issue. >> ah, nostalgia. good morning and welcome to "am joy." i'm tiffany cross. let's be clear. voting is a fundamental right in this country, yet here we are with just over two weeks until the election and we're still in the middle of an ongoing battle to ensure every american has the power do so. now, the chief spreader of election information -- misinformation, that is, donald trump, held a rally in georgia friday night where just two years ago stacey abrams lost a hard-fought historic battle for governor due to the widespread voter suppression tactics as secretary of state and now georgia governor brian kemp. with just 17 short days until the presidential election, republicans in several states, cities, and counties are putting in overtime to suppress the vote yet again. in one of texas's most heavily populated counties, harris
county, republicans have been fighting democratic efforts to increase polling locations. local election officials in florida are working with felony -- with rights for those with felony convictions and outstanding court debts and voter rolls, a move that could disenfranchise 700,000 voters, but despite these efforts, the uncertainty of voting around the pandemic has sparked record-breaking early voting hours. as of today, more than 21 million early votes have been cast. that's up 367% from the same point in 2016. i'm going to say that again. 367 points higher than this very same time last year. joining me now is a democratic congressional candidate for california's 50th district. amar'e, i'm so happy to have
you. >> i'm happy to be with you. >> i'm happy to have you back. i covered your campaign in 2018, and i'm happy to have you here tod today. so i've got to talk to you about what's happening in california. the fact that the go president obama had these harvested ballot boxes all around the state was very disconcerting. now, my first question is there seems to be some ambiguity about the legality of these boxes. what's your take because attorney general javier becerra insinuated these were illegal initially i, and now it looks like there wu some sort of compromise and the ballot boxes have con down. what's the latest? >> you expect this in georgia where there's voter suppression. in california, when that happens in california, you know republicans are trying do whatever it takes to cheat their way through an election, and the
california republican party admitted to replacing misleading blot boxes. if that's happening in california, we need to put a stop to it. issa said it's illegal, voting by mail. it's the first time we're doing it because of the coronavirus, we want to protect the public's safety. he said it's unconstitutional, and that just shows you there are republican leader this ts i establishment who don't want people to vote. very simple. the more people who vote, the more democrats win. the last thing is darrell issa is accusing people of voter
fraud because people might be voting in places they don't live. daryl isrell issa has admitted living in a different district than where he votes. there's a whole lot of problems. the way to fix it is by restoring the john lewis voting right act. but for now, we have to make sure people don't get within cheating distance of winning this election. we have to have record numbers of voters, which we're seeing thankfully, and we have to beat these odds no matter how deviationive or suppress irv. again, beat them badly. it's the only way we save this democracy. >> you bring up darrell issa. i'm very familiar with him from his time on capitol hill and on the oversight committee. he and the late great elijah cummings used to go after it.
you inspire donald trump who's made interesting comments about you. he calls you a puppet if we have that. let's play that sound. >> he's a puppet, he's a clone, he's expected to do whatever nancy pelosi tells him to do, and he's just a member of the radical left party. ammar is a community organizer for obama, and that's not an obama area. that's not an obama district. i don't know, darrell. i think you would have a very strong chance. you'd better not lose to this guy. >> you'd better not lose to this guy. what is your response? >> they're scared out of their mind. i'm not scary. i shouldn't be. i want to put country over wealth, patients over profits, that we protect our environmental, that we protect people's freedoms including women's freedoms. what's so threatening about
that? i think the majority of americans believe that. we should all want an america where we see ourselves in its future. darrell issa has been there for 18 years, been on the take for years. he's the most congressman ever. he's one of the top ten. he has a very checkered past. and the one thing i take offense to, and i think people should -- i'm a latino arab american. duncan hunter calls me a terrorist, which is not true. donald trump said -- i don't know if you saw this -- i hate israel. i hate israel. i met with the prime minister, shook his hand, and said let's move forward toward peace. my girlfriend is jewish. i might have children who are
jewish one day. their scare tactics that suppress people away from voting, 18 years of a track record is what darrell issa has. instead of talking about himself, he's talking about me. that tells you the state of -- >> it's interesting he says you hate israel. this from a guy screaming jews will not replace us. good people. i want too a ask you, what of t harvesting of ballot boxes? is there a concern there may be some trickery happening with that? >> the sending out of voters is good. they could provide a provisional ballot and go vote at the stret register of voters. in escondido where i live, part of my district, there was an attempt of some people to
actually steal ballots from a local college where young people were told to drop it off there, and we found out that some young person -- i don't know who they work for -- is taking these ballots and throwing them away. so anybody who has that happening to them, please report it to the authorities. go to the registrar of voters and kafts and cast your ballot. i see you nodding your head. it's 2020. why are they doing this? they can't win without cheating. we need a resounding victory. so if you're a young person, a person of color, woman, if you're a republican who's tired of all this b.s., i need you to go out there. >> don't go anywhere, ammar. i want to bring in the expectation active director of the national advancement of office. judith, i'm so happy to have you here. to me this feels like an
admission. all this trickery we see happening across the country feels like an admission across the country. they know a majority of voters do not align with political beliefs. how can the voters on the ground combat some of these tactics and make sure the voices are heard at the ballot box? >> thanks, tiffany, for having me. we know voter suppression is a long-term game, right? this country was started with a foundation of voter suppression so that voting would only be reserved for white men who owned property. today we see a different playbook. they've got barriers. they try to make it harder for us to vote. here's what we can do. we need to track ballots. every state has a mechanism for tracking your ballots. we have to track it. if there's a problem with it, we have to go fix it.
we're voting in a pandemic, so we know that these republican governors have decided let's make it harder for them in a pandemic so people will have to choose between their health and the right to vote, and what we're seeing with those early voting rights is people are saying, we're not choosing. what we're choosing is to have a voice in this democracy. >> so let me ask you because something that has really had me panicked is the violence. it seems like there could be a potential for a lot of violence after the election. in fact, in michigan, they're banning people from carrying guns within 100 feet of polling places, which is crazy. the international crisis group whose mission is to sound the alarm for the first time is focused on the united states. this is happening while the president is saying to his supporters go out and monitor the polls.
