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defiant, divisive and doubling down. that's president trump just a few minutes away from heading out on the controversial trip to kenosha, wisconsin, planning to thank and meet with police officers, but not with jacob blake's family. he refuses to condemn the teen charged with killing two protesters and overnight he compared police shootings to missing a golf putt. >> they choked, like in a golf tournament. i'm saying people choke. >> while the president argue his kenosha visit could increase enthusiasm, leaders in kenosha worry it could escalate tensions instead. they're planning to try to keep things calm. i'm hallie jackson in washington. we have a lot to get to. to start us off is monica alba with gabe gutierrez and
shaquille brewster. we're getting a better idea of what president trump's trip is going to look like today, right? >> reporter: exactly, hallie. he'll be heading to kenosha, wisconsin, to meet with local law enforcement there, tour damage to several businesses that were affected in the rioting and the protests and demonstrations following the shooting of jacob blake, and then he's also going to be holding a round table on community safety, we understand, but nothing on the books in terms of a meeting with jacob blake or his family. after a lot of back and forth, we understand there has been some contact between the white house and the president, aparentally reached out to the pastor of jacob blake's mother, but there is no official meeting on the schedule, the president saying, because he didn't want to be a part of a conversation where lawyers were present, he says that would be inappropriate. but the president really heading to wisconsin today after raising a lot of eyebrows seemingly defending kyle rittenhouse who has been charged with shooting to death two people in the
unrest following those protests. take a listen to how the president answered a question about whether he would condemn that violence and rittenhouse specifically at a press conference last night at the white house. >> he was trying to get away from them, i guess, looks like. and he fell and then they very violently attacked him and it was something that we're looking at right now and it is under investigation, but i guess he was in very big trouble. he would have been -- he probably would have been killed. >> reporter: hallie, there are continued calls for the president to condemn that violence and rittenhouse specifically. but an interview last night with fox news, he also raised really some conspiracy theories about other violence, a plot potentially against a republican national convention that he didn't want to go into detail with, but which really links back to something disproven months ago and saying the shooter, the police officer who
shot jacob blake in the back seven times choked and compared him to somebody playing a round of golf. you even had laura ingraham interrupting the president saying, you certainly aren't comparing that to that, which is in effect exactly what the president was doing. a lot to be seen in a very fraught situation here, hallie, if the president heads to kenosha, with so many questions about what people want him to do and his critics suggesting he's taking advantage of the turmoil by going there despite calls for him to reconsider the visit. >> he is set to leave in about 25 minutes or so. not on the chopper, but it is possible he may speak to the media before or before arriving in kenosha. gabe you're on the ground there. a lot of the leaders in the area, they talked about wanting time to heal in kenosha. there are some events planned for today to try to help encourage that very thing. sort of healing coming together, keeping the calm.
what can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, hallie, the blake family as you mentioned is back and forth with the white house, not scheduled it meet with the president as of yet. but instead, blake family is expected to be right here in the neighborhood where jacob blake was shot more than a week ago, seven times by kenosha police. community leaders are organizing a rally of sorts, a peaceful gathering that they hope will serve as a contrast to what they see as divisive rhetoric coming from the white house. as you mentioned, the governor and mayor here are both said they do not want the president here, the mayor saying that perhaps at least wait a few days, perhaps into next week because the resources are stretched so thin here, the county executive here in kenosha yesterday pushing that cart as well with regards to the tweet the president put out yesterday, it was insistence that the national guard come here, that that was the reason for the relative calm in kenosha, without that national guard kenosha would be no more. the county executive pushing back hard and saying that is a
