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good afternoon. i'm chris jansing. president trump is in texas today, but one thing didn't go according to plan. he was supposed to be joined by texas congressman louie gomert. but this morning he announced he's tested positive for covid-19. he's pointedly refused to wear a
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mask. dr. anthony fauci said there's no acbu ambiguity. >> all of those trials show consistently that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of coronavirus disease. >> not effective. a distraction at best as the new federal report shows nearly two dozen states are in the red zone. that means they've reported more than a hundred new cases per 100,000 people in the past week. and another major developing story. the ceos of the country's largest tech companies are on the hill for a hearing that will begin this hour. any minute now, in fact. industry giants including jeff bazos, mark zuckerberg, tim cooke are going to address concerns over potential anti-trust violations in big tech. we'll bring you any big developments from that as they happen. but let's start in washington this afternoon where
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republican congressman louie gohmert has canceled that trip with the president after testing positive. he received his diagnosis while at the white house this morning ahead of that planned trip to his home state. the congressman who has repeatedly told media he would not wear a mask unless he had the coronavirus did not wear one at yesterday's judiciary hearing with attorney general bill barr. fellow judiciary committee member and democrat jeffreys reacting to the news on the hill this afternoon. >> i heard about the irresponsible behavior of many of the republicans who have chosen to consistently flout well-established public health guidance perhaps out of fealty to their boss, donald trump, who is the head of the anti-mask movement in america. >> joining me from capitol hill is nbc news correspondent leanne
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caldwell. >> reporter: we know he was supposed to fly with the president on air force one today to get to texas but he got a positive covid test, and so he was unable to make that trip. we also know that he appears to be in his office on capitol hill. he just did an interview with a local television station from his office there. we also know that gohmert is one of a group of house republicans who tend to not wear masks, roaming the halls of capitol hill, being on the house floor. they say they are just -- they say they're not going to do it. as you mentioned gohmert had told the media earlier he would if he tested positive, but it really is emblematic of the mask wars taking place across the country that is also happening here on capitol hill, chris. >> all right, thank you. appreciate that. let's go to the white house now
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where during his departure for texas president trump once again defended his social media endorsement of unfounded online claims about the coronavirus. after attacking what he calls the radical left the president once again defended retweeting a debunked video claiming hydroxychloroquine can cure covid-19. trump also said he's very impressed with the controversial dr. stella emmanuel but insists at the same time he knows nothing about her, but he promoted the video to his 84 million twitter followers. >> i was very impressed with her as doctors are with her. i know-nothing about her. i just saw her making a statement with very respected doctors. she was not alone. she was making a statement about hydroxychloroquine with other doctors that swear by it, that think it's great. so she was not alone. >> with me now nbc news digital
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senior white house reporter shannon pettypiece. hey, shannon. what's the defense here? that the president doesn't know anything about this woman but also her opinion should be trusted? >> reporter: well, it's again one of these situations where the president re-tweets something though the white house is saying he did watch the video before he retweeted it unlike some of the videos he re-tweets. re-tweets things and then has to double down on the defense of tweeting them. the president obviously is a big believer in hydroxychloroquine despite the studies and recommendations from the administration's own doctors like dr. fauci talking about the concerns and efficacy about it. he continues to be a big believer in it. there's others in this administration like peter navarro who have been encouraging and pushing that belief in hydroxychloroquine. and the president is out there looking for defenders. there are not many doctors who are out publicly defending this except for this doctor who as we've noted yesterday has a
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questionable past and has talked about alien dna being used in medications and demons causing illnesses, but he's looking for a defense on this lane and he's found it in this doctor clearly. >> yeah, with demons and aliens. thank you so much for that. we want to talk more about that debunked video that was circulated by president trump. here are just a few of dr. stella emmanuels false claims about the virus. >> i can't here to washington, d.c. to tell america to tell america no needs to get sick. i know if you want to talk about masks, hello you don't need masks. there is a cure. i know they don't want to open schools. you don't need people to be locked down. there is prevention and there is a cure. >> well, that's just part of the story. nbc news has learned of dark money flowing into emmanuel's group which is called america's front line doctors.
