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this sunday, a special edition. the covid crisis >> it is truly -- we haven't begun to see the end of it yet. >> cases soaring. >> our hospitals are overwhelmed. we have seven hospitals that are at maximum capacity right now in miami-dade alone >> it's tough. i get pretty -- emotional about this >> testing slow. >> delays in testing and inadequate testing are making people sicker, are making the
outbreaks bigger, and leading to more deaths. >> more states and businesses demanding people wear masks. >> if we can get everybody to wear a mask, i think over the next six to eight weeks we could bring this epidemic under control. >> many still refusing. >> this doesn't make sense why are we wearing masks to be outside? >> the amount of people who don't think they need to do something is enormous. >> president trump continuing to deny the reality on the ground as states like georgia set new case records. >> georgia's been a great example of a state that's done it all right >> demanding schools reopen in person despite the risk. >> we have to open the schools we have to get them open. >> when he says open, he means open in full the science should not stand in the way of this. >> why does the u.s. trail the industrialized world in controlling the virus? are things about to get worse? and what can we do now to emerge from this crisis plus, the passing of an american hero. >> if you see something that is
not right, fair, unjust, you have to do something >> remembering john lewis, civil rights leader, congressman, the conscience of a nation welcome to sunday and a special edition of "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd good sunday morning. america today is mourning the passing of the civil rights lewis died friday night at the icon, moral leader, and congressman john lewis lewis died friday night at the age of 80 after a battle with pancreatic cancer. among the countless tributes came this one from his housero colleague james clyburn. >> the country lost a hero last night. the movement lost an icon. and i lost a personal friend >> we will have much more on the life of john lewis including an interview with congressman clyburn later in the broadcast, but we are going to begin with our failure to confront the
coronavirus pandemic it was a month ago amid concerns just a month ago rising case numbers that vice of rising case numbers that vice president mike pence wrote an op-ed saying, such panic is overblown, we are winning the fight against an invisible enemy. no, we're not. we average the w.h.o.'s case numbers from monday to friday of this past week france averaged 455 new cases. germany, averaged 408 new cases. italy, 182 and the united states? nbc news recorded an average of 69,060 new cases per day with the country topping 70,000 new cases two of the past three days does that sound as if we're winning this fight how did this happen? we are the richest country in human history with an unmatched medical infrastructure and a literate, educated populous. yet today we stand uniquely helpless among industrialized
countries in the fight against covid-19 a world that once looked up to us to do the impossible now averts its eyes over our failure to do the possible in this special edition of "meet the press" i will talk to dr. francis collins, head of the national institutes of health in his first broadcast interview. two medical experts, two governors and an educator to trace how we got to where we are and where we go from here, and we begin with the alarming reality that the united states finds itself on the wrong side of this death struggle >> government is not going to be the answer to all people's problems >> georgia governor brian kemp suing to block atlanta's mask requirement. >> it is really a distraction from what the real enemy is here and that enemy is this virus that's killing people in our city. >> georgia is just one of 18 states in the so-called red zone identified by the white house coronavirus task force and a report sent to the states, but not made public.
