good monday afternoon, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. president trump is in california this hour. he was just briefed on the growing wildfire crisis there, it's subject that joe biden tackled this afternoon as well. we'll hear what they had to say later in the hour. vice president mike pence just held a campaign gathering indoors in wisconsin this morning, senator kamala harris is headed to nevada tomorrow, just days after president trump

packed thousands together in that state, and he says he's not concerned about catching the coronavirus at an indoor rally. we'll speak with nevada's governor in just a moment. currently more than 195,000 americans have died from the coronavirus, as the university of washington is revising its projection to estimate that 415,000 americans will die by the end of this year alone. meanwhile "the new york times" reports that a top official at the department of health and human services took to facebook last night to accuse the cdc and its scientists of undermining president trump and spoke in explicit terms about arms after the election. quote, when the president refuses to stand down at the inauguration the shooting will begin, we have a report on that straight ahead. new criticism of president trump today after his weekend trip to nevada, the president

holding his first indoor rally in months just outside of las vegas last night. attracting thousands of attendees, many of them not wearing masks. one night after people lined up shoulder to shoulder for an outdoor rally in the northern part of the state, now the president was openly defying state rules which prohibit gatherings in groups of larger than 50 people. the governor called the rally reckless and selfish. but trump says he doesn't feel he's risking his own life. >> i'm not concerned. i'm more concerned about how close you are. >> sorry about that. >> because you know why, i'm on a stage that's very far away and so i'm not at all concerned. >> all right, joining me now is nevada democratic governor steve sisolak, thank you so much for joining us. let me get your reaction there

from the president and expressing he's not concerned personally about catching the coronavirus, but not answering or speaking about the people inside that room, what do you make of that? >> well, this is typical of donald trump. he's only concerned about himself not about the 3 million citizens, residents that i have in the state of nevada that i'm concerned about on a daily basis, i'm concerned they are not exposed to the virus, you see these pictures you're broadcasting no one is wearing a mask, they're not six feet apart, he's concerned about his own health, he's not concerned about the folks who are there or go home and kids are going to go to school, you know, got people in nursing homes, veterans home within a couple of miles of there, he's only concerned about his own health. >> just to be clear, sir, the state guidelines that you're following in nevada that the president violated, those are the white house guidelines that

you're implementing, is that correct? do i have that right? >> that's absolutely right. they gave us guidance that said when we were in the red zone it should be no more than ten people in gathering. yellow zone, get to 25 people in a gathering. all the work, all the sacrifices that have been made by residents, by people in the state of nevada, countless things they've gone without, without going to church, without being able to visit their family in a hospital, without their kids having in-person education, going to be impact because of a selfish, irresponsible, reckless decision by donald trump. >> so how does what you heard the president said this weekend

compare to what you were hearing on those task force calls? >> he says one thing in the task force calls when we're there, obviously his actions are something totally different. i mean, they were well aware of what the guidelines were, both at the rally he had in henderson, well aware of what the guidelines were, they chose to totally disregard their own experts' guidelines and go ahead and do this and expose thousands of people when you get the context they have this virus, it's totally selfish. it's not just the rally was selfish, president trump was selfish and reckless in making that decision. >> let me play for you what the president said about the host of the event who moved the rally indoors. >> a great gentleman who owns this building, you know what, what they're doing is really

unfair, you can use this building. if governor comes after you, which he shouldn't be doing, i'll be with you all the way. >> despite the -- does it make harder to enforce rules when the president essentially is flouting them? >> well, it makes more difficult. i'm dealing with young people. i'm on a zoom call every day virtually with kids in school and so forth. when you've got the leader of the free world, the president of the united states, who refuses to follow his own guidelines, these aren't just my guidelines, these are their guidelines about social distancing, about wearing a mask, about not having gatherings, how do you possibly, you know, correlate those two things? it doesn't make any sense, he said, i don't think the rules apply to me. >> the president sometimes tends to conflate the responsibilities you have with that of the

