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feels like the wrong approach to this as a problem? >> the only thing strange is that you're almost the only one saying it. quite a packed show tonight including the speaker of the house. thanks again nancy pelosi for stopping by. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. ♪ today in his first-ever testimony before the house judiciary committee, attorney general william barr took a page right out of his boss donald trump's playbook. also today joe biden said that he would announce his running mate next week. and two of the women on his short list, karen bass and senator kamala harris join me live to talk about that intense grilling of the attorney general on capitol hill today. in a performance that was almost
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breathtakingly partisan, barr was defensive lashing out at his democratic questioners, ruminating whether he and trump would accept the results of the election if trump were to lose, and painting the people protesting across the country for black lives matter as some sort of dangerous horde. even as he refused to condemn armed right-wing anti-mask mandate protesters and defended the administration's ongoing assault on the rule of law. and of protesters themselves. >> in the wake of george floyd's death, violent rietters and anarchists have hijacked protest to wreak senseless havoc and destruction on innocent victims. the current situation in portland is a telling example. >> at the start of the heated five-hour hearing, chairman gerald nadler asked thetation's top law enforcement official to do the president's bidding, deploying hundreds of additional federal agents to the city of
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portland. >> in connection with your discussions with the president or with other people around them of his re-election campaign have you discussed the current or future deployment of federal law enforcement? >> as i say, i'm not going to get into my discussions with the president. but i've made it clear that i would like to pick the cities based on law enforcement need and based on neutral -- >> you can't tell me whether you discussed -- >> no. i'm not going to discuss what i discussed with the president. >> can you commit today that the department will not use federal law enforcement in a prop in the president's re-election campaign? you really can't hide behind legal fictions this time, mr. barr. it's all out in the open. the people can see what you are doing for themselves. the president wants footage for his campaign ads and you appear to be serving it up to him as ordered. >> in addition to refusing to acknowledge his role in advancing the president's political objectives, barr also refused to condemn the use of tear gas against peaceful protesters, including an episcopal priest in lafayette
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park just yards from the white house. >> do you think it's ever appropriate to use tear gas on peaceful protesters? yes or no? >> well, the problem in these things sometimes occur because it's hard to separate people -- >> my question is very specific. do you think it is ever appropriate to use tear gas on peaceful protesters, yes or no? >> it is appropriate to use tear gas when it's indicated to disperse -- >> on peaceful protesters? >> unlawful assembly. and unfortunately peaceful protesters are affected by it. >> wow. republican ranking member jim jordan, another of the president's go-to cronies began his side of today's hearing with his own rather screamy version of what's going on in donald trump's america. he played a video of a dystopian false reality where police are under attack and fires and looting run rampant across the country. what jordan and the republicans failed to show is that the
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people are actually protesting in portland, a wall of military veterans with signs reading "black lives matter." or the wall of moms to form a human barricade between protesters and police in federal officers night after night. those are the people that jim jordan and william barr did not want you to see today. how about this? u.s. marshals manhandling a woman as they snatched people off the street leaving a woman bloodied after four to five individuals jumped on her in the streets of portland. and joining me now congresswoman karen bass of california. and congresswoman mad lean dean of pennsylvania. both serve on the house judiciary committee and took part in today's hearing. congresswoman bass, ooh input to play a moment that i thought was one of the most searing moments. it was early in the hearing. this was congressman, your colleague sedrick richman invoking the name of john lewis
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against will barr having done the same thing. >> the one thing that you have in common with your two predecessors, both attorney general sessions and attorney general whitaker is that when you all came here and brought your top staff, you brought no black people. that, sir, is systematic racism. that is exactly what john lewis spent his life fighting. and so i would just suggest that actions speak louder than words. and you really should keep the name of the honorable john lewis out of the department of justice's mouth. >> ouch. congresswoman bass, it says "the honorable." did you find william barr's testimony to be honorable today? >> no, i didn't, and especially his opening testimony. and i know that --
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>> i think we're having a little bit of trouble, congresswoman. hold on one second. i think we're having a little problem with your audio. so we're going to try to fix that audio problem because i definitely want to hear what you were going to say. we're going to try to fix that audio. and i'm going to throw it over to congresswoman dean for the same answer. did you find what you heard today to be honorable testimony from the attorney general of the united states? >> no, i did not. but, joy, let me start by saying congratulations to you. i'm going to wish you what my uncle, my deer friend wished me every morning when i went out to work. he was a priest. i said walter give me a blessing today. he said may god grant success to the work of your hands. i wish that for you and your work in this new important assignment. the attorney general was not honorable today. what he did was distort, deflect and work on half of a president and a political campaign. i was super mindful that we sat
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there today with john lewis lying in state not more than a thousand feet or so away from us. and what do we honor john lewis for? his embodiment of peaceful protests, his embodiment of stand up when you see something wrong, when you see injustice, when you see inequity, you must say something. keep your eye on the prize and get into good trouble. imagine that he was bloodied on the bridge, and i had the privilege with my brother and my husband to travel with him to the edmund pettus bridge two years ago and again this year. he was bloodied and beaten and knocked out and didn't know if he would make it. he was also beaten in the bus station by government forces. does the attorney general not see that grotesque parallels 55 years later here we are with these same problems? history will record the attorney's role, attorney general's role and the grotesqueness of his action.