judith, what do you predict this election cycle, and how can people keep themselves and their ballots safe? >>. >> i was counsel in the 2000 case representing african-americans in the state of florida, and so one worry is that the vote by mail will become the hanging chad in 2020, and what that means is that there's going to come down a fight to which ballots count and which ones don't. and so one thing voters need to know is you have to track it. if it's rejected, you need to fix it. a lot of states only have three days for you to fix it from the time that it's rejected. that's one. two, around intimidation. tiffany, i'm worried about two kinds of intimidation. one is intimidation from the so-called militia which has actually risen on the rights of terrorists, the white supremacists. i will say this. we will have poll monitors
outside the polling place to protect voters. we're doing a lot of de-escalation training this year to make sure that people are safe, and, secondly, i'm worried about police intimidation. we have places where police have white -- white supremacists have become the police, and so we've got to make sure police are not at the polls unless necessary. >> right. and i think you bring up a good point. one thing that frustrates me about this conversation is people treat it like it's something new. this is something that people who live in black and brown neighborhoods have dealt with for decades. don't go anywhere. i want to bring in two candidates. sorry we're stacking guests like this, guys. we had some technical difficulties at the top of the hour. so happy to add you two to the conversation. attorney general, i'm going to
start with you. i'm baffled with what's happening in michigan. for one, i write in my book about what happened in 2016 where where 75,000 people's votes did not count and most were out of detroit. now here we are with this ridiculous scooby-doo plot where people tried to kidnap the governor and you have to say, hey, don't bring your guns around our polling station. what do you make of this? >> i think we look at our secretary of state and those around the state, especially in light of the fact you had the president of the united states indicating his supporters should go to the polls, and the way in which it was phrased, i think there was an implication that maybe there was to be some sort of disruption at the polls. we have very firm laws in place that do not allow anyone either directly or indirectly to deter
a person from voting. well, i don't know about what is more of a deterrence than someone -- an armed gunman standing there hovering over you while you're trying to exercise your fundamental right to vote. so our secretary states just promulgated rules, and as chief election officer she has the ability do that at the polls. within 100 feet of the polls, which is her jurisdiction, that she issued guidance. of course, that includes assault weapons. ar-15s, ak-47s. we do anticipate there will be litigation surrounding this. but we remain firm and committed that people should be unafraid at the polls while they're voting. and when people do not vote, do not exercise their fundamental right because they're too afraid for their lives, anyone that is the mark of a failed democracy, and we don't want to see that happen here in the state of michigan. >> we've seen it happen already.
i'm very sorry. we're super tight on time. i had so many questions for you. i covered your campaign in 2018. you have really run a campaign that casts a wide net and is very inclusive. you're campaigning in multiple languages. you have outreach. you speak to the rise majority of the country, specifically the district you're running in. talk about what happened in harris county. we had record-breaking turnout there. tell me about your district and how you're planning to tap into that voting electorate and making sure your votes are counted, i should say, as governor greg abbott is doing everything in his power to make the path to the ballot box as narrow as possible. >> thank you for that. the governor is trying to restrict our rights to vote. as a foreign service officer who's served overseas and dangerous places around the
world, i've seen institution attacked. they need to come out in numbers so large they cannot be manipulated. our district is the largest here in the country. one quarter are immigrants. when we started this campaign, we were told don't bother with immigrants because they don't vote and the easiest way to lose an election is to talk to them because they don't vote. maybe they don't vote because we don't talk to them. i speak six languages. we're campaigning in chinese, vietnamese, and 27 different languages which has never been done. the result of that in 2018 is we got 30,000 new people to vote who hadn't voted for president.
since then, we've had a voter registration conference and we've had more than one quarter of the entire margin for the state of texas. people told me they would stay home for three months during the pandemic but would come out one day to vote, and we're seeing that this week. >> let me ask you. one more question, sri. texas has seen 750 polling locations close. this is ridiculous and unheard of. we're going to have a bigger conversation around texas and georgia, texas specifically tomorrow. looking at texas statewide, is texas going to become a battleground state? will texas turn blue this cycle? >> texas already is a battleground state. if you look at the people who were not voting -- we always say texas isn't a red or blue statement it's a non-voting state. that's just changed this year. on the very first day of voting, harris county, which is the largest county in the united
states turned out almost double. in four days, we had a 40% turnout. what we're seeing with the margins statewide, they're smaller than they were in 2018 when only 214,000 votes separated democrats from republicans. if we flip texas blue in 2020, it's going start from texas '22. >> wow. i asked people to talk about their voting situations as they've been casting ballots, and i have a ton of comments already. i'll definitely be sharing those with all of you guys, and thank you for bearing with us during the coronavirus. thank you. next up, the real risk or herd immunity. this is ridiculous. keep it right there. s ridiculous keep it right there. in business you have to be able to shift-pivot-adapt.
