tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC December 28, 2020 3:00pm-4:01pm PST
thank you for spending this hour with us. as always, we are grateful. "the beat" starts right now. hi, ari. >> hi, jonathan. thank you so much. welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber. we begin tonight with this erratic and unpredictable lame duck president wreaking havoc in what are the fining days. donald trump did fold and cave and signed the exact covid relief bill that had been sitting here for days. this is the same bill that extends unemployment benefits and provides $600 in direct payments and aid to individuals and with foreign aid. these are things donald trump had singled out and said that because there was that potential foreign money or other details, those were his, he said, sticking points. so it's important to know tonight as we go on the air they're in the exact same bill he just signed into law. in the end, the fact is that donald trump's antics brought him nothing. it's a self-made crisis that has such real-life impact.
14 million people may miss very vital aid, the unemployment checks that would have been on their way if not for trump's delay. as you can see, speaker pelosi has called a vote on the extended expanded payments. we'll let you know what happens. meerbl, as people were facing real-life problems here, donald trump spent the time that he was delaying this very bill by golfing in florida. vice president pence on vacation in vale. the backlash to all of that has been bipartisan. >> i understand he wants to be remembered for advocating for big checks, but the danger is he'll be remembered for chaos and misery and erratic behavior. >> what the president is doing right now is unbelievably cruel. >> to play thissole switch a roogame which is like i don't get the point, unless it's just to create chaos and show power and be upset because he lost the
election. >> chaos and punishing regular innocent americans for losing the election. that was a republican saying that. here's a conservative outlet, i'm sure you know it, the tab loit new york post, which has been so supportive of trump for so long, says mr. president, stop the insanity, and suggesting after losing the election, he gives it up to save his legacy. let's get right into it. i'm joined by "washington post" reporter libby casey and rutgers university professor britney cooper. good to see you both, and happy holidays. >> happy holidays. >> you, too. >> libby, here we are. and there is a type of breakthrough, as covered, but at what cost, i ask you? >> the only person who seems to think this is a victory for president trump is lindsey graham, who is saying president trump eked out some concessions, but he didn't. he didn't get anything. all he did was hold this up, and you're right, this jeopardized the payments for 14 million
americans who are hurting so much right now in the worst way. dealing with unemployment, and now the federal government during a holiday week is having to try to scramble and get checks cut. and so president trump got nothing. all he did was hurt the american people who are depending on aid. what he also does is put republicans in a tough spot right now because as you mentioned, the house voting tonight on this $2,000 aid, increasing the payments from $600 to $2,000. president trump had said that this $600 was not adequate. he called it ridiculously low. nancy pelosi said great, let's have that vote. let's bring it to congress. and let's see how congress weighs in on this. now, house democrats -- >> let me bring your point to the house floor, in fact, i think we have live pictures we were just monitoring this moments ago. if we look at the house floor, we have them going forward, and you can see the vote totals here, libby.
your view on what it means for folks catching up here between the holidays, what is speaker pelosi doing here, what does this vote do as we track it? >> so, the house has passed it. so they had to get a two third majority here. they have eked that through. so that is now through the house. the question is, what the senate will do. this puts senate republicans in a tough spot because they now have to go on the record, either saying they support this $2,000 check or they don't support the $2,000 check. if you're, for example, two republicans running for senate in georgia with a vote in just a handful of days, you're going to have to go on the record about this. it makes me think, ari, with friends like these, who needs enemies, because president trump is putting republicans in a very tough position. >> yeah, and that goes, what libby is saying goes to where the politics meets the reality. the reality is all of the pressure people are facing, what has been such a tough year and holiday time for so many, and again, this breaking news coming here right here at the top of the show. we came on the air, we were
monitoring the floor. now, as libby mentioned, jow the house passing this. it is not like the rest of the bill where it's gone through both chambers yet, but the house is a major step. and britney, the politics are donald trump continuing to be willing to blow things up to the point that the "new york post" these other republicans as well as even stronger voices in private saying, wow, he's really not about anything other than chaos. >> look, we know this. this is a person who lacks empathy, and who i think unfortunately takes real pleasure in making folks, you know, live on the edge of, you know, chaos, of worry, of despair. he is upset with the american public because he's been defeated, and so because of that, he has decided he has no responsibilities of leadership. but let me say i'm actually more incensed with the gop. it's very rich of them to come out now at this late hour and pretend to be upset with the president that they elected, that they backed, that they