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let's bring in nbc news reporter ben collins who broke this story. so, ben, i don't even know where to start here. but tell us about this group. when you look at this video, frankly, unless you're paying attention to what they're saying looks very professional. you know, they're standing with this impressive backdrop. they've all got these white coats on. who are these folks? >> that's exactly the plan, chris. in real life there were just as many people watching that as there were speaking at that event, but on facebook you wouldn't know that. and the 20 million people who saw it in less than 8 hours on facebook wouldn't know it either. it's a group that's been around for 12 days. it's a group that's part of a larger pack called tea party patriots. americas front line doctors what they call themselves registered their domain 12 days ago, a second shot i guess moving the
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needle, shifting the conversation a bit from everybody needs a mask to actually hydroxychloroquine works, don't wear a mask, the president was right all along. and that's what this is about. this is about proving the president right, and lending credence to something that's become like a prophecy on the right wing internet that donald trump knew something about hydroxychloroquine no one else did. >> how did this happen? who's funding this group and groups like this? do we know? >> it's a group back from the tea party days a decade ago, and still made $24 million over the last six years just from donations and doing the sort of stuff on the internet that you see in terms of fund-raising, so that's not new at all. the difference is, you know, the algorithm is -- this controversial sort of stuff that really drives up engagement on this stuff. so by the time facebook gets to
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it it's way too late. and people who are political operatives, they can shift it over to the mask conversation. they can shift over, you know, talk about race and things like that. they can make this just as controversial and they've done that in the last few days. >> i want to ask you since we're going to have all these heads of tech before congress in just a couple of minutes when you look at this kind of thing, and my thought was how does something spread that quickly to this many people. what's the one question congress should be asking? >> what are the guardrails here, and why, by the way? why is this the thing preferred by your algorithm. why is the controversial stuff that gives you miracle cures and quick answers to complicated problems, why is that still the thing being propped up on facebook? and why are the people allowed
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to do it continuing to do it over and over again? it's the same groups, what they call coordinated inauthentic behavior, that's their wording and they're trying to crack down on it now. really what you're going to see today is a ping-pong ball. democrats are going to say why can't you crack down on hate groups, on dangerous misinformation no other country has. and then republicans are going to say this is big tech censorship. why are you sensoring all these people who are may not agree with but they're allowed to say all these things about demons giving you endomitriosis and things like that. that's the fight. but that's what's going to happen. >> ben collins going on the record. thank you, ben. great reporting. people should go online and read your story. there's a new federal report out meantime that was obtained by "the new york times" first. it designates 21 states as red
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zones where the coronavirus is spreading quickly. all of those states had more than 100 new cases per 100,000 people in the last week. the report calls on local leaders to impose new restrictions to stop the spread of covid-19. joining me now is the professor of epidemiology at the ucla fielding school of public health. just last evening the president said most of the u.s. is covid free. now this federal report says the number of red zone states has increased from 18 earlier this month to 21. so where are we really? >> well, you know, this is a good question. and the answer is follow the data. i think in everything we're talking about today we need to follow the data. the data is showing us that we have upticks in cases in many places in this country, and we need to be acting accordingly. if we had a national strategy that laid out exactly what we need to do when we see "x" number of cases and exactly what
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states need to do, how we need to move forward across the board, i think that we would be doing a lot better. the problem is that each state is left to its own devices to figure it out. and so national strategy is where it becomes really critical. and again, we just need to follow the data. >> yeah, even in a place like where i live, new york, where the governor has followed the data from the beginning and has been very strong in what people need to do, we saw a concert in the hamptons, people partying, seeming not to be doing anything in terms of social distancing. what's the potential impact, if any, on these -- do these kinds of events have when you see these new spikes? >> you know, we've seen this in other countries. i'm going to go back to my original statement, follow the data. and the data from other countries show that you can get
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a local epidemic under control, and then you open up like what happened in south korea. you could have a super spreader event at a party or a bar, and all of a sudden you start seeing cases again, and so we have to be very vigilant at all times, and we need to be -- just because we feel like we've gotten, you know, a little bit further along the way like in new york when you start having parties you're starting to have people coming back together, then you're going to see spikes in cases. and, you know, this is really important moment for everybody. if we want to get kids back in school, if we want to reopen the economy we need to really be careful, everybody. just because things are getting a bit better in certain places doesn't mean we're out of the woods. it takes one super spreader event to start a cascade of cases. and so the whole country right now needs to be coming together and really forcing these cases down and avoiding opportunities for big spread if we want to be able to reap the benefits.
