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ready to head to pennsylvania in a few years. the candidates are nearly deadlocked in the tipping point state as the polling lead evaporates on the one issue the president has been doing better on than joe biden. and the key don't rules changes or rule enforcements. and in some of the key battle ground states like wisconsin politics meets the pandemic. 40 states reporting rising coronavirus cases with more on what experts say is the biggest risk right now and it may not be what you think it is. i'm hallie jackson in washington. here to start us off today, monica alba in pennsylvania. allie batali in washington, and michael steele, a senior adviser to the lincoln project. monica, you have the president doing what felt like an on air round of debate prep on fox news this morning. essentially spit balling with the host on what we think we
might see on thursday. >> reporter: exactly, hallie. and previewing probably many of his points he's going to make at the rally tonight in erie, pennsylvania. we talk about critical battle ground states. perhaps none bigger than pennsylvania. the keystone state. erie county, long considered a democratic stronghold, the president turned it red in 2016. he's hoping to do the same here if he has a chance of winning this state. we're going to see something very rare tonight, something that hasn't happened in more than 16 months. that's the first lady is going to be joining the president on the campaign trail after a lengthy absence. she hasn't been at one of these since last summer when he formally announced his reelection bid in orlando in june. that would be notable. she has been somebody who has really promoted mask wearing and the importance of social distancing. of course, neither of those two things are things we see consistently at the rallies. we'll watch for that. and it all comes again with the
coronavirus as the backdrop as the president continues to feud with dr. anthony fauci. again, falsely claiming that he's a democrat when, of course, the renowned infectious disease expert is apolitical, has served presidents going back for six decades of both parties and is not registered with either. we need to point out. it comes at a time when the president wants to continue gathering thousands even as we see spikes. you mentioned debates. the president said he didn't going to have any kind of formal sessions. he considers this his debate prep, and take a listen to another piece of strategy he previewed on "fox and friends" this morning. >> look, when somebody stands there and lies lies lies, i like to challenge it at the time. because you don't have time to go back. there are a lot of people that say let him talk because he loses his train. >> reporter: the president there not permitting to not
interrupting. that was a hallmark of his performance in fact first general election debate matchup. he's implying he'll continue to do that thursday when it's moderated by our dear friend and colleague kristen welker. but with those new debate rules and the fact that some of the segments the opponent's microphone might be muted, he might have a harder time interjecting. the president saying he's not going to change much about his style or his substance for this week, hallie. >> monica live for us in erie. allie, the biden side of things, he is not only campaign trail for most of this week. he's been focusing on debate prep. he is picking up a couple notable endorsements this morning. talk to us about that and what you're hearing from your sources inside the campaign. >> notable endorsements that really continue the trend that the biden campaign has tried to paint a picture of a democratic party with a big tent. highlighting endorsements from unlikely places and supporters on thinking about republicans like john kasich, for example,
cindy mccain. those are some of the names they've touted and today continues to follow that trend. two notable endorsements i would draw your attention to, first, usa today endorsing a presidential candidate for the first time saying that folks should vote for biden. in 2016 they didn't go that far. they urged voters against voting for donald trump then as a candidate at that point in 2016. so a shift for usa today, and another endorsement that is drawing our attention which is from retired admiral william mcraven who oversaw the bin laden raid. i want to read his reasoning he says for why he voted for joe biden. he says i am a pro life, presecond amendment small government strong defense and a national anthem standing conservative. but i also believe that black lives matter, that the dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national
success. climate change is real and the first amendment is the corner stone of our democracy. most important, i believe that america must lead in the world with courage, conviction, and a sense of honor and humility. and so, again, this is something that the biden campaign has continuously used to try to show that to them, this idea of battle of the soul of a nation has never been steeped in party politics. instead, biden has always tried to push it above the partisanship we see. these kind of endorsements do that and i think someone else on our panel is speaking to that trend here with something else he's announcing today, too. >> excellent. it's almost as if you know the rundown of our show. michael is a former chair of the rnc. you are not just not endorsing donald trump. that's not a surprise. anybody who watches this show or
network knows you're not a fan of president trump. you're going so far as to endorse joe biden in the new op ed you've posted on nbcnews.com. you say i'm a republican voting for joe biden because i'm an american first. explain what you mean by that and why now, why make it official today? >> well, these things evolve as all things do. you assess and reassess, and i understand the gravity of the moment. i understand the importance of having a former republican national chairman step into this space and to endorse the democratic nominee for president. at certain points you have to ask yourself what's the most important thing here? what is it that animates this moment? for me it's my country. it's seeing what we've been through. this integration of trust that keeps this republic together. the berating of my fellow
