> and so in your estimation, you are the scientist studying this. cloth masks, how well do they protect us from getting it, particularly us from giving it to somebody else? >> they work pretty well. they're not perfect. and how well they work depend on how well you wear the mask. has to cover your nose, mouth, fully on your face. but it can do a lot to help the community. >> being a scientist, when you go out and about, you wear an
n95 or cloth mask? >> i wear a cloth mask. i don't need an n95. so cloth mask is -- it helps me, but more importantly, it helps prevent me from spreading viruses out in the community. >> and that's the important part, katy. worst case scenario, it's blocking 60%. better case it's blocking a lot of that virus from coming out which means we're protecting ourselves, our community, our loved ones and the nation. we need to wear them. that's the important part. >> dr. john tortorres, thank yo. i'm so happy they did that test comparing the n95 to the cloth mask and finding out it's 60% effective. that's not 100% effective. it's not as good as the n95 is, but everybody making themselves 60% more -- 60% safer, or 60% less likely to spread big droplets or any droplets that could spread this disease is a really big deal when everybody
takes that precaution. and it's heartening to see more and more cities and states using a mandatory mask guideline or mandatory mask wearing mandate for their public when they leave their house and they can't properly socially distance. >> i have to tell you, i geek out even further. i'd want to know which kind of cloth mask? rayon? pal polyester? i'd be geeking out with that machine with 17 other pieces of material of clothes to see is there a better cloth mask. can you move from 60% to 65% depending if -- on what type of cloth? but, still, as you say, just hitting that 60 number tells you a lot there. up next -- the president is pushing schools to reopen. threatening to cut funding to those that do not resume classes
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offer additional instruction on how to implement the guidelines. but he emphasized they were not revising these guidelines. >> we want to clarify. really what we're providing is different reference documents so our guidelines are our guidelines. it's really important. it's not a revision of the guidelines. it's just to be provide additional information to help schools be able to use the guidance that we put forward. >> this as the president is even threatening to cut school funding if they don't reopen in the fall. not a lot of federal funding for most schools, but it does come particularly in special education and some areas like that, and the funding does mean something to some school districts. joining us is dr. amash adalja. this reminds me of what we're seeing here with the cdc and these now revised guidance of the guidelines, i guess is the best way to summarize what we
heard there. it's the same thing when they put out the guidelines for reopening that were quickly emphasized, these are just guidelines. you don't have to follow them to a t. what should superintendents around the country -- how should they interpret these remarks? >> i think it's very confusing for a superintendent because they're going to be looking at the cdc for direction. like all of us in this country are. what's happened throughout this whole pandemic is the cdc has been sidelined. we're always second-guessing whether their guidelines are true guidelines reflecting their judgment or worried about angering someone in washington about it. this is making it harder for those trying to advocate and find ways to open schools safely when politics gets interjected into what should be a public health, science, medicine decision. >> okay. so if we can't rely on the cdc, what is the best guidance? >> i do think that you're going to see guidance from state
health departments, the w.h.o., best practices from other countries that have opened schools, as well as the american academy of pediatrics. we'll have to come up with the best guidance we can using public health authorities. we need to look at it with a lot of scrutiny to make sure there isn't anything being glossed over. we want schools to be confident and school boards and teachers and everybody involved with schooling to think this is the best way forward. i think the politics has -- even if the guidelines are perfect, they now have doubt cast because the president and the vice president have interjected themselves into this process. >> my concern now, every decision the superintendent makes will be interpreted as some sort of, oh, they're pro-trump or anti-trump. that's a horrible place for us to be and for these superintendents to be put in. let me ask you a one-off question is schools. dr. fauci did a satellite radio interview, being interviewed by another doctor, and they were talking about, should we
separate out the university issue from primary and secondary schools. and the point was, dr. fauci seemed to fall on the side, doctor, universities can bring people on campus because you can lock -- you can create a -- it's easier to create a bubble around a campus since they aren't going back and forth, unless it's a commuting school, than it is in primary and secondary schools. i say that to you, dr. adalja of johns hopkins, a school that would be very hard to put a bubble around. >> you can't necessarily bubble every university. it's clear there are many people that live off campus. we're seeing that as colleges are having athletes return to campus and they're testing positive because they're doing things off campus. you can't put a bubble around a university that well. with elementary schools, i think you have to draw a distinction. younger children epidemiologically have not been shown to be driving these infecti infections. you may treat children differently than you would somebody that's older, closer to
high school or college students. there's different measures you'll have to put in place for schooling for different ages based on how this virus performs in different age groups. >> dr. amash adalja, i have a feeling we'll be discussing this issue for quite some time on the school issue because it's all coming to a head in the next few weeks. thank you, sir. katy, over to you. coming up -- georgia senator and wnba team owner kelly loeffler is pushing back against the black lives matter movement. players now want her out of the league. wnba call-star candice parker joins us after the break. also a live look at the black lives matter mural painted in front of trump tower right on the street right in front of the president's building. we're there live after a break. i wanted my hepatitis c gone.
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today, new york city is painting a massive black lives matter mural on fifth avenue, directly in front of trump tower. the mural is a response to nationwide civil rights protests against police brutality and racial injustice. president trump has sharply criticized the mural on twitter, saying it will denigrate the avenue with a symbol of, quote, hate. mayor bill de blasio and al sharpton took part in the mural's painting this morning. joining us is andrew sif live from fifth avenue.
what's it like out there? >> well, katy, there was a big crowd out here earlier. right now, it's a smaller crowd. fifth avenue, the scene right now alongside the mural will show you how it goes. the "b" is closest to 56th street between 57th and 56th and the letters extend past the doorway to trump tower and go all the way to 77th street. fifth avenue itself, as you can see the buses are turning, fifth avenue is closed to vehicular traffic, between 56th and 7757, and will remain closed until sunday night. the significance is this notable mural will be a pedestrian plaza for the next couple days. as you indicated, the president said this mural in particular denigrates fifth avenue, but mayor de blasio a short time ago told us he said it liberates fifth avenue. there was a politically charged atmosphere, activists who were painting the mural, chanting
black lives matter. there were supporters of president trump across the street chanting all lives matter. a familiar political cauldron playing out right in front of trump tower. back to you. >> sending a very clear message to the president in big yellow block letters. wnbc's andrew siff, thank you for joining us. chuck, over to you. >> perhaps he is why he is now a florida resident in his own mind. senator and co-owner of the wnba's dream, kelly loeffler finds herself in hot water after she said social messages would be exclusion. she's a candidate in november's special election to finish out the term, suggested instead of allowing players to allow black lives matter on their warmup jerseys, they should uamericans flags, writing, quote, the truth is we need less, not more politics in sports when a time
that politics is more divisive than ever, sports can be a unifying antidote and we should be united in our goal to remove politics from sports. the players association says they want loeffler out. joining us is five-time wnba all-star and mvp of the 2016 finals, candice parace parker. it's good to have you on the program. i feel like this feels like a conversation that athletes and owners had in the '80s. you know, oh, just, you know, stick to sports. or stick to entertainment or stick to this. is that how you receive this message? >> the problem with this message is, she's telling us, and she's telling the players to stick to sports. and leave politics out of it, when she brought politics in it. all we said was a moral issue of black lives matter. if you cannot acknowledge that
as a moral issue, as an owner of a team, of a league that is predominantly african-american women, of different sexual orientation, different social economic backgrounds. if you cannot agree on moral issues and we continuously bring it to politics, it's not us. it's her. >> i'm just curious, one other question for you, and we have breaking news. but did the owners and the players have a dialogue, or did she ever engage in a dialogue before she spoke out on this? >> i am not aware of whether she engaged in a dialogue with players or with owners. as of right now, our wnbpa are having talks and conversations about what the next step is, and obviously, we have players that are speaking out on this.