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i mean, the bottom line is we are not out of the woods anywhere. >> yeah, i mean you have the mlb season already up ended less than a week in. what is this outbreak among marlins team members mean for the rest of the league, do you think? what should be happening here? >> well, i mean i think it's one of these situations where we get to, quote, yogi bear out here and we can say two things. the future ain't what it used to be, and you can observe a lot by just watching. what are we seeing here? we're seeing that it is very difficult to contain coronavirus and that it spreads easily. we also see that it's very difficult to maintain social distancing. you just look at what happened, you know, in the last couple of days. we see cases with the marlins. we've seen some of this where we see that social distancing is really not possible. those dug outs look pretty crowded. we've had a scenario with the
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game with l.a. and houston where we saw people coming together. it's very difficult under most circumstances to keep people apart, and they're not wearing masks. they're going to be in close proximity. and the virus is there. so i think that we need to be really thinking about how we're going to be able to proceed in a situation where people are not necessarily doing all they need to do. we don't have bubbles the same way we do, and we worry about people coming from other places. these teams are traveling and is so they're bringing people from state to state and we could see more cases and not just in these players, but in anybody else that's in their vicinity. >> anne, we really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today. and a little bit later a growing trend in florida where a growing number of kids are contracting the virus. i'll speak to a florida teacher
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president trump is back in texas this afternoon for the 16th visit of his presidency to the state with growing signs he could lose there. a state he won by 9 points in 2016. in a morning poll released monday night former vice president joe biden leads 47-45 in texas. that marks a dramatic 11 point swing from two months ago. joining me now is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky.
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so this visit is for fund-raising for a visit to an oil rig as i understand it but the backdrop is this polling nosedive, it's serious. tell me a bit what you're seeing and hearing on the ground there. >> reporter: well, i can tell you that as far as statewide polls texas could be considered a battleground state, but at least in this area not just here in midland but across the entire basin when president trump arrives he'll certainly be doing so to a hometown crowd. if you go back in 2016 when he was elected more than 70% of registered voters here went republican compared to texas being 52% republican, so there's a very much bastion for president trump here in the state of texas, and that's likely what he's going to encounter when he lands here in midland he's going to be doing any minute now and a motorcade will take him to odessa where he'll have that private fund-raising event. we confirmed it'll be 120,000
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plate ivent and you can stit with him at an exclusive round table for a price of $100,000. and after that the president will go to tour an oil rig site because as you can see behind me this is really the lifeblood for this area. we didn't to travel far to get a backdrop like this. and if you compare right now to a year ago the crash between the price of oil and saudi arabia driving the price of oil down and add a pandemic to that you have tough times for a lot of folks in this area. we know in the town of odeszasa unemployment has gone from 2% to 20%. people i spoke with today basically shared how tough it's been over the past seven months as it's been a double whammy here in this region. take a listen as one man describes the work environment he's seen play out first-hand. take a listen. how would you describe the past
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few months here between the oil crash and the virus? >> detrimental, i mean it's been bad. i mean the company i worked for we had about 80 people at the beginning of the year and now we're down to about eight. we're holding on by threads. >> reporter: so the virus certainly a concern here in this region but also trying to bring this industry back to life on the forefront of so many minds especially with the president arriving later today. chris? >> morgan chesky, thank you so much for that. meantime joe biden says he'll choose his running mate during the first week in august. that's next week. and thanks to the photo taken of biden's note card by andrew harneck at yesterday's conference there is renewed focus and you can see it there at the top in bidens own, kamala