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>> you know, to that very point, and you talk about your uncle being a priest. and it's fitting to talk about or to show your questioning of the attorney general about the clearing of lafayette park which is i think one of the darkest moments for a lot of people so that donald trump could walk and do a photo op in front of the church. here you are questioning william barr. let's play that back. >> is it your opinion, mr. barr, that clearing protesters from lafayette square, which local officials were told to hurry up moments before the president's photo op with a borrowed bible in front of a church was coincidence? is this timing coincidence? >> i believe it is, yes. as i said, i use the analogy of mcarthur -- >> we heard that. mr. attorney general, we'll assume that that was all coincidence. >> i already explained that it had been planned all day.
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>> attorney general, the time is mine. we've waited a long time for you to come here. the time is mine. >> you've waited to talk to me like this? you didn't need to wait so long. >> you know, you had a member of the national guard who testified that incendiary chemicals were used on including an episcopal priest who was part of those who were gassed and peppersprayed there. do you believe that william barr lied to you under oath about what happened in lafayette park? >> he not only lied. he doubled back. he did a backflip. i quoted him where he said it was not chemical, that the pepper balls used against peaceful protesters. this was a peaceful protest. if there was any kind of rioting, of course this is not the way you would deal with rioting. this was peaceful protests. that's what everybody has said. the attorney general said it was not chemical. no, it was chemical.
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he did a double back flip. he used pepper ball agents against peaceful protesters. and what i showed him was that the beauty of pepper balls is not only the chemical irritant but the blunt force trauma. that's what he directed when he stood in that square at 6:10 and said get it done. and there's no coincidence between the president finishing a law and order statement in the rose garden and walking across. what i compare him to, the attorney general worked as an advance man on the campaign. can you imagine the secret service would have thought there's some disturbance in lafayette square? the last thing we want is for the president to walk out the front door of the white house and across the square. this is an advance man for a political campaign for a photo op with, as i said, a borrowed bible which the episcopal bishop condemned.
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the catholic bishop condemned. >> and apparently he didn't have permission to borrow the bible. i think we do have congresswoman karen bass. i believe we have you again. i want to play for you, congresswoman, this was your questioning of william barr on one of the more extraordinary things that he did. he tried to refute the core thing that these protests around the country are about. and that's the idea of police abuse and deaths in police custody of black people. here he is and here's your questioning of him. >> the number of unarmed black men killed by police so far this year is eight. the number of unarmed white men killed by police of the same period of time is 11. >> the fact of the matter is 2.3 million people in the united states are incarcerated. we incarcerate 24% of the world's prisoners. 34% are black while african-americans are just 13% of the u.s. population. so justice is still not equal, nor are our laws. and i think when we look at how
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many people are incarcerated or how many people are killed, it is not the numbers, it is the percentage. >> i guess i'll ask you the same question. one presumes that the attorney general of the united states has access to the stats and the data. and that the stats and data he attempted to present this afternoon don't reflect what most people could find looking up on google. do you believe that when he came before the judiciary committee, william barr lied it the democrats who questioned him? >> oh, i think he absolutely lied. and i think he is just trying to push a racial narrative in saying, you know, it follows what the president said remember a week ago he was saying that, well, more white people are killed than black people, to minimize the fact that there is police abuse. the other thing i was asking him is the death of elijah mclean who is injected with ketamine.