allowed to create this kind of chaos for our country over the last four years. and so they have created the monster that is donald trump. and now, what is happening is we as a country have to figure out how to last through these last 23 days. the other thing about him creating chaos is he stays on our minds, which is the thing he wants. he'll take any kind of attention, so negative attention is perfectly fine with this man, because he wants folks -- he wants to impose maximum chaos, despair, and destruction before he leaves office, and the gop really has to have a soul reckoning about why that kind of leadership or lack of leadership was so attractive to them for the last four years. and they -- so i don't care that they're in front of the american public and they're in a tough position. they have put the american people in a tough position for the last four years by allowing this man to get in office, refusing to stand up to him, and refusing to take care of the american people throughout this pandemic. and so whatever may befall them befalls them, but what we have
got to do is give folk s immediate relief, and i hope that happens. >> you say the republican party is responsible for creating, as you put it, this, quote, monster in donald trump. i have known you enough and worked with you enough to know that you mean this in the literal negative sense of monster, not in the nicki minaj positive sense of monster. >> nicki minaj kills her verse on monster. donald trump has no bars. and all that i hope for him is that he lands behind bars. nicki has bars. trump doesn't. >> britney came ready to play. i don't know what's in the eggnog, but you're all here, from no bars to behind bars. and the legal point is valid because whatever federal immunity the doj has recognized for presidents, that ends on january 20th. now, we don't know what's going to happen, but that certainly ends. the other point in the "new york post" editorial i wanted to read to you is everyone understands
and we have more on this later in the program, that the election is over. the results are certified. there's no way to end or reverse that. but there is a concern that even going forward with this scam has other damages. so again, the "new york post" is not the first to criticize donald trump, but they say here, mr. president, it's time to end this dark charade. you're cheering for an undemocratic coup. libby. >> the "new york post" is giving him advice. this is his hometown paper. it's also owned by rupert murdoch. the "wall street journal" was nudging president trump along to reality. now we see the post doing it, will fox news get to that point? we're all still watching because we know how motivated president trump is by fox news, how that's a bit of an echo chamber, but also all of the people who watch fox news and consume this news. we're seeing polls come out that have a shocking number of republicans in this country believing that something was wrong with this election, that something was rigged. believing these falsehoods.
now you can see "the new york post" saying look, your legacy is secure. that's what they have said a couple times now to him. stop what you're doing. and they're really warning him that listening to someone like michael flynn, who has called to impose martial law, would be tantamount to treason. and you know, those words, you're cheering for an undemocratic coup, coming from the new york post, has to ring among president trump's, you know, sort of staunchest supporters there in his inner circle, but are the people playing golf with president trump today talking about this with him? you know, is this saturating president trump's mind? and you know, it's been interesting to see what the bar is for republicans. when will they admit defeat for the presidency? what will it take to get to that point? so now, the "new york post" hathas reached it. president trump is looking to this event next week, this usually pro forma event when congress certified the electoral
results as the next linchpin, and he's telling americans on twitter to watch for that to be a big day. and so there's a real question of whether we actually get to that date, if it will make a difference. >> yeah, what's striking as well is the election was not close enough for these kind of tricks to get anywhere. donald trump was also very late to this. whether that's because his heart wasn't fully in it and it's only a scam and a fund-raising mechanism or if it's because he's just disorganized, a closer election and someone willing to plan this way earlier, you might have had a much bigger constitutional crisis, which i think people need to keep in mind as they make up their own minds about what we want to do coming out of this era. appreciate both of you kicking off the coverage tonight. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. >> thank you both. >> when we return in just 30 seconds, we get into this year of reckoning on justice, a special report on how our culture and music have gotten us through tough times. that's in tonight's program. also, trump insiders