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harris. so what's the campaign telling you, mike, about biden's notes on harris? >> well, chris, the campaign is not commenting on what he might have meant, what was on those note cards, but you and i covered the white house together. we know what probably was going on here. the vice president's team preparing him for some likely questions as he did take questions from us yesterday in wilmington. and one of the big issues about the deep search here is the question of trust here and whether there's a trust gap between the bidens and kamala harris over that real explosive moment in that first presidential primary debate last year where she went after him for his record about busing. you sue what was on that note card, the idea about not holding grudges, and this is sentiment joe biden has actually expressed before. i want to play for you some sound last december in fact when the former vice president was asked to comment about kamala harris' exit from the race and what it might mean for her political future. let's take a listen. >> would you consider senator
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harris as a running mate? >> of course i would. of coursed >> now a reporter went onto ask the former vice president there whether there were any bad feelings about them about that debate moment. biden said i'm not good to holding onto hard feelings, but let's go back to that word grudges because we know it might not just be joe biden but others in his orbit specifically his wife, jill biden. in her book in 2019 jill biden writes her husband is incapable of holding onto grudges, what does that mean she said i'm the one that ends up being the holder of grudges in the family and she also doesn't believe in
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awarding bad behavior. that's the big question whether there are other voices in the vice president's ear about whether or not kamala harris could be the kind of trusted partner in the white house that joe biden has said consistently he wants to have. >> the other thing i thought when i saw that photograph, mike, neither here or there is who wrote that because the writing was so clear we could see everything. if you looked at my notes there's no way you could figure that out. is that joe biden's handwriting? >> that looked to me, chris, like joe biden's handwriting, yes. >> really, you could tell he went to catholic grade school where the nuns went -- anyway, a conversation for another day where you got in trouble when they couldn't read your handwriting. meantime, we have some not so good news. disturbing new trends in florida where a growing number of people are contracting the coronavirus. the florida education association calls it an alarming development with the start of school just weeks away. we've got that next. t weeks away we've got that next.
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the shortened baseball season after an outbreak of coronavirus among 17 players and staff. the miami marlins baseball season is on pause. the team remains in isolation, and there have been no new cases reported. the phillies who were hosting the marlins in philadelphia when the outbreak was reported are off until friday. the new york department of health is investigating an outdoor concert after social media appeared to show large crowds defying social distancing orders at a party in the hamptons. the chain smokers headlined the charity event and the ceo of goldman sachs also served as a dj. attendees were supposed to stay in their cars at the drive-in show, not gather in a crowd at the stage. in a statement, though, organizers say they followed all current and proper safety protocols. roy cooper has announced a ban on alcohol sales after 11:00 p.m. trying to slow the spread of the virus. the order begins friday and will remain in effect all through august. one of the largest teachers
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unions is giving the go ahead for potential strikes. the american federation of teachers introduced safety bench marks for schools. and if schools fail to meet those standards the union gave its 1.7 million members permission to participate in what they're calling safety strikes. florida set a new record for covid-19 related deaths today. the state reported 216 people died. more than 9,000 new cases across florida. among the total reported cases are 31,000 children. that's up 34% in just the last eight days. joining me from fort lauderdale, florida, is nbc news correspondent kerry sanders. hey, kerry. so the state is requiring schools to open for in-person learning this month. what are you hearing from parents while we're in the middle of this news of increased cases among kids? >> well, it's a troubling statistic for parents because on the one hand that they hear the governor, the education commissioner telling all the counties in the state of florida
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that they should open their schools, that they should have in-class learning but at the same time they see these statistics we have across the country 75 children who have died from coronavirus, many who did not even have underlying conditions. and then they look at the county by county statistics which we can show you here a positivity results for children. that's people under the age of 18. and as you look at some of the numbers they're eye popping. 1 in 4 in martin county. 21%, and we get down to the epicenter in miami-dade county 19.6%. in broward county 17.1%. that's just north of miami-dade county. in fact the hospital reporting many of the patients are now crossing over to the hospitals here. so you look at parents who are soo sort of in a quandary and somewhat confused. some are saying what they're going to do is home schooling. now, that's different than learning at home through the internet with your teacher at the county school.