secretary of state, let me play for you what he had to say and i'll get your reaction to it. >> this governor who's a political hack, he was a political hack and then he became governor and this is the guy that we're entrusting with millions of ballots unsolicited ballots, he's in charge of the election. they're playing around with the ballots, you know your governor. >> the president is wrong about that, obviously election oversight falls to the secretary of state. i want to get you a chance to respond to the president and the charge he made there against you. >> his name-calling is absolutely silly, i can can tell you this, i've been on so many calls with federal officials the president did not have the guts -- he didn't have the fortitude to make the hard decisions at the beginning of this pandemic, he gave it to the governors, said, look, i can't handle this, you do this. he didn't have the courage to

make hard decisions and now he wants us to step back and say, you know, he doesn't want to follow the rules that we put in place. it is just not right. he doesn't understand the impact he's having on the health of people of my state. and i will protect the residents of my state. >> i just wanted to pick up on that point, do you believe the president is out of touch with reality? >> absolutely, absolutely. he's worried about he won't get the virus. he didn't worry about the 5,000 people who might have been there. he didn't say anything about the people that were going to be affected the seniors citizens if somebody on took it home with them last night. that's how a president should leave. >> nevada governor steve sisolak, thank you so much for

joining us this hour joining us now is shannon, and jake sherman. "the new york times" reporting that michael caputo the assistant secretary of state for public affairs actually went on facebook and said without any evidence at all, cdc scientists have, quote, a resistant and talked about arms insurrection at this house. >> surprising comments from the person who's supposed to be the head spokesperson for the department of health and human services which is obviously overseeing the pandemic response, after reporting that caputo was essentially getting involved in micromanaging the message that scientists were putting out there to be more in

line of what the president said. he said quote, when donald trump refuses to stand down at the inauguration the shooting will begin, he said, the drills that you said are nothing and he added that if you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it's going to get hard. now, again, as i noted, surprising comments coming from the spokesperson for hhs, but if you know a little bit about michael caputo's background they're not entirely surprising he doesn't have a public health background or a communications public health messaging background, he's a political provocateur, he's a protege of roger stone and he told me a while ago, he met donald trump back in 1988 he was setten up chairs that the president was doing at the republican national convention, he kept in touch with donald trump, and he was

involved in trump campaign around the convention in 2016. so, again, not someone who comes from a public health messaging standpoint, even though that's the role he is in and someone much more of a political operative and provocateur from the comments he's make zmrg jake, bob woodward's book continues to make headlines. i want to play some of ha interview between president trump and the famed washington post journalist in which the president defends his conduct on the virus, watch. >> nothing more could have been done. i acted early. i acted early. so, we'll see. >> we'll -- we'll -- this will be the history that we start the first draft of, and it will continue and -- >> so you think the virus totally supersedes the economy? >> oh, sure. but they're related, as you know. >> a little bit, yeah. >> oh, little bit?

>> i mean, more than a little bit, but the economy is doing, the stock market -- >> it seems there, jake, the president appears to suggest getting the stock market to recover is more important than the virus, does this show in your estimation the president's failure to grasp how important this pandemic is to the people? >> it almost leads you speechless, because what we know now and what he knew when he was saying that, congress has poured trillions of dollars to prop up the economy as the federal reserve has put the economy on life support essentially, we've had probably the largest federal -- not probably, the largest federal intervention into our economy potentially in the history, so the fact that the stock market one a small

indicator of how companies are faerg at any given time, has taken extraordinary measures to make sure the country didn't go into a massive depression, to say the virus and the economy are a little bit connected is not -- it almost leads you speechless because it's so detached not only from reality but the reality that we're all currently experiencing, we're not talking about reality that's 50 years in the past, we're all experiencing this moment together right now. so, it does leave you a bit speechless. >> and to your point, jake, let me get your thoughts on this exchange between my colleague craig melvin who pressed house speaker nancy pelosi earlier today about covid-19 relief funding. watch. >> will we have another round of negotiations before the election? >> i hope so.