the report recommends georgia mandates statewide wearing of cloth-faced coverings outside the home around the country, new cases are surging up to 75,000 on friday with 41 states seeing an increase over the last two weeks. now in some of the worst-hit states, death records are also being set daily. >> when you're on a hamster wheel and a lot of people die, it's tiring. >> 28 states and the district of columbia now require masks outside the home >> folks, the numbers just do not lie. i am announcing a statewide, mandatory mask wearing. >> but some governors are still resisting. >> i got tested yesterday for covid-19, and the results came back positive. >> in light of your diagnosis, are you considering or are you thinking about a mask mandate now? >> not thinking about a mask mandate at all >> the top nine u.s. brick and mortar retailers now require
masks in their stores, but on friday mr. trump made it clear that he will not call for a national mask requirement. >> i want people to have a certain freedom, and i don't believe in that. no and i don't agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask everything disappears >> just 37% of voters approve of how president trump has handled this virus, down eight points since march. in an interview with a georgia tv station on wednesday president trump continued to paint an alternative reality. >> we want the schools open and georgia has been a great example of the state that's done it all right. it's a special place, great people and they've done really well with the virus. >> when he means open, he means open in full kids being able to attend each and every day at the school. the science should not stand in the way of this. >> the divide between trump loyalists and public health experts escalated into a character assault about dr. fauci by two of mr. trump's closest aides. trade adviser peter navarro published an op-ed calling fauci wrong about everything
dan scovino shared this cartoon on social media by a cartoonist whose work was criticized for anti-semitic imagery >> what happened with peter navarro and that editorial, i can't comment on that, that just is beyond my comprehension why he did that. but i do not believe the white house is trying to discredit me. >> while mr. trump insists he has a good relationship with fauci, on friday he again singled him out for criticism. >> dr. fauci said don't wear a mask our surgeon general, terrific guy, don't wear a mask everybody said don't wear a mask, all of a sudden everybody's got to wear a mask >> joining me now for his first broadcast interview during his pandemic is dr. francis collins, the director of the national institutes of health it is worth noting he is technically anthony fauci's boss dr. collins, welcome to "meet the press. let me ask the basic first question that i've asked a number of people that are in this coronavirus task force over the last couple of weeks why are we doing so poorly compared to the rest of the industrialized world in combatting this virus? >> well, good morning, chuck
i am wearing a mask, and i have worn it since i left my home to come here to our little studio at nih, but since we're talking and the only other person in the room is at least ten feet away. i'll take it off during the interview, and i didn't want anybody to think that we take masks as something optional to people who want to protect themselves and people around them why are we doing so poorly it's the case that when you compare our experience with europe which your numbers just did, we basically did a good job in new york and new jersey and connecticut with that terrible crisis that happened and took many lives which, we should never pass by without saying what a terrible tragedy that has been basically, steps were put into place. if you see what's happening now in those areas, they came down very close to zero meanwhile, the rest of the country, perhaps imagining this was just a new york problem, kind went about their business
didn't really pay that much attention to cdc's recommendations about the phases necessary to open up safely. and jumped over some of those hoops and people started congregating and not wearing masks and feeling like it's over and it's summer, maybe it will go 70,000 new cases almost every day and from my perspective quite concerning the number of hospitalizations which are close to being as high in the country as iba so, yeah, we have to double down here, and i hope today, chuck, we can talk about things that bring us together, not things that divide us we americans are pretty good at rising to a crisis we've got one now, let's see what we can do together. >> well, that's the question can this be done without federal leadership >> i think basically we americans are individuals and if given the appropriate information, and if it's not confused by a lot of other conspiracy theories, we're capable of figuring out what to
do if we want to see this current surge and it's a real surge to turn around, as you just heard from the head of the cdc, all americans need to recognize it's up to us wear a mask when you're out of your house that is protecting other people from you, because you might than person who's infected and doesn't know it yet and is spreading virus around do the social distancing thing. don't congregate in groups especially not indoors do the hand washing. we can turn this around and we don't have to wait for some serious high-level edict to say so this just makes common sense, at this point it just ought to be something we all do. >> all right you just referenced the cdc director i don't mean to nitpick on this, but the president directly contradicted it and even said, i don't think he's right about that, that if everybody wore a mask how do you get us rowing in the same direction if you have that high level of a contradiction? >> well, it is bizarre that we have turned mask wearing into
something political. imagine you were an alien coming to the planet earth and looking around and looking at the scientific data and going place to place, looking to see who's wearing masks. you would be totally astounded, puzzled, amazed. you'd wonder, what is going on here how could it be that something as basic as a public health action that we have very strong evidence can help seems to attach to people's political party? for starters, can we walk away from that and say, this is about all of us? we're americans. we're pretty good at rising to a challenge, a crisis. we've done so before in wartime. this is not a war, but in a certain way it is, against the enemy, which is called the virus. that virus is very sneaky and stealthy and our best chance is for all of us to get together and do the right thing and stop fighting so much about the divide between different political perspectives which is just getting in the way. >> let me ask you this, should americans be concerned that the advice that does come out of the task force is somehow getting watered down by political
