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against using the apps altogether but suggests doing research before you download. >> that was nbc's liz mclaughlin reporting. it is the top of the hour. very good to be with you for this special report on the derek chauvin murder trial. it sparked months of protests and international reckoning on racial justice. minneapolis police officer derek chauvin seen with his knee on george floyd's neck for roughly nine minutes. now chauvin faces justice in court, charged with murder and manslaughter. juries almost never convict police officers. will this time be different? >> this case, to us, is a slam dunk because we know the video is the proof. >> let's look back on the trial's dramatic first week. >> derek chauvin did exactly what he had been trained to do. >> mr. chauvin was anything other than innocent on may 25th of 2020. >> angry? >> you can't say i was angry.
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>> do you need a minute? >> what did we learn? how is each side making their cases? and what will next week bring? from nbc news world headquarters in washington, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." the prosecution set out to prove that derek chauvin's decision to restrain george floyd as he did was a substantial call of his death. the defense argued what we've seen in the infamous video might not tell the whole story. >> this case is not about split second decision making. in 9:29, they are 497 seconds, not a split second among them. >> if you can believe your eyes that it's a homicide, it's murder, you can believe your eyes. >> common sense tells you there
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are always two sides to a story. there is no political or social cause in this courtroom. but the evidence is far greater than 9:29. >> that video evidence is playing a major role in the prosecution, as is some footage we had not seen yet. during monday's opening statement, prosecutor jerry black well played the video we have seen in its entirety, including george floyd being pinned and carried away. mr. blackwell argued the video is clear proof of force. this was the video that prompted 911 dispatcher gina lee scurry to report the incident to a police sergeant. ms. scurry testified as to what she saw. >> what did you think about this when you looked back and saw that it hadn't changed? >> i first asked if the screens
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had frozen. >> why did you ask that? >> because it hadn't changed. >> okay. and did you find that it had frozen? >> no. i was told that it was not frozen. >> did you see the screen change yourself? >> yes, i saw the persons moving. >> so, what did you start thinking at that point? >> something might be wrong. >> wednesday brought more new video, this time from inside the store called cup foods. mr. floyd allegedly used a fake $20 bill there, prompting the manager to call the cops. cashier christopher martin recounted the interaction. >> could you describe for the jurors what his demeanor was like, what was his condition like? >> so, when i asked him if he played baseball, he went on to respond to that. but it kind of took him a little long to get to what he was trying to say. so, it would appear that he was high. >> so, you just had some signs that you thought he was under the influence of something? >> yes.
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>> all right. but were you able to carry on at least some conversation with him? >> yes. >> after the police arrived, surveillance video showed mr. martin looking distraught as emts tended to mr. floyd. he described this moment on the stand. >> you were standing there with your hands on your head for a while, correct? >> correct. >> what was going through your mind during that time period? >> disbelief and guilt. >> why guilt? >> if i would have just not tooken the bill, this could have been avoided. >> survivor's guilt was a common theme in the bystander testimony. some witnesses said they wondered what more they could have done that day. >> do you need a minute? can you just explain sort of what you're feeling in this
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moment? >> i can't help but feel helpless. >> would you tell the ladies and gentlemen how your viewing/experiencing what happened to george floyd has affected your life? >> when i look at george floyd, i look at -- i look at my dad. i look at my brothers. i look at my cousins, my uncles because they are all black. i have black -- i have a black father. i have a black brother. i have black friends. and i -- i look at that and i look at how that could have been one of them. it's been nights i stayed up apologizing and -- and apologizing to george floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting and not
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saving his life. but it's like, it's not what i should have done. it's what he should have done. >> one notable moment came from courteney ross, george floyd's girlfriend. she testified about the opioid addiction they both struggled with. >> our story, it's a classic story of how many people get addicted to opioids. he both suffered from chronic pain. mine was in my neck, and his was in his back. we both have prescriptions. we got addicted and tried really hard to break that addiction many times. >> as the week went on, the prosecution pivoted to law enforcement officials. attorneys asked about the force
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former officer chauvin applied, honing in on their key argument. >> what is your -- you know, your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> so, in your opinion, should that restraint have stopped once he was handcuffed and prone on the ground? >> absolutely. >> sir, based on your review of the body worn camera footage, do you have an opinion as to when the restraint of mr. floyd should have ended in this encounter? >> yes. >> when is it? >> when mr. floyd was no longer offering up any resistance to the officers, they could have ended their restraint. >> that was after he was handcuffed and on the ground and no longer resisting. >> correct. >> there is so much for us to break down from this week's testimony. let's begin with the opening statements. joining us now are msnbc legal