that's our goal. we all want to have an agreement, but it has to be real and what the senate did was not real. >> meanwhile the house problem solvers caucus, don't know about that name, they claim to be that, they intend to push their own covid relief bill, if that happens, does it go anywhere? >> no, congress has all but thoen in the towel. the problem solvers caucus essentially foes that. we're about two weeks from the end of the legislative session before the election, it seems exceedingly unlikely based on reporting and just experience that there's any fruit that's going to be borne from any talks. talks between the white house and the house speaker is just keeping the government open on september 30th. that would change, it would need to change today, this hour or next hour, nord to have time to get this done. we don't have a countdown clock

yet. but we might need one before the end of this session. which is the end of this week. >> thank you both for joining us this hour. president trump as we mentioned there, bragged to bob woodward about his relationship with turkey's erdogan plus, we're tracking hurricane sally. churning its way through the atlantic, moving dangerously slowly towards the gulf coast. you're watching msnbc. introducing stocks by the slice from fidelity. now you can trade stocks and etfs for any amount you choose instead of buying by the share. all with no commissions. stocks by the slice from fidelity.

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the trump administration's recently ousted national security council for european affairs is speaking about the white house's efforts to warp the truth. newly retired army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman who was removed following his impeachment testimony. he told, truth is a victim in this administration. the ultimate goal of this president is to get you to disbelieve what you've seen and what you've heard, a goal acknowledged by the president himself. >> just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> vindman is speaking in his first on-camera interview tonight on nbc nightly news with lester holt. overseas today, president

lukashenko met with vladimir putin asking for his backing. at least 100,000 protesters took to the streets of minsk yesterday, they detained nearly 800 protesters across the country. putin gave him a $1.5 billion loan today after they met and said russia will continue to work with belarus on defense cooperation. joining me is richard haasse. he's the author of the world, a brief introduction. so, as warm words go and money goes from putin, is it enough to save lukashenko here from being ousted? >> in combination with other things it might well be. you still have the loyalty of the security services as best we

can see. you have a decapitation of the belarus opposition, people selectively being in prison, you now have some financial help, and others there helping the regime maintain order. to me, ayman, what's interesting, what will be the price tag? mr. putin is not a generous man by nature. there's a lot of people out there who think the price of saving lukashenko is that going lukashenko is going to cede some putin. >> the president's affinity for strongman. president trump praising turkish president erdogan. watch this. >> i get along very well with

erdogan, even though you're not supposed to because everyone -- it's funny the friendships i have, the tougher and meaner they are, the better i get along with them. but maybe it's not a bad thing. the easy ones are the ones maybe don't get along with. >> what does that say to you about the president's mindset towards many of these authoritarian leaders around the world? >> look, i'm not that kind of doctor, i can't do that sort of analysis. look, the purpose of foreign policy is not to get along with other countries it's to advance american interests, i don't particularly care that the president has a quote/unquote good relationship with a putin or a come jong-un or whomever, the real question, does that relationship translate or lead to gains for the united states?

in the case of north korea, it has not. north korea has far more nuclear weapons and missiles than it had 3 1/2 years ago. mr. putin is still entrenched in ukraine and he's been using force in a brutal manner and now he's helping the government in belarus to undermine democracy there, we have a long conversation speculating on why mr. trump seems to be attracted to the range of authoritarians. but to me the bottom line is, what does he have to show for it? i'd say not nearly enough to justify all these kind words. >> the u.s. ambassador to china said he'll step down in early october, obviously, we've seen a really sharp breakdown in relations between china and u.s. when he was on the job, what does his departure and the way this administration has been

handling u.s./china relations means for these two countries going forward? >> at the rick of being blunt and brutal, his departure is irrelevant. he didn't shape u.s./china relations, president xi jinping, to crack down. the assertive or worst against india, taiwan, japan and so forth. we're seeing a very different, not just more capable, more aggressive china, this is a relationship right now in free fall. i don't see where either side benefits. at some point, it raises the prospect of even direct u.s./china confrontation. the question if we can't cooperate on climate change to global health the 21st century becomes a much more turbulent era. >> richard, thank you as always.