speaking out, a former aide saying the white house has turned into a total, quote, crazy town. but first, michael cohen, live. back on "the beat" on trump's pardons in 30 seconds. [lea] i'm a retired art teacher. [steve] we met online about 10 years ago. as i got older, my hearing was not so good so i got hearing aids. my vision was not as good as it used to be, got a change in prescription. but the this missing was my memory. i saw a prevagen commercial and i thought, "that makes sense." i just didn't have to work so hard to remember things. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. we're joined now by donald trump's former attorney, michael cohen, author of the book "disloyal" the host of the
podcast, mea culpa. he's asking for early release from his home confinement, making some waves with a new clash with the justice department that he has been across purposes with under bill barr over the last several years. thanks for joining me, michael. >> good to see you again. welcome back, ari. >> glad to be back. let's start with that news in your situation and case. tell us what you're asking for and whether you think you can get a fair shake at a time when people who have been less critical of the president than you have found themselves bestowed with all kinds of pardon gifts. >> right, so first of all, what i had filed on this past wednesday were two writs. one is a writ of habeas corpus and the other is a writ of mandamus. what i'm asking for is in the habeas corpus, which deals directly with me, is that pursuant to the first setback, which is really the only bipartisan thing donald trump accomplished, by signing on the executive order, which again,
was bipartisan, they have done absolutely nothing on. and there's earned time credit. now, i did the mandamus because i made a promise to guys back at otisville and others like my buddies tony meatballs and big minty i wasn't going to stop once i got out, once i was put on home confinement. the writ of mandamus will affect 153,000 eligible federal inmates who will be able to receive their earned time credit based upon programming credit as well as work credits so they, too, can be released to either home confinement or supervised release. >> i'm going to slow you down because we got statutory codes, we have the first step, we have tony meatballs. a lot to track. but what you're saying, sir, is that you have advocacy that's not only for yourself but also is for other people who are incarcerated? >> that's correct. that's on the mandamus. >> and so this is you in a way
calling out something that many have observed and you have lived it personally, michael, of course, which is that donald trump has tried to at times invoke or exploit the justice system for his own political benefit. there was a lot of talk about clemency, for example, at the republican convention. you seem to be suggesting in part of your filing here that they're not doing everything they can to live up to that, that that was more window dressing. >> how about that they have done absolutely nothing so far? it was -- remember that president trump signed the executive order in 2018. two years have gone by, and they still can't produce a resitivism guide in order to make the determination how many hours equals how many days. it's despicable and another piece of paper that donald trump signed very much like the kind he used to throw on my desk when he had something that he did but he didn't really want to do anything with it. other than take credit that he is a prison reform guy and has
done more for prison reform than any president since abraham lincoln. >> let's get into the pardons, michael. if someone were watching this period we have lived through, four years ago, if there was a pardon to be given out from donald trump to a close aide, whether they did anything or not, i think we would all agree at one point in time, you would have been one of those people he would have been musing about pardoning because you and him did have a close relationship, professionally, for a long time. we all lived through how that's changed, but take a look at other folks who like you were senior aides to the president in one capacity or another who have gotten pardons. flynn, manafort, stone, pop papadopoul papadopoulos. when you look at all that, what do you think of these pardons thus far? >> i think it's like make it rain, right? that's all he's doing. he's taking political favors and
money. by people, for the sole purpose of giving them pardons. he has usurped the fact there are people who should be receiving pardons. do i think any of these people should be receiving pardons? absolutely not. i think that trump has just taken over the entire country. he wants to run it the same way that he ran the trump organization. as if he owns the company. as if he owns the united states of america. i mean, there are people who worked in that pardon office all year long putting together documents, speaking to prosecutors, making sure that the person who receives the pardon is actually entitled to a pardon. otherwise, basically what you're doing is you're giving the president the ability, you know, like his old trump monopoly game, a get out of free jail card simply because you're a friend. you're right, i would have received one had i agreed not to come out, not to speak truth to power. >> do you believe that this list