false statement and, again, a lot of controversy here with regards to this trip. we did speak with some of president trump's supporters, however, who do say they do want the president here, they see this as strong leadership coming from the white house, but, again, many others here including the president of the naacp say they do not want kenosha to be used as a campaign tool. in a few hours, a community gathering expected here, in the neighborhood, where jacob blake was shot, we expect to hear from the blake family even as the president is here not too far away touring the damage and meeting with law enforcement. >> also some concern about the possibility of clashes between the groups that gabe is talking about here, people that want the president in town, people concerned about him being here. what can you tell us about preparations on that front? >> reporter: well, you see some of the guard members behind me. here in kenosha, there has been a heightened security presence
since well before the president announced his trip here. an additional 500 members of guard coming in from three other states to assist. there is a curfew in effect for a week, that continues through the holiday weekend. it is because of that the mayor saying though he opposes the president's trip, the mayor saying now is not the time, now is the time for healing, the mayor saying there is enough of a security presence to keep the president safe and to keep protesters and people in the community safe. and that's really the concern here, with the presidential trip, of course, not only do you have people who support the president and come out and show their support for the president, but you have people who oppose the president who come into town expressing their opposition. just a plane overhead that said reject trump's hate. and it is that sense that people -- that increase of tension that people are concerned about at this point. we know there are protests that are expected in addition to the family gathering that they're
having, that where gabe is at now. the concern is that you have clashes between people who support the president and people who oppose the president at a time when tensions are so high and at a time when the emotion is still heightened. hallie? >> shaq brewster with gabe gutierrez and monica alba in washington. thanks to you all. i want to bring in anthony davis, president of kenosha's naacp chapter. thank you for being with us today. >> thank you, hallie, for having me on. >> i know you're getting ready to head to the event that gabe was talking about earlier in the show. like the mayor and the governor, you asked president trump to postpone his trip, to reconsider his visit today. you talked about the need for ce president's rational to move forward with the trip, which he says is to thank and support national law enforcement. >> right now because of what we have been through, you know, with jacob blake getting shot, and then also the other
protesters being killed and one being injured, we're at a point now and all -- thinking about all the damage that has been done, we're at a point right now here in kenosha, we're trying to heal, we're trying to come together. and with the president coming because we know we're in the middle of a election cycle. and the people that i talked to, throughout the community, feel that if we were to even show up near that area -- the areas where the damage is taken place, we would be used as a tool in this election process. we do not want to be used in that fashion. it would be best at the time that he would cancel his trip, because like i said, it is going to bring some heightened anxieties and contention here. so our goal is to try to
de-escalate wherever we can. >> you talk about the potential for heightened anxieties. how confident are you in the preparations that have been made for today? >> well, today i spoke with jacob's uncle yesterday, we were in a meeting, and said, look, let's all go to the area where jacob had been shot seven times. so we're going to go support that family during this time and we're hoping everyone that supports the family because they asked that people do not go to those areas and protest while the president is here. >> the president made some new comments about the use -- about police force, police shootings, on fox news overnight. i want to play a piece of that for you and get your reaction. here it is. >> okay. >> they choked.
shooting a guy -- shooting a guy in the back many times, i mean, couldn't you have done something different? couldn't you have wrestled him? i mean, in the meantime, he might have been going for a weapon and, you know, it is a whole big thing there. but they choke. just like in a golf tournament. >> you hear the host step in and say, you're not comparing these two things, are you, the president says i'm just saying sometimes people choke. i want to know what your reaction is to that. >> i play golf. i know about choking. but i understand you're talking about a life here. a man has been injured. you cannot equate golf and a man's life. i just don't see that. it doesn't make sense. what i would like to see and what people like to see as far as -- our police, our law enforcement to learn more about the de-escalating situation of this sort. that would have been the right thing we felt would have been, you know, done at that time.