citizens. i don't care if they're part of the media or not. they're citizens. they're americans. that's why it was important for me to strike the tone out of the gate. it's not about being a republican or democrat. it's not about the partnership. i said to joe biden, i look forward to going after you on some of the policy initiatives you're going to be putting out there, but the important thing right now in this moment is where do i stand as a citizen? against all these things, and even in this moment against my party that has given license to a lot of bad behavior. i expect more of my president. and i think biden will deliver that. >> sorry, michael, a bit of the delay on the skype. did you speak to the former vice president about the endorsement? >> i wanted to talk to him and wanted to get a sense from him of his value set. i've known the vice president in the past. we have -- our paths have crossed, and same with kamala
harris. we've broken bread together. these people aren't strange to me. they're not strangers to any of us. and joe biden is someone that we've come to know over his long service to the country. i wanted to hear and get my own feed and read of that commitment they have to the country, because that to me matters more than anything else. at the end of the day, we've had partisan presidents. we've had presidents who have had good policies and bad policies. i remember a lot of my republican friends who are lavishing heaps of praise over donald trump and his spending losing their minds, absolutely losing their minds over the spending in the bush years for the war in iraq. so that leadership for me is something that has got to be a consistency. it's got to be a consistent thread about the character of the person and the individual
behind that oval office desk. >> you said something interesting. you described it as the denigration of trust in our institutions. i want to ask you about something that i think monica touched on earlier in the show. the idea president trump is going after dr. anthony fauci who himself some folks think he's an institution, some don't. he's one of the nation's top infectious disease doctors. and here we are in the middle of a pandemic. i wonder about where your head is on this. the attacks the president is leveling on dr. fauci. >> that's just it. what is it? an add problem? where are you here? you're all over the map. we're in the middle of a pandemic. we're seeing an increase in the virus attacking communities around the country. you're going out here and you're hosting these super spreader events, giving people the false impression that you're cured. you're not. i mean, look at the end of the day, if you can't tell me when you last tested negative, you're
not cured. that's the truth. call it what it is. to go after someone like dr. anthony fauci who has not just the credentials but someone the country has come to rely on because he is reliable in his information, in his facts, and in his trust. and that says more about donald trump than anything else, and the fact yur of his leadership. when he can't even trust the man that he picks to put in the position to speak to us. if he goes after them, i'm going to believe trump over someone like dr. fauci? americans are saying no. he's the scientist. he's the one looking at the data and evidence and seeing how the virus is behaving and tracking. why shouldn't i trust him? >> former rnc chairman michael steele with the new endorsement this morning. monica and allie, thank you for being with us as well. we have breaking news this
morning. taking on google in an anti-trust lawsuit accusing the company of abusing the dominance in online search to try to stifle competition. i want to bring in pete williams looking at the breaking details. what do we know about this? >> this is a lawsuit just filed in federal court in washington by the justice department and 11 states accusing google of dominating by using contracts and other means to stifle competition. now, google hasn't yet commented on this, but it saw it coming. the justice department and the federal trade commission have been looking into google, facebook amazon and other big tech companies for over a year. william barr has been outspoken about the need to file the lawsuit. he put the deputy attorney general in charge of the case, and other states have been talking about suing google, and this is a case, a strategy here
that will have some bipartisan support. republicans and some democrats have been critical of google. when elizabeth warren ran in the primary, she had a plan to break up google and facebook and amazon by forcing them to spin off some of their companies and invite more competition. this will be a titanic legal battle. your children will be cofferive this case. it's going to take that long to resolve in court. the last time the government moved against a dominant company in the tech industry was in the early 1990s when the justice department sued microsoft. that looked like it was going to be a huge employblow the micros. the case settled out with a minor settlement between the government and settlement. microsoft agreed to make some modest changes in business practices. these tech companies have grown with very little government
supervision or control, and now finally the federal courts are going to step in and see whether these anti-trust laws we have can restrict the size and growth of these dominant companies. >> pete, quickly, as this works its way through the court system as the legal battle goes on, will people who use google notice any difference right away or not? >> no. the lawsuit has to go through court. googlel is not going to roll over immediately with a dissent decree. this is going to be a head to head huge fight. google is going to resist this with everything it has and it's going to take a long time to get a judgment from the court. that will be appealed and who knows how long all of that will last. >> pete williams live for us in our washington news room with the breaking news. pete, thank you. up next, we're sticking with court news. there's a new supreme court ruling that says when and how a key battle ground state can count mail-in ballots.