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but back to his insulting african americans in his opening presentation, and he focused on us for summaries. and he basically was saying that the period of enslavement was bad, jim crow was bad, but ever since then everything is fine and the laws are equal and we really don't have a problem here, and there is no systemic racism because you know that the trump administration is countering that to say that things are not that bad. he also did the typical thing of saying that african-americans essentially have been killed more by each other than police abuse. and you know that that is a standard old tired line that says black people only care about each other when we're killed by police and not what is going on in the community, which is a complete denial of the fact that people in the community where you do have high homicide rates work day in and day out, one, to stop the guns from coming in like in chicago, and also to address the underlying
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community issues which is what leads to the violence in the first place. this is just a replay of george wallace's presidential campaign from the 1960s. and that's what trump has adopted. and his wingman or as madeline said, his advance man, that's what he was pushing today. they are using the protest in portland essentially as a prop for their commercials. but one thing i do want to point out because this concerns me, i love seeing allies, i love seeing white allies talking about black lives matter. i think that's wonderful. but when you see the violence that does happen, my concern is that it distracts from an agenda of racial equity. and i am worried that the black people in portland will be the ones that take the brunt of the police repression because of the violence and protests that is not the black residents' doing.
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>> do you have any news that you want to share with us? i know that there's going to be an announcement from the biden campaign. feel free. it's just you and me here and congresswoman dean. any news to share? [ laughter ] >> i have no news. but i know in a minute you're going to have the brilliant attorney general from the state of california on, kamala harris. >> yeah. and can i just take a moment of personal privilege and say to you, congresswoman bass, your response to people trying to pit you and kamala harris against each other, the sisterhood that you showed to her, it was a standup moment and i was very proud of both of you, the two of you i think have dealt with this in a very, very big way. we appreciate it. congresswoman karen bass, congresswoman madeline dean, thank you very much. bill barr's role in trump's efforts to delegitimize this year's election. >> do you believe as attorney general of the united states that mail-in voting will lead to massive voter fraud?
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>> i think there's a high risk that it will. >> do you ever vote by mail-in ballot? >> apparently i did once at least. >> senator kamala harris joins me next on the election threat. and donald trump's assault on the rule of law. plus, the super star and the bench warmer. one was invited to throw out the first pitch. the other just pretended that he was. it's the craziest damn thing in the world. and tomorrow nightmary trump joins me live on her uncle donald, the man who became the world's most dangerous man. angen we see you....looking out for all of us. but you can't lose sight of your own well-being especially if you have a serious chronic medical condition. at aetna, we're always here to help you focus on your health. because it's always time for care. we live in the mountains so i like to walk.
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there is a lot more to get to from today's dramatic testimony on capitol hill. bill barr not unexpectedly came across as a partisan warrior. and as we have become accustomed to as the president's personal
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lawyer, his roy cohen rather than the american people's attorney. for more i'm joined by senator kamala harris of california who is a member of the senate judiciary committee. and, you know, senator, thank you for being here. and i think of your slogan when you were running for president was "for the people." when i prosecutor comes out as you would say during your run when a prosecutor walks into a courtroom they say, my name is kamala harris, for the people. that's typically what an attorney general is supposed to be, our lawyer. what did you make of the way that this attorney general presented himself today? well, it's great to be with you, joy. listen, bill barr has been pretty consistent. as you recall, i questioned him even during his confirmation process. and he has been less than forthright with congress, which of course has oversight. he has been less than forthright with the american people.