so golf and -- no. i disagree. >> let me ask you this, i understand, i understand you had some concerns about president trump visiting kenosha, what about former vice president joe biden? are you aware of any plans for potentially him to come to kenosha to visit and is that something you would support? >> not at this time. i would not like to see either candidate here. we have our own issues here in kenos kenosha. we're somewhat of a bedroom community. and we need this time. we don't need to be having candidates come here and talking to the people or hearing this or that or about what they're going to do. we just need some time for ourselves. the leadership here in this community is working hard, trying to do those things. bring our people together. and look at where we can go in the future as far as rebuilding all those businesses and -- that have been damaged, and folks have been displaced out of their
homes and also we're doing this during a time of covid-19, which makes it even more difficult to deal with. so when you gather a whole lot of people together, for something like that, where we have political candidates coming into town, it just gets even scarier. especially for our minority community. >> anthony davis of the naacp there in kenosha, i appreciate you being onyx kn. we'll follow everything that happens on the ground in wisconsin here on msnbc. thank you. one of the new conspiracy theories being pushed by the president, who he says may be controlling biden's campaign, manipulating him. later this hour, reaction from one of joe biden's senior advisers. first, no kennedy has ever lost a race in massachusetts. but will that streak end today? it may be one of the most fascinating senate primary races this cycle. congressman joe kennedy and ed markey, a primary day in the bay
and the question has been and is now how we handle it. how we hold ourselves accountable, how we do the work and especially how we hold our leaders accountable. and especially how we hold our leaders accountable. so 26-0, that's a real good record, whether it is sports or trivia night, but it is especially good in politics. if your last name is kennedy, that's your record in races in massachusetts. what is the only thing better than 26-0? 27-0, right? if most of the polls are correct, someone with that storied last name will lose a democratic primary for the first time ever in that state. congressman joe kennedy iii at risk of snapping that historic decades long streak, trying to take down sitting senator ed markey, born the year kennedy's great uncle john f. kennedy was first elected to congress in 1946. right now, almost all the polls show 74-year-old incumbent leading and some cases by double digits, and it is all because of a wave of support from young activists, particularly young progressive voters. here is the thing, this is not
just dividing massachusetts democrats, some voices like congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez backing markey and nancy pelosi. garrett, this is not the race that joe kennedy expected to be in a year ago, and a magazine poll he had a 17-point lead over the senator. talk about how and why this race has changed so dramatically and what he's been saying to you as you caught up with him in the last 24 hours? >> reporter: you talk about the kennedy record here, it is like people in boston probably never thought tom brady would leave either. the possibility that a kennedy could lose on home turf is increasingly real. there are a couple of reasons for that, not the least of which is something you just laid out with the endorseendorsements. we talk about how they don't matter in politics until sometimes they do. in this case, getting the support of his fellow bay stater elizabeth warren and
congresswoman ocasio-cortez helped ed markey consolidate the progressive vote, helped convince particularly younger voters that despite his own age, he was the candidate of younger ideas. and then the pandemic also played a factor. it is always challenging to take on an incumbent, even when your last name is kennedy, but especially hard when you can't campaign and press the flesh in the way that candidate kennedy liked to do, like i saw him do at a late night rally he held last night outside at an ibew parking lot. he described the reasons why he's running and the challenge of doing it in this environment. >> i know we can be better. i don't think you're going to be able to be better if you -- you're not here, not fighting with everything you got. i respect the senator. but i think -- we got a great rally here tonight.
every stop i have done literally dozens over the course of the past ten days plus, the response is strong. >> reporter: and, hallie, kennedy has really been hitting the ground running here, particularly in more working class neighborhoods like dorchester where i am in boston. that's where the kennedy campaign sees the opportunity to make up ground with blue collar workers, workers, people of color. they think that's the lane for joe kennedy iii if he is going to beat the polls and make a comeback here today. >> you also have the senator who is popular with young voters, in particular, sort of become this -- i don't want to say his norm core style, why now for congressman kennedy? why did he feel this was the right moment for him. some talk that if joe biden does win the presidency, puts elizabeth warren in the cabinet, that might open up the slot.
