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that is all for tonight. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily" and you can catch both of us tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. and 2:00 p.m. eastern but don't worry, in the meantime, "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. you're a lucky guy today you get me on this end and get to toss to joy at the end of this show. >> i agree, i feel lucky my cup runneth over. and like you and nicole before you and like a lot of other folks, i am also very excited not only for joy to start the show, but she has some big bookings with joe biden and hillary clinton tonight. >> she does, indeed. i can't wait >> me either thank you, katy. twok welcome to "the beat," everyone. let me tell you what i was just discussing with katy tur we think we have a lot lined up both this hour and beyond on msnbc. this tonight could be a bit of a special show, because we have a
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lot of important stories, including new details on these clashes in portland, and a special report later with my own legal breakdown of a major police brutality probe, a story that we are staying onfor good reason and as mentioned, by the end of this hour, we will be on the cusp of hearing from two news-worthy guests, joe biden and hillary clinton, on the debut of "the reidout" with joy-ann reid so don't miss that there is a lot to get to our top story is the coronavirus surging across the country. about 3.8 million americans now are confirmed to have this virus. now, as you've probably learned, when we cover all of this stuff, that's the confirmed case count. it suggests, then, that tens of millions more people may actually also have the virus without confirmed cases. nearly 142,000 deaths, as well these numbers mean that whatever you or i or anyone may feel about the pandemic, we may feel exhausted, overwhelmed, maybe even numb or over it the way
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some people talk, right? those are all feelings but in reality, these numbers, these facts show that it is, right now, worse, this pandemic in america worse than it was during those first scares in march, when everyone had their initial reactions. worst than those scary spikes in april when new york was effectively shut down as the epicenter. worse than all of that it is now at its worst point experts noting that the trump administration's failure to lead and handle even basic parts of mitigating this have now put the united states among some of the worst performances of any country, any government on earth. and now donald trump's own staff saying people have no clue what the president is doing today, the president was meeting about another coronavirus relief bill with republicans, meanwhile, united group of 46 democratic senators are calling on the administration to stop politicizing health information. saying trump has put the u.s. in a dangerous position now, we are going to get into the scientific facts and some hopeful vaccine news in just a
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moment with one of our medical experts. but we begin "the beat" right now with a very special guest, democratic u.s. senator from ohio, sherrod brown, who is a big part of organizing that letter i just mentioned. good evening to you, sir >> it's very good to be with you. thank you. >> let's start with what you are hoping to achieve and this pressure you're putting on the administration over the covid information. >> well, the president is doing everything he can to distract from the fact that you say, 141,000, 142,000 people have died he's really -- he changed the data collection, the president's not really interested in the coronavirus. he's interested in the economy he says, open the schools, not even thinking about the safety of the cafeteria workers or the families or the students it's all to distract from his betrayal of workers in northeast ohio, it's to distract from his
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failures in the coronavirus. it's to distract from his terrible leadership on the economy, his bungling of the economy. that's the kind of president he has become >> you mention, of course, the economy. you've done a lot of work on this for people who are out there, who are struggling, classic situation where people lost their jobs, not because of what they did or didn't do, but because of the fundamental unfairness of the way the system works. i want to talk about steve mnuchin talking about the relief package. take a listen to treasury secretary mnuchin. >> really what we see as the focus is kids with jobs. the recovery act c.a.r.e.s. 4.0. we are committed by the end of this month, to make sure that before the enhanced unemployment insurance expires, that we pass legislation so that we can protect americans that are unemployed >> >> what's your response and your view of the bills that should come out of congress?