but i do want to reiterate that just within the wnba, we really don't want to bring -- this isn't a political thing. this is a moral issue. and you know, we're not trying to make it such. >> candace parker, i apologize for cutting you off so short, but we have breaking news we have get to. thank you for coming on. katy, what do we have here? >> so, a little earlier today, michael cohen went down to federal court here in new york city, presumably to file paperwork relating to his home arrest. remember, he was released from otisville jail because of concerns about the coronavirus. this is him going into the court this morning. we expected him to come out and talk to the press. talk to our crew that is there right now, including our reporter and producer, adam reese. potentially about the decision by the supreme court to rule in favor of cy vance and the tax
case. this is his lawyer right now talking to journalists. we have just gotten word from adam reese, who was talking to this lawyer, who says that michael cohen has been remanded to metropolitan detention center in brooklyn, remanded back to prison under the authorities for the bureau of prisons. the attorney says it could relate to his visit to a new york restaurant that appeared on the cover of the "new york post" over the weekend. his attorney says before being remanded, he was ordered not to interact with any media or to write a book. before he was taken into custody, authorities told him he failed to agree to a monitoring agreement, so he will be transferred to a secure institution. this was not, according to people close to michael cohen, and obviously the lawyer there, what he was expecting when he was going down to federal court today. he was expecting to be signing some paperwork, having to deal
with his home arrest, and now he's back in custody. i don't know if you saw the pictures from over the weekend, but it was on the front page of the post, him having dinner with some friends out here, outside in manhattan. >> look, it's worth noting -- >> go ahead. >> no, it's worth noting we know the president was unhappy to find out when he got released from prison and into house custody. he seemed to make that clear that he was against that. so it's worth noting that development, as we ponder how this development took place. >> really good context on that. we're going to have much more on this in our next hour. don't go anywhere. we're watching msnbc. from vmware helps you redefine what's possible... now. from the hospital shifting to remote patient care in just 48 hours... to the university moving hundreds of apps
good afternoon. i'm chuck todd. it's still a good morning to our friends out west, 11:00 a.m. there. 2:00 p.m. in the east. here's what's happening right now. in moments, president trump will participate in a roundtable with hispanic leaders at the white house. he's expected to sign an executive order. we'll be watching to see if he also comments on today's big news from the supreme court about his tax records. court handed down two decisions on mr. trump's finances. he rejected his bid to block a manhattan prosecutor from enforcing a subpoena seeking his tax returns, yet, the court also blocked congress from getting his financials, sorta, for now. they actually gave him a road map of how to get it.
we're waiting on the start of today's white house daily briefing where we expect kayleigh mcenany to address today's rulings. we'll bring you any breaking news that come out of that. there's also action in the campaign trail. in pennsylvania, both men who have or held the title of vice president will be there. mike pence and joe biden. both will be holding events in minutes. let me bring in katy tur, pennsylvania, pennsylvania, pennsylvania. we know why joe biden is there a lot. it's easy to get to, and short. >> no doubt about that. it's also a battleground state, and it's one that the trump campaign is worried about. given their internal polling and the president's inability to travel there to campaign in person. i'm told this from a campaign source. today in pennsylvania, as you just said, there are dueling 2020 campaign events this hour. vice president mike pence is on a bus tour and about to hold a roundtable in malvern. joe biden is in donemore, just
outside of his childhood home town of scranton. he's there to roll out his first major economic agenda which his campaign calls build back better. recent polls show biden leading on just about every issue except the economy. joining us from the white house is nbc news correspondent carol lee, and from dunmore, pennsylvania, is correspondent mike memoli. let's start at the white house. carol lee, they have the vice president in pennsylvania. this is a campaign that can't really get off the ground right now, or if it tries, it might end up spreading the virus. how is not just the white house, how is the campaign feeling? >> look, katy, they recognized, you talk to political advisers of the president, they recognize they're in a tough fight, that they are basically having an uphill battle in not just pennsylvania but a number of key states. i think what you're seeing from the vice president today is a little bit of the benefits of incumbency. he's in pennsylvania doing a number of official events and
also they're at a fund-raiser. we're told he's on his way to deliver a speech at a company in the suburbs of philly, which provided wireless service to mobile field hospitals and treatment and testing facilities during the coronavirus pandemic. he'll do a coronavirus task force briefing and give more remarks to police officers. i think the message that you'll hear from him is what we have been hearing from the white house generally and the president as he campaigns, which is he's handling the coronavirus pandemic really well, and the president fully backs police, which is what we expect to hear from the vice president in his remarks in philly to the police. however, as you mentioned, this is a state that's a tough one for president trump the second time around. and i think the reason why you're seeing the vice president in pennsylvania holding these events is because they know it. >> that's a really good point. carol, one of -- the only place the president is still polling well is on the economy.
the vice president today, former vice president joe biden, is going to be giving a speech about the economy. why don't we hear the president just stick to a message of the economy when he's trying to win back supporters? hasn't the white house, hasn't his adviser -- haven't his advisers tried to keep him on track with that? >> they have, and they would like the president to focus more on the economy. part of the issue is the economy has really taken a nose dive since the pandemic, so he duant have the same message he thought he was going to have. look, he's in a battle with vice president, former vice president biden over the same voters, essentially. the voters that put president trump over the top in pennsylvania by 44,000 votes in 2016, the white working class voters. the same voters that put him over the top in states like michigan and wisconsin. he needs them to turn out for him again, and pennsylvania's a finicky state. you not only are down in the polls to joe biden and there's questions about whether voters
are buying what he's selling this time around again because he has a record now. he's been in office forty-fofoue biden is a known quantity here. i grew up in the suburbs of philly, and he's been considered pennsylvania's third senator since i was a kid. he comes from scranton so he has roots here. the president, it's not the same as 2016 for a number of reasons, his opponents and a very different dynamic there. >> carol lee, thank you so much. unfortunately, we're having an issue with mike memoli's live shot so we couldn't get over to him. interestingly, not just pennsylvania, i hear the campaign is also worried about florida. two states they had been banking on up until this virus hit and donald trump's poll numbers took a nose dive. >> it's hard to find a state where they shouldn't be worried about at this point. i mean, you're seeing kansas is competitive, texas is competitive. i mean, this is -- this is what is a five-alarm political fire
looks like, is what the president is staring at right now. we're going to stick in washington, katy. there are two hearings today in the house that the president is likely to be keeping an eye on. the first, geoffrey berman, now the former u.s. taerg for the southern district of new york. he's testifying right now in a closed door hearing before the judiciary committee, which basically all democrats for an hour and all republicans for an hour. he, of course, was the u.s. attorney ousted from his post just last month by attorney general bill barr. the second hearing, defense secretary mark esper and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mark milley, are on capitol hill before the armed services committee. both with were the president when he took that infamous photo holding the bible in front of st. john's church. they're testifying on the role of the department offense defense in civilian law enforcement. how are these hearings going? we'll bring in leanne caldwell. i tell you, it's always what's not being televised that i want to really find out what's going on. that's the tougher one to find out.