>> reporter: those are all elements here. the congressman gets that question so often. he's made it a part of his stump speech. he uses it as a rallying point to say the people in the communities like this one don't ask him those questions. it is just we washington journalists who worry about that. it is an effective line for him, but it does, you know, not to get into the politics of massachusetts, where this is a -- such a reliably democratic state, once you get to the upper seats, you don't leave. his own uncle, great uncle, senator for nearly 50 years, and ed markey in state politics here for nearly 50 years. you have to move when the time is right to move. i think when kennedy made the decision to make that jump, that was about six lifetimes ago in our current political moment and now he's facing an up or out situation. >> steve, to you. what does the data tell us about what we might see tonight in massachusetts? >> you mentioned that kennedy record there in massachusetts, when this race starts, as you say, it looked luke eed like a
in kennedy's favor. go back to jfk, 1946, he ran for the house of representatives, he won that race. he won a senate race in sidentis 6-0 in massachusetts democratic primaries. his brother ted kennedy, 1962, kenne kennedy's opponent in the '62 democratic primary famously said if your name sir were edward moore and not edward moore kennedy, your candidacy would be a joke. a heck of a line, but kennedy won. and kennedy won nine more times. he was 10-0 in massachusetts. joe kennedy ii, father of joe kennedy iii, 6-0, won six terms to the house of representatives and now joe kennedy iii, four times since 2012. add them all together, that's 26 wins, no losses for kennedys in massachusetts, democratic primaries. ed markey, been there since '76,
on capitol hill since '76, that special election in 2013, john kerry became secretary of state, ed markey ran in that, finally got to -- ed markey was trying to get to the senate thinking about it for 30 years, he finally did in 2013. now kennedy comes along, joe kennedy iii, thinks he can beat him in his primary. but the polling, here it is, three polls, in the last week, before this election, 16 for markey, 12 for markey, 10 for markey, three double digit leads for markey. as garrett mentioned, a lot of votes going out there being cast today, we'll see if there is some surge turn around if that can help kennedy. worth noting though, tons, hundreds of thousands, three-quarters of a million votes already cast by mail in this primary, massachusetts doing something here they haven't done before, like a lot of other states. >> talk about that a little bit, steve. we have brand-new numbers out. it shows a majority of adults do intend to vote early, either in person or by mail, but there is
a difference in this when you break it down by party. tell us more. >> take a look here. i think there is -- i meant to mention this too, keep an eye tonight, we have been saying house races, a lot of house incumbents have lost primaries this year. might be -- we'll see tonight one more in danger, richard neil, democrat, long serving democrat from western mass, that primary is tonight too. we'll keep an eye on that. you mentioned the numbers here, 52% saying they are going to vote early, a lot of those saying they're going to -- 33% saying they're going to vote by mail. the big partisan split here, this is heavily democrats, the 33%, who say they're going to vote by mail in this, the 19% who say -- excuse me, 52%, that is much more republican, so big split there, republicans going same day, democrats going by mail. that's what we're seeing in those numbers. >> super interesting. steve kornacki, garrett haake, thank you. lots to talk about throughout the night on msnbc with that. coming up, the new covid hot
spots. nine states seeing spikes and setting records even while the rest of the country is seeing declines. first, simone sanders from the biden campaign is standing by. her reaction to the president's latest attacks on biden's ability to keep you safe. plus, will he plan a visit to kenosha? that's next. he plan a visit to kenosha? that's next.
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president trump is about to leave the white house for kenosha, wisconsin, any minute. before he did, he hit up fox news to get a few things off his chest. listen. >> who do you think is pulling biden's strings, is it former obama people? >> people you never heard of, people in the dark shadow, people that -- >> what does that mean? that sounds like conspiracy theory, what is that? >> people you haven't heard of. people on the streets. there are people that are controlling the streets. >> let me bring in simone sanders, senior adviser to the biden campaign. thank you for being on. dark shadows, the president did not explain what he meant. what do you make of that? >> i don't know. i can only attribute it to president trump doesn't have a plan, he doesn't have a re-election strategy, and he is
intent on making up things. he's flailing. there is lots of talk about a post convention bump, if you will. a morning consult poll is out today that i know folks here on msnbc have been talking about, and it shows that the race is virtually unchanged and all of the battleground states except one, where the change was minimal. the reality is i think, you know, president trump is reaching here. reaching for what? i don't know. >> i want to add, we mentioned that morning consult poll, it shows president trump -- president trump is behind joe biden by eight points, biden is also ahead in several battleground states, tight in georgia, north carolina, florida, texas, in ohio the president leads by five. how much stock do you put in that, as you talked about, post convention? >> well, look, i think we have always said that the polls were going to tighten, this was going to be a race and it was going to be a fight. we never -- we always said,