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>> think of yourself as an unemployed worker in dayton, ohio or in toledo and you knew you were getting this $600. you could barely make your rental on your apartment you already were paying 35 or 40% of your income for your rent and then you wonder why mitch mcconnell, for week after week after week after week, since the two months since the house passed legislation, extending that unemployment, you wonder if it's going to get extended it's now two weeks -- it's really about a week away from the unemployment expiring and now secretary mnuchin says, well maybe they're interested in doing something to extend unemployment we are about to hit a -- go over a cliff. you've got unemployment expiring, you have the moratorium on foreclosures and evictions about to expire, even though they didn't cover nearly everybody who rents or owns a
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home you have no assistance you know if you're evicted that you're going to an overcrowded homeless shelter or sleep in your cousin's basement and then what happens with the coronavirus? at the same time, you're seeing in state after state, evictions courts are opening up, where landlords go to court and evict the person that hasn't paid because she's lost her job and now, finally after months and months of i don't see any urgency, mitch mcconnell speaking, the president and secretary mnuchin are saying, maybe we're going to do something by the end of the month. they should be doing it now, it should be emergency rental assistance, it should be money for schools so they can open safely to protect students and teachers and cafeteria workers there should be money for state and local governments, otherwise there are massive layoffs, even more than they already have been, for local cities, communities, counties. i was talking to a very conservative county today, about 15 people in a roundtable, they heard it there, too. they need help in these communities and the president and senator mcconnell are just sort of saying, well, we'll get
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around to it when we get around to it. >> yeah, that all makes sense. you know, you and others have called on president trump to be more scientific, to follow his own cdc guidelines he now is out there, late, many people would say, but saying that wearing a mask is patriotic. your response? >> well, i have seen so many people not wearing masks in places they ought to be wearing them i mean, being outside among other people, and i just go back and think, back in march, the last time i was on a plane, ari, was in mid-march somebody in my office drive back and forth every week, it's a six-hour drive to cleveland and that week that i stopped flying, at that point, 90 koreans and 90 americans died 90 people in each country had passed away from coronavirus since then, fewer than 300 people in korea have died. their unemployment rate is under 4% look at our unemployment rate.
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look at how many people have died in this country imagine if the president back in march or april, even in may, said, i'm going to start wearing a mask i might be vain, but i'm going to start wearing a mask and i'm going to talk about social distancing and we need to make sure that we keep ourselves and our neighbors safe in starting to talk that way, tens of thousands of americans would still be alive today there's no question about that but for whatever reason, he can't model this when i speak on the senate floor, i wear a mask i think it's important that elected officials model what the country needs to do. clearly, the science says that savvis liv saves lives. so does social distancing. so does staying away from big mass events of a hundred or 200 people >> understood. and when you walk through the numbers there off the top of your mind of how other governments and countries have done it, that it is doable that is, i think, a reminder to everyone watching, this is
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doable and we need to -- >> yeah, and it's not like doctors in korea or scientists in korea or better than american doctors or scientists. they spend more per capita on public health than we have because of this president and because of the tea party a decade ago but clearly, they just have better leadership. we have a president who continues to change the subject and not focus on the coronavirus, not focus on safety, whether it's a meat packing plant in south dakota or opening up the youngstown city schools, this president has shown no interest in safety of the people he's raised his right hand and pledged to protect >> yep, and you lay it out there. it sounds like a lot of criticism, but most of it is literally just the evidence of the way he has handled this. and as we've seen, the carnage around it. senator brown, really great to have you on "the beat. i hope you come back, sir. >> i'll do it. thanks >> okay, great, thank you very much now we want to turn to a very special fact check.