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it's rather setting up a program, yvette garcia who we see in the video with her 5-year-old son has said she's decided to do itch she's found a company and she fears if he goes into the school he may bring home coronavirus. >> i'm not a teacher. i am worried, concerned. it's something different, something my family has never dealt with. you know, we've always gone to public school or an institution, so this is different. but, you know, just take it day by day and just learn from it. if we have to do it for an extended amount of time then, you know, we'll perfect it. >> reporter: saying she may have to do this for a long time
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because people are wondering when there will be a vaccine. and again, in her particular case her son would go to school if he did come home and not only be with her as a single parent but also with her parents, his grandparents and she fears he would bring something into the home. finally to underscore all of this we're talk about kids, parents but there's also the teachers. and a usa today survey found 1 in 5 teachers say if they don't feel safe about the way the schools are setup they're not going back to school either. >> kerry sanders, thank you for that. stay safe down there. let's go to capitol hill now because the tech ceos are beginning their opening statements. let's listen. >> offering every day low prices, making promises and keeping them and making principled decisions even when they are unpopular. and our approach is working. 80% of americans have a favorable impression of amazon overall. who do americans trust more than amazon to do the right thing?
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only their doctors and the military. the retail market we participate in is extraordinarily large and competitive. amazon accounts for less than 1% of the $25 trillion global retail market, and less than 4% of u.s. retail. there's room in retail for multiple winners. we compete against large established players like target, costco, kroger and of course wal-mart, a company more than twice amazon's size. we made a decision for other sellers to sell in our store, to share the same valuable real estate we spent billions to market and maintain. we believe combining the strengths of amazon's star with the vast selection of products offered by third parties would be a better experience for customer and the growing pie of revenue and profits would be big enough for all. we were betting it was not a zero-sum game.
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fortunately, we were right. there are now 1.7 million small and medium sized businesses selling on amazon. the trust customers put in us every day has allowed amazon to create more jobs in the united states over the past decade than any other company. hundreds of thousands of jobs across 42 states. amazon employees make a minimum of $15 an hour, more than double the federal minimum wage. >> you're listening to jeff bazos who is the ceo of amazon. he's also the richest man in the world. you're looking at what the members of that subcommittee are seeing right now, all of these tech ceos are going to be appearing virtually. but the stakes are incredibly high. they're considering how to write anti-trust legislation, whether they should rethink current anti-trust laws, so we're going to continue to listen into that. karen swisher is going to be with us very shortly, but let's go back to florida for a second
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because that situation is so serious, that growing number of coronavirus cases in kids. and the florida education association has called the increase alarming. districts making plans to bring students back into the classroom later this month in spite of those numbers. joining me now is carla hernandez, the president of united teachers of dade and a former middle schoolteacher herself. it's so good of you to join us. tell me just boughten line what's the number one concern you have, your members have about returning students and staff to classrooms this fall? >> our biggest concern is honestly the transmission. we know that the health of all, you know, the students, the faculty, the staff, even the community members because these children will go back to their home is extremely important to us. and, you know, we are concerned about the long-term impact this will have on children. we know that as an urban school district many of our students are minority that live in
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multigenerational homes. that means they live with their grandparents, sometimes their uncles and aunts, and it's multiple generations living in one home. and so, you know, because we don't have enough information on how this is transmitted with younger kids, you know, this is something that really is frightening for us. and we just want to do the right thing because at the end of the day we care about our kids and we miss them as much as they miss us and we know parents want us to be back into normal state. but we are just really concerned with the nonchalant attitude -- >> so as an affiliate of the american nfederation of teacher are your local leaders ready to strike if they don't feel it's for them, their students, for their staff members? >> so i think that what the american federation of teachers