frankly, that it is going to be hard to beat donald trump, we can and we will beat donald trump and we have to wage a competitive race. the reality is in states across the country, what folks are dealing with, they are thinking about how they are -- how they're mitigating covid, what is the plan for their children, for many who have gone back to school or will be going back to school shortly, how can they keep them safe, how can they work and school their children from home? what about folks who lost their jobs? 60 million people in this country out of work. 180,000 folks have lost their lives to covid-19. and so what folks are dealing with across this country are real issues, looking for a leadership, they are looking for someone with a plan, and frankly at every turn donald trump is demonstrating that's not helped. >> as we talked about the president as you know is heading to wisconsin today, simone,
there has been discussion of whether or if joe biden will follow suit and go it kenosha at some point. i want to play for you what the head of the local chapter of the naacp told me earlier in the show when i asked him about that. listen. >> i would not like to see either candidate here. we have our own issues here in kenosha. we're a, you know, somewhat of a bedroom community, and we need this time. we don't need to be having candidates come here, and talking to the people or hearing this or that or about what they're going to do, we just need some time for ourselves. >> is your campaign taking local sentiments like that into account and are you advising the former vice president he should go to kenosha or not? >> well, look, hallie, we are going to go to wisconsin very soon, we're looking forward to getting back to the state all throughout the state and the reality is that, you know, president davis is right there, there is a lot of feelings in
the community, they're dealing with a lot, the community is reeling, but i would argue that they have been handling it well. i saw pictures over the weekend of peaceful -- of a peaceful rally that came together with the lieutenant governor there, mandela barnes, jacob blake's mother, mrs. jackson, recovery efforts under way of folks in the community in kenosha, rebuilding their communities. so we -- i completely understand what is happening on the ground, we completely understand the sentiment and frankly i think that's why president trump specifically his visit is so concerning. donald trump has done nothing but fan the flames, pour gasoline on racial tensions in this country. there is nothing to indicate that he is going to do anything different today than he has done over the last couple of weeks, he's done throughout this entire campaign and throughout his entire presidency. >> i want to ask you about his speech yesterday. just for clarity here, will the
vice president -- is the vice president planning then to go to kenosha or not? >> i don't have anything to -- news to break for you today, hallie. i can tell you we're looking forward to getting to wisconsin very soon. >> let me play a little bit from the former vice president's speech yesterday. the one in pittsburgh in which he basically indicted the president on this law and order message. listen. >> supposed to be protecting this country, but instead he's rooting for chaos and violence. rioting is not protesting. looting is not protesting. setting fires is not protesting. these are not images of some joe biden america of the future, these are are images of donald trump's america today. >> the trump campaign later put out a statement that biden failed to condemn antifa, going so far as to say, it is almost impossible to tell where his campaign ends and where antifa begins.
you heard biden condemn violence there in that speech. do you think he needs to explicitly call out antifa or is that capitulating to donald trump campaign attack line? >> i think the trump campaign is trying to draw this imaginary line, but what they need to be concerned about, frankly, the fact that the president of the united states is unable to condemn white supremacist violence. the white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany was asked yesterday, does the president condemn the violence, in portland? does he -- what does he have a message for his supporters who were inciting violence in the streets? she demured. then president trump directly was asked would he condemn that violence and he again demured. as vice president did yesterday in putting out a statement last night, we call on president trump to join joe biden in condemning the violence. violence regardless of political party, violence is not okay. violence does not serve the greater purpose. we echo -- i echo the sentiments
of jacob blake's mother, mrs. jackson, who said that, you know, this violence is not representative of her son, not representative of her family and not what she wants. she is calling for peace throughout the country. i would add this, the trump campaign yesterday, they didn't really have a lot to say about vice president biden's speech that was rooted in facts and that is because they could not compete with the speech on the merits, on the facts. they are intent on making up lies, there was a video that the trump campaign tried to manipulate and take it out of context because they cannot compete with the merits of what joe biden is saying. the question on the table is, are you safe in donald trump's america? and unequivocally the answer is clearly no. >> symone sanders, we'll live it there for today. thank you for being back on the show. senior adviser to the joe biden campaign, thank you. to the coronavirus crisis,