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we had to get a newsworthy guest in, the senator, right away. but this is something i really want you to see. donald trump, first of all, under fire, in all of these different ways, including the handling of the virus. he's now saying maybe he'll hold those briefings again, remember them and let's be clear, when donald trump has spoken out on these issues, he has often been caught in outright falsehoods >> but this is a forest fire >> i don't say -- i say flames, we'll put out the flames we have embers and we do have flames florida became more flame-like but it's going to be under control. >> that's just a little bit from the president's new interview there on fox news. the facts are the u.s. has actually added 120,000 of covid cases just this weekend, far from embers. then you have donald trump making a claim that we were just discussing with the senator. and this is important for everyone to know the facts of what's possible as we try to save lives how does the u.s. compare to
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other countries on the virus >> we are the envy of the world. they call and they say, the most incredible job anybody's done is our job on testing >> false here is how the united states actually compares to the eu. we have shown you this before, because it's so important. that's where we were in april, as things began. then look what happens as you head into this month in july europe used its government tools to drastically slow the slow of covid. the united states has not done that under donald trump's administration, as well as under many governors, and you see it surging. bahamas has been banning americans from going there, europe limiting people, as well. and then there's something that's so important because it really goes as to why covid is so scary the fact that people of any age can die from covid-related problems i want to show you before we show you what the president is claiming, here is the numerical fact the united states has a very bad
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mortality rate when it comes to this issue it's the third highest in the world. this fact reflects poorly on the trump administration's response, because other countries, as we've been discussing, facing the same pandemic have handled it better. save more lives. and then you have donald trump falsely claiming the opposite, and you're about to see chris wallace fact check him in realtime >> i think we have one of the lowest mortality rates in the world. >> that's not true, sir. we have 900 deaths in a single day. >> again, the numbers tell the story. the u.s. is the third highest in deaths per capita. donald trump also broadly claiming that eventually, all of his claims will be vindicated. >> i'll be right eventually. >> i understand. >> i will be right eventually. i've been right probably more than anybody else. >> now there's a reason we showed you that quote. it is what is known on the internet as a self-own where a person embarrasses themselves through their own
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claims donald trump's statements about this virus have not been vindicated over time they have been proven false and they tend to look worse and worse as time goes on. >> i think that at some point that's going to sort of just disappear. and then i see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do something like that by injection. it's going to disappear. one day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear anybody that needs a test can have a test. they're all set. >> joining us now is our medical expert and friend, dr. megan ranee. good to see you. you're walking through there what is most important for people to keep in mind, regardless of politics or views of the president, but what is true and what we have to combat against, because some of his misinformation can actually be harmful to your health >> he is making it awfully
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challenging to have a consistent public health challenge out there. there are a few things that are incontrovertibly true no matter where in the united states you live the first is that the virus is present and it is spreading. the second is, right now, the only way to prevent yourself from getting infected is to wear a mask and to physically distance from other people and the third thing that is absolutely true is that we don't know by looking at people who's infected and who isn't so that wearing a mask and physically distancing is critically important, whether you think that the people you are near are infected, whether they're your best friends or family members or not. unless you know they have been following social distancing precautions, too, you must keep yourself safe, and that's the only way you can prevent getting infected >> appreciate the primer from you there. on the masks, i was mentioning this to senator brown, we are going to show here something that many had called for months ago. here it is this is your president of the united states and you can see
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him actually modeling the wearing of a mask. what is your response to that, doctor >> i am thrilled that he's wearing a mask i hope he keeps wearing it there is nothing better that we can do to encourage mask wearing than all of us to wear masks in public, particularly our political leaders and our celebrity influencers. it is critical for us to message to others that it is not just normal, it is expected to wear a mask in order to keep myself healthy and in order to keep you safe. >> now, doctor, if the president were watching, he might think you were complimenting him by putting him in the category with celebrities. that's very important to him >> he did run "the apprentice. my kids have watched some tv shows and movies from the '80s and they've mentioned trump, so he's been around for a while >> he has opinion around doctor, i appreciate as always not only your medical expertise, but you call it like you see it. you're saying that what everyone thinks of donald trump otherwise, you think it is positive to see a government
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leader in the mask, however late he came to it. i know there are some people today who won't even want to say that, because they're so disturbed by his leadership, the failures on covid, the misinformation that we've fact checked, but it is interesting to hear you salute that and we tall need our models, right? >> and there are certainly leadership deficits on the federal level. and i could go on about those and you have at length but i will take what i can get please let those mask wearing be the very first step. let him do it consistently let the next thing be getting testing and protective equipment and getting data available to all of us. i can make a long list of things that i want to see happen, but at a minimum, heavy mask wearing in public just critical. and if we can get people across this country to wear masks, it will make a huge dent in the transmission of covid-19 >> well, dr. ranee, you walked the walk, we appreciate you taking a moment to also talk the talk with us here on e"the beat"
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on msnbc >> my honor. >> thank you we have a lot and more in tonight's show outcry after federal agents were rounding up protesters in these unmarked vehicles. we have a live report from portland and context for you later, we have some very special guests as we reflect on the legacy of john lewis and the fight for civil rights i'm ari melber you're watching "the beat. we'll be right back. ♪ water? why?! ♪ ahhhh! incoming! ahhhahh! i'm saved! ahhh! ride? no, i'm good. i'm gonna walk. let's go! water tastes like, well, water.