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analysts. good to have the three of you with us for this program. cynthia, let me start with you and your thoughts on part of the prosecution's opening statements. listen. >> you will learn what happened in that 9 minutes and 29 seconds, the most important numbers you will hear in this trial are 9-2-9. what happened in those 9 minutes and 29 seconds when mr. derek chauvin was applying this excessive force to the body of mr. george floyd. you will see that he does not let up and that he does not get up even when mr. floyd does not even have a pulse. we're going to prove to you that mr. chauvin's conduct was a substantial cause of mr. floyd's death. >> so, cynthia, they're leaning into the video and the circumstances around it, basically trying to get jurors to lean into what they've
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already seen and use their common sense to interpret that. what's your sense of that strategy, how effective it might be? >> i think it's very effective. one thing that's different about this case compared to most police cases, certainly the ones i've tried, is generally it is a split-second decision. generally when you first -- when you see that there's a struggle and the cop is making a split-second decision and -- that isn't true in this case. and i think they highlight it, and that's very important. because no matter where you are on the continuum of how much force a police officer should be allowed to use, when you get to the point where he is limp and handcuffed, he has begged for his life and he's not moving and he has no pulse, there is no split-second decision to be made. and that's why this case is so different from others, and they leaned into that very effectively. >> danny,let listen to a part of the defense's opening
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statements. watch. >> you will learn that derek chauvin did exactly what he had been trained to do over the course of his 19-year career. the use of force is not attractive, but it is a necessary component of policing. and this will ultimately be another significant battle in this trial. what was mr. floyd's actual cause of death? the evidence will show that mr. floyd died of a cardiac e arrhythmia that occurred as a result of hypertension, coronary disease, ingestion of fentanyl and the adrenaline flowing through his body. there is no evidence that mr. floyd's airflow was restricted. >> what do you think about what the defense's approach might be? >> the defense's approach comes down to two major theme. theme number one is causation. the defense is going to argue that derek chauvin did not cause
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the death of george floyd. it was fentanyl. it was methamphetamines combined with george floyd's poor health. that is a defense to every charge. that is the hail mary for the defense. if they can prove that something else completely caused george floyd's death, then they are home free. but the prosecution knows that in minnesota as long as they can show that the knee in the neck was a substantial factor, that's enough. it doesn't have to be the sole cause of death as long as it contributed heavily. now, the second prong is that this knee in the back of the neck was not a felony. it was not imminently dangerous because it's taught by the police. it was in the manual. but what you saw in that opening preview that the prosecution knew was coming, the prosecution has already started chipping away at that with their testimony, including that on friday of officers -- and we're going to see more -- officers -- brother officers -- of derek chauvin getting up on the stand
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taking an oath saying, yeah, we're allowed to use force, but not that force. >> just to be clear, danny, in terms of the argument about force, i've heard a number of people say what officer chauvin did was terrible and brutal. in term of what the defense's strategy is, they don't have to argue that the police department's policy was good for lack of another word. they just have to argue, i think, that what officer chauvin did was within the bounds of the policy for that part of their argument to work. is that it? >> exactly. and look for the defense to concede that. the defense essentially said as much in their opening statement. it doesn't mean force -- force is ugly. force is not a nice thing. it's unpleasant. maybe we need to have a conversation about how we deal with force in the police in the future. but the defense will stress at the time the knee was in the back of the neck. this was not only permissible, it was taught to the police. so, you're exactly right. the defense doesn't have to prove that putting knees in the
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back of the neck is a great idea or it's a moral thing to do. they just have to prove that what derek chauvin did was sanctioned enough that it was not a felony and it was not imminently dangerous because police use it and they teach it all the time. but we see that window closing with every officer that gets up on the stand and says we use force. we don't use that force. >> well, and potentially with the arguments about the difficulty of watching what happened, including john, with some of the witnesses who came up, i would like to ask you about that. in that capacity, your capacity as a civil rights attorney having represented rodney king, just in terms of the way that what happened was perceived by the witnesses, including donald williams, who is a mixed martial artist who testified on tuesday. here's part of what he said. >> at some point did you make a 911 call? >> that is correct. i did call the police on the police. >> all right. and why did you do that?