i appreciate it. dry weather and dangerous winds threaten to strength wildfires. we're live in california after the break. you're watching msnbc.

environmental crisis is under way out west, nona

campaign issue with both presidential nominees addressing it earlier today. dozen of wildfires are burning in california and the pacific northwest, right now, you see trump speaking in california where he received a briefing on the damage from the deadly fires, we're also keeping an eye out on his remarks for you. earlier, he used his familiar response of blaming forest management for the fires. >> what would you like to specifically done on the issue of forest management and is it possible that's also forest management and climate change -- >> i think something's possible. also, leaves, when you have years of dried leaves on the ground, it just sets it up, really a fuel for a fire, so they have to do something about it. >> democratic nominee joe biden slammed president trump's response to the fires and spoke about the dire effects of climate change. >> we have four years of trump's

climate denial, how many suburbs will be burned, how many suburban neighborhoods would have been flooded out? how many suburbans have been blown away in superstorms? if you give a climate ar sonnist four more years in the white house why would anyone be more surprised that we have more america ablaze. >> tens of thousands of people forced to evacuate the region, the air quality is getting worse each day. california's governor gave yin newsom just spoke with the president about the crisis. >> one thing is fundamental, 57% of the land in this state is federal forest land, 3% is california, so we really do need that support, we need that

emphasis of engagement, and we are fully committed to working with you to advance that cause. >> all right, joining me now from california is msnbc's erinn mclauuglaughlin, give us an updn the efforts to contain the fires and help anyone who may need it in that area? >> reporter: ayman, they're working furiously to contain the fire, at this point, though, officials are saying it's gone deep into the forest, away from populated communities, that being the north complex fire, the largest fire in state history that completely leveled the small town of berry creek killing at least three that we know of, they're still working to identify bodies but as you said zthis community is completely gone the fire station, the local school, one of thousands of structures

across the state demolished, gone, by the fire. also the state of oregon, thousands of homes there as well, that's where we spoke to a single mother of five, her home flattened, and her entire community there in or o oregon, she was explained to us how she had to leave quickly. >> we had to grab at that moment what was valuable to us and i knew that i needed the boys and i, birth certificates so we could identify ourselves in need be, immunization records. that's it. >> i with us feeling sad and scared at the moment. because i knew that we were going to most likely lose our home. >> reporter: fire officials tell me that this is devastating, especially to small communities,

they do not have the infrastructure to be able to come back for this, i was speaking to one couple who lost their home in the 2018 paradise fire, they're still homeless to this day, their campsite evacuated because of north complex fire, they tell me they're in shock and they need help, ayman. >> all right, erin mclaughlin, thank you. bars across florida are reopening today despite the number of new daily coronavirus cases, still numbering in the thousands, but some counties are holding off fearing that opening bars could trigger another spread and reverse any progress that's been made in the fight against the virus over the last few months. you're watching msnbc. ♪

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city mayor says more details are expected to be release soon the ceo of pfizer said their vaccine could distributed to american people before the end of the year if prove on the be safe and effective, this comes from late-stage trial by the end of october. the parent company of new york sports clubs filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. the senate scleelect commit of the coronavirus are launching an investigation -- after a report from politico, officials inside the hhs attempted to change cdc's reports to align them with the public comments that were being made by president trump.

politico reports following the apointment of michael caputo to the department of hhs, there has been an effort to add caveats to the morbidity weekly reports to align more closely with what president trump has been saying publicly to the american people, what can you tell us about these reports and how medical professional n aals in your fiey on them. >> thank you very much, ayman. morbidity mortality report published five cases of this rare pneumonia that's found only in immonocompromised individuals with aids inspect in 2001, the anthrax attacks, it's helped us understand the ebola epidemic