tell us about berman and then tell us about esper and milley. >> yeah, there's a lot of news happening on capitol hill today. berman is sitting behind closed doors right now with the house judiciary committee. according to his opening statement that we obtained, it details the meeting that berman had with attorney general barr in his hotel room at the pierre hotel in new york city, where barr asked him to step down. berman said that he did not want to step down. he resisted that. barr went on to say, if you don't step down, you're going to get fired. and that's going to look bad on your resume, and that's going to be bad for your career prospects. as we know how that turned out, he ended up getting fired. so that conversation with the house judiciary committee is still ongoing. we'll find out what else is said in that session. but then, getting over to another part of the house, where esper and milley are testifying, they're getting a lot of
questions about the role of the military's role, especially with these protests that happened in the wake of george floyd. they are saying that they did not -- they did not deploy these active duty troops, that they did not have their weapons out. that it was not something, that it was just a precautionary measure. but they're getting a lot of questions about it. one other thing, chuck. they're also getting asked about the russia bounty program as well. what esper said is that he did not know of it as a bounty program. he really honed in on that word bounty, and he said there is no corroborating evidence, which is really what he says extremely important, and that is the same line that we have been hearing throughout this entire issue brought up by the administration, saying that because it was not corroborated, it was not considered important enough, chuck.
>> an amazing amount of parsing and overexplaining when it comes to what intel was said, what did they have and all that, and it does seem to be continuing. leigh ann, a very busy day on capitol hill. thank you. >> katy, more on the breaking news from last hour. >> let's go back to that breaking news. michael cohen has been remanded into bureau of prison custody, according to cohen's liar, the government argues cohen failed to follow the terms of his prison release program. his lawyer called the charge false and inaccurate. let's bring in tom winter. michael cohen showed up at federal court today, presumably to sign documents relating to his house arrest, but also over the weekend, he was photographed having dinner outside, outside of his house, at a new york city restaurant. what more can you tell us about what happened? >> sure was, katy. i'm surprised this didn't happen
sooner. michael cohen was not out on probation, not out on home confinement. he was still serving his prison term. most prisoners in federal prissaprison don't have the opportunity to go to fancy restaurants outside their home, they don't have the opportunity to tweet whenever they want, to speak to reporters whenever they want. michael cohen, the whole reason he's home is because of covid-19 and the pandemic and the desire for nonviolent criminals to be given the opportunity to serve out the rest of their prison sentence at home as if they were serving the prison sentence while they were in prison. he clearly did not do that. there's documented evidence of that. he's clearly been tweeting. there's documented evidence of that. so he essentially gave a big -- put a big target on his back. that's the reason why today he's been remanded into custody. i was texting with our colleague jonathan deenanest, and he saide
will be remanded into mcc, which is next to the courthouse where you see michael cohen entering in earlier. that's the same prison jeffrey epstein was, the prison that has been under a lot of scrutiny of late, but it makes sense because michael cohen lives in manhattan and that's where he'll go from now. unknown whether he'll end up at otisville, which is much more pleasant facility, not that anybody wants to be in jail, but if you want to be in jail, you want to be in otisville, mcc is much tougher conditions than that. we'll wait and see what ends up happening with him, but michael cohen not paying particularly close attention to the terms of his release, and it's caught him. >> tom winter, thank you very much. joining us now on the phone is nbc news producer adam reese, at the courthouse in lower manhattan. adam, earlier today, you were there when michael cohen walked in, the image we keep showing right here. and he told you that he would come talk to you after he was out, presumably on the question
or on the subject of donald trump losing his supreme court battle on the issue of his taxes and his financial documents. >> he said it would be pro forma, about a half hour, sign some documents regarding his home release. maybe be fitted for an ankle bracelet, and we were waiting. his son was out here waiting for him. it came to be about two hours, and we were getting suspicious, wondering what's going on. i called his wife. she said it's just taking longer than we thought. his attorney says when they arrived, immediately marshals and authorities here in the building at u.s. federal court said that he would need to comply with some rules. that included no more tweeting, no more writing, no more talking to reporters. no more having friends tweet on his behalf. and his attorney said, well, that would be a complete violation of his first amendment
rights. so they went into an anteroom to discuss it. before they knew t they said the u.s. marshals came in and said he would be taken into custody, a real stunning development here. he thought that it would be a real quick pro forma meeting with officials here. and now, as tom winter said, he is at the mcc. we were told by his attorney he was going to the mdc, that might be some confusion. the mdc is in brooklyn. that's where ghislaine maxwell is being held. it's more likely, as tom said, he would go to the mcc, which is literally adjacent to this building. he can be taken there underground and we don't know what the next step is. his attorney doesn't know what the next step is. how long he'll be held, what he needs to do to be released, if in fact he would be going back up to otisville, his wife called me immediately when she saw that he wasn't coming out.
she is, to say the least, devastated by the news that he's not coming home this afternoon. katy. >> nbc news producer adam reese, thank you very much. another small wrinkle in this, d.a.cy vance in relation to the investigation into mr. trump's personal financial documents, his office voeisited him in otisville at least twice to see what he would know. >> it did seem as if michael cohen was tempting fate with the justice department that is not going to probably give him many second chances right now. earlier today, the skourlt handed down two major decisions on president trump finances. in a 7-2 ruling, they rejected outright the president's claims of absolute immunity in a new york state criminal investigation. but by the same 7-2 margin, justices blocked congress from access to the president's financial records. the decisions ultimately send both cases back to lower courts for determination.