pressure >> well, i'm part of the task force. i join those meetings. the vice president presides over them there's a very thoughtful exchange of information. dr. birx presents the latest data in terms of what's happening across the country we debate many things and there's a lot of work about how best we can distribute resources that are needed. right now trying to figure out, for instance, how remdesivir this drug we know can help people who are really sick in the hospital, gets to the people who need it. that is not getting disported in any way. that basically is going forward and the actions decided during the task force meeting it is no longer, of course, coming to the press room for a big press briefing, but the work of the task force goes on. >> let's talk about the issue of testing. there's a report this morning that the white house is pushing back on a congressional proposal that would add more money to your budget, by the way. more money to states for testing and contact tracing. are you guys in the task force
recommending less money to states for testing and contact tracing? >> the task force, as far as i know, has not been engaged in that particular debate about funding in this next congressional supplement that's under serious consideration in the congress. and there's always this back and forth between white house and congress when it comes to appropriations process, and apparently the opening bid from the white house was a bit surprising certainly for many of us who were certainly hoping to see more in the way of support. but this is one of those things that will play out over the course of the coming days. let's see where it ends up >> what can the federal government do right now to improve the testing lag issue? okay we're still -- you can make an argument we need to do more testing, a lot of people are making that argument but the real problem, and i've had my own family members had to wait five to seven days to get the result that becomes useless at some point if you're asymptomatic
what do we do to fix that? >> so good we're getting to the science i like this part, chuck. the average test delay is too long you're absolutely right. it averages around three days and in some places it's a week and that undercuts the value of the testing. you do the testing to find out who's carrying the virus and quickly get them isolated so they don't spread it around. it's very hard to make that work when there's a long delay built in so what are we doing the science of this is very critical nih is deeply engaged in an effort to try to develop an additional array of tests that can be done in what we call point of care. most of the tests being done right now, you have to have the swab and you send it off to a central laboratory there's time there in order to do the delivery of the sample. then they have to do the testing. they're kind of backed up, it ticks awhile to come back. we need to get a things that are more on the spot and actually there's a number of new technologies that are coming along and look promising in that space. we need to invest a lot of money
the government and the government is willing to do so in scaling those up. just this week, you might know we will be sending to about 700 or 800 nursing homes these point of care tests, the ones that have just gotten fda approval, so that in a place that is clearly very high risk, people walking into their shift will find out if they have the virus. they find out in less than an hour it's not like you have to wait that's the kind of thing we need more of. that's the kind of thing that i along with many others are working on night and day to do a better job of this you're right we have to come up with a better turnaround time. >> let me ask you a couple of questions on the vaccine first of all, this hacking issue, apparently the russians were behind, was nih targeted? did you guys lose any key information? >> it's not entirely clear to me what this was all about. we certainly are deeply engaged in this vaccine effort the vaccine that's about to have its phase 3 trial started in the next ten days or so was
initially designed a few hundred yards from where i am right now at nih we are always under cyber attacks of various sorts and most of what we do in science we publish it, we put it out there. people don't have to go hacking to find it we're about transparency and i'm not exactly sure what serious risk is involved here. mischief, yes, but serious risk, i'm not so sure. >> what's your greater concern on vaccine the ability to distribute it or rush to a vaccine may make it unsafe fear from the populace that a rush to a vaccine may make it unsafe i think all of those are significant concern, but let's look at the positive side here, chuck. this has been an amazing trajectory that you've been on only in january was it clear that this was a virus that might spread to the rest of the world within a day or two after getting the genome sequence.d t
our colleagues started to design a vaccine, which just 62 days later was being injected into the first phase 1 trial participants that data which was published three days ago looks extremely good that this vaccine was able to generate high levels of neutralizing antibodies in virtually everybody who got it we're on a good path here. and we will, by the way, need, as we go into this phase of recruiting people for clinical trials, need people to sign up can i make a pitch to the people watching this. watching this? if you want to be a part of this next phase of figuring out how the vaccines work, all you have to do is go to the website, it's a long url work, all you've got to do is go a website. it's a long url called coronaviru coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org about a thousand people have indicated their interest by registering for this and you might then get called especially if you're in one of the sites where we're do the recruiting, especially in places where the
virus is spreading, mostly in the south. come on, y'all, take part in this we need people of higher risk, the african-americans, latinos, come on, y'all >> final question, dr. collins, has anybody at the white house asked you to demote or fire dr. fauci, and if they did, would you do it? >> nobody has asked me to do that, and i find that concept unimaginable i am amused everybody's calling me dr. fauci's boss, because his real boss is his wife christine grady, she might have something to say about that. >> dr. francis collins, head of the national institutes of health, i appreciate you coming on i know it's not an easy situation that you're in, but it's important that the public hear from you, so thank you for doing this, sir. >> thanks a lot, chuck it's nice to be with you. >> you got it. when we come back, i'll talk to two governors, one democrat and one republican, and how they're handling the sharp increase in covid cases in their states colorado's jared pole less and ohio's mike dewine are next.