with some new headlines. the top infectious disease dr. anthony fauci asked americans to avoid crowds, social distance this labor day weekend, saying it is going to be key in trying to determine whether the u.s. gets a running start at containing a potential second wave of coronavirus this fall. and while most states across the country are seeing a decline in covid, states in the midwest, iowa, kansas, minnesota, the dakotas, they all added more cases in a recent week long stretch than in any previous week of the pandemic. in each, some of the biggest surges in new case numbers have come in college towns. and while the curve is going down in california, it became the first state to pass 700,000 covid cases. one farm forced to close after almost 400 employees tested positive for the virus. eight have now died. jake ward joins us now from that plant in california. jake, what do we know about the plant to get this under control where you are. >> reporter: good morning, hallie. i'm standing here in merced
county, part of california's great central valley, home to incredible numbers of agricultural factories, farms, the rest of it. the factory you're seeing behind me, a poultry processing plant run by foster farms is now the site of a terrible outbreak. what county officials here call one of the most severe and longest lasting outbreaks in the county. now, i want to just point out that merced county with so many rural hard working counties here in california is home to terrible numbers when it comes to the coronavirus. the positive percentage rate now is about 18.9%. which stands out in even a state as hard hit as california. and it is not just this plant. it is, of course, also psychiatric facilities, retirement homes, prisons here in this county that are are being hit so hard, and that's all a category of work you cannot do from home. people here are really taking it
on the chin. i spoke earlier to an organizer who works -- the executive director of a nonprofit that works with workers here, important to note this factory is one of the largest employers of punjaby sikhs in the nation. here is what he had to say about the people he's been talking to. >> one particular worker that i had a chance to engage with, his words left an impression on me, he said -- so which means that they call us essential, but they treat us as most expendable. >> reporter: now, as of tonight, this plant will be forced to close by county officials for six days. foster farms told us in a statement, during this time the company will complete two rounds of deep cleaning, and two rounds of covid-19 testing covering all 1400 plant employees.
foster farms will pay employees during the time the plant is closed. and once it reopens, the company says it is going to take a long list of measures trying to keep people more separate than they have been, doing on site temperature screening, a whole bunch of precautions. the questions remain here, hallie, why did it take this long for health officials to step in when they first knew there was an outbreak in late june, and only now at the end of august is a shutdown taking place? why is it that they're only shutting down for six days when we know that the incubation period can be as long as 14 and why does the burden keep falling on the lowest paid workers in america? >> jake ward live for us there in california, great to see you on the show. thank you very much for bringing us that reporting. breaking news, the mayor of new york city in the last couple of minutes has announced a delay to the start of in person classes for public school students. mayor bill de blasio is pushing that back to september 21st at the earliest.
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fiction. >> reporter: hallie, good day. this is really becoming a problem across the country. we're talking about the dramatic increase in homicides from here in d.c. to kansas city, chicago, out to the west coast, out to oakland. there is really no single reason for this, according to the experts, but they do say that the pandemic and the economy are like throwing gasoline on a simmering fire. it is happening across the country, in cities big and small, a dramatic spike in homicides. in los angeles, new york, in nashville, in denver. >> it is not okay that this surge in crime is impacting our vulnerable populations. >> reporter: 89% increase in minneapolis. more than 100% in milwaukee. in chicago, more than 505 deaths just this year. >> i'm tired of it. >> reporter: on july 4th, 7-year-old natalie wallace was killed while playing in the
front yard as her family prepared to celebrate independence day. police believe she was caught in retaliatory gunfire between gangs, three suspects have been arrested. >> i mean, it is just like that, your life can change. >> reporter: her father, single dad nathan wallace, still struggles it talk about it. >> she was your little girl. >> yeah. my youngest. feel like i couldn't protect her. that really hits you, really hurts your soul, you know. >> reporter: violent crime is nothing new to chicago. but this year has been exponentially bad. the number of kids 13 or younger killed in shootings has already surpassed all of last year. on the south side of chicago, an army of orange shirts called target area walks the streets on a mission. to stop violence before it starts in an area suffocating with unemployment, food insecurity, a loss of neighborhood schools, gangs, drugs, and guns. amplifying all of it, the
