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thanks for watching. we'll be back next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. and monday through thursdays 7:00 p.m. eastern on "the choice" on peacock. now joshua johnson. >> it's good to be with you tonight. hope you had a lovely easter. workday for some in biden administration promoting infrastructure package. >> we're coasting off infrastructure choices made in the 1950s. >> could struggle or die without bipartisan support. is second reconciliation bill on the horizon? covid vaccinations speeding up, 4 million on friday, but new cases, rising in more than half the states. ask dr. zeke emanuel if we can
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prevent another surge. dancing with the devil, eye-popping lap dance by lil nasx. and we'll share ideas for new gun safety laws. i'm joshua johnson, welcome to "the week." ♪♪ this week president biden unveiled the american jobs plan and today the administration went to work selling it. cabinet members made the rounds on the sunday shows. >> i think it's important that we upgrade our definition of infrastructure, one that meets the needs of 21st century economy, need to be funding and incentivizing those structures which allow us to maximize economic activity. >> this is a jobs act, good
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paying jobs in sectors to help us win the future, biggest investment in america since fdr, since the new deal. >> jobs are obviously key to the sales pitch, and white house says the plan would create about 19 million of them. hiring is going pretty well right now. march jobs report shows 916,000 more jobs and unemployment fell slightly to 6%. infrastructure is kind of washington's running joke about the last bastion of bipartisanship. but biden administration says it's down for that. >> president really believes in bipartisan approach. >> obviously the preference is bipartisan way. >> come to the table, we want it bipartisan. >> but congressional republicans don't appear eager to to work together and come to the table. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell lashed out. >> i'm going to fight them every step of the way, this is the
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wrong prescription for america. >> this is why senate democrats are considering passing infrastructure plan through reconciliation as they did with covid relief bill. that might not work, senate parliamentarian yet to rule whether the rules allow that. would let democrats focus on getting all their members to support rather than fighting a filibuster. but that's not what president biden compaigned on, he promised to work across the aisle. first two bills pass with ends round around the gop knowing full well republicans are opposed to his agenda, what does that tell us? will he focus on bipartisan or what is popular, what is the american people want from him. professional daniel dresner from
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the tufts fletcher school, and shaw, strategies. this is partly a problem of how you define bipartisan, what works for parties versus americans regardless of party. professor, what is your sense what that could look like, you wrote an op-ed how the president should redefine it. >> this is a conscious strategy for the biden administration, traditionally think of bipartisanship as something that garners the votes of both republicans and democrats when congress votes on something. didn't happen with covid relief bill and might not with infrastructure program. but the biden white house has articulated the logic it's bipartisan if what we're proposing has public support from both democrats and republicans. and to be fair, there is some
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evidence at least on both biden's handling of the pandemic, not to mention the covid relief bill, there is bipartisan support, in case of his handling of the pandemic, majority of republicans approve. less than majority support for covid bill but not necessarily insignificant support either. and has been pointed out infrastructure is relatively popular program, particularly if it's going to generate a lot of jobs. will be interesting to see whether the polling on this reflects support among the gop base regardless of whether republicans in congress sfroert vote for it, allows patina of bipartisan for the white house. >> what do you think? should the white house assume they can go it alone without the gop? can only go so far, can't get everything done with
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reconciliation. sooner or later you have to win more seats in midterms and even that may not be enough, or you need to work together. >> josh, bring up excellent point here. it's time. this is the tricky part where the work begins, he has to get the will of the republicans in the house. come to the table, find common ground. past few years i know republicans in congress want to get something done on infrastructure, is this plan that president biden unveiled it? i don't think so, that's the hard part. because there's so much of this plan that i heard conservatives say this past week, like me who voted for biden in 2020 now saying this is the part where i'm having trouble stomaching what he's putting out there. it's a very robust plan, we know that. it is ambitious every sense of the word but i do believe in finding that political will on capitol hill, it's possible.