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do you support herd immunity as a strat jirks just let people get sick? >> the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself. we did the right thing. we were expected go loose 200,000 people and maybe more than that. >> donald trump's white house is reportedly sold on using herd immunity to fight the pandemic, this after over 2 million cases and 200,000 deaths. there's a decoratilaration fromg a group of scientists to let it spread freely while isolating the vulnerable. i have no idea how that would work. here's what dr. anthony fauci thinks about that. >> if you just let things rip, let the infection go, no mask, crowds, let everything go, that,
frankly, george, is ridiculous. >> joining me now is dr. gerrard ash by and dr. nahid bhadelia. i have to say when i saw the john snow reference, i thought it was a game of thrones situation. is there any other country that you're aware of that is pushing herd immunity? >> thanks very much. john snow is named after the person who staved off the
situation in europe. they'd said, okay, let's protect the vulnerable and let everyone else get sick. even sweden reduced the size of the gatherings that they had, and they realized at the end it led to one of the highest death rates in that region and swede season nothing like the united states where nay have universal health care and greater levels of better health at base line because of their public health system being better. even they stepped back on that. what is the great declaration proponent that proponents are says is you let everybody get this infection, and there are certain things as you mentioned already that are faulty in that perception. there's no science or report
that we're close to that. to get close to that so many would have to get sick it would overwhelm our health system. in the end it's a recipe for basically overwhelming the health care system and basically affecting everyone else's health around us, you know. it's a recipe for disaster, worse than we've seen. >> we're still below 20% in the united states thankfully. dr. ashby, let me ask you. when governor ron desantis says, open it up, invite everything, let's have packed stadiums,
tho those people traveled back. people are going to host these small gathers in their homes perhaps. what can we do to survive the ignorance? >> it's a great question and good to be here with you, tiffany. it's always a pleasure. it's a great question. it's a frustrating ordeal given what the governor and president giving out misinformation like scooby snacks. at the end of the day, the decisions that they're making are having a future impact on the mortality rates in our sfats, in our country, and that's why the u.s. is behind basically every other industrial country when it comes to the control of the pandemic, and it's a shachlt i tell people we practice safe medicine. it's a term i use all the time. what it means is we separate the real from the pretender. you have to prove it. that's why we have randomized,
double blind, placebo-controlled trials so you can say with accuracy your medication works. what's going on is you have folks who are salesmen who believe in something just because they feel good about it, promote it, and they've been consistently wrong. it's getting old and we're over to herd immunity. i don't know where they're coming from. you know, i said it before. i'll say it again. stay in your lane. >> so hospitalizations are going up. dr. bedahlia, do you think our nation is prepared, hospitals in the nation are prepared for the incoming? >> tiffany, one of the things you'll hear them say around the country is we're better off than we were because we have a bit more warning. but there isn't a single hospital yet that i know of that doesn't use n95 plasks, a masks
difference of what's happening now compared to spring and summer, you're seeing the hospitalizations in a geographically spread pattern. it's happened anywhere. it's not like you can move health care workers and ventilators to one point. if it gets to the point where there are increased hospitalizations everywhere, we really test our resilience to the point we haven't tested, and that's the fear. and the worry here is that, you know, this is going back to the lockdown component. i think nobody wants lockdowns, right? to overt the lockdowns, to get to the point -- the reason you have lockdowns is your health care systems have become overwhelmed, because your hospitals have become overwhelmed. to not get there, we need to do what we've been seeing all along, masking, testing, physical distancing. and this administration has sown nothing but confusion that keeps us from getting to the lockdown. >> you have much more
plausibility. more so than dr. scott atlas is. what do you say about the upcoming holiday season? how can they safely celebrate? should they cancel all their plans? dr. ashby, i'll start with you. >> it's a great question because we're now living with this virus. i think folks seem to have some thought in their head that this is going to somehow disappear. this is something the trump administration said at some point. it's not going anywhere. we need to learn how to live with it. in doing so, we need to accommodate our lives accordingly. so a couple of things.
outside is better. if you're outside, you're less likely to get infected with the virus. keep your hands clean. if you're inside, wear a mask. make sure the place is well ventilated, and obviously testing is incredibly important. but in terms of children, halloween coming up, i think, it's okay for them to go trick-or-treating. do not allow people to go in homes. keep your hands clean, have sanitizer on you, and make sure the kids wear masks in going around trick-or-treating. >> i've got ten seconds left. dr. bedahlia, anything in addition to say to that? >> haen can be made safer with masks. with thanksgiving travel, it's a risk-based thichlk how vulnerable are your family. you may want to do a small dinner and make it up next year so everybody can stay safe.
>> thank you so much to both of you guys. the ever-charming dr. ashby and brilliant dr. bhadelia. after a quick break, i'll tell you what court-packing really looks like. stay tuned. t court-packing really looks like. stay tuned new nyquil severe honey is maximum strength cold and flu medicine with soothing honey-licious taste. nyquil honey. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, fever best sleep with a cold medicine.
committee. they've been one after another nominating people who are unqualified, people who refuse to say bro"brown v. board of education" -- do you know they put 50 people on and not one is black? i'm sorry. i cannot have a conversation around court packing when it's not even happened yet without dealing with what they've been doing for the last few years. >> for weeks republicans have accused joe biden and kamela harris of having these secret plans for a quote unquote court packing, a derogatory term from the late 1930s when then president tried court packing and there's speculation dems could try that again. >> they're threatening to pack the supreme court in retaliation
for this confirmation process. even the democrats nominee for president and vice president have not ruled out such blatantly partisan policy grabs. >> they've said if this confirmation procedures, they intend to pack the court with more justices who will turn the supreme court into a genuine second legislative body. >> pot kettle. of course, it's republicans pushing through the republican supreme court nominee with lightning speed weeks before election day while a majority of voters say the next president should fill the seat, and it's the republicans who somewhere spent the last 3 1/2 years packing the court with judges. that's nearly a quarter of the entire fetd real bderal bench. and many mitch mcconnell held open. that includes amy coney
barrett's current seat in which obama named a black woman, myra sell by, in january of 2016 who was blocked by senate republicans, and she never even got a hearing. mcconnell has been openly gleeful about stealing these seats from obama and giving them to trump instead. >> i was shocked that former president obama left so many vacancies and never tried to fill them. >> i'll tell you what. i was in charge of what we did the last two years. >> i'll give you full credit. >> that laugh. they're young, the median of 48. that means many of them could spend decades interpreting law that governs live for all of us, and they overwhelmingly look like trump. as of july, 85% have been white
and 75% have been men. four years ago mcconnell and friends said they couldn't possibly confirm a supreme court justice in an election year. now not only do they see no hypocrisy in breaking their own rule -- surprise, surprise -- they have the gal to accuse democrats of planning to pack the courts. we're clearly an all tern active nation right now. i want to bring in justice correspondent for the nation, my friends. thank you so much for joining me. i want to talk about the court packing. i have to ask you. the term "court packing," republicans are great at coining a term and making it sound scary. they say "death panels," and
that latches on. talk about court packing. i don't think amy coney barrett -- that's not court packing. they're filling a seat obstructed from president obama. now with this term, people are confused with what that means. i tried to explain it, but i'm curious about the whole process. >> president trump is talking about court stacking. they denied garland a hearing. they're putting amy coney barrett through during an election, they've nominated predominantly white, predominantly male judges for years. i favor it. that's why i favor a court extension of up to 20 new justices on the supreme court.