welcome back as we mentioned earlier, 41 states have seen an increase in cases in recent weeks. among them is colorado, where governor jared polis mandated a statewide mask mandate, and governor mike dewine of ohio put 60% of his state's residents under a mask order both jared polis and mike dewine join me now. governor polis, i'd like to start with you cases have been on the rise in colorado since the middle of june why this week? why not sooner what took so long? >> you know, before we had the mask requirement we had about 60% of our state under municipal or county mask requirements. but what we realized that we needed was clarity of message. you're in colorado you're visiting colorado. we're a mask-wearing state this kind of statement really provides that in terms of requiring masks statewide. the other thing we found, chuck, this is interesting in our state. in the areas that had mask requirements had 15% to 20% more mask wearing than the areas of our state that hadn't taken that simple step, and we found that
those areas with mask wearing had less spread of the virus in our state. so based on those two data points it was a clear course of action to take it statewide. >> you had been a little hesitant both, i remember, in the stay-at-home order and with the mask, both times wondering how enforceable these things are. and you came around to both of them let me ask you this, how enforceable is your mandate? >> i think any governor, democrat or republican, should be hesitant to do any of these things i think people want a governor that is going to hesitate and double-check things before they do any of these overarching orders that no governor ever wants to do. there's a number of ways local municipalities have enforced it. one of the things that allows our businesses and retailers and grocers to do is that if somebody is trying to trespassp without a mask and they asked him to leave nicely and they without a mask and they ask them to leave nicely and they don't, they can call upon local law enforcement for trespassing to remove them from the store so they're not threatening and endangering the employees and other customers.
>> what explanation do you have for the new rise in cases in your state what are your health officials telling you? >> first of all, i'm proud that colorado is doing better than some of the hot spot states in the sunbelt. we need to do better than we're doing because cases are going up that's clear america as a whole is not doing well people are lapsing in their caution, right they're lapsing in their need to engage in social distancing. as you know, chuck, masks are not a substitute for social distancing we can't live the way we did in january plus masks, that won't work we need to not have large get-togethers, party, groups and make the deliberate effort to stay six feet away from others a lot of people wished and we all wished that this had been past us. go back to normal. i think people are waking up to the fact that we have to be very careful in our everyday lives and take social distancing and mask wearing very seriously to be able to get through this. >> what's the explanation for why colorado -- why does your state -- you only, according to
our covid tracking project, you only beat ten other states when it comes to testing. >> there's a lot of other states that are testing more per capita than you are what is that about >> i would say generally the states that have the highest caseload are going to have the highest testing and the highest positives, probably also the highest negatives. we have, for several weeks, a major free testing site that denver runs at the pepsi center, home of the broncos. we also have about 48 free community testing sites across the state where anybody, no questions asked, no insurance questions or anything else, can get tested >> yeah, but are you getting these tests back fast enough th you've got to it seems as if the inability to -- you've got to saturate testing and get them fast move and do the contact tracing do you have that up and running in colorado? >> so the national testing scene is a complete disgrace so every test we send out to private lab partners nationally,
quest labcorp, seven days, eight days, nine days, six if we're lucky. almost useless from an epidemiological or diagnostic perspective. fortunately our state lab has done yeoman's work we're running three shifts, 24 hours a day. so while some are still sent out of state and unfortunately, that takes a long time and we can't count on it and our country needs to get testing right, we are trying to build that testing capacity in colorado to process tests in that one to two-day turnarou turnaround, and we're able to do 2,000, 3,000 a day, even more with our private lab partners in state like uc health >> it's july 19th though you're still trying to get testing up and running and getting it quicker you just mentioned the federal problems that you had and the private lab issues do you think this -- you think you can realistically reopen schools without getting this testing situation under control? >> well, whether schools reopen in a particular area has more to do with whether there is a hot spot or outbreak in that area and also with the precautions