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democrats are declaring victory in the battle ground state of pennsylvania not about the election, obviously. that's a couple weeks ago but on a supreme court ruling that came out essentially that lets pennsylvania accept and count mail-in ballots that arrive up to three days after election day. republicans argued counting late ballots would inject chaos. but the chair of pennsylvania state democratic party calls the order a significant victory for voters say, quote, republicans have had every opportunity to get serious and work to empower pennsylvania voters but at every turn they have chosen to route of attempting to fuel confusion and silence the voices of
pennsylvani pennsylvanian. why is this significant? president trump beat hillary clinton by less than 1% in 2016. a late batch of mail-in ballots after election day maybe could tip the scales. with me now is the lieutenant governor of pennsylvania. thank you for being with us this morning. >> it's my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> jenna ellis is calling this a loss for voters and election integrity. what's your response? >> it's obviously just the opposite. it's a tremendous win for democracy in pennsylvania. i'd like to point out 700,000 republicans in pennsylvania are using vote by mail. the idea that it's exclusively a democratic phenomenon in pennsylvania isn't true. 7 00,000 republicans are going to vote by mail in this state too. it's a great decision for
democracy. not for any particular party. >> we talk about why your state is so important. and it is, and as you may -- i understand deeply the political importance of that state. even though the supreme court says ballots can be counted three days after election day, what are you guys doing? what is your state going trying to facilitate people getting ballots into prior to election day trying to avoid keeping the election in limbo until the votes are counted? >> one of the things we need in pennsylvania is the ability to begin early canvassing. right now that's being brought by the gop legislature. and this is just a simple idea. that we're going to allow the counties to begin to count ballots three or five days before the election day to make sure they're ready to be counted. under state law, all that can only commence at the earliest, at 7:00 on election day.
>> that's a good point. there's also a november 23rd deadline for reporting the final count between election day and november 23rd. do you think it could come close to that. >> no. >> may it be that late before we know how your state voted? >> i don't think so. vote by mail in pennsylvania is safe and secure. it worked well in june. we did not have one single documented case of voter fraud during the primary earlier in the year, and 2 .7 million ballots and counting are out, and we are quite confident that this is going to go up without a hitch. that doesn't mean it's going to be perfect. but it means that the nation can trust that pennsylvania's results will be true and reflect the democratic will of our voter without a doubt. and anyone that says anything to the contrary, that is used to make chaos. that's attached to an agenda to discredit the results. >> the supreme court made the decision 4-4. it was a deadlocked court.
i wonder if as somebody who is a leader in pennsylvania, somebody involved in politics, if that speaks to you about the amy coney barrett nomination. the idea that she'd end up being a deciding vote in similar cases like these down the road. >> i tweeted last night. it's like democrats shouldn't be giving themselves a pat on the back or anything. it's not like they won that or argued that case successfully. it was simply a 4-4 vote. and with the impending confirmation, that would have gone the other way. it illustrates what's at stake when she assumes the supreme court. to me it's trying to make sure we get out and vote and make thur this election is decided by the voters in pennsylvania and across the country and not by the supreme court, because like i said, that decision was ominous in the sense that they had the four votes. they just needed one more. as early as this coming monday from what i understand, they
could very well have their fifth. >> i have a minute left here, lieutenant governor. i want to ask you aon the campaign side, president trump is going to be out in the erie area today. joe biden has campaigned in the area and "the washington post" is reporting anxiety there. people worried about voter intimidation. one says an open carry group may show up outside an event. they say the idea is to support president trump and make sure nobody interferes. they say it's not to confront law enforcement or inhibit voters. do you think that's acceptable and what are you doing to stop intimidation? >> it's not acceptable. it's overblown too. there's chaos. chaos makes people question the underlying legitimacy. like the facts are the facts. voting in pennsylvania has gone incredibly smooth.