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turning to these protests in portland, an outcry over the trump administration deploying federal agents to the city, even as officials say they don't need that take a look for example at this footage drawing attention. officers apparently detaining protesters in these unmarked cars now, one individual saying they placed him in a holding cell of a federal courthouse overnight, federal agents allegedly using tear gas after protesters dismantled a fence that was actually put up around that courthouse, prompting another group of local women to try to step in and say that they want to be -- you see this from last night, human shields to protect others they're calling themselves the wall of moms now, as i mentioned, these local officials have emphasized that they don't think that most of this federal presence is helpful at all the u.s. attorney filing a lawsuit saying that the feds may be violating protesters' civil rights an oregon attorney, i should say. now, donald trump says these individuals that are doing the
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patrolling, the federal force will not only stay, but he has been musing in interviews today about maybe trying to have that happen in other cities, as well. most of them appear to be democratic strongholds so we want to begin on the ground, live from portland, nbc's mara barrett mara, thank you for keeping an eye on everything. what are you seeing in developments today >> yeah, ari, you mentioned that fencing that was put up around the federal courthouse so i'm standing right outside of it right now, and we actually just watched over the past hour or so, they're worried these 10-foot-tall black steel large, imposing fences, and they were actually all taken down, the ones that weren't torn down, protesters had stacked up and taken away we don't know if that means the federal officials are paring back their footprint tonight tear gas utilized against protesters and people on the ground here this afternoon telling me that essentially, if the federal officials never
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showed up, de-escalation would have continued as the mayor said it had and so looking ahead, the attorney general has filed lawsuits against a few federal agencies, saying that oregonians have been arrested for unprobable cause, and she's actually looking to file a restraining order in the next -- in the coming days, in order to not allow that to happen, basically saying that federal officials need to identify themselves before they arrest any oregonians which she's claiming is not the case so as we look ahead to tonight and as my team here is on the ground, there's a lot of uncertainty about how many people will show up and what that tension looks like, if it replicates the violence we saw this weekend ari? >> mara barrett on the ground there, thank you very much and bviously, stay safe, as always, in your reporting. we want to bring in now for perspective a veteran legal analyst and prosecutor, paul henderson, executive director of san francisco's department of police accountability. good to see you, sir >> thank you for having me good to be here, ari how you doing? >> i'm fine, thanks for asking
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there are so many aspects to this and you are one of the perfect guests, because you have expertise on several of them before we get to the underlying issues that the protesters are pushing, what is your view legally of the way the federal agents are being deployed? >> i think it raises a whole number of issues and it's not lost on me how ironic it is that this federal behavior is addressing one of the very reasons that protesters are there in the first place like, a large part of this conversation is addressing the militarization and that process involving law enforcement. and so while we are here having this conversation and talking specifically aboutofficers dressed in camouflage, using tear gas and unmarked vans and using stun grenades on an audience, that's the exact issue. and in this case here, we have the attorney general who has filed this lawsuit basically articulating that while these agents are acting, they are acting without warrants and
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without identifying themselves and that raises two specific legal issues one, in terms of acting without a warrant, whether or not the federal government, even though they have preemptive rights, are following due process. which they still have to do. and secondarily, if they are acting without identification, coming out in camo or in play clothes and grabbing people in vans and doing what the allegations suggest, is that causing intentional harm to either stay law enforcement agencies or local law enforcement agencies by not having an understanding from individuals on the street as to what's happening and i think this ties back to -- >> let me jump in. and that's really important context. before i lose you, the other question i want to ask big picture is, what we're seeing here does echo some of what we saw in the initial blm protests. that efforts to scrutinize alleged police brutality are met with more alleged police brutality.