that those schools are taking. in colorado we have some districts that have delayed the start of school for a couple of weeks, others are beginning with a hybrid model but many of our districts are going back as planned, as northerly, taking the precautions health experts and scientists recommend, including keeping cohorts isolated, meaning individual classes don't interact with other classes during recess. the state is sending medical-grade masks to teachers. every school district will get teachers and faculty that face students -- school clerks, et cetera -- they're going to be getting medical quality masks from the state, along with any additional masks or protective equipment that our districts have purchased >> governor polis, thank you joining from us boulder, colorado, this morning thank you. let me turn to governor dewine governor, you have 60% of your state under a mask ordinance if somebody drives onto the ohio turnpike and pull off, you may not know what county you're in,
whether there's a county ordinance. i ask it this way becaus governor, would it be simpler to have one standard for the state when it comes to masks i understand a different standard on restaurants and businesses on the mask front, why all of these different mandates depending on the county you're driving in >> first of all, chuck, we ohioans have done very well. we flattened the curve very early. ohioans did what they needed to do when we reopened we were one of the first states in put in place a very sophisticated policy about how to reopen and that included a mask requirement for every employee as far as customers now coming in, as you've pointed out, we are at 60% frankly, we've seen that go up as our counties have turned red. we're going the wrong way. we are at a crucial time and so this week you may see a lot more counties under that mask requirement. so we certainly would not rule out going statewide.
we are certainly looking at that, but there's a lot of things going on. and one of the things that we've tried to do, we are running tv ads, we'll start a new ad this coming week, we'll preview it on tuesday. really in the message is that you wear the mask for other people you wear the mask to protect your grandmother and so it's not just the orders. the orders are obviously important, but getting people td buy in and to understand, getting a 20-year-old to understand that he or she may feel invulnerable. nothing will happen to them, but they may get it, they may not know they have it, they may go home and see their grandmother, she may get it and end up dying. that's the message we're trying to get out across the state of ohioit, though, >> isn't, though, your message diluted if you don't mandate it? look, let me ask it this way because you're getting a lot of
criticism on the right on the mandates, on the idea of mandates -- and i know there's protests about mask wearing in front of your offices and residences i think there was one planned for today in columbus. are you letting that pressure sort of keep you from issuing a statewide order? if you know you're about to put more counties on red alert in a couple of days, why wait >> i don't think anybody in ohio what has watched what i've done over the last four month doubts i'll do what i need to do to protect ohioans i gave a speech wednesday night which basically said to the people of ohio, look, we are at a crucial stage. we are at the point where we could become florida you look at our numbers today versus where florida was a month ago, we have very similar numbers. so we're very, very concerned. it's not just about masks, though though. we went out and talked to all on a phone call this week
we went out and talked to all -- on a phone call this week talked on our health departments and here's where they report back and here's where it's occurring. it's occurring in bars and it's occurring in churches. it's occurring from people who have traveled out of state, but a lot of it, frankly, is just people in casual settings. 20, 30, 40, 50 people gathering together and so it's not all about orders orders are important, but it's also about getting people to understand, hey, this is very, very serious and now while we did a great job early on in ohio, we are now headed in the wrong direction and frankly, i'm very, very concerned about that. so we're going to move ahead - >> let me ask you this -- >> chuck, you will see more orders from us this week, but again, i want to emphasize it's not all about orders you have to get people to come along with you if you do this. >> right no, i get that i get that let me ask a bigger-picture question do you have confidence in the president and this coronavirus task force right now given the fact that we're basically right back to square one