we're in a situation where you can trust these results. the president is going to erie because erie is one of the premier bellwether counties in america. the president was there a little over a week ago. i advised myself the vice president's campaign to go to erie because it's critical. the vice president was in johnstown. and then the president followed. everyone understands that joe biden resonates at a very deep level in pennsylvania. and that's why the president is trailing him across pennsylvania in these various important counties that secretary clinton didn't visit in 2016. so it bodes well for the biden campaign, the fact that -- yeah. >> okay. we have to go. lieutenant governor, thank you for being on the show and talking through that developing news with us this morning. we appreciate it. >> let's talk about the numbers the lieutenant governor talked about. polling numbers, early voting numbers from pennsylvania.
steve kornacki is at the big board. you've been digging into numbers. what do they tell us about the election? >> interesting in pennsylvania. the polling average here. biden's lead about four points on average in pennsylvania. i'll show you two sets of number. one gets democrats excited. these are the ballots returned in pennsylvania. mail-in voting underway. nearly 700,000 ballots returned. we're seeing this in other states for democrats. you're seeing it in pennsylvania certainly. you're seeing it elsewhere. democrats excited about this number. what gets republicans excited in pennsylvania are these numbers right here. these are voter registrations in pennsylvania since june. the last few months. republicans here with nearly 200,000 more registrations than democrats significantly less than that.
so republicans gaining in registrations in pennsylvania. and no surprise there, talk about this in pennsylvania. talk about this nationally. republicans think in the trump campaign is saying they think they've identified new voters. folks who may not be picked up on the polls but will turn out on election day. who will turn out an on election day and be heard from then. only way to test it is to get to election day and see. >> we want to ask you about new polling this morning from the new york times in sienna. it's interesting. it shows joe biden leading trump. look at the issues. it shows biden doing better on i think all of them including virtually tied with the president on the economy. if you look at that 47 to 48. i wonder if you have a take away. when i talk to sources around the trump campaign, they hammer the economy and the president's advantage on that. do you think that seems to be shrinking in the last couple
weeks? >> it's interesting. on that question we've seen trump with a narrow advantage on that. that's the first time i've seen that advantage gone completely. let's take a look here if we get a few more polls and they show it completely disappearing. when you poll all the different issues, consistently that's been the one where trump has had any kind of advantage over biden. no surprise the trump folks have been talking that up. when you look at national polls with joe biden leading in the high single digits, you can probably expect him to have an advantage on those key issues. >> steve kornacki live for us at the big board. thank you. i appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, we're talking trump versus dr. fauci. why one of them says it's not personal. the other is making it personal. this morning's swipes from the president and what it means for the pandemic response. on that pandemic, the new surge of co-vid cases is hitting the upper midwest especially hard with a new warning on what might
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are here are the facts this hour as coronavirus infections climb in 38 states, the number of new cases has risen to almost 70,000 a day. that's a number we have not seen since late july. according to the american health care association, the number of nursing home cases is on the rise, too. after declining for the last seven weeks. and then there's this. in the race of a vaccine, the uk government signed a contract for the world's first human challenge trial. healthy volunteers for people who are not sick will deliberately become infected in a controlled setting and get an experimental vaccine. this is considered controversial by some health experts. there's no sure fire treatment in place. joining me from north dakota to talk about what's happening on the ground is josh letterman. josh, it is a dire situation it seems in north dakota, a satate
that reportedly only has one staffed icu bed left. talk about the new warning about could be risky behavior over the next couple months. >> reporter: well, tomorrow this event center will become an early voting center. today in a couple hours it's going to be a co-vid drive lu testing site. about 500 people over the course of an hour and a half will get tested here. they're going to drive down this street over here. they'll pull inside, get their co-vid test and then be on their way as bis marc and the broader upper midwest region try to get their hands around this major surge we're seeing in a big factor that's driving the transmission according to public health experts here on the ground that we've been speaking with, it's not necessarily people going out. it's not small gatherings. people meeting up inside people's home. football is big in north dakota. people want to sit around and watch the game with each other. a lot of them are not wearing masks. i want you to wear from jenna