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has done what they have stated was something worth applauding. and let me tell you why that was necessary. that was necessary because of the lack of leadership we have seen consistently. you know, there are a few states that have provided i know california, and texas the governor has also -- but on a very large scale what we're seeing is leaders saying every school must be open brick and mortar. and because they're doing and because we are appalled that they are basically holding us ransome and saying if we don't do it you're not going to get funded, it has created this situation where now the national union, the american federation of teachers is saying we're going to have a safety strike because we care about the safety of our children. we care about the safety of our faculty and staff, and we must ensure that all communities are safe. and here in miami-dade, you know, we are the epicenter of the nation right now. we have a superintendent who we've been working on with the
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opening since this summer because we really hoped we would be able to reopen if we were in a phase two, and we're in a phase one that's deteriorated right before our eyes, and it's just a hazard. we won't be able to do it, unfortunately, because not enough adults have taken the right precautions and done what's necessary to make sure that we have the conditions that are right for our kids to return. they can't hold this burden and onus on us as educators. we closed early to keep everybody in a bubble. we did the right things. we needed leaders and the community to do their part, which is wear masks, which is make sure that they were strict on the guidelines of social distancing so we wouldn't have this pandemic here locally, the transmission rates increase the way they are now. and so now we're seeing a lot of pressure on us when at the end of the day we did everything we had to do correctly, and we were hoping other people would do things correctly so we could start our schools on time.
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>> you and your members facing what so many others all around the country are face, these very difficult decisions. we know you want to do what's best for your kids. we thank you so much for what you do every day, and thank you for being on the program. meantime we're continuing to keep our eye on the ceos of the most powerful tech giants. they're before congress trying to make the case maybe that they're not actually that powerful. from stifling competition to their platforms allowing disinformation to spread will they accept accountability? kara swisher will join me next. y kara swisher will join me next r. because when caught early, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your prescriber if cologuard is right for you. i'm on it. that's a step in the right direction.
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some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines, and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. some of the most powerful and richest people in the world are on capitol hill today. the heads of google, facebook, apple and amazon testifying before the house anti-trust subcommittee. it's the first time that amazon's ceo jeff bazos faces questions from congress. with me now is kara swisher, the co-host of the pivot podcast and
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"the new york times" and msnbc contributor. this is a little awkward because everybody is remote and all of that, but this is an anti-trust hearing. that's part of this. the other topic on everyone's mind is disinformation. we've barely gotten into the opening statement so we don't have a lot to tell people. the questions and answers are going to be the meat of this. but let's start just because of what happened and has unfolded over the last oh, 12, 16 hours or so with facebook, and you have this supposed doctor who believes in demons and the president retweeting. let's talk about disinformation, what questions you want to hear answered. where should these members of this subcommittee be really honing in? >> well, let's focus on disinformation but let's not. let's focus on power and anti-trust, which is what this is about. what happens is they go down
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other alley ways which is all part of power. it's systemic starting with the fact these companies have unfettered power to make these decisions whether it be on disinformation, hate speech, turning things off, turning things on, addiction. it goes on and on and on, political advertising. so the fact they have no guardrails, there's no regulations especially when there's abuses, and there's not always abuses let's just say. it's unfettered power almost always leads to abuses. it's pretty much historical whether it's at&t or standard oil or whatever. so the question is have these companies become the standard oil of the current times? and then you can get at the issues of misinformation like this -- that this ridiculous thing on facebook and twitter for a while and then garnered 14 million views. why is that allow today go up? what is the system and architecture like? where is there no ability to have any guardrails here? you can't let these companies police themselves. these are the questions they should talk about. not whether eric trump went off