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your thoughts on that, sir >> well, this is part of the problem. it's actually the problem. we want de-escalation. we want the determination made between a protest, a rally, a peaceful march and a riot. and we have behavior here that identifies that that determination is being made independently, without a balance of first amendment rights, without a conversation of coordinated effort or evaluation from local standards, local community, or even state standards and state communities. it's a federal agencies acting independently, in opposition of what the state wants in opposition of what the local community wants. and in opposition of what the law maybe determined that we don't even get to evaluate, because we're not having conversations, we're not seeing these charges. we're not determining where these people that are being taken are being moved to, because there's no detention facility for charges like this at the federal level so where are these people being taken? that's a federal rule 5.1 that determines that. but when people get taken into
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custody, something has to be done immediately we don't have any of these questions and a lot of them normally would be answered by the u.s. attorney's office i think this is part of the reasons why the attorney general's office has filed that lawsuit and we have some very difficult questions to be answered, right now in portland, before trump or the federal government starts taking similar action in other cities but this seems to be a big warning and something that we all need to be watching and monitoring very carefully, especially as it relates to how local law enforcement may be involved or utilized in joint efforts. >> paul henderson, thank you, as always really appreciate it when we're back in 30 seconds, some very special guests on the legacy of john lewis think of people in a place. but when you have the chase mobile app, your bank can be virtually any place. so, when you get a check... you can deposit it from here. and you can see your transactions and check your balance from here. you can detect suspicious activity on your account from here.
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vote mitch mcconnell and other gop senators fighting back and refusing it. from the day he marched across the bridge in selma, john lewis has been getting into what he calls good trouble in the fight for equal rights >> as a young child growing up, i saw the signs that said that white men, colored men, colwhit men, colored women, and i kept asking my great grandparents, that's the way it is don't get in the way, don't get in trouble you're going to get in trouble but rosa parks and dr. king inspired me to get in trouble. what i call good trouble necessary trouble. and i've been getting in trouble ever since >> the fight over this bill is another example of where you see donald trump and the republican party shifting there's not even an effort to pretend to care about reauthorizing the voting rights act. the supreme court hadnarrowed its scope.
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republicans have not held a vote despite these past calls what's happening now is democrats trying to basically invoke john lewis' legacy to push, guilt, or shame people to actually having to vote on the senator floor. now, this bill has been sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk for over 200 years and you don't always see democrats jump and get aggressive on something like this they're calling out republicans right now. they are saying, if you want to honor this man, the conversation we're having tonight and that's been had over this weekend, then you do that by actually acting and holding the vote on this and if you are against the voting rights act, hold the vote and vote against it. all of this happens as tens of millions of people are walking off their jobs with blm, strike for black lives in 25 cities, including in front of the trump tower in new york city to highlight the inequality and systemic racism that john lewis both fought over the course of his life and helped set back leading to real progress now, with all of that in mind,
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we want to bring in marc morial and congressman karen bass, chair of the congressional black caucus thanks to both of you for joining us good evening to you. congresswoman, your thoughts -- thank you to both you've we're on a slight tape delay, but thank you to both of you i was going to say to the congresswoman, your thoughts on this man that you knew so well that you served with >> you know, today we're back in session and i have to tell you that all of us are walking around with a heavy heart. we had a moment of silence and several members got up on both sides of the aisle and spoke about mr. lewis and we'll be doing various tributes throughout the week. but it's different, you know the chair that he always sits in, there's a bouquet of flowers there and i think ul of us have been there, you know, acknowledging his absence. but let me just tell you there, because i think what's so important, mr. lewis has expectations of all of us.