who lives in business maismarck. take a listen. why do you think people are reluctant to have a mask mandate? >> i don't know. i think a lot of them are doing it because of the politics. but i don't know. i don't know why. i think we should be smarter than that. >> reporter: there's no statewide mandate for masks in north dakota. the governor wants it up to residents. a local area, the fargo putting in a mask mandate effective immediately. the city of minot following suit. but if you do not abide by that mask mandate, there's currently no penalty. >> it's interesting, josh,
looking at your backdrop scene. i think that's snow on the ground behind you in north dakota. as the weather gets colder, people will move indoors. that's where officials are warning the risk is higher. josh letterman, thank you for that report from north dakota. as we talk about case and hospitalizations rising there and around the country, president trump in pennsylvania is again targeting one of his top health ek perts after trashing dr. anthony fauci in a campaign call monday. >> people are tired of co-vid. people are tired of hearing dr. fauci and all these idiots, these people, these people that have gotten it wrong. every time he goes on television, there's always a bomb. there's a bigger bomb if you fire him. dr. fauci is a disaster. i get along with him very well. he's a democrat. he's a very good friend of cuomo family. he's been there a long time. i leave him there, and he's a nice guy, but he's been wrong. the only thing i say is he's a little bit sometimes not a team
player. >> i'm joined by dr. natalie azar. thank you for being with us. dr. fauci is not registered with either party. a fact check off the top. as a health care worker, can you talk about the real life practical impact of something like this coming from the president of the united states in the middle of a pandemic? >> look, the foundation of any public health effort really lies in trust and also in communication from leadership. think about it. if constituents aren't going to trust the officials who are telling them what to do, they aren't going to follow that guidance. so the president's continues rhetoric is eroding that trust. and it's also undermining the efforts not just of dr. anthony fauci but of all the organizations, fda as well as the nih, and the communication could not be more important that
we have clear and consistent messaging from the top without that, that is just further driving a knife into the divisiveness that is already present in this country, and frankly, until everybody adopts this appropriate behavior collectively, there is no end to the pandemic in sight. forgetting about the vaccine and therapeutics. we're talking about human behavior that can make a huge difference. >> i want to play how dr. fauci has responded to this. here's what he said. s >> it's like in the god father. nothing personal. it's strictly business. i just want to do my job and take care of the people of this country. that's all i want to do. >> he's not making it personal. you talk about trust. this new nbc tracking poll finds a majority of americans say they do not trust with president trump is saying about his health, health about how he's doing after testing positive for
covid-19. i think that speaks to the idea you're talking act. the one piece is a science, therapeutic, vaccine. the other is human behavior and how trust has an impact. >> we know that. if you're hospitalized with covid-19 right now you'll hopefully be offered some therapeutics that show tremendous promise. we know that. but short of having herd immunity, our behavior is really going to be the thing that drives us. and let me just state if it's unclear for anybody, the only way the economy recovers is to have the virus under control and for now, that's human behavior. and that's dr. anthony fauci. i don't often take personal offense to something like this, but it's really hard, i think for many of us in medicine to listen to the way he's being spoken about. his record speaks for himself. i along with many of my colleagues who trained in the 1990s during aids really think
of him as a hero. and, in fact, the national academy of medicine announced yesterday dr. fauci is going to be the recipient of an award on the advancement of health care not just for his decades of service but particularly for his response in the covid-19 pandemic. and i think that speaks volumes about him. >> doctor natalie azar, that speaks volumes. thank you. i appreciate your time this morning. returning to politics, we're maybe t-minus ten hours from the deadline set by the house speak tore get to a deal before the election. we're talking about where negotiations stand next. t where negotiations stand next. i found lower premiums - and lower prescription costs. and those new insulin savings! hundreds of plans, $35 a month. that'll save you money. so uh, mark? on medicare.gov now. open enrollment ends dec 7th. comparing plans... ...really pays.