>> i think people look, frankly, to the governors historically we've looked to historically we've looked to governors to deal with crisis whether it's a tornado damage and whether it's a flood pandemic we look to governors, and so you know, what this administration has been able to provide us and the congress has provided us and we thank both of them is the money. we will continue to need money for testing. as i look at where we go in ohio, we've doubled the testing in the last five weeks frankly, chuck, we need to double it again. we can only do that with money coming in from the federal government and it has to be for a long period of time. we're not going to be out of this in a month, two months, or three months. >> i understand you say people look to their governors, but you sort of ducked the question. do you have confidence in the president and his leadership on this virus right now? >> i have confidence in the administration we are on the phone every week, every governor, democrats and republicans, sometimes twice a week, with the vice president. the vice president has been
doing an absolutely phenomenal job in leading that and of course, the president just delegated that to the vice president. any time i've asked, look, we need something we need to try to get more reagents, we need to get the fda moving every single time i've asked the president or vice president, they've come through getting into a discussion, and trying to figure out, okay, is it the president or whatever it is -- this is not about politics this is, frankly, getting the job done every single day and all of the governors are fighting to get it done. >> well, you have to launch an ad campaign to convince people to wear a mask if the president of the united states said wear a mask, would you need to run that ad campaign >> well, he wore a mask this past week so we were very thankful for that and very happy that he wore a mask and said that, you know, people should wear a mask. so, look, it's no different than anything else. in this country we are not used to wearing masks fran and i were on a trade mission to japan a few months
ago, and a lot of people wear masks. it's more the culture. in this culture, we're not in the culture to do that so what we have to do so people need to understand it's not just about them, that when they walk into a store it's important for them to wear that mask for somebody else and that's why we run the ads. and they're all ohioans talking to other ohioans saying, look, we've got to do this together. ohioans have done well people are getting weary across this country people are weary about staying home and they want to get out and i understand that. our message is you can get out and participate in the economy, but please be careful. don't do things that just don't make any sense and that's the message that we keep trying to bring across to the people of ohio >> governor dewine, republican governor from ohio as always, sir, thank you for coming on and expressing your perspective with us. much appreciate it when we come back, in the last week, 15 states set new case records nine states set one-day death
welcome back joining me now are three people who many have turned to during the pandemic dr. osterholm is the director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. dr. joneigh khaldun, chief medical executive for michigan's department of health. dr. wayne frederick, president of howard university and a reminder, he is one of the few university presidents who is also an m.d. welcome to you all dr. osterholm, let me start with you. is there any way we avoid what
some people thought was alarmist a few weeks ago when dr. fauci said he was worried about 100,000 cases a day. is it inevitable at this point that that's where we're headed in a couple of weeks >> well, to put it into perspective, again, we look at where we've been we have probably infected 7% to 8% of the u.s. population to date that's it. for all the pain, suffering, death, economic disruption, that's it. as we talked about on this very show this virus won't slow down, let alone stop transmission, until we get to 50%, 60% to put that into perspective, chuck, if we had 65,000 to 75,000 cases a day for the next 365 days, it would just begin to get to us that level so we have a lot of human wood to burn in this coronavirus forest fire. and, you know, we may see ups and downs in communities where people do take more concern for a moment because of the severe problems but i think it's not only likely that we'll see much more than 100,000, but i don't think
people understand, if we don't change our ways, we are in for the next year of those very kinds of numbers >> dr. khaldoon, i know that the scientific and medical advice is essentially, we've got to do a reset and maybe go back to the shutdown and maybe do it right a little bit better than we did the last time. can you imagine the political will in michigan to do that again? >> i'm very proud of the people in michigan. i'm proud of governor witmer she has from day one listened to the data, listened to the science. but i'm very concerned very concerned people are making simple things like mask wearing political. i am concerned that people are gathering in these large groups. there are many people across the country where we heard of a bar where over 150 cases of people with covid-19 and people are gathering. but i'm confident that michig