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>> because i believe i witnessed a murder. >> you were angry. >> no. you can't pin me i was angry. i wasn't. i was in a position where i had to be controlled, controlled professionalism. i wasn't angry. >> object as non-responsive. >> shawn, what does that tell you about how the defense might cross examine some of the prosecution's other witnesses. >> well, what's important from the prosecution's point of view is we know we have lay witnesses, people who are not sophisticated, per se, about testifying. but to the extent they can cooperate what the evidence is and to the extent they corroborate the video, that's extraordinary important. the defense ultimately is trying to argue there was a crowd control issue and as a consequence of their attitudes, they were angry, this, that, the other. therefore they made the job of the police officer more difficult. that is a defense they're trying to argue. but i don't think -- but that contradicts the video. the video doesn't really show
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that. so, what you have in a case like this is you'll have lay testimony. you'll have professional testimony. but at the end of the day you'll have the video. and even though the defense is trying to suggest they in fact could have used that particular weapon, that's not the point. the point always was is it reasonable? was it more excessive than necessary? if you put the knee on his neck maybe it was all right for the first minute or two, but once he became unresponsive and the handcuffs were on him, that's an act that should not be. it's always a question of regardless of what you're trained to do, officers are trained but sometimes they don't follow that training. that's the issue we get where we have excessive force. that's what you get when you have over five minutes he was unresponsive. so, during that period of time, the knee should have clearly been removed and probably should have been removed before that. i understand there's going to be training issues and fighting for that. that is the last question of the day. >> sean, danny, cynthia, stick
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around. much more for us to talk about in a moment. when we continue, we'll look at how the trial is affecting the witnesses. plus we will show you the new video introduced into evidence this week. and george floyd's brother terrence will join us next. joshua, very good saturday to you. some of the stories we're watching this hour. hasan bin zaid of jordan's royal family has been arrested by the nation's army on security concerns. king abdullah ii is a u.s. ally in the middle east. florida officials fear the collapse of a waste water reservoir near tampa bay. it contains hundreds of millions of gallons of radio active waste. officials ordered people in the area to evacuate immediately. the epa says it is deploying an on-scene coordinate to he yaz with emergency management agencies in tampa. staying in florida, ron desantis is prohibiting the state from
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raw footage of george floyd's death sparked outrage around the world. the black lives matter movement would probably be very different today if not for that video. but this week we saw a
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never-before-seen video from inside the convenience store, cup foods, moment before the encounter with police. here is how the cashier, christopher martin, explained that moment. >> i was folding up the $20 bill i just received. the policy was that if you took a counterfeit bill you have to pay for it. i was planning to just put it on my tab until i second guessed myself. and as you can see in the video, i kept examining it and told my manager. he told us to go out to the vehicle and to ask him to come inside. we told our manager that he refused to come into the store. he instructed one of my coworkers to call the police. i saw people yelling and screaming. i saw derek with his knee on george's neck. >> what was going through your
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mind at that time period? >> disbelief and guilt. >> why guilt? >> if i would have just not tooken the bill, this could have been avoided. >> let's continue with our panel. cynthia, let me start back with you. how does that moment fit into the prosecution's case? >> well, it was an amazing week in that the response of the witnesses was -- was such a helplessness and such an anger and they -- so empathetic to mr. floyd. not only did he feel guilty even though he isn't the one who killed mr. floyd, and he felt guilty. but, for example, the mma fighter, the man who could have -- who had so much talent and power to even intervene if he could have -- felt so much anger at the differential between the cop and him. and he looked at the cop and said, you're killing him. you're using a blood choke. and chauvin, like some kind of