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and frankly i think that history is going to show that he has been an aider and abetter to the most corrupt president we've ever had. and that's just the fact. >> you know, when you question him, this sort of classic moment that people play back all the time on cable news. and you asked him if donald trump ever inferred, implied that he ought to investigate donald trump's enemies. the other side of that is to let his friends off the hook. he didn't seem to have an answer today that sounded sufficient i think to me as a lay person as to why he keeps helping and intervening for donald trump's friends. did i miss something? did you hear anything that explained to you why he keeps intervening to help trump's friends? >> well, honestly, i do believe it gets back to the first point that you made. he is incapable of performing the job which is to be the top lawyer, the top law enforcement officer in the united states
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representing the people of the united states. and consistently he has performed his duties as though he is the personal lawyer and the political lawyer for donald trump. and so everything he has done has pretty much been consistent with that, whether you talk about michael flynn, whether you talk about roger stone, whether you talk about clearing lafayette square, whether you talk about his inability to be forthright about whether he would honor an election, that takes place, whether you look at it in terms of the sending of troops and clearly his and federal law enforcement to places like portland. he's been very clear that he is prepared to spend his time and use his power that should be in the name of the people. instead in the name of donald trump and his political fortunes. and, frankly, the best way to address and deal with this is that we need to win this election in november, elect joe biden, and have a real system of
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justice in america that reflects our ideals of democracy and adheres to the principles of the constitution of the united states. none of which bill barr has been able to really adhere to. >> you know, i want to play for you a moment -- go on. >> go on, please. well, it's just important to remember the attorney general of the united states has a profound amount of power. that clearly is the power to make decisions about the liberty of american citizens. it is the power to determine whether federal apartment agencies will be deployed against peaceful protesters. it's an incredible amount of power that he has used not in the name of the people who have vested him with that power, and it is the people of our country. and we vested the attorney general of the united states with the name of the support and
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defense of the constitution of the united states, which, by the way, includes an amendment called the first amendment, when ihe clear i -- which he clearly does not respect. >> what i wanted to play for you is a congresswoman questioning him. because he is selective about when he uses that power. and that's what congresswoman jaya paul's question is to. >> are you aware that these protesters called for the governor to be lynched, shot, and beheaded? >> no. >> you're not aware of that? >> i was not aware of that. major protests in michigan. you're the attorney general and you didn't know that the protesters called for the governor to be lynched, shot, and beheaded. so obviously you couldn't be concerned about that. >> there are a lot of protests around the united states. >> you take an aggressive approach to black lives matter protests but not to right-wing extremists threatening to lynch a governor if it's for the president's benefit.
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did i get it right, mr. barr? >> i have responsibility for the federal government. >> senator, i think one of the things people are afraid of is that william barr will look the other way if there are violent protests that are attempting to intimidate people that want to vote against donald trump or, and/or that he might use his federal secret police force he's created to intimidate voters who want to vote for joe biden. are you worried about that? >> listen, at this point, what i am worried about is that we remind everyone of what is at stake in this election, this election which will be, i do truly believe the most important election of our lifetime. joe biden has, for example, outlined a number of plans that are part of his policy to build back better, build america back up to where it can be. and, for example, today he has
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talked about what he's prepared to do to wipe out as much as $10,000 of federal student loan debt. what he is prepared to do for students who attend public colleges and universities or hbcus, including my alma mater, howard university, so that it will be tuition-free for students who have less than $125,000 in family income. he is talking about building back up the opportunities for the american families to buy homes with a $15,000 tax credit for new homeowners to actually buy and purchase a home knowing that that is a source of intergenerational wealth. these are the things that are at stake in this election. and if we can remind everyone of what opportunities they actually have if we have a president in joe biden versus a donald trump in the white house, i think that we are going to get people out to vote in numbers that will not allow any dispute about the legitimacy of the election in november. the critical point here is that
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we got to make sure that everyone who has so much at stake gets out to vote. and i do believe joe biden will win. and i do believe it will be significant enough that donald trump and bill barr won't dare, at least not with credibility, contest the integrity and the outcome of the election. >> let's hope that we can have a clear and clean election. thank you very much. it's important that you put out some proactive information too people can look up about what former vice president biden is offering on the other side. senator kamala harris, always great to talk with you. thank you very much. really appreciate your time. >> thank you. and still ahead, it is unfortunately a question on a lot of people's minds. and congressman hakeem jeffries asked attorney general barr about it today. take a listen. >> what will you do if donald trump loses the election on november 3rd but refuses to leave office on january 20th? >> the attorney general's answer, which will not comfort
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what will you do if donald trump loses the election on november 3rd but refuses to
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leave office on january 20th? >> if the results are clear, i would leave office. >> for those who say it's ridiculous to even suggest that an american president would refuse to leave office after losing an election, here's a reminder of what trump himself has had to say about it. >> can you give a direct answer you will accept the election? >> i have to see. look, i have to see. i'm not going to just say yes. i'm not going to say no. and i didn't last time either. >> and if that and barr's answers are at that hearing today don't alarm you, then obviously you're not paying attention. in another moment from today's hearing congressman david cicilline had this question for mr. barr. >> is it ever appropriate for the president to accept foreign assistance in an election? >> and after the break you will hear barr's alarming answer. super emma just about sleeps in her cape.