michiganders can do it again we brought that curve down so i'm confident we can do that again. >> you see that it's coming back up do you have a sense of why do you think -- dr. khaldun, do you think it's younger folks laxing on the requirements or is there something else going on? >> like i said, we saw our case, come down significantly after march and april. what we are seeing now is as we started reopening the economy, we're seeing all kinds of cases of people gathering -- churches, bars, people having these house parties. we're seeing some outbreaks associated with migrant farmworkers, as well there are multiple reasons why we're seeing an uptick what i can say is the demographic has also changed before june, most of the cases we were seeing were in people over the age of 50 now the top age group for new cases in the 20 to 29 age group. so that's something we're concerned about. >> dr. frederick, you and i have talked quite a bit since the start of the pandemic, and early on you were optimistic about
howard university developing its own tests, and you were going to create almost a bubble on your campus announcement of the hybrid situation. are you confident that you'll have the testing capabilities that you thought you might have three or four months california go >> yeah, i am. later this week we hope to sign an mou with a company that i will leave unnamed for now, but they are going to help us stand up a clear lab at howard university where we'll be able to do our testing internally that will allow for us to have a very good turnaround time. however, with respect to a bubble, we have to be realistic that we're bringing students from 46 states and 71 countries. obviously there are travel bans in place and u.s. embassies are not necessarily issuing visas so international students may have a difficulty in returning. bringing people from hot spots, and having students tested before they come and self-quarantine prior to their
trips as well. and obviously making tests available on campus. so you're right. i'm still optimistic about it, but i do recognize that there are challenges especially with what's taken place in the country as a whole >> dr. osterholm, this debate about reopening schools. let's go data driven here. what is the best data to follown on these decision-makings, whether you're opening a campus like dr. frederick or an elementary school? >> well, i can tell you right now that schools across this country do not have the resources to open this fall with the personnel, the protection, et cetera, that they need. we have surely sent money to the school districts from the federal government, but it's far, far too little, it's inadequate, and it's not arriving in time and so i think that we're going to have some real challenges there are legitimate concerns in any community right now where you have a hot spot. how can you even begin to think about physically opening schools?
distance learning, surely, could be something you can consider. still, we have concerns about the protection of teachers we have to understand that that is in itself still a really hot issue. we do know that students transmit more than we once thought that they did, so we have to address that at the same time, we know that we have to educate our kids. this is critical and particularly the younger age group, k-8 distance learning just does not work i think we have to, first of all, drive down the decision-making to the local school district level. they're the experts, they know what they can do those teachers want to go to work those school districts want to have school. we just have to make sure we get them the resources to do that and know there isn't a simple anybody. anybody who has the right answer on this topic doesn't have the answer the wrong answers are driving it down from the national level, saying, this is what you must do, and not providing the resources these school districts need they need it now desperately
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welcome back. welcome back john lewis who died on friday was often called the conscience of the congress, representing atlanta for over 30 years and seen as a moral leader by his fellow democrats and republicans. republicans. he was the last surviving speaker of the 1963 march on washington. >> we don't want our freedom gradually, but we want to be he was the last surviving speaker of the 1963 march on washington. >> we don't want our freedom gradually, but we want to be free now >> years later he led more than 600 peaceful protesters across the edmund pettus bridge only to be beaten in bloody sunday lewis suffered a fractured skull.