we have looked at is about where this ends or do you think donald trump has more pardon surprises before he leaves office? >> oh, i think there's more pardon surprises. what i call this in the book "disloyal" and on mea culpa is this is trump fatigue. he's wearing the entire country down so that each and every time that the media keeps talking about this 20 people, this 20 people, another 8 people, another 10 people, all of a sudden by the end, we're all going to be like, please, enough. please just go away. there's 23 more days. so that's when he'll probably try to drop the pardon power for jared, for don, ivanka, isselbe thinks will get a federal indictment. but again, something i talked about on your show, ari, this produces a very significant problem for donald trump in the fact that once you receive that pardon power, once you get that pardon, you're no longer able to
invoke the fifth amendment, your right against self incrimination because you cannot be charged. so all of these people may ultimately be his downfall, simply because they'll be testifying against him, either for a court or a tribunal. >> yeah, as you say, that's a legal paradox that lawyers like yourself sometimes warn clients about what's around the corner, depending on what happens. of course, you're not there warning him perjusonally about this anymore. >> i wish i was. i wish i was there, because here's what i would be telling him right now. why don't you knock off the nonsense with the pardons? why don't you turn around and think about all of the americans each and every day who are dying. we're having a 9/11 event every day based upon this coronavirus. why don't you instead, the way that he came out acting like a fool, why don't you invoke, for example, the production defense act, and why don't you, since we have some of these inoculations,
these vaccines that have an 85%, 90%, 95% efficacy rate, why don't we just invoke the production defense act and make sure all manufacturers are manufacturing it so we're not at 2 million dosages. we would be at the dr. anthony fauci expert 20 million doses. i mean, i don't understand why we're waiting for companies to come up with their own. if we have a company that produced an efficacy rate of 90%, as far as i'm concerned, mandate that everybody manufacture it. that's what they should be doing. >> that's some of the straight talk from what we could tell he's not getting. he's getting less of it from the people still around him. michael cohen, on more than one topic tonight. very interesting stuff. thank you, sir. >> always good to see you, ari. >> good to see you too. >> i want to tell regular viewers of "the beat" about something special we have been working on. i was off last week. i'm thrilled to be back with you. we want to take you through a year that has been quite a year from the coronavirus to the
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turnout, even though we know what we have been living through, it's striking when you just take it all together. >> tonight, the cdc is confirming the first case in the u.s. of a new and deadly coronavirus. >> hospitals are swelling with a record number of coronavirus patients. and americans are dying at the highest rate since the spring. >> unarmed black man died after being arrested and pinned to the ground by an officer. >> the ninth straight day of protests ignited by the death of george floyd. >> it's happening in all 50 states. it's happening in hundreds of cities. >> the very first vote in the 2020 presidential race being cast tonight. >> former vice president joe biden has been elected president of the united states. >> there are many ways we mark all these events. journalists write the first draft of history as it unfolds. newspapers documenting these landmark events from blm protests to the ousting of president trump. and our user generated and
creative internet has plenty of different takes. some of them funny like how it started versus how it's going. that's a trend where people take opposing images to depict their life, like this meme from celebrity chef guy fieri of him laughing and then his kitsching literally up in flames how it's going. some use the trend to post inspirational photos of how they have come. take future first lady jill biden, posting a photo of a young joe biden and them now on the trail, victorious. people also used the reese witherspoon trend to depict the trying nature of this year. she posted a smiling picture of herself in january, and she becomes reese from "wild" looking like she's struggling to stay afloat, something many of us can relate to over all of these months. even as we have new technology and new ways to mark or process what's going on, many people do return to the long running and analog human instincts for story telling and culture to
understand what's been going on. there's a place for news. we think that. there's even a place for twitter. but i gotta tell you, it's no accident kwh times get hardest, many turn to artists, past generations face turmoil, chaos, and remarkable pain through the art and culture of their times. we have art from the civil rights movement, we have art that reckoned with the existential stress during world war ii, and we have music which we used to gather our experiences, the soundtrack of our very lives and struggles. and many songs do keep playing because they continue to echo in our lives. like neil young confronting american racism in southern man, which famously drew the outrage rebuttal from lynyrd skynyrd, they said the south was not as racist as suggested with sweet home alabama. that debate there is painfully relevant right now. just as neil young's keep on rocking in the free world grew famously out of the fall of the soviet union, but took on republican policies in the u.s.