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should a president or a presidential candidate ever reach out to or accept foreign help in an election? it seems like such an easy question with a simple answer. and yet here is how attorney general william barr answered it today. >> is it ever appropriate, sir, for the president to solicit or accept foreign assistance in an election? >> it depends what kind of assistance. >> is it ever appropriate for the president or presidential candidate to accept or solicit foreign assistance of any kind in his or her election? >> no, it's not appropriate. >> okay. sorry you had to struggle with that. >> for more, i am joined now by chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official, and malcolm nance,
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counter intelligence analyst. what did you make of the struggle, the struggle for william barr to answer that question? >> utterly stunning but also not unexpected. look, this man tows the party line. his job is to cover for the president. there's one thing that i learned in all my time when i was at the national security agency and listening to people talk. the first thing that comes out of their mouth is the truth. the second time when he said absolutely not was the lie. he really does not have a problem with this. he is working in the interest of donald trump. and i'm sure when they sit down and couch these conversations they have, they try to find justifications like it's not actual foreign assistance if the russians give it to an american and an american uses it. this is where donald trump is going to try to finesse all of the assistance he's calling for, whether it's saudis, north koreans, which is a real threat
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that we need to watch out for. the chinese who i think are not as much threat as the russians. or the vigilantes that he seems to have set up all around the world. >> and let me play for you, chuck, this is congresswoman mary scanlon. and she is asking william barr about donald trump's claims that foreign countries. he doesn't care about foreign interference, except he claims foreign countries will interfere with mail-in ballots. here is mr. barr. >> last month you echoed the president's conspiracy theory when you suggested in at least three interviews that, quote, foreign countries could manufacture counterfeit ballots to influence the presidential election. you did that in at least three interviews? >> yes. >> but in fact you have no evidence that foreign countries can successfully swear elections with counterfeit ballots, do you? >> no, i don't, but i have common sense. >> actually, before i get to
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you, chuck, i just want to get malcolm to answer whether that even sounds credible to you as an intelligence man that foreign countries would do that. >> no, not at all. and poor chuck, as a law enforcement guy, listening to the chief law enforcement of the united states lie right to the american public. no one has ever done this ever. and he is trying to put out there that this is going to happen. scourless. >> i've got an even better one for you, chuck. this is greg stanton asking william barr. and i think this one will hit you personally. whether he would use the department of justice to try to help the trump campaign. he was very scorely on whether that is something he would do or not. >> if in this upcoming november election, the president asks you to intervene and try to stop county legal ballots after election day, will you do the
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right thing and refuse? yes or no? >> i will follow the law. >> you won't say no, sir? >> i will follow the law. >> it's very disappointing for the people -- >> if a state has a law that says it has to be cast on election day, that's the law. >> making sure the department of justice does not get involved in a contested election? yes or no? >> i will follow the law. >> it is so disappointing that we can't get a clear answer on that. >> you know, chuck, was it as disturbing to you that answer, plus when he said whether or not donald trump would leave office that if he and donald trump thought the election was in good shape and was fair, then they would leave. what did you make of his answers today on that? >> the whole day was disturbing. justice has to be two things. it has to be actually fair and it has to be perceived as fair. and all of his formalistic and legalistic answers don't cut it for me.