people say, oh, that's 29 supreme court justices. no, it ain't. that's how many circuit judges the ninth circuit has. it's not unwieldy. it's diversion. the benefit of having more justices is it fixes the problem that should be obvious to all of us by now. our confirmation process is broken. it's broken because when one of these okta ga nairian dies, which is a thing that happens in the world, it presents an existential problem. each is too important to our laws and our policy and our rights. if we had 29 justices, each individual death would be less important and it will allow us to get back to confirming judges based on qualifications as opposed to agendas. most americans say they want
moderate mainstream. we want the law to be stable and know what it's going to be. you know how o ynoknow how you ? >> if you have more people. if i write an opinion, it's going to come out one way. if i have to convince ten, 15, 20 people, that's more watered down, more moderate, more mainstream decision. i explained why chili's is in business. court expansion allows us to take down the temperature, literally depoliticize the confirmation battle. last thing, the way the ninth circuit court works and the others work is the case is
initially held by a three-judge desoodcided by -- wait for it - random lots. you don't know the jouj you're goat getting that. would have such an effect on impartiality and our court system. expansion is a way to fix it. that's why republicans don't like it. if we could do court packing, i'd be happy -- if republicans want to play ball, i'd be happy to share some of the seats with them. they don't want to fix it. >> you say court packing or stacking or judicial reform. certainly after 18 conservative judges, we need this. this is why the conservatives can support the president, grab him by the you-know-what and apparently religious evangelicals can convince them. i want to go over to you. you guys are laser focused on
the courts. i'm curious on your thoughts of the supreme court hearing this past week that played out. what's the thing that keeps you up at night as we see this nomination go to the floor and she will likely be confirmed to scotus. >> i think it's really important for the american people to understand what's happening. 20 million people have already voted in this country, and they -- the majority of americans as you said want to be able to pick their justice. they've been for five months sitting on corona relief as we've had 219,000 who have died. 20 million possibly being evicted from their homes in the next four months. instead they're prioritizing this hearing. for those who didn't watch it, this is a judge who has
criticized the affordable c.a.r.e.s. act numerous times. there's going to be an argument, the trump challenge is going to be heard by the next -- the supreme court a week after the election, and it isn't any coincidence, i don't think, that they want to have judge barrett installed for both this argument and as kamela harris said because they flow will be an election. but last week amy coney barrett looked at the camera and sid she didn't know voter intimidation is illegal. she refused to commit that presidents should commit to peaceful transfers of power. she would rnlt say medical is constitutional, that climate change is real. she said it's treernld she's going to stay away from it. she couldn't remember that the right to protest fst is in the t
amend. the confirmation process is broken, but we have to understand what's at stake. everything we care about that matters in our lives, school, health care, the woman's right to choose, these are all at stake, voting rights, and so this is a big, big deal for americans. >> thank you so much, vinita. we have so much to talk about. thank you, elie myst al and vanita gupta. we have more coming up. stay tuned. gupta we have more coming up stay tuned (driver) i don't know what happened. (burke) nothing happened. (driver) nothing happened? (burke) nothing happened.
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politically for their purposes as opposed to really what happened? >> look, i know whoever i engage with will use that politically. i don't care about that part. the part i care about is getting something done. look, contract with black america. all of them like him. welcome back to "am joy." rapper and actor ice cube made waves this week when the trump campaign announced he contributed to trump's platinum plan supposed to increase access to capital in black communities. does it, though? ice cube says both the trump and joe biden campaign reached out to him about his own contract with black america. this as both candidates are ramping up their efforts to appeal to black voters, specifically at the 11th hour black men, less than three weeks before election day. trump won 8% of the black -- of
black voters in 2016 and recent pew polling showing black men are almost twice as likely to vote for trump as black women. and polling from hit strategies sews 18% of black men under 50 support trump's re-election. as more and more black artists speak out about the election, the race to secure black voters is exposing a widening chasm how black men and women in pop culture and elsewhere approach politics. joining me now, civil trial and criminal defense attorney midland charles, lindsay granger, co-host of a nationally syndicated television shows, and senior writer at rolling stone, and political contradicter at the grio and my nemesis, neuman to my seinfeld and all of our group chats were blowing up all
week. i'm excited to have this conversation with you. you actually spoke with ice cube, interviewed him for "rolling stone." good job getting that get, and one thing that struck me about this conversation with you and roland martin. i want to be carol. i don't want to drag this out or say black men are overwomen hely voting for trump, but his efforts seem misguided and looks like he got played. what's your takeaway? >> my take way, in an effort to center black folks in the, yes, in the economy of ideas, he is unfortunately equating the wrongs of both sides of the political equation. he is saying, democrats have done us wrong and republicans
have done us wrong and thus we need to essentially divert ourselves of both of them until they earn our votes. well -- well, essentially, we got less than 20 days until this election. how are they going to earn our votes? well, joe biden proposed legislation right now in order to earn our votes. what is he going to say? and i think frankly, i thought his approach to ice cube, as ice cube described to me seemed to make sense. said he agreed with 85% of the plan and address it after elected, if elected. to me that makes practical sense saying i'm going to act upon these objectives if i'm president. that, to me, says i'm not going to promise you what i can't deliver. >> right. terrence, bring you in. first of all, excited you're on the show with me. i've warranted to have you on while i'm in this chair for a long time. your research about black men and the trump administration is
mind blowing. every time you send out information, i'm just blown away. tell me why trump is making in-roads with a small fraction of black men? >> thanks for having me, tiffany. that's an important point. right? the overwhelming majority of blek men are supporting donald trump and supporting democrats up and down the ballot -- sorry. supporting joe biden, but donald trump is not trying to win a majority of black men. he's trying to just kind of chip i way at the margins here, and put together a new coalition. i knew during the super bowl in february, he spent $11 million to have alice johnson come on tv after being in jail 22 years say thank you, donald trump for releasing me, i knew then that black men were not a marginal part of his strategy, a path to victory. since then we have seen his campaign go from spending