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guard from parchment penitentiary, he digs his knee in a little harder to floyd. that's what happened with these people. there's all kind of interactions which crystallized the meanness and the cruelty of chauvin and highlighted the empathy and the humanity of the witnesses as they watched this murder. >> john burris, what's your sense of how the defense argues against both footage like this and reactions like the one we saw from the cashier at cup foods? >> well, first off you've got to put through arguments to try to minimize and neutralize this whole argument and the evidence that came from the crowd itself and basically show that, you know, the lay witnesses and what they see may not be real reality, certainly as it relates to police practice and what police do and things of that nature. i get it. but that's not their case. and they should not spend a lot of time on that. i think their case -- i think we've already talked a little bit about it.
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it's the drugs. it's the health. it's the issue of the training that was there or lack thereof. those are the issues they need to talk to the jury. the witnesses, i thought they should not spend all that time on those people. at a defense level, i wouldn't spend a lot of time on them. at the end of the day they corroborate what's on the video. if they were in a position to corroborate what the officer did and look like when he was unresponsive to anything that occurred. i will say this to the witnesses, those witnesses felt really bad about it. but they should not have intervened. they should not have gotten too close to those officers because they themselves would have got hurt. these officers would have spun out of control and they would have had more victims. the defense has to work harder and deal with the question of chauvin's training, the medical issues that are there, both the drugs and the heart conditions. these are things that they have to have in order to at least cause the jurors to have some
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sense of doubt. that doesn't mean in my mind that they will be successful, because as danny said it's a substantial factor question. if you have substantial facts in the cause, that's sufficient, at least as it relates to the death issue. i think they win easily on the issues of did they cause violation of civil rights. that's pretty clear. the question really is what's the causation here. >> danny, in addition to the video we've seen, there is surveillance video. there is video that led the 911 operator the place the call to the supervisor and say something might be wrong. let me get reaction to another piece of her testimony. >> what did you think about this when you looked back and saw that it hadn't changed? >> i first asked if the screens had broken. >> why did you ask that? >> because it hadn't changed. >> okay. did you find it had frozen? >> no. i was told it was not frozen. >> did you see the screen change
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yourself? >> yes, i saw the persons moving. >> so, what did you start thinking at that point? >> something might be wrong. i became concerned something might be wrong. >> wrong with what? what were you thinking? >> it was a gut instinct of in the instant something's not going right, whether it be they needed more assistance or if there were -- there just -- something wasn't right. i don't know how to explain it. it was a gut instinct to tell me that now we can be concerned. >> danny, i feel like what she said sort of sums up the two halves of the prosecution, what happened was wrong and not right. wrong meaning morally indefensible and not right, not by the book, not according to policy or procedure. >> the prosecution is cleverly used their best evidence, the video. but they haven't stopped there.
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they've called witnesses, people you can hear and see in the video and in the images, and essentially asked them, how did you react to seeing what you saw? you might just think any other normal prosecution would just put up the video, leave it at that. but what compelling testimony to get the actual real time reaction of people as they saw. remember, the 911 operator was watching a video. she wasn't actually physically there. and getting her to talk about what she thought as she saw this and all these other witnesses who were there and observed it. and by the way, they couldn't have asked the prosecution for a better set of eyewitnesses in that you had an mma fighter, a firefighter who was not allowed to help. these people all have perspectives. they have expertise. and that added to the prosecution's case. >> stick around. there's still plenty to discuss about this week's testimony. it has been an emotional week of watching the trial, but imagine what it must be like for the witnesses themselves.