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may not be in senate, party of no guy there, mitch mcconnell saying exactly what we expect, but in the house may be courageous voices saying there are parts i like, clean water, broadband, updating the airports. there is will there, but the plan unveiled this past week is so unpalatable, conservatives like me are saying what are you going to do? reconciliation or honest compromise? i hope it's the latter. >> is the issue the price tag? spending trillions on covid, spending trillions on this, is that the issue? >> not entirely, but let's not forget how much is in there for climate change. we have a lot of climate deniers unfortunately still elected republicans, that's hard part. i'm with the younger set, millennial republicans who like
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renewable energy and clean tech, but there's older crop of republicans that can't get on board for anything that smells like green new deal in any shape or form. that's where it gets tricky. lot to love but energy stuff i think is really unpalatable for the older republican who just have not been honest. and younger crop like me proconservation and willing to do something rather than nothing. >> professor, absent that, what is the path forward for the president, democrats in congress? i mean this effort to even use reconciliation again shows there's a lot of skepticism as to whether or not bipartisanship is going to bust out right now. what is the path forward? doesn't feel sustainable without doing something. >> i think the difference between trying to go with reconciliation on infrastructure as opposed to the covid
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emergency relief, with that, biden did meet with some republican senators but let's be honest, that was pro forma, they went immediately to reconciliation. argument was this was emergency, things had to be done as soon as possible. if you look at polling, lot of the american people were fine with that concept. with infrastructure, this is something where you want to have action taken as soon as possible but it's not emergency, it's something where i think biden is going to have to do more in terms of outreach for bipartisanship to persuade centrists he went the extra mile. might still wind up going with reconciliation, but want good faith effort towards bipartisanship that wasn't necessarily going on with covid relief. might convince the population, at any points and swing voters,
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that he's trying to work with republicans. if republicans are seen as obstinate party, maybe he can take that route. push back a little bit on rina, it's trillions of dollars but difference with covid emergency relief and this, that was $2 trillion this year. infrastructure package is trillions over next decade, which sounds like a lot, but when you think about it year to year, it's significantly less. also the other difference with this, in theory, this is emergency relief, done properly should increase economic growth and pay for itself eventually. >> did you want to respond to that? >> i do. i definitely see your point, professor, but with the way the republican party is right now and entire year of the pandemic, it's hard for them to buy that whole this is a long-term investment, this is something that makes sense for the long-term. we're living very much in the short-term, feeling like what is possible right now is what they
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want to eat up. that's it. that's the reality, don't want to think long-term. >> what if we call it infrastructure tax cut and said it would pay for itself that way, would that work? >> goly, you bring up a good point, messaging has to change and president biden is capable of that. he has to have fireside chats on the hill. >> it's partly messaging, what i'm not hearing from senator mcconnell is anything new, believes can use the same playbook to say no, but not majority leader anymore, powerful in the caucus but the world has changed. still democrats like manchin and sinema who have become more powerful by their willingness in their party to say no. feels like the president is fighting two fronts, republicans to deal with, then more
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centrist, moderate, conservative democrats in his party, saying you have to win me over now more than ever. >> and senator romney not making it easier saying don't go this alone joe. this is the part that's tough. don't know how it's going to end up until you see biden show up and have conversations with people who were his colleagues. nobody's made it easier for him, certainly not my home state senator joe manchin, we're still living in reality of the pandemic, it's hard to get people's minds to long-term. on top of the political tensions that always exist. >> one more story we need to get in, i'm not a fan, but i want to make sure the paycheck clears friday, so bring it up, congressman matt gaetz, very few elements of the story that nbc news has confirmed.