as well. that may resonate in a year where donald trump ended the year mimicking so many authoritarian election plots more familiar to foreign strong men. now, what art and music may be emerging from this tough year we just lived through? well, many people have already begun to wonder what will grow out of our collective adversity. >> i think some of the best work that we have ever had, that we're capable of, will come from this darkness. >> when it's personal, because that's really art. >> a lot of artists are working from a place of pain. and from, you know, sometimes great pain comes great art. >> true. when that brings us to something potentially uplifting right now. this year in music, there are many places we can start, from artists who came of age in this era, scoring their first hits, to some of those more seasoned rebels i just mentioned. let's start with one of them. singer neil young continuing his political bent by taking on donald trump directly with looking for a leader this year
in august. ♪ america has a leader building walls around our house ♪ ♪ don't all black lives matter and we got to vote him out ♪ >> young continues america's beautiful but she has an ugly side. just like his big new fence, the president's going down. america's moving forward. you can feel it in every town. that could have been wishful thinking, but young, of course, has been proven right. america did move past trump. he did go down. after more artists than usual weighed in on this race. fleetwood mac's stevie nicks urging people to remember what we're fighting for in a new song, peace can come if you try harder, she said, don't forget it. while public enemy was more explicit, writing trump is a dictator, rapping vote this joke out or die trying. other artists looked at this year and weighed in on the
pandemic. bon jovi singing tonight they're shutting down the boards, they're boarding up the schools. one last paycheck coming through. mixing in some public health messaging, adding moms and babies blowing kisses. maybe saving someone's life. u2 u2's bono saying i can't reach but i can ring. suggesting emotion can make up for a lack of being together. ♪ when you sing there is no distance ♪ ♪ so let your love be known >> when the lockdowns first began, of course, the clear priority for just about everyone was recognizing covid posed a danger to people's lives. that was the public safety priority, but everything then changed. and a warning, what you're about to see is disturbing. >> i can't breathe.
please. i can't breathe. >> get in the car, man. >> i will. >> get up, get in the car. >> i can't move. >> that graphic killing on tape of george floyd reignited the protests reminding so many americans for unarmed black citizens that's everyday life. that was the public safety danger. and it did not abate at all even during a pandemic. people taking to the streets and artists began narrating this practically in real time. take anderson pak who elaborated on this, singing we thought it was a lockdown. they opened up fire. dubbing it all a god damn lie, he continues sicker than the covid how they did him on the ground. paak continuing the political debate we have heard from marches to newsrooms. this double standard about peaceful protests and the same song he mocks the talk of civil unrest when people sleep so sound. like you don't hear the screams
when we catching beat downs, staying quiet when they killing, but you speak loud. in just a few lines. that 2020 song pierces a lot of the double talk around police brutality and peaceful protests. other artists weighing in with just the direct pain. t. grizzly addressing the police plaintiffly, what if that was my brother. what if that was my dad. and then there's the famous but tragic refrain, i can't breathe, that was memorably spoken by eric garner before police strangled him to death in 2014. it was, of course, spoking by floyd this year. words matter, and some artists quoting those sad and simply dying words, of course, as more powerful than any lyric they might write. her titled her song from june of this year, i can't breathe. it's now up for a grammy for song of the year.
♪ if we all agreed that we're equal as people then why can't we see what is evil ♪ ♪ i can't breathe ♪ you're taking my life from me ♪ ♪ i can't breathe ♪ will anyone fight for me >> i can't breathe. a human cry for help, for basic survival. and a reality lived throughout america in 2020, like so many other years, echoing an art that demands we actually take action so that's not the reality anymore. just as other art this year strove to take the reality of donald trump's words and deeds to spur action, consider how the rapper meek mill flipped one of donald trump's infamous appeals to black voters. this was back in 2016. >> what do you have to lose? you're living in poverty. your schools are no good.