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19 witnesses took the stand this week in the derek chauvin trial. their testimony has been emotional, sometimes hard to watch. perhaps the biggest impact has come from his former colleagues, fellow police officers. they testified about the approved use of chokeholds. >> once a hobble is used to restrain the hands and the feet and the subject is in the prone position, what is the policy require an officer to do? >> but them in the side recovery position? >> what is the side recovery position? >> basically roll them up on their side to ease their breathing, rather than leave them lying on their stomach or chest. >> and do you know why that's important? >> it's -- well, it helps to breathe better rather than having all the weight on their chest, it gets them up on their
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side so they can breathe easier. >> based on your experience as a minneapolis police officer, are the danger of positional asphyxia generally known throughout the department? >> yes, i believe so. >> that's something that officers are trained on? >> correct. >> and when you talk about positional asphyxia at a high level, could you explain what positional asphyxia is, as you've been trained? >> if you restrain somebody or leave them on their chest or stomach too long their breathing can become compromised. >> have you ever in all the years you've been working for the minneapolis police department been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is handcuffed behind they're back in a prone position? >> no, i haven't. >> is that -- if that were done, would that be considered force? >> absolutely. >> what level of force might that be? >> that would be the top tier, the deadly force.
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>> why? >> because of the fact that if your knee is on a person's neck, that can kill them. >> what is your view of that use of force during that time period? >> totally unnecessary. >> what do you mean? >> well, first of all, pulling him down to the ground face down and putting your knee on a neck for that amount of -- that amount of time -- is just uncalled for. i saw no reason why the officers felt they were in danger, if that's what they felt. and that's what they would have to feel to be able to use that kind of force. >> cynthia, this kind of testimony from fellow law enforcement officers is pretty
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remarkable, to say the least. >> it is remarkable. it's very unusual. we had two old school white cops come in and say this force was unreasonable and unacceptable. and just so we're all clear with everybody, just because in the manual it says, you know, if you're in a fight for your life you can use this particular type of a hold, you can't use it in this situation. not ever. because the guy was handcuffed behind his back. he was in a hog tie position. there is no way he is threatening you in any way. if those officers were that scared, they could have stood up and walked away. he did not threaten them. and so the defense attorney can go on and on about one of them hasn't had experience in a long time or he can say this is in the book. it is not acceptable in this situation. it has never been acceptable in this situation because you could only use deadly force when your life is in danger. and there is not a police department in this country in the last 30 years that would
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allow chauvin to do what he did to george floyd. >> danny, i want to make sure we make time to hear part of the testimony of george floyd's former girlfriend and her describing their struggles with addiction. i'd like to get your sense of the prosecution's strategy. but here's part of what she said. >> our story, it's -- it's a classic story of how many people get addicted to opioids. we both suffered from chronic pain. mine was in my neck and his was in his back. we both had prescriptions, but after prescriptions that were filled, we -- we -- we got
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addicted and tried really hard to break that addiction many times. >> and were you each aware of each others' struggles with opioids? >> yes. eventually in our relationship we shared that. >> and did you work together on that? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> and over how long a of a period did this go on for the both of you? >> addiction, in my opinion, is a life long struggle. so, it's something that we dealt with every day. you know, we -- it's not something that just kind of comes and goes. it's something i'll deal with forever. >> danny, what's the prosecution's strategy in bringing up opioid addiction here? i feel like that's the kind of thing that often defense attorneys use to say no, this person had something in their