occurred in africa, this is the text to which scientists go to and medical professionals go to understand when there's an emerging entity and when there's changing epidemiology, it's the cannon off of which we understand the building of scientific knowledge around these type of issues and by basically messing with it for political reasons, a few things they've managed to accomplish, one, it just personally as an infectious disease physician nauseates me, because this is part of our community. they're messing with the historical record. i can't sort of stress enough about what this does, it's basically a deep wound to the independence of the cdc and it sort of keeps eroding the

public's trust in this country. it hurts in every single way. it's just blows my mind. >> doctor, let me ask you about florida for a moment if i can. what we're seeing there over the past couple of weeks, there's been a drop in cases but this comes alongside a decrease in daily testing as well, how do you read what's happening there between these two pieces of information? test cases going down, the number of cases going down. >> yeah, ayman, part of this is this is why we look at multiple different numbers, right, i think we have to look at test positivity, because if we see if the test positivity starts going up in that scenario that means we're not testing enough, so that would be a concern, in general we're seeing in some reasons of the country that were hotspots numbers are getting better, in others, the midwest has become the hot spot.

>> looking forward to another critical piece of data that has come out the projection that has been used from the university of wisconsin, they're now saying that it's almost 415,000 expected or projected to die based on the current trend mo l models this we're seeing by the end of the year, what does that tell you where we are in this pandemic? >> yeah, it does boling the mind, right, more than twice what we've already seen, the concern is, they're basing this on the fact that there's such a change in behavior, people aren't using masks as much as they should, the fact that we're moving indoors in the areas where there's greater transmission, greater risk of transmission and the fact that schools and colleges are open, we don't know how this is going to play out in the middle of

influenza season. it's devastatingly concerning because we're going in this high plateau, if we start seeing a high numbers, as we know from spring, these are exponential increases, but if we start seeing the increases it will only take a little bit of time if we don't put testing and other measures into place to make sure we're catching new outbreaks it rolls out of control really quickly. >> doctor, always a pleasure. thank you. we're following some breaking news out of the justice department, we'll bring that to you just after the break and we're following hurricane sally, intensifying as it heads for the gulf coast, set to make landfall tomorrow and an extremely dangerous storm surge, we're tracking it with al roker after the break. plus, how to prepare for a hurricane because resources are

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we're following breaking news at this hour, right now hurricane sally is category 1 storm and taking aim at the gulf coast, hurricane warnings have been issued in louisiana,

alabama and mississippi, some areas are expected to get 8 to 16 inches of rain. two weeks after hurricane laura blew through louisiana. joining me now is co-host of the "today" show, al roker. another hurricane we're tracking, what's the latest on hurricane sally's path? >> well, first of all, ayman, a sense of how active the tropics are right now, hurricane sally, hurricane paulette, tropical storm vicky and others areas we're watching. right now, as far as sally is concerned, tropical storm warnings, hurricane warnings for much of the northern gulf coast, right now category 1 storm, it's 16 on miles southeast of biloxi, 90 mile an hour winds. today, it's going to continue to strengthen in the warm gulf of mexico waters, heavy rain, gusty winds will reach the coast

today, into tonight, we're looking for that rain continues as it hugs the southeastern carolina coast as a category 2 storm, tomorrow periods of strong winds, 2 to 3-inch rainfall per hour the timing is some time tomorrow night, making landfall in either louisiana or mississippi, heavy rain inland, it will weaken but the impacts will continue -- look at these rainfall totals through thursday, some places picking up 2 feet of rain because it will be moving very slowly once it gets to the coast, about 3 miles per hour, and a long period of life-threatening storm surge, large destructive waves causing big problems, especially as we get closer to high tide, those storm surges will become more pronounced. destrubtive winds as well. damage to homes, trees, power lines coming down. look at this, wind gust of up to 85 miles per hour and we've seen

record early storm formations throughout this period right through to where we are right now with vicky, it's over a week earlier. w wilfred is the storm we've got. after that, we go into the greek alphabet. we're talking about the potential for a really damaging storm. not so much from the winds, per se, but the heavy rain, tornadoes, as it comes onshore. right now, new orleans is in better shape because they're on the western side of the storm, but still within the cone of uncertainty. so anything can happen. we've got another 24 to 36 hours before landfall. so people all along the gulf coast have to remain vigilant. >> let me pick up on something you were talking about, which is the big picture of all the various things you guys are tracking. we're also seeing these historic wildfires out west, and the