we've been kneeling, we've been knocked down they started beating us with night sticks and trampled us with horses and released the tear gas. >> in the years since, lewis was joined by bipartisan lawmakers in a symbolic march across that bridge to mark the anniversary lewis' last public appearance was last month when he visited the black lives matter mural in washington just outside the white house. >> i continue to say to the young people if you see something that is not right, fair, or just, you've got to do something. >> congressman john lewis was 80 years old. his longtime friend and colleague, congressman jim clyburn, joins me when we come back
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welcome back congressman james clyburn and john lewis knew each other for 60 years and they served together for 27 years in the house of representatives yesterday i spoke to congressman clyburn about his close friend and i began talking about lewis' last public appearance at the black lives matter plaza in washington, d.c. >> we talked about how surprised we were at the breakthrough thah black lives matter had it reminded us a little bit of our breakthrough back in the 1960s, and the thing that we talked about was the fear that
this movement as successful as it was being could very well be jeopardized. be john and i were always talking about how the sit-in movement got taken away from us sit-in m go how we woke up one morning and all of the headlines were burn, baby burn, how people lost sight of our purpose and we were very concerned that it would happen again which was the reason i spoke out so forcefully when people were chasing the headline of defund the police i did not want to see the success of this movement be taken away with that so john and i talked about that because we always felt that we could have been much more
successful back in the '60s if we had not allowed headlines to get in the way of headway. >> it's been interesting to see so many people from both sides of the aisle, but i want to focus here a lot of republicans have gone out of their way and i think it's been meaningful and heartfelt. it's there you know, explain to me, john lewis never seemed to -- i guess he couldn't taste bitter he never was bitter, and it seems that he would open his arms to anybody that asked no matter how checkered their past might be on race relations >> that's quite true, and john often got in some uncomfortable moments because he was just so kind to everybody. he really, really believed that he should live out the scripture. he was a minister. i'm a preacher kid, but we mini.
i'm a preacher kid, but talked scripture a lot he internalized so much of the goodness. you know, a lot of people talk about a tribute and there's a tribute saying and i don't think he ever made it, because i can't find it, that america is great because it's people of good. if the people of america ever cease to be good, america will cease to be great.ll cease to be john personified the goodness of this country, and i do believe that that's what the fight is all about now. restoring america's goodness john believed in that, and i really think that we will honor him, and we should honor him by creating a new voting rights act to replace the 1965 act that was gutted by the supreme court decision in shelby v. holder
seven years ago. the supreme court gave us a roadmap. we followed that roadmap. >> right. >> so when i get back i'm going to ask the leadership of the house to consider re-introducing that bill that passed since hr-4, i believes re-introducing that bill, name it the john r. lewis voting rights act of 2020 and let's send it over to the senate and then mitch mcconnell and the president can demonstrate the real respect for the life and legacy of john lewis by passing that bill in the senate and the president signing it and let's have our election this year in honor of john robert lewis. >> it would be quite a 2020 achievement in his name. i want to talk about the different ways people want to honor him. a lot of people and you've seen it already on social media it's time for the edmund pettus bridge, for that name to change. there's been different debates
there's been different deb about that let it be named after a segregationist and a racist. let people understand that, but now a let of people think it is time to name it after john lewis. where are you, sir >> i think i would talk a nice pictu >> i think i would talk a nice picture of that bridge with pettus' name on it put it in a museum somewhere and dedicate it to the confederacy and rename that bridge anddedicy and rena repaint it, redecorate the john r. lewis bridge. i believe that will give the se rally around. i believe that people of selma something to rally around i believe that would make a statement for people in this country that do -- we do believe in that pledge, that vision of this country that's in the last phrase of the pledge, "with liberty and justice for all. >> john lewis' friend and colleague, james clyburn that's all for today thank you for watching
please wear a mask and stay safe and remember, if it's sunday it's "meet the press." thanks for being with us here tonight very happy to have you here. our guest tonight is mary l. trump. the niece of the current president of the united states when the president's, what is it, 54th national security adviser, john bolton, sought earlier this year to publish his book about his time in the trump white house, you may recall there were lots of threats from the white house and from the president personally, there was a concerted legal effort including anne esffort by the u department of justice to try to stop john bolton from publishing that book. that's the kind of thing this attorney general, bill barr, is happy to do for this presi
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