joining me is maxine waters. waters is the chair of the house financial services committee. she led the effort to get the president to turn over his tax returns. let's get to this second ruling here. the way pete williams reported it out this morning, and i'm curious what your interpretation of it is, is that he viewed it as essentially saying the court said congress, that the president can't block this stuff from congress completely. but congress has to meet a certain set of criteria. so how will you address your request based on this court ruling? >> you're absolutely correct in describing what happened at the supreme court. a little bit of background, as the chair of the financial services committee, we learned an awful lot about this president, his relationship to deutsche bank. deutsche bank had a reputation
for money laundering. deutsche bank was the only bank in the world that would lend money to president trump. all of the other banks had decided that they would not indulge with him, that he has shown to be a dishonorable, that he did not pay his bills. that his information was oftentimes false information that he has given about his assets, et cetera, et cetera. so we move forward to subpoena documents. and of course, i think this ruling really reaffirms that the president is not above the law, but they wanted to make sure that we were not using these subpoenas in a political way. that they gave us a road map, as you indicated when you first came on. they said it should be pertinent and necessary. driven by a clear legislative agenda and purpose, and they will review this and the review
will basically determine whether or not it meets their criteria. and so, we're going to pursue it. we're absolutely dedicated to the proposition that we can meet the rules that are being put down by the supreme court, and we think we can prevail on this. this was not political. this was not something that anyone could describe as overreaching. and so we will move forward with the lower courts in order to meet the criteria that has been outlined by the supreme court. >> congresswoman, do you plan on refiling in the immediate future? do you have a timeline? do you think this is something that might come to pass before the november election? >> well, you know, you really cannot dictate the timing of the courts. and we have been long awaiting this decision. and so we know that it takes
time. but we're going to comply with what they have asked, and we're going to make sure that we are forthcoming with that information, and we'll see what happens. >> on another topic, very quickly, congresswoman, what is the next -- we have got more information about some of these ppp loans and there's been plenty of, i think, a lot of local news stories that that has triggered about whether certain companies or organizations should have been applying for it, but what is the future of this program for the next six months? i mean, i assume it's going to get renewed. what is it going to look like? >> certainly. the renewal now has been indicated until the end of august, but i think it will even go further than that. of course, we're concerned about many of the complaints that we had about ppp. many of our small businesses did not get a chance to apply with
the original c.a.r.e.s. act. and we found that some of our bigger banks had set up their own portals for their concierge clients, their big private clients. what i did not really understand at that point was how they were able to grant them millions of dollars worth of loans, only to go back and discover somehow in these negotiations they had opened up sba opportunities. sba was designed for businesses where 500 employees or less, but it had been opened up so restaurants and hotels that had multiple locations and franchises, et cetera, were now eligible. and so with these private portals that were set up by some of the banks, they were able to give out these huge loans. and when the money first ran out, it left a lots of small businesses standing in line. and so we came back and we put
more money into ppp. many of the small businesses did get taken care of, but the questions remain about whether or not some of the smallest of businesses really do have opportunities and whether or not we're very clear that the banks can no longer require them to have a previous lending relationship with the bank in order to be eligible for ppp. we also know that there needs to be technical assistance. we also corrected the fact that many of the small lending institutions, the mdis, the credit unions and community banks, didn't have enough liquidity, so we're making sure as we did with targeting some of that money to them so that they can lend money to these small businesses that they have relationships with in their communities. so we're going to make sure that that happens in hero. we have learned an awful lot. we can correct a lot, but i want to tell you, this is a desperate
time for our economy. we have small businesses that may not be able to stay in business, who may have already closed down. but we have got to make sure that we get this opportunity to our small businesses, because in the final analysis, our small businesses are responsible for the greatest number of hiring opportunities. they hire people, and we need to have them active and productive. and so i'm very pleased about what we have learned and very pleased about ppp and the main street program, the cooperation we're getting now from the treasury, and from mr. powell over at the fed. we're learning a lot, and i think we can do an even better job, and of course, my committee working with ms. velazquez at the sba, who is the chair of the small business administration committee. i think we'll be able to not only correct some of what we learned that was not helpful to our small business, but we'll be
able to advance these opportunities and maybe modify some of the rules that covered them that will allow them to have more flexibility in the way that they use the money. so we're looking forward to moving forward. if we could only get mcconnell to get on with the negotiations, he's holding us up in the senate. he should not be doing that. we're pressuring. we're doing everything that we can. >> chair of the house financial services committee maxine waters, thank you very much for joining us today. we have more breaking news this hour. with another one of the president's former associated, this one is roger stone. the department of justice urged a federal appeals court today not to delay stone's surrender to prison. stone asked the court to delay the start of his sentence until september due to coronavirus concerns. he's scheduled to surrender on july 14th. and i have been talking to somebody close to stone, chuck, who says that they have a number of allies who are currently
petitioning the president for if not a pardon then a commutation of his sentence, if the president is going to do that, there are only a few days left before he will be booked in prison. >> and let's not forget gabe sherman's reporting in vanity fair that indicated both the white house counsel, pat cipollone, and bill barr, have actually advised the president against doing anything. sherman reporting that barr concerned about a mutiny in the justice department if a comuation is issued by the president there. so a lot of impact on that, and yeah, we're less than a week away from when mr. stone is due in prison. later this hour, joe biden will be talking jobs in pennsylvania. his plan is to target the very voters donald trump promised to bring back. >> first, without a clear handle on the nationwide rise in cases, the debate is heating up over reopening schools in the fall,
developments on the coronavirus pandemic. here are the facts as we know them this hour. treasury secretary steven mnuchin said today that the white house would back a smaller coronavirus relief package than the one the president signed back in march. the white house's position is at odds with that of house democrats who want a more sweeping relief bill, but the president is on the side of sending more checks. that wasn't something senate republicans didn't necessarily want. the trump administration has proposed a new rule that would allow it to deny asylum to immigrants deemed a health risk. it cites the ongoing threat of the coronavirus pandemic, but it follows a lot of immigration moves that were attempted prepandemic that are suddenly being done during this pandemic. >> and the aircraft carrier uss theodore roosevelt is returning to san diego where it will mark the end of its deployment with
the navy's seventh fleet. in early march, more than 1,000 crew members tested positive and one sailor died from complications from the coronavirus. katy, now to the schools debate. >> and chuck, let's talk about schools, because we're only a few weeks out from a lot of kids supposedly going back to school. florida's education commissioner announced this week that all schools must reopen next month. this news comes as the state is seeing a massive surge in coronavirus cases. florida educators are now trying to figure out how to keep students safe, so joining us now from davey, florida, is dasha burns. what sort of steps are schools taking? >> hey, katy. i am in a third to fifth grade classroom right now in broward county, the sixth largest school district in the country. things do look a little different. they have spaced out the desks to have six feet on all sides. the staff has been going around from classroom to classroom to
figure out how many students they can actually fit into each of these rooms. i'll give you a spoiler. it means smaller class sizes than usual. they're trying to implement protocols to transition students from class to class so they don't all crowd in the doorways and then the hallways here. they're trying to figure out how to make sure everyone is sanitizing frequently and properly. they're asking, how are we going to feed our kids? how do you operate a cafeteria safely under these circumstances? they're also trying to not just protect the students but their teachers who are vulnerable and concerned for their safety. they're trying to hire more custodial staff to clean the surfaces of the desks, the doorkn doorknobs, the bathrooms, and this is just a small slice of the monumental amount of decisions and questions that have to be figured out by august 19th, which is the start date here in broward county. and right now, the principal here, he's trying to figure all of this out. he's trying to make staffing decisions, trying to bring resources into these classrooms, and he does not yet have any additional funding to do so. in fact, he doesn't know how