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because what he is forgetting each and every time is that there is also a huge gulf between the perception of fairness that we all crave and the actual justice we get from this department. so, there are easy answers to some of the questions you're asking. by the way, joy, if anyone ever asks you if it's okay to take foreign assistance from a foreign government -- a foreign national, a foreign corporation, let me help you here. the answer's no. it's a felony under title 52 of the u.s. code. it doesn't require there's a long tortured walk. it's a simple no. and so that's what's missing. his answers might occasionally be legally sound, and occasionally they were. but he completely misses the point about how we perceive what this department of justice is doing. >> yeah. the other thing that's pretty simple is if somebody is dismissed from their job, whether they quit or they were fired. i want to play my former state
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congressman of colorado trying to get a very simple distinction here between whether or not a department of justice official was fired or quit. >> on june 18th of this year, the department of justice issued a statement saying that m mr. berman had stepped down. you're aware of that statement being released by the department, correct? >> yes. >> and do you testify today that that statement was true at the time the department issued it? >> he may not have known it, but he was stepping down. >> he may not have known that he was stepping down? >> he was being removed. >> mr. attorney general, this statement did not say that he was being removed. it did not say that he was being fired. it said that he was stepping down. >> chuck, can you make sense of that, he didn't know he was stepping down? >> look, let's just take a common sense approach to this, joy. if you asked mr. berman whether
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he was stepping down or resigning or being fired, i'm pretty sure he would tell you he's being fired. why was he being fired? because he was fired. and so, again, it may be that he likes to use these words and they may technically, joy, include what actually happened to mr. berman. but we know better. that's again the perception of honesty, the perception of justice, the perception of fairness. just answer the question. it's not hard. it's like the foreign assistance question. it's not that hard. >> yeah. they're all pretty simple, if you really be honest. you guys are great. thank you very much. up next, the craziest damn thing in the world. still haven't said it yet. [ laughter ] ] (neighbor) whatcha working on... (burke) oh, just puttering, tinkering... commemorating bizarre mishaps that farmers has seen and covered. had a little extra time on my hands lately. (neighbor) and that? (burke) oh, this? just an app i've been working on. it's called signal from farmers, and it could save you up to
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we are in the midst of multiple national crises. and what is the president of the united states doing with his time? well, apparently donald trump is so insecure he reportedly made up a story about baseball. yes, baseball. all so he could attempt to upstage dr. anthony fauci. that's crazy. trump was reportedly green with envy at all the attention fauci's been getting. today he said he didn't know why fauci had higher approval ratings than him. fauci was played by brad pitt on
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snl. and last week as fauci was about to throw the first pitch at the washington nationals game, trump announced that he too was going to throw out a first pitch. >> randy levine is a great friend of mine from the yankees. he asked me to throw out the first pitch. and i think i'm doing that on august 15th at yankee stadium. >> oh, however, trump was the only person who announced that. the yankees never put out a statement. well, the "new york times" is reporting that trump had not actually been invited on that day by the yankees. oops. trump had been so annoyed by dr. fauci's turn of the lime light that he had directed his aides to call the yankees official. he scrambled to let the team know that he was actually booked on august 15th. now i should note that nbc news has not independently verified that reporting. but a few days later trump sent out a tweet calling the whole
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thing off claiming he was too busy. right. we totally believe that. and to add insult to injury, baseball card company tops announced a new fauci card. and it broke all-time print run records. take a seat on the bench, mr. president. and that is today's craziest damn thing in the world! e world! ♪ we see you. doing your part by looking out...for all of us. and though you may have lost sight of your own well-being, aetna never did.