$55,000 facebook ads before george floyd's death to spending $6.6 million on criminal justice facebook ads. clir abo i want to be clear what they say. structurerd the same way. democrats have failed you. joe biden has failed you, and that is why your spread signed the first step act. what he's doing is redefining democrats to a segment of the black male voters that are cynical towards democrats, that are frustrated towards democrats, and really starting to chip away at the margin. what concerns me the most, because joe biden has put together a coalition that i do think can deliver him to victory, even if he gets 75% to 80% of the black male votes, but that will not deliver the senate. gary peters cannot win michigan with 75% of black male votes. >> you talk about terrence in your research, we have to consider, this is down ballot
races as well. your strategies found support among black men when it comes to senators has increased, which i found quite fascinating as well. ladies, i'm going to bring you in but i want to start with the men since we're talking about an outreach to black men voters. turn to you, dr. johnson, my friend pup made interesting comments with our pal joy reid and you said you think donald trump thinks black men are stupid. expand on that, because it does seem like there's a reason why he's going after black men, and i had bruce leavelle on the show and asked what does the outreach to black women mean? he seemed to -- >> trump's goal isn't
necessarily to get black men to vote for him. trump's going is to play into the cynicism that black men legitimately have towards this country, because mistreated by everyone in the country and let down guy the government, his goal, can't get your vote, be cynical enough not to vote at all. making it harder to vote around the country. not doing anything about covid, killing black men at a higher than we died during the middle passage and on top of that, using these sort of false equivalencies to say that joe biden is just as bad as donald trump. donald trump who in the 1970s was discriminating against people. in the 1980s saying exonerated five should be executed. called on white nationals to keep black people from voting. donald trump whose justice department hasn't done anything about george floyd, hasn't done anything about breonna taylor. hasn't done anything about sandra branch. for donald trump to reach out to ice cube or steve harvey or jim
brown or anybody else like that saying i'm the better option must think we're stupid and not paying attention to what the man has really done. i want to say it quickly. it's important. i understand the cynicism and frustration. we need to come up with a plan in the 11th hour of the campaign and put marshmallows and chocolate and graham crackers together and think we created s'mores. you didn't. there are tons of plans ice cube could have tackled beforehand and that's an issue here as well. >> that's the frustrating part. the congressional black caucus has a very comprehensive plan. a very comprehensive plan with black lives matter. the hubris ice cube will come in and save the day for american, looked out of his element in that interview.
was this a misstep on the biden campaign to have because their outreach is not as public, their outreach is not at visible as donald trump's is and expecting to scramble to make in-roads with perhaps a community they ignored? >> it could be. if you look at over the past years and the last two presidential elections, the number of black men voting republican has increased slightly. right? from, you know, mitt romney, mccain and now trump in 2016. i want to point out as much as people talk about dwonald trump sifr siphoning off votes, more than latinos, more than asians and more than other groups. however, the biden campaign should always be trying to get the vote of black men, and, listen, i know that a lot of people criticized ice cube.
i have as well, but i welcome anyone who wants to take a seat at the table and start talking about these issues, that the african-american community is facing and how we can address them. particularly when you have such a huge platform such as ice cube. however, it's important to make sure that you understand how government works. >> right. >> for example, a lot of the things in ice cube's plan have already been done by the democratic house, voted on and are sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk right now. and haven't been voted on by a republican-controlled majority in the senate. so it's important, i think, for people to understand that our government is not a transactional government, much as donald trump wants it to be. it's not quid pro quo, it's not i show up at the table give me this and that. it's a process. it's procedure. a bill is voted on by the house then the senate, signed by the president. that's the way it works. it's important to understand that while donald trump on the one hand might be shining around
the first step act, it's important to understand on the other hand that the ppp loans, 90% of black businesses that applied, were denied. 45% black businesses lost as a result of covid. the department of justice ended up a dissent decrees with police departments investigating, you know, the killing of black men. under this administration, our right to vote has been curtailed in ways i have never, ever seen before. >> yeah. >> donald trump's campaign right now has multiple lawsuits in multiple states trying to reduce our ways to vote. whether it's mail-in ballots. >> yes. >> witnesses required. so you have to watch both hands. >> i agree. >> you cannot focus on one hand. >> i think, interesting. donald trump, first job in
government was president of the united states and his team talking to ice cube, never had real engagement in politics is scary but you don't want to be snobby to people trying to be a part of the process. you know? i hear you on that. i completely agree and think it's an important point. ip have to ask you, lindsay, jamel pleaded is it me or a difference between black men and women around this campaign? not just you, because i feel it a little bit too. one hand, an amazing op-ed written in the "new york times" this week. great. i commend her, all about letting black women lead. you have diddy coming out with his own political party. and then you have ice cube. i just look at these efforts and they all look different to me. what have you noticed about, not just black men and women in pop culture, in your own orbit, is the attitude different? >> yes.
i think i look at meghan's piece and look at things women are going for talking black women, they have a baby macing f mortality and health care and bicker issues. a lot of people weren't thinked by joe biden, black women, listen, two options. a person not standing by our side and shown what they're going to do and kamala prerhaps doesn't have our back and owning up to mistakes made in the past reaching out to black women and joe biden gave unsatisfactory response, push this to the side and get back to this later. i understand the frustration being with a black man telling me all the time we're not getting the response we're looking for from government or anybody. to reach out to president trump and you've made a record in 2018 saying arrest the president, talking about denouncing white supremacy and in the last couple of weeks president trump failed
to denounce white supremacy, it's a confusing idea that comes from the person who stood up for us strongly throughout the entire '90s for everything he stood for. that's the pushback. ice cube's plan 13 points broadcast networks, 20% black. you know, police reform in totality and we look at president trump's platinum plan, extremely vague and leaving us hanging dry and then joe biden's answer that's saying we'll get to it later. i understand why people are frustrated. to me aside from coronavirus, black lives are the most important things in this election. >> that's a number one issue. a lot of folks taking that to the ballot box. jamel, back to you. do you think the energy is different? is there a, a gender difference in how our community is looking at this race? >> i think that certainly there are different goals within those communities. i think certainly black women are seeking to survive in different ways.