pandemic, more unemployment, more stress, tension with police, and desperation. >> when the coronavirus hit, it hit this community harder than it hit any other community. >> reporter: autry philips is target's executive director. >> people don't care about life anymore. that's important to us. we have to understand that we have to teach our kids. >> reporter: this summer, the justice department's operation legend partnered federal agents with local police across nine cities to crack down on violent crime, making 1500 arrests. >> these arrests make a difference. and will mackke a difference in our violent crime rate overall in kansas city. >> reporter: not to be confused with police sent to protest zones. most experts say the violence is not related to demonstrations over racial inequality. and despite the jump in homicides, the nation's crime
rate is still down sharply from the 1990s. still, the pandemic and stalled economy have tensions and tempers running high. for autry philips, progress is measured one person at a time. >> if one of us just helped one person, from getting shot, and one of us just helped one person from getting killed, if one of us helped one person to get back in school, to get off drugs, to get into an anger management program, to get an i.d. >> reporter: those people on the streets doing all they can to keep tension down, but they are concerned that come the wintertime, come the colder temperatures in the fall and winter with people forced inside and still dealing with covid that this could get even worse if people can't get outside and get away from each other. hallie? >> tom costello, thank you for that reporting. any moment now, president trump is about to leave the white house for kenosha. next hour, naacp president derrick johnson speaks his mind about the president's trip.
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millions of americans, but there's still no real update on a second stimulus deal between the white house and congress. we may get insight on that today n. a few hours, treasury secretary steve mnuchin heads to capitol hill the testify on the coronavirus crisis. it's his first appearance since the stimulus negotiations stalled earlier this month. nbc's congressional correspondent kasie hunt joins me now. you're getting more, not just on the hearing, but maybe some developments on covid relief in the senate, even if it looks like it's not going to have legs in the house. what's going on? >> reporter: that's right, hallie. steve mnuchin, the key white house negotiator or at least he was when they first passed trillions of release dollars in congress in march as we were facing down the beginnings of this pandemic. mnuchin was able to make a deal with nancy pelosi but got that money out the door and it's kept many americans out of poverty, primarily through that $600 a week unemployment extension that expired at the end of july.
this hearing is going to be oversight focused on some of the money that went to businesses. obviously a lot of small businesses relied on ppp loans to keep them afloat. members of congress have concerns about how the administration made decisions in that program, whether the money went to the kinds of businesses it was supposed to go to, how much fraud, whether or not the treasury department is being transparent in how they did all that. i would expect a lot of questions at this hearing to focus on those areas, hallie. now, as for negotiations on a coronavirus bill, the closer we get to the election, the harder and harder it gets to make a deal on this. you're seeing that partisanship continue to kind of expand. what we heard from john burr raso this morning when he opened up the senate floor, he said republicans are trying to work toward holding a vote next week on a skinny coronavirus relief package. that's what is becoming known as on the capitol hill parlance among reporters and lawmakers as they talk about it, it's even smaller than the $1 trillion
plan republicans initially brought to the negotiating table, and it's not clear it would have any future whatsoever in the house of representatives where nancy pelosi says she needs republicans to say they'll come up to $2 trillion before she'll go whack to the negotiating table. remember, her bar was at $3 trillion. she said i'm willing to compromise, you're not. that leaves us stuck here with nothing happening at the end of the day, hallie. >> kasie hunt, perhaps not what people want to hear as far as optimistic view, but certainly what is happening on the ground. that does it for this hour of "msnbc live." up next we'll have much more with my colleague chris jansing picking up our coverage. picking up our coverage. you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past... they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. let's help protect them together.
good morning. i'm chris jansing. officials asked him not to come. community leaders say the trip makes them nervous. right now the president is leaving the white house about to head to wisconsin anyway. the concerns that his visit to kenosha will stoke my tensions. plus, the joe biden many top democrats have been hoping to see, his stinging new attacks on the president that have some saying this race just entered a whole new phase. some fascinating new polls from battleground states. did two weeks of party conventions and the unrest following the shooting of jacob blake move the needle? we begin with the president