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system that affected the way they responded to whatever may have happened. why would the prosecution bring this up? >> you're exactly right. george floyd's girlfriend has something good for the prosecution but something good for the defense, and that's the drug abuse testimony. but this is classic prosecutorial 101. if there's bad evidence, you bring it out in your case in chief so it pops like a popping bubble wrap. if you let the defense do it, they're going to detonate it like an m-80 and it's going to blow up in the prosecution's face. so, they've got to get that bad evidence out in their main case on direct so that if the defense makes a big scene of it later on, the jury supposedly thinks, yeah, well, the prosecution covered that. what's the big deal? but they called this witness to humanize george floyd, to show that he had people he loved and people that loved him back. yes, she had some evidence that was bad for the prosecution, but by getting it out there on their own, the prosecution's essentially saying, hey, we've
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got nothing to hide. >> and briefly, danny, before i move on to john, the way the prosecution lays it out in term of laying out directly kind of governs the way that the other side addresses the evidence that came up. there are rules in term of what you can address on direct questioning and cross-examination. it sounds like this gives the prosecution power to govern the way that is discussed regarding what the other side can even bring up. right? >> well, exactly. the prosecution controls the questioning. they get her up and they ask her these questions on direct. the defense is able to cross-examine her but they must do so carefully because she's a very sympathetic witness. the way cross-examination goes can be very aggressive and it may not look good for the defense to cross examine her. consider this. what if the defense calls the girlfriend on their own case and chief and start asking her about drug addiction and other things. by this time the jury is going
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to say, hey, we've already been over this when the prosecution put her on. >> i wonder what your sense is of the raw emotion of this week and how that factors into where the two parts of this case go from here before we go? >> raw emotions are extraordinarily important. we have all witnesses who all testified who are very much emotional. they were impacted by it. i don't think you can take the emotion out of this. you can't take the emotion out of a murder case. they were very sympathetic people. and i think george has been made more sympathetic now with his girlfriend having testified and you put on top of that the police officers who testified who basically says what this person did was wrong. so, that's another form of emotions that the jurors took away with them at the end of the week. a lot of people testifying that what happened here was fundamentally wrong. they're emotionally charged by it and the rest of the population. and you've got to believe the
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jurors themselves were emotionally tagged by what they heard this week. emotions in a case like this, extraordinarily important. of course the defense want to minimize that emotion as best they can and bring it back to the bricks and mortar if you want in terps of if they can they will. right now i don't see that taking place easily. >> john, danny, cynthia, we appreciate your analysis. thank y'all for joining us tonight. coming up. how has this trial affected the floyd family? we will check in with george floyd's brother terrance and family attorney benjamin crump just ahead. stay close. amin crump just ahead stay close of new pronamel miner. teeth need natural minerals to keep enamel healthy, strong, and white. but every day, acidic food and drink can wash these minerals away, weakening and dulling enamel over time. pronamel mineral boost protects teeth by working with your mouth to boost absorption of calcium and phosphate which naturally strengthens enamel.