they have a lot more concerns. we have concerns of domestic violence, concerns that specifically address black women, that don't address -- frankly black men either don't need to be worried about or are frankly part of the danger. >> right. >> we need to be concerned as black men for them and need to be concerned how we can be a part of the solution. just addressing something that lindsay brought up i want to make sure that i bring this up. i asked ice cube specifically, what did he bring -- bring to the table when he spoke with the trump table that they incorporated into the black claim? how did he change -- he said essentially the only thing really he brought up that was actually concrete that he sort of, he said they changed some terms. minority became black and all of this kind of stuff. i said, to me, you know, talking about changing terminology here.
look at that plan. it's a list of vagaries. >> right. >> eliminate health disparities. >> exactly. >> and in the trump plan -- it's like obamacare. >> running out of time. a quick opportunity here to respond. do you think energy is different between black men and black women around this election? >> i think there is. one thing to make clear what ice cube is speaking for. a strand of black men straight black men in america, there is a strand of them, who feel they've been ignored, called toxics and blamed for every bad in the neighborhood. those guys have to vote, too. those men have to be spoken to, too. to the degree we continue to demonize certain groups of people who may not be the most politically informed still passionate, we hurt ourselves as a community. i have my criticisms for ice cube. certainly criticisms for trump but got to remember, all of us
win if all are included in the process. >> right. a lot 6 politicians can talk to nascar heads, ought to talk to people in the black community as well. thank you, guys. could be a whole hour panel. so much i wanted to get to. take back to the group chat, to twitter and keep talking about it. you all provide add robust conversation. thank you so much. thank you. so happy finally got to the share the screen together. lind lindsay, jamel, jason johnson, terrence woodbury. find him at the website, info, i promise you fascinating information about this. i see your plug, my brother. good. good, good good. thank you all for a great conversation. next up, a closer look at deprogram trump supporter. i'll tell you all about it. you
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spirit and there's grog to be a red wave next week. it's going to be unbelievable. and they're talking about us. the vast majority if republicans in battleground states who voted for donald trump in 2016 plan to do it ghen again in 17 days. according to a college poll, the base that have had enough of trump. make up just 6% in battleground states but their presence could make a modest erosion in his very loyal base. joining knee tell a compelling story of one such voter who dumped trump is msnbc political analyst and public of the irnc. and my friend. so happy to have you here. >> so happy to see you in that chair. >> thank you. thank you very much. the producers were telling me about this story and i was fascinated by it. i read it like three times. i feel i could recite it
verbatim at this point. tell me the story quickly if you can of don? >> you and i have seen the kind of polls you site where in the abstract we kneeow a small numb of people defected donald trump but significant enough to make a difference electorally. i asked people on twit. tell me a granular story. i heard a few. this one stuck with me from the beginning. so named don, interestingly, southern california, veteran, flew in the air force. stationed in germany douring the cold war. comes back to america. starts a family in southern california and is your classic moderate republican. and he, you know, kind of doesn't like the hippies in the '60s and says love it or leave it. that kind of thing, but he's a sane, reasonable, fact-based republican of a kind that maybe we can remember. and 20 years ago he started,
diagnosed with parkinson's and everybody's situation is different. but his doctors became concerned that one of the symptoms he was experienced as part of his cognitive decline was a susceptibility to misinformation, and his daughter, the one who reached out to me kathy, noticed that her moderate republican dad was suddenly, like very quickly became a conspiracy theorist. spending all of his time on email forwards. this is even before social media, and became, his informational web was like email folders. the disease progressed and his mind started living in this castle of fantasy and that coincided with what happened in the country and he votes for trump is. sadly because of the disease got locked out of his passwords on the computer, his illness developed and he couldn't read
this stiff, lost interest in the computer. stopped watching for ing fox ne bread and butter. kathy said the most amazing thing, when you unplug people from the i.v. of untruth, they wake up. soon as you took the drupg drug, he woke up to his senses and realized what is this guy trump? saw all of these things about trump were there before he could not see, and woke up. so he started evolving. to bring the story to the present, 2020 rolls around and kathy's like what are you going to do? don says, i'm going to vote for joe biden. and she says what do you like about joe biden? he said he's an honorable stand-up guy. and in the final weeks before the ballots were mailed in california, don was eagerly asking, where's my ballot? has it come in the mail? kathy checking on the mail. he was so eager, tiffany, because of the progression of his diseases. also decided under california
law to end his own life. because of terminal disease that was too painful to him to live with and he was in this race of, will his ballot arrive in the mail and cut his chance to vote for a democrat first times in his 87 years on planet earth before he flew west for the final times he was in the air force. >> wow. i mean, i was taken by his story, by his daughter's perspective. the most interesting thing about this is the level of misinformation and disinformation that penetrates society. so i don't wanted to be insensitive to this particular instance, because he had an actual disease that was eroding his thought process. i want to ask you, a lot of people who are in trump's base do not have a disease. they actually celebrate this. so one thing that i am curious of your thoughts on, for the people who dot not have a
decease believed in the president last time and trump was clear who he was in 2016, eneumanated the things he would do. when the monster turned on his base, that's when a few people broke faith. not over racism or misogyny or xenophobia because of something that directly impacted their lives. what are we to make of people like to? i don't know i'm ready to ally with them yet, but tell me. >> look, want moment in my life when i had a buzz cut p. you know? we all need freedom to change our mind. this is a very important point in the trump era for the left and broader anti-fascist coalition in america, which is, i feel there's so much reason to be angry with anybody who endangered my brown children by
voting for this guy. if you voted for donald trump you put my children and millions of other people's children in harm's way. you put the planet in harm's way, so on and so forth. rage is justified, but sometimes that spills over into saying, you know what? it's too late. it's too late. now, i have, i say the too late thing when it's isn't senator writing a memoir. when it comes to regular people voters we must always embrace people for changing their mind nap is what democracy is. before's women voted a lot of people felt one way about the capacity of women to vote and then you got women voting and a lot of people very quickly did not feel that way. a lot of people felt one way about black people in the past, survey, after black lives matter, those numbers swung quickly in one year. around gay rights, et cetera. we have to give citizens a chance to change their minds. not rewarding through outsized
influence. those who change their mind they don't get to the front of the line. but those who don't want america could be fascist should be incredibly welcoming of anybody at any hour waking up to the world of reality. >> i appreciate your thoughts on that, and i think you make compelling points and encourage everybody to read your story at theinc. fascinating and says a lot about the level of disinformation that seeps into our homes and our society. thank you, my friend, for having this conversation with me. hopefully we'll do it again and share the screen many more times. i appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, we'll ask a burning question -- where in the world is my friend ali velshi? stay tuned. d ali velshi stay tuned. ♪
before the election. must-watch tv. where will we see you tomorrow? >> tiffany, tomorrow i continue my "velshi across america" in tucson, arizona. voters are divided over trump's border wall and family separation policy. arizonans are weighing new leadership on climate change and health care after a scorching summer and a surge in covid cases state-wide. talking togina ramiro and whether biden could be the first democratic president to win arizona since 1996. tiffany? >> arizona has lots more than 322 polling locations. i'm sure that will come up in your show tomorrow. looking forward to it. thank you, ali. watch "velshi across america" tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. eastern right here on missnsnbmsnbc. coming up, rudy guiliani is up to something -- again. stay with us. stay with us. i don't have to worry about that, do i?