much funding he's going to get. he doesn't know if he's going to get any funding at all. and so even before the president threatened this week to withhold funds from schools that don't reopen, this was a big concern for teachers and administrators. i asked the president of the broward county teachers union about her reaction to what the president said this week. take a listen to what she told me. >> my take is that, you know, i get his understanding of get it open, but using those type of threats on the very people who are his constituents that our country is a core of public education and people wanting to get back in and needing to get back in, and even those people want to make sure they're taken care of with their health as the number one priority, and it's either you do it or i take funding away. that doesn't help us to get moving forward in the plan of opening the schools. >> and katy, the school district
is also trying to gather data on how many students they should actually expect nux month. they sent out a survey to all parents in the district asking what they're planning to do with their children. so far, about half have responded. 27% say they want to keep their kids home, all virtual, all online school. 36% want a hybrid model. they want to send their kids to school some of the time but do remote learning other times. and 33% want 100% in-school learning five days a week, katy. >> dasha burns, thank you very much. >> and chuck, federal funding, as you said before, doesn't account for very much of school funding as it is, but schools aren't rich places, especially schools in lower income neighborhoods, and a lot of teachers out there, even though they make very meager salaries. end up buying a lot of their own supplies. so god forbid that we not only put the onus on parents to buy their own supplies for their kids, but now also adding personal protective equipment, hand sanitizer, all the things
they're going to need to keep themselves safe and their children safe. when it's an issue of money, you think, give the schools all of the money they make it to make it as safe as possible. that's in everyone's best interest. >> i have to say, katy, this is what i believe is going to drive the next negotiations in this coronavirus relief bill. i think you're going to see -- because not only does it -- it's cruel to be talking about the federal cuts because the federal funding on education is usually about helping schools that have special education issues and things like that. it's like some of the most -- small parts of the budget, but some of the most, you know, complicated things to finance at times for a school district. so it would be especially cruel to take away. but again, i have a feeling that the needs school are going to need, the motivation is there, you want to reopen the economy, reopen the schools safely. it's going to cost money. up ahead, as we mentioned,
joe biden will be in pennsylvania to announce his jobs plan. targeting the very industries that president trump promised to bring back. it's his version of buy american, essentially. we're going to be keeping an eye on that and take it to you. >> first, where the highest rates of unemployment are being reported and why it could really matter to the president's re-election campaign. to the pr re-election campaign ♪
any minute, we'll be hearing from former vice president joe biden. he'll unveil his jobs plan. there's a lot of made in america pledges, manufacturing pledges, things like that. new ideas on how to repair and build up the economy post virus if elected this fall. we'll keep an eye on that for you. and the biden campaign will get help later today from former president barack obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton. both democrats will be holding separate fund-raisers for team biden, virtual fund-raisers, of course. so katy, it's the amping up of
the biden campaign continues, and they also have former opponents of biden's primary campaign all over television and radio and blogs and podcasts in order to also tout this jobs plan. this is a united democratic effort to push the idea that, yes, they do have a plan to rebuild the economy. >> and bernie sanders coming out and supporting him as well. i think it was on our network just the other night, talking about how biden's going to be a pretty progressive president if he makes it into office. i know the rnc is going after him for that. let's talk about the economy, chuck. weekly jobless claims topped 1 million again for the 16th week in a row. over 1.3 million americans applied for unemployment benefits last week. a sign that many employers are still issuing layoffs as the virus spread worsens in many states. joining us now with more is nbc news business correspondent jo ling kent. what's the story the numbers are
telling? >> you've got that 1.3 million jobless claims from last week, katy, and then within that report, another 1 million people applied for pandemic unemployment assistance. that's the money given out by the federal government to offer a little bit more of a boost. now, you basically can take that 2.3 million number and look at it and see that right now, across the country, 18 million people are collecting unemployment benefits. and there are really no signs that things are going to get better, that we're going to come off this plateau of 1 million every week of jobless claims, especially as you look at what's happening at, say, united airlines, the second largest carrier here in the u.s., and they have announced involuntary furloughs, 36,000 expected starting october 1st. and it's going to affect everyone, pilots, crew, catering, and flight attendants in particular. and this is what the leading flight attendants union had to say about the magnitude of what's coming.
>> this crisis is bigger than 9/11 and the great recession. it's bigger than anything we have ever seen before by five times. and what this means is devastation for hundreds of thousands of families if we don't get continued federal support for our jobs. >> the reason you have an october 1st date on this united involuntary furlough number, this massive worst case scenario, as they say, is because they received $5 billion in federal bailout money back in the spring as long as they didn't cut jobs through september 30th. so unless there is more money on the table or things change in terms of demand, you're going to see a major, major shutting of jobs at united. also, this followed by walgreens shedding 4,000 jobs, announcing today. so there's layoffs that are going to continue to keep these numbers very high, unfortunately, katy. >> i would like to know what
their operating costs when $5 billion isn't enough to last more than a few months. just out of curiosity, what sort of cash they think they need to continue paying their workers. thank you so much, and chuck, over to you. well, the high unemployment numbers in key battleground states could impact the president's chances of re-election. the $600 a week federal benefit expires at the end of this month, and pennsylvania, michigan, and florida, all have some of the highest unemployment numbers in the country. chris lieu served as deputy labor secretary during the obama administration. you know, chris, i'm just curious, the overall picture here. you know, i know we have seen two months in a row where we have seen some pickup of jobs coming back. are you in the camp that this is basically the "w" part of the spike and we're probably going to have another dip here? we just heard the news, we know where united is possibly headed, when their money expires.
universities are going to be on a furlough binge, i think, in the next six to eight months. when do you expect that to impact these numbers? >> you know, chuck, when i look at these numbers, what i see is a recovery that seems to be stalling. you know, we just talked about the 1.3 million that applied for unemployment. the real number is about 2.3 million. and that's many times higher than the peak of the great recession. and of course, none of this is surprising when you look around the country and you see states beginning to pause their reopening. because ultimately, we're still in a public health crisis. and the economy needs confidence. it's confidence of businesses and workers and consumers, and the truth of the matter is if people aren't feeling good about flying, if people don't feel good about going into restaurants, it's the reason why united airlines may cut 36,000 people. and so look, what we should take from all of this that it's way too soon for congress to take their foot off the accelerator in terms of additional economic
relief. in particular, among for these unemployed workers, this $600 enhanced benefit. the truth is, the jobs that came back last two months were just jobs that, you know, people that were temporarily laid off. what i'm worried about is a lot of people who are unemployed now, their jobs may be gone forever. >> what do we do on the airline front? let's just take that industry in particular. i think the initial goal was, let's see if we can create a safety net for about six months. a safety net was created for six months. demand on the airlines is going to take combined -- we have a confidence issue in people flying, health security safety. so this could be 18 months before confidence is restored. is that realistic? can we support, you know, an industry like that, essentially, with a blank check for 18 months? >> yeah, and i think this is the question, chuck. this is all about priorities.