you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> a big question, and that became the opening to a 2020 song using donald trump's words against him while championing an alternative to trumpism and police violence. >> you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? ♪ i see my mom and dad separate and talking divorce ♪ ♪ daddy was living by the fire and he die by the torch ♪ ♪ i need a lawyer money for commissary ♪ >> an especially powerful and personal rebuttal to trump from someone who lived some of these inequities. he recounted this in songs and
as well on "the beat." he faced racial discrimination in court and a harsh prison sentence that was for, get this, riding a motor bike. he's been using his platform to push reform as well as take on politicians like trump. >> meanwhile, this year, another anthem that first dropped in '16, opposing trump's campaign, got a whole new life this year. f donald trump went higher on the billboard charts around donald trump's 2020 loss than it ever had previously. life imitating art as people were playing it, you just heard there, in celebration. and that song's lyrics also anticipated in a way the diverse coalition that would stop trump. the artist yg and the late nipsey hussle invoked the late tupac shakur to proclaim, it wouldn't be the u.s. without mexicans. if it's time to team up, let's begin. black love and brown pride in the set again. and the artists conclude, quote, white people feel the same as my
next of kin. you know, those who weren't listening closely might have missed the unity in what was also an aggressive anthem. those rappers torching donald trump while embrace diversity, quote black, brown, and white. other artists were making new music in 2020 with an eye on the future, the band one republic uncorking a hopeful ballad, better days about overcoming the pandemic. they even crowdsource what you're seeing on the screen, homemade videos from real people around the world. they also donated the song's proceeds to covid relief for good measure, and having walked through just some of the art that helps us understand what we have been living through this year, when it comes to all of this as well as the hope for a better year to come, well, tonight, we give the artists the last word. ♪ oh i know that there will be better days ♪ ♪ oh, that sunshine about to come my way ♪ ♪ may we never ever shed another
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this is a scam, though. i mean, you know, to explain to people that somehow congress can overthrow the certified results of every state that we can change an election outcome when there was not a single court case that had any legs, there is no impetus to overthrow an election even if you want to, and there's no ability to overthrow an election even if you want to. they're raising money on this scam. it is a scam. >> republican lawmaker warning maga fans that donald trump is trying to scam them. i'm joined by luj eed jelani co. happy holidays, thanks for being here, and your thoughts on that warning. >> good to see you, ari. well, you know, it's interesting because for a really long time,
donald trump in lots of different context contexts, donp has been able to avoy the laws of gravity, first starting in 2016 with some of the things he was able to get away with that trudin trudegzally would have doomed a presidential candidate. even now, losing an election. you know typically, the losing candidate is dropped like a hot rock, and he's maintained this appeal, this strength really, negotiating from a position of strength with the republican party. and you're starting to see what might be the beginning of the kind of traditional rules of politics taking effect. that the idea that being so closely attached to a person who lost in the electoral college might actually have consequences. for that matter, this is not something you are likely to see very much of prior to the election. and still, obviously, you don't see nearly as much of this as there should be.
whatever the number of republicans who were in the house who actually supported this idea that the election had been stolen or that trump was somehow supposed to be inaugurated on january 20th. >> i'm curious what you think, gilani, because when we have these conversations, there's the insider view, which can be very beltway. here's the horse trading, here's what's in the bill, here's what the claimed policy position, something that you, i think, have educated a lot of our viewers on over the years that's very apt for trumpism, but applies big picture as well. is how often the biggest thing is not what is being directly said or claimed. but what's the wider structural work going on. and we have talked about that in the context of american racism and voter suppression. here, i think there's another thing going on, which is republicans finding ways, some of them, to acknowledge the grift and scamming, a word that the congressman used repeatedly, is a core feature of trumpism,
which is different than any discussion about ideology. >> sure. and it's also true. i mean, it is inarguably true. these are the things we have seen. these are not allegations or suspicions. we have seen just the number of people who were using his hotels as a means of currying favor with the administration, there are all kinds of blatant corruption that would typically have been considered risque, you know, for american mainstream american politics. and if they're going to be any kind of serious discussions about where the republican party goes from here, they're going to have to confront that legacy. now, that's not as simple as it seems because, you know, just as trump has now made an enemy of fox news and assails them and people are wondering whether he'll be disruptive to their base, the republicans have to wonder about that, too. what happens now when you have
donald trump no longer in office, just throwing grenades around with not discriminating about the target of whether they're republican or democrat. >> jelani cobb, all interesting points here during a busy holiday week. thank you for being here. my holiday wishes to you. we're going to fit in a break. when we come back, i have a pop quiz. who holds the record for the most tony nominations ever. jeremy o. harris, new, next.