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>> so ready to go to work. >> she's joe biden's choice to be next in line. high is kamala harris? >> i did not see an attorney general, a senator, a vice president's nominee. >> join me, joy reid, exploring her journey from oakland to washington. >> sit down, i'm 6%. what the [ bleep ] am i supposed to do with that. >> subscribe for free wherever you get your podcast. there's nothing wrong with taking information from russians. >> nothing wrong. >> depends on where it came from. >> your campaign this time, foreigners, radja, china offers information, should she accept it or call the fbi? >> maybe you do both. might want to listen. i don't -- there's nothing wrong with living. with listening. >> what? on wednesday the 's in's in
posted a post featuring rudy guiliani and featuring usual suspects. hunter biden, mysterious emails, dot, dot, dot, dot, but the story didn't land as thunderously as giuliani hoped due to lack of publication of the's of "washington post" the claim. last year, giuliani was a target of a russian interrogation with the goal having him feed misinformation to the president. joining me, insane, people i need to help talk me through this. author of "russian roulette" and npr media correspondent. guys, so happy to have you here and start with you david. i read your piece this morning. great job. you break it down and say why this whole "new york post" story
was nonsense. who. a heavy hand in it? tell us who that was. >> well, as you foreshad ode, this was story thumb 3 prints among others, rudy guiliani, not only one of the president's most dogged advocates but somebody relied upon clearly discredited material and sources. fox news research desk early this year basically warned its journalists against relying heavily on rudy guiliani and last month donald trump's own treasury department identified a russian figure as a russian agent, a figure that giuliani interviewed on the oan network and relied upon information in other ways. so rudy himself is a complicated character to rely upon. if you think about this story, it was a story that relied upon emails that haven't been verified, from a laptop whose ownership has not been prove ton prove a meeting that has not
been clearly prove ton han to h taken place and was given to the computer repair shop owner who couldn't then identify even by the "new york post's" own account whether or not it was hunter biden who dropped it off. these are complicated. i'm not saying it will prove to be utterly untrue, prove all material that the "post" used this week for its many stories will prove to be false. it's that this isn't kind of the authentication one would rely upon for journalism. i want to add one more element. the lead report other than this named emma jo morris. she didn't respond to my requests to talk to her about this story. but the sum total of her bylines in the "new york post" her role joining, politics editor is this week in all of these stories about hunter biden and this cache of supposed emails. her previous job was working for
three years and eight months for sean hannithannity, president's friend, one of his closest advisers, one of lis best friends and a leading figure on the president's favorite leading television network, fox news. a safe, warm embrace. hard for press to take it at its word and relay, here's another report as we might from murdoch's "washington post" or npr. >> i think call sean hannity one of donald trump's best friends. recorded they talked to each other every night and no hang up conversation before bedtime. lost on me, both of you guys, david korn, i read your story, but -- >> okay. my appaologieapologies. >> did a great job framing the conversation. david korn, turn to you. this is baffling. not only do you have rudy guiliani acting as an agent of the russians whether he is
willing or unwilling, he is doing their bidding, so to speak. and nobody has seemed to stop him from doing it, and he's feeding something to senior citizen who happens to be the president who's very receptive to this misinformation. what danger does it pose to all of us in this country? >> let's step back and look at the wider picture for a moment. in 2016 the russians attacked the elections with information warfare and helped donald trump win and it succeeded. it wasn't the only reason donald trump won but it was a reason. now for a good number of months for the past years, though, we've had people in trump's own administration including fbi director chris fer wropher rey the russians were doing this again to help donald trump. we know there is a massive
russian campaign, disinformation campaign to help trump win. we know from the senate intelligence committee report from august endorsed by the republicans who were on the committee that the russians are trying to use ukraine misinformation. stories about ukraine to help trump win. so that's the landscape. into this landscape walks rudy guiliani, who has the other david pointed out as i pound out in my piece has been collaborating with a russian intelligent agent who's cited for being so by trump's own u.s. treasure and they say, and he tells -- his job, pass disinformation to smear biden. so we're getting rudy guiliani in a league with the russian plan. we know that the intelligence community and robert o'brien, national security adviser have
told trump the russians are doing this and feeding information to giuliani. he only doesn't care, just the same way he didn't care in 2016 because he sees it as being useful to him. it's not just a media question. this is a national security question. in the "new york post" piece no mention of any of this and one big problem with the story is flot just we can't verify this, everything the other david just said, it's in a very sense putting forward the false narrative that this has been pushing that biden, vice president biden, pressured ukraine government to fire a prosecutor to protect hunter biden. that's in the big false narrative rudesy pushing knop evidence of that. the only proposed is after that is suspect. >> right. i think we had multiple incidents here. one hand, disinformation campaign by the russians. there is rudy guiliani acting as an agent for them.
and then there's the role the media plays here. "new york post" owned by newscorps. rupert murdoch reportedly thinks joe biden will take the election in a landslide. daily beast pressed him, he said no comment. is this his effort to make sure that to hit the panic button saying we've got to step up our game? the role that media can play in advancing these type of false narrativ narratives. propaganda networks like fox news and "the new york woeftpos" the other david, what is the danger in having extremely right wing outlets penetrate the napes? "new york post" has 230,000 readers, actually. >> if you look at the murdoch properties, fox is kind of a television embodiment in many ways of the "new york post."