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and he absolutely expects us now to honor him by getting that bill passed. it has been languishing in the senate for over 200 days and one of the things every year as we would go to selma for the pilgrimage across the bridge, my republican colleagues would come with us and come right back here and vote against and stand against the very thing they stood next to mr. lewis for. it is a shame that so many decades later, in the united states, we are still fighting for the right to vote. and we're less than 120 days away from an election and we know that this time, there's a new way to suppress the vote and that is to make people risk their lives by exposure to covid in order to vote instead of voting from home >> well, congresswoman, you know, let's do it. you said, this is a part of the legacy here and that's what's important. let me put up on the screen for
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everyone to understand what's been going on, just since the voting rights act itself was weakened by that supreme court rulin ruling you have these polling place closures, new voter i.d. laws, you have the elimination of something that is just helpful to people who are busy and working jobs, which is being able to show up and register and vo vote it's all part of the same goal early voting as well has been shortened. congresswoman, what is important in your mind if the senate holds this vote that would address some of those issues >> i think one of the reasons that mcconnell doesn't want the vote held is because he's afraid it might pass. he's afraid of it passing. you ran down the list of things that have been done, it's all under the guise of voter fraud but isn't it interesting that every time they do find the one
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in a million case of voter fraud, it's a republican just this last week, one of my republican colleagues was brought up on charges for voter fraud. i'm happy to work with my good friend from the urban league, marc morial. we work day in and day out on these issues and it's just inexcusable. i also work in the international arena. i go over to countries around the world, telling them about democracy. we look ridiculous now, making people risk their very lives to vote you remember after the vote in wisconsin, more than 50 people became infected and exposed to covid. you saw that scenes in kentucky, with people banging on the window that is an absolute embarrassment to our country how can we talk about democracy when we're doing everything under the sun to limit people from voting. but it's also only certain people that we're trying to limit. it's not everybody
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>> all-important marc, your thoughts? >> my thoughts are, this -- what we've seen since 2013, with the case of shelby v. holder, is nothing but a naked assault on american democracy what we see today turns the hands of time back to the 1950s. and this protection of the vote is essential to american democracy. mitch mcconnell, i think the record will reflect, has voted for extensions in the voting right acts each time he's been in congress. what's changed why does he have cold feet why can't he bring this bill up for a vote and protect people's vote we can honor john lewis by passing this bill. and we can also honor john lewis bip putting this bill on the ballot in the fall if this u.s. senate is going to drag its feet and say "no" on this vote. >> and you just hit it -- you
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both are saying something so important that could get lost in this, which is, it is presicisey the strength of the legacy of the voting rights act, what john lewis and so many people fought for, that it is still hard to vote against it, even if you're a republican there's a political cowardice that relates inverse proportionately to the strength of what congressman lewis built, marc >> so two things i was an sbeinternist on capitol hill as a law student at georgetown when the '82 extension passed i was here at the national urban league when we put together this powerful bipartisan coalition in 2005, 2006, to extent the voting rights act the republican party has retreated, turned its back on the legacy of the idea that protecting the right to vote is central to democracy and above
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partisan politics. so in this instance, this is a sad day when majority leader mcconnell will not call for a vote so we're going to keep continuing to put the pressure on majority leader mcconnell and we're going to continue educating the american people as to why this is so essential. these voter suppression tactics are just outrageous. they smack of a needy, evil effort to just block access to the ballot box and they're un-american and inconsistent, which is why we continue to fight them >> and that's why we are staying on that story and scrutinizing it i know both of you have done so much work. i'm bringing in another special guest related to congressman lewis, so i want that thank congressman bass and ceo of the national urban league, marc morial thanks to both of you. we have a lot more on this right now. we're tracking these issues and want to do a little bit of a special reflection we just talked about the work of john lewis
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we also want to think about the life and the humanity of this civil rights icon, john lewis, who walked amongst us. not only what he accomplished, but who he was my next guest spent over a decade working with him every day. as congresswoman bass just mentioned on capitol hill today, the house held this moment of silence in his honor a black drape was placed over the door of his congressional office and so before we bring in our guest, let's listen to lewis in his own words. >> i could no longer be satisfied. we are tired we are tired of being beat by policeman. how long can we be patient we want our freedom and we want it now the time for silence and patience is long gone. give us a vote we all count we're one people we're one family we all live in the same house. speak up and speak out and find a way to get in the way and to
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get in trouble, good trouble, necessary trouble. can i give in, become bitter, or hostile? today i feel more lucky, more than lucky, more than blessed, but to be here to see the changes that have occurred >> john lewis continued that spirit, that sense of purpose throughout his life. you're looking here from june while he was battling cancer, he went to this black lives matter plaza, by the white house, just back on june 8th >> it's very moving. very moving. very impressive. i think what the people in d.c. and around the nation are sending a mighty powerful and strong message to the rest of the world. that we would get there. >> we will get there i'm honored to bring in brenda
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jones. she spent 15 years working as communications director for congressman lewis. got to speak to you here i'm happy that you're here on "the beat" during a tough time and i appreciate you joining us while you grieve how are you doing? >> well, thank you so much for having me, ari it's always a pleasure to talk about congressman lewis. and what i saw, um, in the clips that you had was that fierce insistence for what is right that to me was the essence of john lewis he was a gentle man, a gracious man, but he never gave up on his values he was consistently committed to everything he spoke about and fought for, and that's why he was such an inspiring person to work for i think his death occurred at a very strategic moment in the struggle for civil rights and social justice in america.