would you put billions more into the airline industry or into the cruise industry or the restaurant industry thinks they need money, or let's add another one to the table, state and local governments. we know that there's another wave of layoffs about to happen because state governments are running massive deficits because of the pandemic. and they have already indicated that they'll be cutting teachers and police and firefighters. and so look, ultimately, congress and the president need to step up and make these choices. but this idea that we're having any kind of "v" shaped recovery is badly, badly mistaken right now. >> yeah. chris lieu, former labor -- deputy labor secretary in the obama years. thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. katy, over to you. >> coming up next, new predictions about what democrats could pull off in november. the party hopes for a blue wave. but what about a blue tsunami? steve kornacki is at the big
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♪ yeah, it's time for grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ after we make grilled cheese, ♪ ♪ then we're eating grilled cheese. ♪ ♪ because it's time. ♪ yeah. ♪ time for grilled cheese. we're waiting on an economic speech from former vice president joe biden. the event should start any moment. let's go now to a preview from pennsylvania, where we find our nbc news correspondent mike memoli. the only area that joe biden is not beating donald trump in polling is on the economy. what is he planning to do today to address that? >> yeah, that's exactly right, katy. first of all, what i have to say feels ever so slightly more like an actual campaign event. you'll see the vice president speaking just behind me at this metal works facility. just next to his hometown of scranton, pennsylvania, and what the biden campaign is really doing today is offering their
answer to make america great again. of course, that trump campaign slogan, with build back better. that's the sort of overarching theme of what is going to be the first of a four-plank economic plan that the former vice president will begin rolling out today, focused on american manufacturing. he's proposing $400 billion spending on procurement, strengthening buy america provisions in our code, as well as $300 billion in new investment in research and development to try to regain the competitive edge that biden says we have begun to lose to china. if you add that up, that's $700 billion in spending. i think it's important to note that this economic policy both biden and warren aides say represents a joining of forces here. the warren team helped the biden team come up with this policy. it reflects something of what was her economic patriotism plan. we continue to see at least on the economy biden moving in a much more progressive direction as they aim to take the fight to president trump here.
>> mike memoli, should we read into this joining of elizabeth warren and joe biden for anything further than just this speech or this economic policy? >> i don't mention that lightly, knowing that all eyes are on the veep stakes right now. it's important to note in the way joe biden talks about what he wants in a running mate, it's someone to help him govern. here's a perfect example of that already in action. there's a lot of focus on his potentially choosing a woman of color, but we shouldn't write off elizabeth warren. she's doing primetime television as a biden surrogate to help promote this plan. >> that has not gone unnoticed either. chuck, over to you. well, faced with a low approval rating and trailing in key battleground states, president trump's road to re-election has gotten bumpier by the day, what the battleground map looks like today, it looks a lot different than six months ago. it's not just the president who could be facing defeat in november.
he could be a huge drag on his party. that's the prediction amy walter has made, saying this election could look more like a democratic tsunami than simply a blue wave. joining me is steve kornacki, and when you think tsunamis, you know, you think frankly you think 1980. you think watergate '74. you think johnson, '64. and i have to say, you know, every day i wake up and see numbers in a place i can't believe i'm seeing these numbers. and yes, i understand why amy walter is writing what she's writing. >> yeah, definitely. i think if you look at just this number right here, it's kind of the root of all of it. this is the polling average. biden versus trump in national polls, it's basically a nine-point advantage. almost a nine-point advantage for biden over trump. and when you're looking at at least now in these polls, we'll see what happens in the next few months, but when you look at a margin that big in the popular vote, that tends to translate into coat tails. it's not an exact relationship, but what you have here is the
popular vote for the past four presidential elections. remember, clinton did not win the presidency in 2016, she did win the popular vote. what did that mean when you talked about the senate races? democrats did gain two senate seats in 2016, but there were 2. there were some close states like pennsylvania and wisconsin. if clinton had done better and won those states, possibly democrats would have had more gains in the senate. go back to 2008. that's when you have a margin in the presidential race that's like what you're seeing now. it was a big year for the democrats on the senate side. picked up eight seats. there's two levels of this. we've been talking about if biden wins, democrats need a net gain of three. they could maybe get arizona, colorado, maine. you know they make take a loss in alabama with doug jones. maybe they get north carolina. can they get to 50 or 51? if this ends up in a situation
where biden is winning the popular vote, then you're not just talking about those states. you're talking iowa, montana, kansas, georgia, a lot of other states you wouldn't have thought would be in play and suddenly they become in play. >> the important things about tsunamis, they're usually one cycle phenomenons, but they're one cycle phenomenons for a reason. either pent up problems on one party or another. it's never a long-term realignment, but boy are they impactful. steve, it gets more -- like i said we both wake up and go wow, that's in what state? as always, thank you. katie over to you. >> coming up new comments from the white house on the coronavirus. you're watching msnbc. c.ke you, my hands are everything to me. but i was diagnosed with dupuytren's contracture.
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despite a nationwide up tilk in coronavirus cases, the president said this week the united states is, quote, in a good place. peter alexander asked press secretary kaley mcenany how the president could think that given that dr. fauci said the country was knee deep in the first wave. >> hospitalizations are up 50% since mid june. how can the president say the country is in good shape?
>> with hospitalizations, in a lot of these hospitals -- i spoke with dr. birx this morning, 10 to 30% of the hospitals reaching capacity aren't covid. >> the hospital daizations are because of covid? >> a lot of it is because of elective surgeries. >> i don't even know what to say to that. chuck, i was trying to think of a -- i don't know. vice president pence talking about how the curve is flattening in arizona and texas when it's not. yeah, i mean, dr. fauci said things are really not good the other day. interestingly the coronavirus task force briefing that was held yesterday, dr. fauci wasn't there. he appeared remotely and he wasn't there to take questions from reporters. i don't know what's happening. i mean, they just seem to be denying reality and doing it for
political purposes because, if the virus isn't that bad, the economy can come back and that's what the president is running on. >> it just sounds like an answer that a press secretary has to give for an audience of one. at the end of the day it's hard to view it really at this point under any other -- the facts are clearly speaking in another direction. well, katie, thanks for having me back. that's it for us today. thank you for ftuning in. nicolle wallace and brian williams pick things up after this quick break.
good day. brian williams here with you on a busy thursday afternoon. 3:00 p.m. here in the east. noon out west. thankfully nicolle wallace will be here in just a moment. we want to look at the big headlines starting with a reminder the presidential election is a mere 117 days away. we're waiting for joe biden to appear at a metal works plant near his hometown of scranton, pa to reveal the build back better plan to revive american manufacturing. former vice president's plan includes $300 billion for research and development projects, a $400 billion federal commitment to buy american made products. biden's campaign swing s as the coronavirus pandemic breaks records. over 59,000 new cases were
diagnosed in our country yesterday. that brings the total confirmed infections to almost 3.1 million now. virus has also killed over 1,000 americans in just the past 24 hours. the death toll approaching 134,000 souls. amid the surge in cases members of the white house coronavirus task force don't appear to be on the same page when it comes to cdc guidelines for re-opening schools. they don't appear often on camera these days. yesterday they did and, when they did, vice president pence said the agency would come out next week with new loosened recommendations for re-opening schools. the president called the current cdc guidelines tough and expensive, but problem is the cdc director dr. robert redfield told the "good morning mourn america" audience the guidelines
aren't changing. >> it's important. it's not a revision of the guidelines. it's to provide additional information to help the schools use the guidance. >> as the pandemic wears on, on another front the u.s. supreme court has issued its long-awaited decisions in two cases involving donald trump's financial records making it clear the president is not above the law. in one case the justices said manhattan direct d.a. can see those records which were subpoenaed by a grand jury as part of an investigation into payments that donald trump made to two women who claim they had affairs with them. the president denied the allegations. the justices ruled in a separate decision that congress could not see many of the same records, at least not for now. the high court also sent both cases back to the lower federal courts for further review which means the matter will not be resolved before the election.