they can do journalism but that's not the point. unlike "the post" the point is profits but also to sort of serve as a dominant player, conservative circles and republican life in this country and through that murdoch enjoys tremendous influence and pow perp doing stories like these late in the game on such a poorly constructed edifice is basically putting your thumb on the scale. it's giving fox among other thing as ton of grist to funnel through its most popular shows, "fox & friends," particularly evening opinion show most highly rated ones and for people to chew over kind of on the, the shows in the evening as well. even if debating it. even if not giving it full credence at every hour of the day, it helps to dominate their coverage on fox. it helps to rally outrage on
sort of a core base, which is what the president's done. that may not prove to be incredibly effective, rupert murdoch emphatic about power may be acknowledging things look pretty dire for the president now, but murdoch also expected hillary clinton to win in 2016 and ridden trump hard as a horse to this point throughout. he did not back off at all when roger ailes was forced out right before the election in the summer of 2016. and this is true to form and does have an effect where if the bugle is sounded loud enough, typically it diverts of rest of the press pack to pay attention even in dissecting and unraveling it. this time around a lot of the press includincluding npr, we'r recycling this wholesale. bloomberg does a good job, at least on social media, circulating the story saying sump and such happened, e new
york post" says. i thought it was a step back from their usual care that they provide their readers and audiences. in this case i think there are enough red and yellow flags to make people wonder, should we go forward on this? is there something there? was there such a meeting if there is not proof of it, maybe hold off. if there was such a meeting what does it prove and as david said, the premise mar by the prosecutor being widely overstataled. >> the story is too big. talk more tomorrow. do another blog on sunday. you've dawn great job putting it in context. can't thank you enough. david korn. i miss our chats in the green room and david, thanks to you both. next up, a deep dive of the largest minority group of eligible voters. you don't want to miss this. keep it right there. miss this. keep it right there. (avo) what kind of value are you looking for
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-- you are the future of the country, and you really are. so, folks, look. we're going to be in a situation where we can't make this, we can't do it without you all. we cannot win without the community. joe biden is right. he cannot win without latinx voters, even though biden is leading trump by 36 points among registered latinx voters in the latest nbc/"wall street journal" poll, he cannot take their votes for granted. joining me to discuss is geraldo, professor of history and la tena and latino studies and author of "the hispanic republican." geraldo, happy to have you with me. i read your piece in the "new york times" and e-mailed can we get him? happy you were able to join. great piece, by the way. i want to talk about what do you mean by "othering" latinos?
>> what i mean is continuing to see us as a marginal population instead of a population that's truly spread across the country and living everywhere including states that aren't necessarily swing states. i think the issue is that in election seasons we become very visible in the suspect swing states like texas and arizona and florida. even though we're truly spread across the country. i looked at what the ten states in 2016 with narrowest margins of victory were and sure, florida and arizona, but also included maine, new hampshire, iowa, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin and in all of those states, the number of eligible latino voters was greater than the margin of victory. so we need to pay attention to latinos as truly national community not just in swing states. >> yeah. i agree.
i think the media and so much we know about politics filtered through the media talks about minorities as if we're the potato and not the steak. we are the rise man jorty and should be a part of the conversation. the latinx voter, in terms of actual registered but eligible eclipsed black voters, but we don't see it at the polls. why do you think latinx people aren't registering and voting? >> a great question and ones political scientists and others studied a long time. the old, bad explanation used to be latinos were apathetic and didn't care about politics, but lately the interpretation has turned to the fact that latinos
feel aileenated in the political system. worts reports over the summer, in july, half not contacted by either campaign. so why would you feel invested in the political process if politicians weren't talking to you? i think the feeling is that campaigns get started too late in general. isn't always true, but during political conventions, or during hispanic heritage month and the last couple of weeks in the campaign is too late to try to reach out to and develop real relationships with latino voters. >> i think you see it happen with a lot of communities of color. looking at states with the highest percentage of latino voters. there are swing states here. florida with, 20.5%. texas and arizona are definitely on the rise to be battlegrounds. what does it say, do you think, that, politicians tend to use
hispanic heritage month, as a black woman i'm insulted when people make those ridiculous efforts. how can we change that? dance with the one who brung you and pay some attention to me? >> yeah. well, again, i think the problem with hispanic heritage month, again, it cuts in both directions. one hand, great. feels like your culture is honored and communities acknowledged but to do so only one month of the year instead are that we care about jobs, health care every single day of the year year-round is a little insulting. i think again, the problem with hispanic heritage month and politicians efforts to reach out to us during this month in a kind of super visible way is, again, instrumentizes the latino vote suggesting politicians only see latinos as voters and we need to be recognized as core americans just like other
others. >> preaching to the choir, my friend. there is a significant amount of trump support within the latino community. that baffles me. really does. explain it to me from your perspective, how you explain, how you see that? >> i would just point two thing. first, the over the past 50 years a tradition somewhere between a quarter and a third of latinos support the republican candidate. ever since richard nixon's re-election campaign in 1972. so i think numbers like the ones you flashed on the screen as trump commanding something like 26% of support and think that's right in line with the average over the past 50 years. on one hand i think it's a matter of the development of partisan loyalty over a long period of time. on the other hand, i think it's about a handful of issues that continue to draw latinos in to the republican party. i point to religious freedom by which i don't just mean the politics of abortion, also charter schools with religious
identities, introduction of religion into public life. i point to so-called law and order where 50% of the border patrol employees are latinos. many serve in the military, serve as police office. masculine provgs professions t towards the republican party. handful of issues and developed partisan loyalty over a long period of time . >> a great xofrconversation. thank you for being on the show. guys, time flies when trending. i sue you on twitter. thanks for tuning in and making us trend. more "am joy" tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern. for now stay tuned for "weekends with alex witt," my pal roland martin on an talking to john lithgow on his take and his new book "trumpty dumpty" coming up at 1:00 p.m. eastern. i'll be watching. ll be watchin
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