record-setting hurricane season in the atlantic. what role does climate change play into these events that we see playing out? >> well, you know, out west, we have seen the fact that the storm track has been up to the north, so we've had a very dry season. the fire season started early this year. in the atlantic, the gulf water are anywhere from 5 to 10 degrees above normal. and we've seen, because of climate change, we've seen this warming. and what we've also seen is an unusually large number of these storms rapidly intensifying. gain 35-mile-per-hour in wind speed within 24 hours. so what we're looking at is the potential for more destructive storms. for greater wildfires, longer wildfire seasons. it's just -- it really -- climate change is affecting and we're starting to see it happen more and more frequently, eamon.

>> and hopefully it gets the attention of our government and future administrations. al roker, thank you so much, as always, for joining us. joining me now is retire russel honore, who was the commander of joint task force katrina. thank you so much for joining us this hour. let me ask you personally how you are preparing for the next 24 hours based on what we just heard there? >> watching the weather. every opportunity i get, listen to local weather people and watching the instructions from the governor. you know, we're dealing with a major recovery in the southwest state with hurricane lauer. we have thousands of home wouts -- and businesses without electricity. and we're dealing with covid. and on the eastern part of the city, state, we're dodging hurricane sally. at this point in time, as al said, it does not seem a direct threat to new orleans that had

originally been predicted. but that could change. the lower parishes to include washington and orleans parish, as well as plaquemines parish, the east side, could get 3 to 6 inches of surge, as well as up to a foot of rain the nutter north you go into louisiana and the mississippi border. so we're still at risk. major risk, at the same time, we're dealing with covid. and yes, do think we have that fourth disaster is the effects of climate change, that's causing -- it's a consensus among scientists. that this is having an impact and we're seeing it play out life on television right now. >> yeah, so no doubt about that. let me get your thoughts also, sir, as i understand it, you've been helping with the relief efforts in lake charles. how are the folks there fairing?

>> well, the state was organized. our governor and the national guard, red cross, the cajun navy, rubicon, i can't mention all of the volunteer organizations that have stepped up. but even on your best day when you have fema and fema has reinforced the state of louisiana with new assets from a different fema region out of atlanta, that's going to focus on sally, they're bringing separate assets in, and the state still has the capacity to do what they're doing for laura, laura is hard. the grid is broke. it is broke at the level of what we saw in puerto rico. and the recovery is going to be three months, maybe, to get the power back on in most places, and maybe longer with 300 water systems that are down. this is a hard recovery. it's painful. and we still need all of those volunteers to come and we still

need fema to be generous in their help, because that storm went from the southern part of the state of louisiana, cameron, through into arkansas, and in between, there's a lot of devastation. mobile homes destroyed. entire subdivisions destroyed. it's going to take a lot of work. it's going to take the resolve of the people there, working with fema, with some type of a temporary housing plan, because if you don't get temporary housing, we can't get all of those plants and those jobs up and running. which means rebuilding the economy back. the president came and said he would get speedy help, and he's done it so far, but we haven't rebuilt the homes from harvey yesterday. that happened three years ago. the homes in maria have not been rebuilt. that's three years ago. these people have a long, hard road to go and we appreciate what fema has done, but they're going to have to come up with a

different plan as far as recovery housing, because this is too slow and we're facing down the barrel of another hurricane on the eastern part of the dissipate the people in mississippi and alabama, they're going to have major flooding problems along the coast. major flooding. >> lieutenant general russel honore, sir, always a pleasure to have your insights and your expertise. thanks for having you this hour. >> that wraps up this hour for me. i'll see you back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. "deadline: white house" with nicole wallace starts right after this quick break. th nicole wallace starts right after this quick break give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. that's the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management.

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