after what you could call a small sign of progress monday. pelosi's office saying the two continues to narrow differences. the big issues still do not seem to be figured out as of this morning. and president trump just a couple hours ago is throwing this into the mix. a willingness to spend even more than pelosi has proposed, something members of his own party have said they can't get behind. >> i want to do it even bigger than the democrats. not every republican agrees with me, but they will. >> mr..she's at 2 .4 trillion. you want to go bigger than that. >> she's at 2 .2 and i would like to go -- i would be willing to go more. >> democratic congresswoman katherine clark joins me. she's the vice chair of the house democratic caucus. thank you for being on the show. >> good to be with you. >> so the president says that mitch mcconnell, senate republicans would get on board with a big deal if the deal is
worked out. do you think he's right? >> i certainly hope so. what we are watching are the president and the republicans across the aisle scrambling to decide if they're going to care about the american people. and i certainly hope that they are going to come out on the side of seeing that the american people are standing on the corner of despair and fear. there's one number i'd like to tell you about. and that's 8 million. we have 8 million cases of coronavirus in this country, and 8 million people have fallen into poverty because of it. those are the people that we are fighting for when we pass the heros act five months ago. and those are the people that we are making sure the republicans see and act to help. we have to do more in this country. we have to help our small
businesses. we have to stabilize child care. we have to make sure -- and there's every reason we can make our workplaces and schools safe so we can have healthy people and reopen our economy. >> we know the speaker of the house and mnuchin are set to speak today. have you heard anything? >> i have not heard this morning. i know that we -- they are scheduled to talk and absolutely. listen, the staff of our committees have been working around the clock to provide information, to try and get to a compromise. what we've already seen from the speaker is coming down halfway while including more funding for the ppp program to support our main street businesses. to reopen our schools and to protect the airline industry. but we still don't have a national plan on how we are
going to contain and crush this virus. they still aren't talking about providing for our local heroes so we can make sure our firefighters and emt workers stay on the job. >> so you've talked through what you see as outstanding issues here. given that and given the deadline speaker pelosi put in place basically tonight to get something done before election day, how likely is that to happen based on what you know right now, what are the chances the american people tonight will say we're going to get something done? >> the ball is in the president's court. i would love to take him at his word that instead of mocking our scientists that he is going to focus on doing an even bigger package as the chair of the federal reserve said. we cannot invest too much money
in the american people. and so we're going to keep coming back to making sure that they understand what's at stake. that we need healthy people to rebuild a healthy economy. that our restaurants are depending on them to come and see them and aid them. that our schools can be safe places for teachers and parents and our students. all of this is possible if they'll come to the table with the american people's interest first, and not take mitch mcconnell's approach which is we're going to focus on large corporations and you know, we're going to wait and see and continue to hit the pause button on the needs of our communities. >> congresswoman, thank you so much for joining us on an important day for members of the house and congress. i appreciate it. coming up next, we know it's out there. a wave of disinformation
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it feels a little like deja vu after the senate report on russian interference in the 2016 election found, quote, no single group of americans was targeted by ira information operatives more than black americans. nbc's morgan radford sat down with some of them in the key battleground state of florida. >> reporter: from the wrong election date on twitter to fake robo calls. >> if you vote by mail, your personal information will be part of a public database. >> reporter: experts are sounding the alarm at disinformation aimed squarely at black and latino voters. almost 13 million of the vote by mail information included misinformation which is why experts like andre banks have created virtual war rooms across the country aimed at flagging and fighting false messages before they spread. >> these are systemic attempts, strategies, to reduce people's political power.
they have a real impact. >> reporter: many black and latino voters in swing states like florida say bad information is dangerous to democracy. >> how they vote could determine which way the election sways. >> do you feel like your communities are being targeted more or less by misinformation? >> more. because it was effective. >> in 2016? >> yes. >> now it's coming from the government directly. >> reporter: we put them to the test, using social media posts we found online. >> so you all have cards here and i need you to tell me whether you believe these memes are real or false. vote by mail boosts black turnout? real or fake. >> real, real, real, fake. the answer is real. voter turnout has been higher this year according to preliminary data. this is a tweet. doing my part and voting early. dmv for convenient locations to drop your ballot off? real, real, real, fake.
that black ballot box is not a real ballot box. this is a tweet it says by caleb blacks for trump. leaving the democratic party has been on my mind. is there room on the trump train? >> that gentleman is a singer and his image has been reposted to use. >> by a russian bot. >> a bot. >> have you seen things like this in your social media feeds? >> yes, i'm their prime target. i'm an afro latino, so they send me both. >> it's laughable if it weren't scary. >> we can overcome this. we need to call it what it is when we see it. >> an online battle with real world consequences. >> reporter: hallie, something that i found most striking from that interview is something that makita said, the jamaican american sitting in the center. she said, morgan, disinformation starts from the top.
she effectively said that she felt like president trump and his allies, his cabinet members have spread such falsehoods from the white house, from the oval office, that she says it's not really surprising that people can't suss out real information from their peers when they're in this arena when they're hearing such a volume of falsehoods every day. that's something we heard from other voters, voters who effectively felt like we're living in this space where we can't trust government agencies, whether that's on reporting numbers or deaths about the pandemic. people are saying it's not surprising that peers are falling for misinformation when they're hearing government agencies and disinformation from other organizations, hallie. >> morgan radford, super valuable reporting. thank you so much for bringing it to us this morning. thank you. thanks to the rest of you for watching this hour of "msnbc live." we have a lot more today including up next, craig melvin talking with nba star c.j. mccollum about his interview
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