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george floyd has sadly become well-known for the way he died. this week we got a closer look into aspects of his life. his former girlfriend courteney ross spoke about when they met. she says his kindness instantly
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struck her. >> he has this great, deep southern voice, raspy. he's like, sis, you okay, sis? and i wasn't okay. i said, no, i -- i'm just waiting for my son's father. sorry. he said, um -- he said, well, can i pray with you? >> george floyd was a son, a father, a friend, a brother. how is his family handling the first week of this trial? let's discuss that with terrence floyd, george floyd's brother and benjamin crump, an attorney for the family. mr. floyd, let me start with you, how the family is spending the weekend, it's easter
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weekend, how you're spending this time this weekend to prepare you for the next week of the trial. sorry, mr. floyd, can you hear me? >> vaguely, vaguely. >> i'm asking how are you and your family doing this weekend after this intense week of the trial with another week and probably several more weeks to come? how are you and the family doing and how are you spending this weekend? >> basically after this week -- well let me tell you what we're doing this week. it's been very emotional, very intense just starting this case off because it's been some time that my family had to go through this, just watching it, watching it constantly on the social
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media and tv. but now for the case to be here and us, you know, one of us be in the courtroom each day is very emotional. it's very intense because not everybody is here and we're actually -- we're actually close together and we see who was on scene. we see everybody in person that we saw on the video. so, it's just very intense, very emotional. and we've been getting through it, just sticking together, encouraging each other, whether it's a call or text or just, you know, walking -- just holding hands with each other and praying with each other. that's how we're getting through this. that's how we're doing. >> what's the mood in the community like right now? people around y'all, what are they saying? how are they supporting you right now? >> well, it's a lot of love and support in minneapolis right now
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as we walk the streets, as we go to the local stores, the love that's being shown in minnesota is very admirable and appreciative and appreciated, definitely. it's a lot of love and support out here. >> mr. crump, what's your sense of the first week of the case both on the prosecution and defense side? how do you come away from week one? >> well, i think the state led by keith ellison, the first african-american attorney general for the state of minnesota, is putting on a very compelling case. when you think about how they started out in opening statements educating all of us that it wasn't 8 minutes and 46 seconds, but it was actually 9 minutes and 29 seconds that he kept his knee on george floyd's
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neck and tortured him to death and they broke it down minute by minute by minute and second by second. and that was a very emotional way to start the trial, as terrance said, as my colleague john barry said. this case is full of emotion, but then they got right into the bombshell witness at the beginning, who was the 911 dispatcher who saw what was happening and called her sergeant and said, i don't want to be a snitch or anything, but what i see going on is wrong. and that was really compelling, when you think, she called the police on the police and then the end of the first day, you heard from donald williams, who talked about the fact that, you know, his humanity would not let him watch a man be deprived of oxygen and die without lashing
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out and screaming. and he painted that picture when he compared it to a fish -- >> right. >> who suffocates from lack of breath. and it was just painted in our minds. so, i think the state is doing what they need to do and i think the defense is doing what we all anticipated they were going to do, which is assassinate george floyd's character in an attempt to distract them from focusing in on that video. and i was shocked, mr. jones, that they even had -- blamed the crowd. they started blaming the people, saying, this is the reason why derek chauvin kept his knee on george floyd's neck. >> benjamin trump, terrance floyd, this has been a tough first week of the trial. thank you for making time for us this weekend. we should note that nbc news has reached out to the chauvin family and to their attorney, they are not doing interviews at the moment. we will preview what's ated in the chauvin trial before we go. o
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it has been an emotional first week of the derek chauvin trial. what should we expect next? well, it's scheduled to resume on monday morning around 10:30 eastern time. the trial could continue until 6:00 p.m. with a midday lunch break. you can, of course, follow it live here on msnbc. attorneys have not announced who will be testifying, at least not yet, an emt doctor had been scheduled to take the stand yesterday. we might hear the doctor testify
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monday, but the schedule and the timing are still very fluid. two key witnesses are expected to appear in the near future. one is minneapolis police chief ma der ya air dan doe. he will testify against one of his fellow officers. we may hear from the county's chief medical officer, andrew baker. he performed george floyd's autopsy and determined that the cause of death was cardio pull pulmonary arrest. thank you for joining us for this special report and thank you for making time tonight. do send us your best idea for a viable gun safety bill. and come on back tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern, after "the medhi hasan show." until we meet again, i'm joshua johnson. to those of you who observe, happy easter. good night. rve, happy easter good night
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hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. as we begin a new hour, we turn to infrastructure, and it is not just roads and bridges. why team biden should be eyeing a total overhaul of the care economy. plus, congressman grace ming joins me after new and shocking attacks on the aapi community. also, breaking news. a new report suggests that the trump campaign was tricking its donors out of thousands of dollars. and we'll hear from one of the people responsible for boosting voter turnout in texas last year. why it could all go


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