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this new covid relife bill does offer americans some assistance after president trump delayed the relief for millions of americans for really no reason. this kind of funding is of course just focused on tagging the financial emergency so people can make ends meet. there are still much broader challenges for the types of industries that have been shut down by the pandemic and ensuing recession. that ranges from things like hospitality to concerts, to theater, broadway and local theaters have been closed completely since the virus hit in march, which impacts actors and artists as well as thousands of theater workers, builders, stage hands, people in labor. and that has some calling now for something really interesting i want to get to, an fdr style program to get laborers back on the job. its advocated including jeremy o. harris who broke the record for the most tony nominations
ever this year. he's calling on joe biden and kamala harris to carry out fdr's progressive legacy. here's a clip airing for the first time now. >> i have just been beating the doors down on anyone i can to like write to their senators, tweet at their senators, tweet at kamala and joe to get a meeting to talk about the beauty and gift that was the new deal's federal liter project. all these conversations with the green new deal, there's been a lot of uplifting what fdr did, but very little uplifting of what he did for the arts and culture section after the great depression, which was saying that like america's soul was in our arts, right? and saying that arts laborers, people who work in the arts, were specifically and horrifically sidelined during the great depression, and that we needed to gift that community
some actual bit of lifeline during that time. and that's what he did. so he created this federal theater project that put theater makers around the country back to work again. over 10,000 professionals who were working in theater part of this. and it funded some of the most complex theater anyone has seen in america. there was a living newspaper. that took newspaper clippings from the day and made theater about those in different cities around the country on the day it happened. some of the first black theater companies in america were made with funds from the federal theater project. and that freedom of financing and funds gave way to so much radicality. that 100% shifted the way the rest of the western world saw our work as theater artists and also changed the way and the
direction of the american work that was happening. it's going to at best be 18 months of no work for american theater laborers. 18 months. no other literally no other community of lay brers is going to say as long of a pause on knowing when you'll pay rent. how you'll get the next meal for your kids. than theater laborers. film has been able to figure out a way to go back. they have better lobbyists. i'm one of the most high profile lobbyist of the theater world. i'm coming to anyone who will hear me and say we need the federal theater project. >> really important issue to a lot of lives. his broad way debut is called slave play. it tackles race and sexuality. it made this 31 year-old artist an influential voice in culture
and politics. pushing student debt relief. calling out republicans who he thinks are full of empty rhetoric about hard work. >> i wrote a letter that taking the idea of the aoc had that once we got biden and harris in we can lobby whatever we want. i wrote a letter lobbying for thing that is are important. a complete debt forgiveness. i don't say this to the republicans who might watch, you should have worked hard for it. i got hard and i don't have debt. i have friends who do. i want reparations now. that's very important. for our country to move past this horrible schism that happened and the horrible scar in our psych. we have to rectify the brunt of
national -- childhood slooif av. and universal healthcare. i was hit and run by a car and had sto take an ambulance to the hospital in l.a. i got a $25,000 ambulance fee. that i couldn't afford to pay until after i had play on broad way. >> was of the ambulance a maseratity? >> it must have been. or it tesla. i don't know. >> we didn't just talk healthcare and politics here. this interview is part of the ongoing maverick series we have deep conversations with artists. he broke down his inspiration. why he's so eager to take professional risks. at a young age. how live theater can still work. and race and drake and ri anna. and success can breed
resentment. >> there are reasons people decide they hate me. 12 tonys is enough. broad way should be a place that inspires you to have conversations were weeks and days after wards. we have to love our neighbor. our neighbor has a history or could have had a history of wanting us dead. what does that mean? deeply tangible ability the way black people are able to experience race in the south. what is like the weight of the history and identity. >> how much is about your choice to lean in and really be an avenue tar of theater. >> this is what we want it to look like. we don't want it to be easy. it's a community base project. uplifting a community with story telling. making isn't what you put in the world it's what you bring in. i nerd out about things like streetcar named desire. and alice plays. i love drake. i sometimes have questions.
>> he sometimes has questions. don't we all. this new interview is out now. i was showing you excerpts. you can see the entire thing on msnbc.com/mavericks. and other installments. i have to tell you we really do love the cultural conversations they can reference politics and our lives and everything wooe going through. i have one other thing i want to tell you about. follow me on instagram. another great cultural leader artist. eric sermon. you see it there. we'll be going live on instagram in an hour. you can weigh in with questions and ideas of anything you want me to know. eric sermon and me tonight.
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