the vote in both cases was 7-2 with trump appointed justices neil gorsuch and brett kavanaugh in the majority. most telling of all president trump was not happy with the outcome launching into a twitter tirade about how this is a political persecution while also running through many of his usual grievances today. those include obama and biden. as i said, thankfully now joined by my colleague nicolle wallace. nicolle, there you have it. while the pandemic rages on, the supreme court has spoken. >> yes, and i'm not sure loosening of health regulations is anything any mom or dad wants to hear about how their children will go back to school. on the supreme court ruling i spoke to a former doj official in regular contact with the trump white house who said this was trump's worst nightmare.
he would have preferred the opposite outcome today. he pointed me to the thread that runs through trump's most well-known tirades, the sessions recusal from the russian investigation, not having his boy cohen there to protect him against criminal investigations, the rage over the mueller appointment was this exact thing. someone poking around -- remember he said in that interview with peter baker in the oval office it would be a red line for me if they start poking around in my businesses. this has always been his red line. this has always been his trigger. the supreme court decided that donald trump is not above criminal investigation and if warranted criminal prosecution. people know a lot more about this than me are joining us now. melissa murray, a law professor at new
york university, joyce
vance a former u.s. attorney in alabama, now a law professor at the university of alabama and the white house correspondent for the pbs news hour. you probably have more reporting than i hooked up -- i just heard joe biden has started to talk. we'll listen to joe biden's speech and come back to this conversation on the other side. >> congratulations president eric dean, the iron workers have been with me my entire career. the first organization to endorse me in 1972. you guys endorsed me. i was able to turn 30 by the time i got sworn in. at the time when i was elected i wasn't old enough. it's great to be home. my dad is from
dunmore and my
mom was from scranton. i want to thank bob and everyone here for showing me around. although i knew of this establishment for a long time. it's only been around 100 years. this is the kind of small manufacturing business that demonstrates that the resilience, the creativity and the staying power of the american industrial base. you know, i'm not telling you anything new, but we're living through a time unlike any other in american history. our country is facing three simultaneous crises. a pandemic that's infected over 3 million americans and cost thus far over 130,000 lives. bobby, three times a week i'm on the phone with the national folks, the docs who are heading up the cdc and other places.
the expectation is it can get as high as 200,000 before it's over. it's showing no sign of slowing down. we have an economic crisis that's left almost 18 million americans out of work. some of the greatest pain inflicted on small businesses and communities of color. a national reckoning on the issue of racism and justice that long plagued our country. it's come on top of a widening economic inequity and a mounting climate crisis. each of these crises is an enormous challenge that's testing our strength, our patience, our resilience and our commitment to our core values and a commitment to one another. each of these also presents tremendous opportunity for the nation, an opportunity to
prepare now for the future threats we know are just around the corner, an opportunity to address fundamental inequities of our nation, the growing gap between the very wealthy and everyone else. it's an opportunity to finally and fully live up to the words and the values enshrined in our founding documents of this nation. we're all created equal, or entitled to be treated equally the rest of our lives, not just created equal, to be treated equally. we all know the stakes couldn't be higher. that's why it's no time for the divisive politics we're hearing more today. donald trump may believe that pitting americans against americans will benefit him. i don't. we have a health crisis, an economic crisis, a racial
justice crisis, a climate crisis. we need to come together to solve these crises, to solve them as americans. this is our moment to imagine and to build a new american economy for our families and for our communities. an economy for every american. every american has a chance to get a fair return for the work they put in, a equal chance to get ahead. my grandpop when i lived with him in greenridge used to talk about everybody, everybody, joey, deserves a shot, just a shot. everybody. an economy that is more powerful we can build precisely because everyone will be cut in on the deal this time, as we rebuild the middle class. this time bringing everyone along, everybody. an economy that says investing
in the american people and working families is more important than the nearly $2 trillion in tax breaks predominantly handed out to the super wealthy. donald trump loves to talk and talk and talk, but after three and a half years of big promises, what do the american people have to show for all the talk? he promised a health care plan, but never even offered his own bill as he continued to try to wipe out obamacare in the middle of a pandemic. instead he's fought repeatedly to take health care away from tens of millions of people who didn't have it before and over 100 million people who are covered because they have preexisting conditions and
couldn't get covered before. he promised an infrastructure plan. we're ranked 23rd in the world in terms of our transportation infrastructure. what happened to all that? he promised to bring back jobs. manufacturing was in recession ever before covid-19. he promised to buy american. then he let federal contractors double the rate of off-shore jobs. i'm going to change that. we're going to double the foreign tax on profits so we don't encourage people to leave and build abroad. when it comes to covid-19, after months of doing nothing other than predicting the virus would disappear or maybe if you drank bleach, you may be okay, trump has simply given up.
he's waved the white flag. he's walked away. his failures come with a terrible human cost and deep economic toll. time and again working families are paying the price for this administration's incompetence. there's no other way to say it than incompetence. small businesses ended up with the short end of the stick as well. less than a third of the massive amounts of money for stimulus that the congress has passed and the federal reserve has made available to the private sesect, less than a third of it is gone to main street businesses. big businesses, the wealthy, trump's kroenys and pals, they've been the big winners. senator casey can tell you that wrote in the law there had to be
oef oversight to make sure where that money went. i'm the guy who had the responsibility of handing out $84 billion in the recovery act in the financial recession. i met once every two weeks with the inspector general. everything was open. what are we finding out now? that large chains and hotel chains and chains of restaurants, they divided the restaurants up and treated them as individual restaurants. they're already making hundreds of millions of dollars. but main street, mom and pop businesses, they didn't get the money. the truth is throughout this crisis donald trump has been almost singularly focussed on the stock market, the dow and nasdaq. not you, not your families. if i'm fortunate enough to be elected president, i'll be laser
focussed on working families, the middle class families i came from here in scranton, not the wealthy investor class. they don't need me. working families do. this may be -- should be my view and guiding principle. we must reward work as much as we rewarded wealth. now we just reward excessive wealth. growing up rich and looking down on people is a bit different than how i grew up up here. here nobody thought and understood -- nobody thought, but also knew, that wall street bankers and ceos didn't build this country. didn't build it. you can look around your neighborhood or your kitchen table and see who built this country.
it was at my grandfather finnegan's kitchen table i learned money doesn't show your worth. he would say, joey, no one in the world is superior to you and everyone is equally worthy. my dad used to have an expression. he meant it and i never understood it as well as i do now. he said a job is more than a paycheck. it's about your dignity. it's about respect. it's about your place in your community. it's about being able to look your kid in the eye and say, honey, it's going to be okay and mean it. you know, mr. president, over 56% of the american people think their kids will never, never reach the standard of living they have. folks, we know who built this
country. hard working folks like you grew up with. you know who built the middle class? unions built the middle class. that's why we have a middle class. i've taken pride in that because the only way my dad would say you deal with power is with power -- with power. i come from a corporate state of the world, delaware. the only way to deal with abuse of power is with power and labor, unions. they're the only ones that have the capacity to do it. if that's raining outside, come on in, guys. i don't want anybody out there. are you guys in the rain? is that not rain?