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in other words, it is a moment when people are finally prepared to stand up and speak out, just like he was encouraging them to do i remember during the period when the american people really participated in their own disenfranchisement by voting for voter i.d. laws. and we tried to tell them, don't do that. you're being disenfranchised, and they didn't believe it and now they are dealing with the ramifications of it. congressman lewis went around the country and said, you're too quiet. everyone is just a little too quiet. you need to speak up you need not to take these things because my generation never would have done it because now people are finally standing up. they are insisting that we make the kind of changes that really
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advance his legacy and so in many ways, i think he is not there and the void makes people know that they have to be -- they have to fill those shoes. >> yeah. i'm running out of time, because we've done several guests on your old boss. my last question to you then, though, is, what do you know about what he thought of these young protests we saw that moving image of him just last month. well, we now know that he was battling there it was a losing battle in the sense that he's passed, but he was still out there, making common cause with people 60 years his junior, brenda >> well, he loved young people, probably more than any other visitors that he had, especially even young people with 6 and 7 years old, because he saw the potential, the vitality, the capability, and the possibility in those young people, and i think he was deeply inspired by
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the black lives matter movement, by what happened on the mall he is the one who said, i want to go down there, knowing that he was fighting a losing battle. he wanted to see that and be a part of it and he [ inaudible ]. he was proud he was glad that young people and old people -- it is a multi-generational movement, are standing up and speaking out >> amen on that point. and on the next generation and brenda, we've been watching you here and we had the lights go in and out a little bit, but i don't think it mattered, because i think everyone was listening intently to some of the beautiful things you were saying >> thank you so much he was a beautiful man thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about him. >> oh, of course brenda, thanks for your work and for being here tonight and during this time while we're all reflecting on it, i thank you,
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might not accept the results of the election >> i'll have to see. >> can you give a direct answer, you will accept the election >> i have to see look, no, i'm not just going to say yes. i didn't say last time, either >> and he didn't last time, until he got the results in the electoral college that he liked. there are insiders around donald trump who are already warning about his potential reaction to an election loss the words and the actions matter it's a story we'll stay on now win mentioned at the top of the show, we have something special at the end of tonight's show that's coming up new protests and now information about a very important case. my laleg breakdown is next ♪ if your dry eye symptoms keep coming back, inflammation in your eye might be to blame. looks like a great day for achy, burning eyes! over-the-counter eye drops typically work by lubricating your eyes and may provide temporary relief. ha! these drops probably won't touch me. xiidra works differently, targeting inflammation that can cause dry eye disease. what is that? xiidra, noooo!
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this is breonna taylor she was sitting in her own apartment when kentucky police officers busted down the door and shot her to death. she was 26 years old and worked as an emergency medical technician, that was 125 days ago. there's been no charges on this case it's over a month ago that the kentucky attorney general said this >> an investigation of this magnitude, when done correctly requires time and patience because we need the flexibility to fully investigate the facts we are not going to provide a specific date that our investigation will be concluded. however, i can assure you that we understand the urgency. >> with only after public pressure that one of the officers was fired the police chef sa-- police chi
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said it was not the way to use deadly force the protesters will live stream a hunger strike to make sure that people stay focused on this story. i can mention to you that we invited the protesters on "the beat "tomorrow night those speaking out and calling for a full investigation of the case has become paramount. this pressure matters. as with so many police brutality investigations, the information is not good for the officers' defense. we will play an audio and show you what has been happening in the case take a listen. we don't have it for audio, i will tell you the officers here have also been exposed for not
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trying to save ms. taylor's life as she lay dying for five extra minutes, no health care was provided there's a lot of different parts of the case that we will stay on the most important thing to keep in mind is the pressure and scrutiny, are raising the question in kentucky whether anything will be done about a case that is not a mystery we know who died, and we know who did it thank you as always for watching "the beat" here on msnbc, and stay tuned for "the reid out," with joy reid. ♪ there could not be a more striking contrast. this weekend we mourned an icon who spent his life fighting for civil and human rights and we always witnessed the incoherent rambling of a president who spent the last four years burnin


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