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america's hit yet another grim milestone with now more
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than 150,000 reported deaths due to the coronavirus. hospitals in florida, texas, arizona, and california continue to be pushed to the brink. the lone hospital in star county, texas, announced it would have to send covid patients home to die with family. on earth two, donald trump and his son seemingly eager to sew fresh doubt about the pandemic, making crazy claims about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine and the supposed uselessness of masks. don, jr. had his account temporarily blocked by twitter for violating the social media company's rules about spreading false information. and wait, there's more. today, senate republicans unveiled a $1 trillion relief bill that's 1/3 the size of the democrat's hero's act and cuts unemployment benefits in the middle of a pandemic. i'm joined by senator chris murphy of connecticut. senator, i hate to even trouble you with this, but donald trump
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today, he's been retweeting accounts with strange things on them, one of which was a doctor who he got questioned about during his briefing today. i just want to let you listen to that. >> the woman that you said was a great doctor and that video that you retweeted last night said that masks don't work and there's a cure for covid-19, both of which health experts say is not true. she's also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using dna from aliens and they're trying to create a vaccine from making you become immune from being religious. >> she said she's had success with hundreds of different patients. i thought her voice was an important voice but i know nothing about her. >> what do you make of the president of the united states retweet thing houston doctor with these strange claims about alien dna, et cetera, as well as continuing to push this
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hydroxychloroquine supposed treatment? >> you know, maybe the president of the united states shouldn't be retweeting someone he says he knows nothing about. the fact of the matter is, this president is incapable of taking this virus seriously. and he's going to continue to try to undermine the very serious efforts of the cdc and state and local public health departments to get it under control. and he's frankly feeding into a much more dangerous narrative that's being propagated by our international adversaries. what we found out recently is that russia has been using very sophisticated means to try to promote some of the very same storylines that trump and his allies are regarding the fake origins of this virus, and the -- and the fact that americans don't need to do as much as we know they need to do in order to counteract it. so the president, whether he knows it or not, is sort of coming into lead with russia and china and other countries that
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are very interested in setting up very false, fake, and damaging narratives about coronavirus and how we get past it. >> there's also a strange sort of reaction to president trump. he doesn't seem that interested in a national mask mandate, but now there's this new information about the administration partnering with the kodak company. i want to let you listen to that. >> my administration has reached a historic agreement with a great american company, you remember this company, it's called, from the good old camera age, the old days, to begin producing critical pharmaceutical ingredients. it's called kodak. with this new agreement, my administration is using the defense production act to provide a $765 million loan to support the launch of kodak pharmaceuticals. >> this sounds honestly i think to the layman's ears like just
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more money going into the hands of another giant corporation. do you think that's a good use of funds when, you know, your colleagues on the other side of the aisle in the senate can't seem to agree to give people $600 more in their unemployment benefits? >> if we didn't have any pharmaceutical companies in this country, maybe it would make sense to start a new one. but if the president's really serious about trying to find a vaccine or treatments, then he should be plugging into the national and international efforts of existing companies that are already pretty far along in their discovery. as you mentioned, if we're going to throw away dollars at a start-up pharmaceutical company, those are dollars that would be going into the pockets of hard-working americans. what we found out yet last night is republicans are going to try to push a bill through with the president's support that would cut unemployment checks by $400 a week, at a moment when 16% of americans have no work. so it is a matter of priorities.
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it seems silly to be investing money in kodak to produce a vaccine or treatments when there are other much more likely companies to invest in. but that money is being taken out of pockets of folks who desperately need it. >> right. the hero's act had three times the amount of money on the table for -- and a lot going into the hands of average americans. with president trump trying to force schools to reopen, schools need resources to do that. states like florida, arizona, texas in dire straits. is there going to be a bill that is meaningful that comes out of the united states senate? >> i think there is going to be a bill. i think republicans in the senate know they can't go home for august, many of them facing re-election without passing legislation that is going to help states confront this virus. but the bill introduced last night was not a serious bill. it had zero money in it for states and municipalities to pay
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for coronavirus related expenses. it had $1.7 billion fund for new source of clients for the president's hotel. and ultimately, mitch mcconnell is going to have to come to the conclusion that he can only pass a bill with democratic votes. right now, about half the republicans in the senate caucus will not vote for any new funding. not a single dollar. so at some point, mcconnell is going to have to fund to leader schumer and democrats and do a deal with us. and i think he'll wait to the last minute to do it, but that's how a meaningful bill with real money, real requirements to stand up a national testing program will get done. >> senator chris murphy, really appreciate you being here tonight. thank you so much for that information. and that is tonight's "reidout." tomorrow night, mary trump will join me. and i will talk to her about the family dysfunction that made her uncle donald the person he is today. you don't want to miss that.
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and "all in with chris hayes," well, that starts right now. 150,000 dead and the president resumes selling snake oil. tonight, the life and death stakes of president trump's anti-science agenda. then chuck schumer on rescue bill negotiations in the senate. and what sure looks like president trump trying to profit off of less skew funds. plus, the perversion of display at today's william barr hearing. and keith ellison on the revelation that the umbrella man inciting looters in minneapolis was an alleged white supremacist spoking racial unrest. when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. yesterday one of the most popular videos on facebook, maybe on the entire internet, was this bizarre press conference by a group of people in white coats standing innt


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