i thought that was rain. it is. you guys can come on in. don't stay out there. look, determination, resilience and grit, the strength to get up no matter how many times you get knocked down, respect for hard work and for the people who do it, these are the values i grew up with and all of you have grown up with. these are the values i'll take with me to the oval office. i'll get more help for main street businesses and entrepreneurs and ask more of corporate american. half of the jobs in america are small business jobs. as back as early as may, some estimates found that more than 100,000 small businesses have been permanently shut down. more have closed and it's been devastating.
enough is enough. it's time to reverse the priorities in this country. it's time to help small businesses, middle class folks manage their way through the pandemic. let's help millions of would be entrepreneurs get out from under their debts so they can start businesses. it's time corporate america paid their fair share of taxes. we thought in our administration we should lower the tax to 28%. i they lowered it to 21%. i'll raise it back up to 28% to provide hundreds of billions of dollars to invest in the growth of this country. the days of amazon paying nothing in federal income tax will be over. let's make sure the workers have the power and the voice. it's way past time we put an end to the era of share holder
capitali capitalism. they have a responsibility to their workers, their community, to their country. that isn't a new or radical notion. these are basic principles that helped build this nation in the first instance. now the challenge is to take these fundamental values and apply them to a new economy. we have to build in the years ahead. folks, it's not sufficient to build back. we have to build back better. that's what my plan is -- build back better. it's bold. it's practical. it's focussed on the other habu economy for the future, not the past. it responds to the five truths. the first is we've seen in the course of the pandemic we need
to strengthen our industrial base as long-term sources of middle class job creation. let's use this opportunity to take bold investments in american industry and innovation so the future is made in america, all in america. i do not accept a defeatist view that forecasts automation and global saigs means we can't keep well-paying jobs in america and create more of them. i don't buy that the vitality of american manufacturing is a thing of the past. america manufacturing was the functioning arsenal of democracy in world war ii. it has to be part of the engine of new prosperity in america. today i'm releasing a blueprint on how to create million of good paying union jobs, building
technologies we need now and need in the future. when we spend tax payers money, when the federal government spends tax payers' money, we should use it to buy american products and support american jobs. many plan would tighten the rules to make this a reality. during my first term, we'll invest $400 billion in purchasing products and materials our country needs to modernize our infrastructure, replenish our critical stockpiles and enhance national security. that's how much the federal government will spend on buying products, the federal government. these funds will provide reliable, predictable demands for products made by american workers and supply chains like this one right here for the american industries. we'll purchase clean energy
technologies, fight climate change, building materials including steel products, stockpiles of critical goods and equipment and advanced technologies to modernize our government and enhance our national security to ensure the future is made in america. we need to win not just the jobs of today, we have to invest in the jobs and industries of tomorrow. the chinese are spending billions of dollars trying to own the technology of the future while we sit with our thumb in our ear. it means fighting unfair trade practices, curbing the threat of intellectual property by countries like china. america can't sit on the sidelines in the race for the future. that's why i'm proposing a research and development investment of $300 billion in my first year to sharpen america's competitive edge in the new
industries like battery technology, artificial intelligence, bio technology, clean energy. that's the future. this money will be used purposefully to ensure all of america is in on the deal, including communities that have been historically left out -- black, brown, native american entrepreneurs. all told, this will be a mobilization of procurement investment in ways not seen since the great depression and world war ii. in addition to bringing back the jobs lost this year, my plan will help create at least 5 million, 5 million, new good-paying jobs in manufacturing, in innovation, create them right here in the united states of america. the second thing we've seen the importance of a more resilient
economy for the long term. our president wasn't prepared for this pandemic. he ignored the detailed briefings and warning that our administration left behind, the threat of a pandemic we told him was coming. he gave -- we gave all this to his administration in transition. he shut it all down. he shut down the pandemic office we had inside the white house. he praised the chinese government even as the government was coming to our shores because he was so afraid they would walk away from his trade deal that cost us significant amounts of money as well. let's not get caught flat-footed again. let's get prepared to meet the challenges of the climate crisis. that means investing in infrastructure, clean energy, creating millions of good paying union jobs. next week aisle lay out an updated blueprint of how we can
build a modern infrastructure and the clean energy economy and how to make sure communities that have suffered the most from pollution are the first to benefit from this investment. how to strengthen the union movement, how to make sure unions are building america, just like they built the middle class. third thing, we've seen in this pandemic the immense burden on working parents, especially women. they're carrying as if -- they find themselves in a position where they're working. they're attempting to work. they're attempting to take care of their children who are young and at the same time their aging parents who need help and are suffering from disabilities. it's been especially hard in this crisis. let's face it, it's always hard. let's make it easier to afford child care and care for our aging relatives, our moms and our dads. let's offer more pay and more economic dignity to american
workers, often women, often women of color who are caring for our youngest and oldest at the same time. donald trump has no idea what it's like to be a single parent who is barely getting by. he doesn't have a clue what it's like to provide for an aging parent. it's understanding, but it's unconscionable that he doesn't try to understand the struggling of so many millions of people out there. like a lot of you -- i'll bet there's a lot of you in the audience, including the press, you understand it personally. i understand it. i know how hard it is to be a single dad who has to work with two young sons at home. i know what it means to bring your aging parents into your home in the last months of their lives and care for them as well.
i've done both. i had great help. i have a really close family. i was a u.s. senator making $42,000 a year at the time. i've done both. it's hard. so much harder for millions of americans trying to make ends meet. in the weeks ahead i'll be laying out a plan to mobilize american talent and hearts to build a 21st century care giving and education workforce. the fourth thing we've seen is millions of american workers of small businesses, business owners, put their lives on the line to keep their county -- their country going. we need to treat these folks and their families as essential, not just in times of crisis, but all times. we call these folks essential workers. the blinders have been taken off the american people. those who could afford to stay at home and stay in place, they
look out there and realize there's that grocery store clerk stacking the shelves. there's that nurse's aide trying to find protective gear to take care of someone on a ventilator. there's that truck driver. there's that mail delivery person, the essential workers. you see the ads where we clap for them. first responders. it's time we not only clap for them. it's time we pay them. the idea that everyone isn't worth at least a minimum of $15 an hour or spend time with frontline workers and tell them they shouldn't have the right to organize and become part of a union. organize for better pay, for paid leave, for benefits, for working conditions where we insist that they have safe and sanitary conditions to work in. maybe it is possible for him to
ignore it, but i can't. i won't. it's not enough to praise these workers. we need to pay them. let's finish the job of obamacare by ensuring everyone has access to affordable health care. let's lower the drugs of prescription drugs and provide public options to the millions of americans without health care. let's make everyone -- make sure everyone has access to a good education regardless of zip code. let's triple the amount of money we spend on title i schools. you have 18 title i schools in scranton and dunmore. that means there's low tax bases. so they have trouble keeping teachers. i would triple the amount of money we spend there from $15 billion a year to $45 billion. raising the salaries of teachers
in those schools to $65,000 a year. making sure every child 3, 4 and 5 years old can go to school. every study shows that increases the chance by 58% that that child will go all the way through and graduate. imagine what a big difference it will make. because of this pandemic everyone has renewed appreciation on just how hard our teachers work, how important their job is. let's give them the resources and support they need to get through this crisis and empower the next generation of american ground breakers. let's pay them. these aren't somebody else's children. they're all our children. they're the children -- those children are the kite strings that hold our national am by