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twitter for 12 hours. he violated the rules and that's what happened. >> shiny object, right? >> yeah. it's a power they need to talk about. unfettered, unregulated power, and that's what should be the focus of these congress people. >> so the focus is supposed to be how to rethink anti-trust law and without getting too deep into the weeds, what are the keys they should be looking at here? >> marketplace domination. should amazon be selling things and at the same time controlling the marketplace and access to the data of marketplace of other sellers? there's so such thing as big tech. there are big tech companies that have different issues. apple around the apple store, whether they have too much control around developers. it's whether they have decision makers that changes and is it enforced unfairly, i think a lot of developers believe it is, are they scared of them. so that's a dominant share. they will say they don't have a
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dominant share but it's just google and them in the phone market. hate speech. have they bought up all the competitors so no one can innovate and create safer social media experiences. google search same thing, are they advantaging their products in their search, and secondly should they be competing with people they are serving, and do they have too much search dominance, which i think we all can agree they do. they have an enormous search dominance. the question is what do we do about it, and why hasn't there been another competitor ever since forever? why wasn't their innovation in social media, search, e commerce and apps. so that's the kind of thing you need to talk about that. and they may have different solutions for each of them. that's the problem here. it's very complex. >> it's complex. we've been talking about it for years. we haven't seen a change. we haven't seen that rethinking. we'll see if today prompts any of that. kara swisher, always great to
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have you on the program. thank you. meantime, let's take a live look at atlanta where the casket of congressman john lewis has arrived at the state capitol there, and we will go live for a report next. te capitol there, and we will go live for a report next.
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we are live in georgia where congressman john lewis' life is being celebrated this afternoon. you see the honor guard carrying his casket. it had been flown from washington, d.c. to atlanta, where he will lie in state there in georgia's capitol building. there will be a ceremony scheduled to begin in just a few minutes. but in the ride along the way, people stood at attention. people raised their fists in salute. day five of this celebration of the life of congressman john lewis. joining me now from atlanta is nbc's priscilla thompson. what are we expecting today? >> hi, there. yes, so as you can see, the casket going up those steps, being carried by the honor guard, and you have governor brian kemp and mayor keisha lance bottoms, who were here to
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receive that and are now, you know, making their way inside. the family off to the side there, also, you know, here in reverence to this moment. but one thing that you probably cannot see or hear are there are crowds of people on either side of the street, and as soon as that casket began to come out of the hearse, you heard them begin to shout, you know, good trouble, and just cheer as, you know, representative lewis is being brought in for the last time here for a viewing and for folks to pay their respects, as he lies in state and in just a little while, there is going to be a private ceremony that will get under way, and we expect the governor and mayor to be speaking there and the family will be there along with dignitaries, and after that, these doors are actually going to be open for the public, so for all of these people who are sort of out here standing along the street, they'll be able to go in and actually pay their
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respects. their last respects to the congressman who represented this district here in atlanta for so many years. and his fraternity brothers are also going to be holding a private ceremony later tonight to honor him, but folks will be able to come here until 10:00 p.m. tonight, and that will sort of being the final time he will lie in state overnight, and then tomorrow morning, make that final journey on to ebenezer baptist church where a private service will take place before he's -- >> when he finally made his last departure from washington, d.c. earlier today, but how fitting to see him heading into this state capitol there in atlanta. priscilla thompson, thank you so much for that. and thank you for your reporting throughout all of this. we do appreciate it. that's going to do it for me this hour. i'm chris jansing, chuck todd
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misinformation from the white house over treating the virus. earlier, andrea mitchell pressed dr. anthony foich fauci about h feels about the president's continued embrace of hydroxy c chloroquine. >> all of those trials showed consistently that hydroxychloroquine is not effective in the treatment of coronavirus disease or covid-19. meanwhile, this hour, georgia is honoring the late congressman and civil rights icon john lewis at the state capitol today, where he will lie in state before he is laid to rest tomorrow. any moment, we expect to hear from atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms and the governor, brian kemp. >> we have breaking news out of oregon. after two weeks of serious clashes with protesters, federal agents will be leaving portland. that's according it the state's governor. that comes just hours after pres

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