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we have confirmed investigation. we've confirmed he's denied allegations against him. lot of other reports in national news organizations but nbc news has only confirmed core of the story. to be clear for those watching and reading about it, posting on social media about it, there's a lot we still don't know about this. can i briefly get your reaction to the story? partly because i've got a problem with the dialogue around it and some of the wonder of what the gop will do if the allegations are substantiated, will he get to stay on the house judiciary committee, for that to be in doubt about that from the party who still supports a president who said on tape he would grab women by their private parts by dint of his wealth and status is a nonstarter. i'm not sure why we're having that conversation but maybe there's something i'm missing,
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am i missing something? >> what you just put out is a lot to unpack. for me it's complicated, hits close to home. ten years ago working for his predecessor, very conservative district, most conservative and republican district in all of florida currently. on one hand i think gaetz, all things aside, what we know about him as person, bombastic, and arrogant if you ask me on personal level, but reality is he doesn't want to budge, because why should he? it's a district that loves republicans and he's thinking until the cards are laid out that makes it untenable to remain, he's going to stay put. that's really hard for me. one thing has been made overwhelmingly clear to me, there's a double standard for
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politicians, female and male who face scandals. that's got to be killed, only way is if men speak up and say let's kill the locker room talk stuff. that's what we need to do. >> thanks very much. it is one hell of a controversy on this holy week. lil nas x with his new video "montero," substance and shock. covid going right wrong and vaccines right, net positive? or losing ground. good sunday to you. procession of 22 ancient mummies paraded through cairo, egypt, moved from museum to new national museum saturday. 18 kings and four queens had taken the royal journey. woman gave birth to twins
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i mentioned friday's unemployment report. markets pretty happy with it, another sign of progress fighting covid-19. dow futures jumped 150 points overnight. and 106 million americans have received at least one dose of the vaccine. averaging 3 million vaccinations a day, friday had 4 million. new high. that's good news. but clearly bad news too. otherwise the cdc's director dr. rochelle walensky wouldn't express what she called impending sense of doom, worried about fourth wave of cases. cases up 12% across the country in the last week. so cases are rising but vaccines are supposed to help us get them down. what's going on? what should we do? joining us, dr. ezekiel emanuel,
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of the president's covid transition board, at university of pennsylvania and author of "which country has the world's best health care," welcome. >> nice to be here. >> as much as i would love to know which country, we'll talk about that another night, begin with the sense of doom that dr. walensky has. do you share it? do you see it differently? >> group of us from the biden transition covid advisory board wrote an op-ed in february where we said could be a dismal spring if we don't buckle down because of the variants. we've had impending dread for a long time, and we knew that the variants and easing of the public health measures could spell trouble, thought we could
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avoid it if we were more assiduous about the public health measures, but country was looking in front, cases going down, everything is fine, we can ease up. but that variant, especially b.1.1.7 from britain is very infectious and likely to be more virulent. >> let's talk about that, dr. oefter home negligenced it today. >> didn't see children under eighth grade and it turns it on its head. major challenges to transmit. 749 schools in minnesota last two weeks having activity. >> we should be clear, variants
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are normal. this is what viruses do, they mutate, find different variations survive, some not -- >> it's -- >> fact they're variants, that's not a surprise. >> it's called evolution. viruses that proliferate are where the pressure is not as effective. we know that. >> this is a problem though, affecting kids, that jeopardizes the ability to reopen schools, jeopardizes ability of parents to go back to work and ability to get economy rolling again. is that part of what's behind this impending doom for lack of another term? >> i think that's part of it. main part is just we concentrated on giving vaccine to people who would die, older people, more than half of them now have the vaccine. but younger people are much more
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likely to transmit, and we really do have to get them vaccinated. it is good that the pfizer vaccine does appear to be effective in 12 to 17-year-olds. and so i think they have to get authorization for that, and we have to begin vaccinating those middle and high school students promptly. >> can we nail something down, definitely want to get to this before i have to let you go, and i don't know is perfectly legit answer to any scientific question. dr. walensky said that vaccinated people don't carry the virus, then the cdc walked it back saying still evaluating the science. we're confident that viruses prevent serious hospitalization, symptoms and death in people who get the vaccination, but still
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question on whether they can carry the virus to somebody else and get them sick. that's my understanding where we are, and why vaccinated people still need to wear masks and socially distance and wash hands. do i have that right? >> largely right. we have not proven that vaccinated people don't carry the virus and don't transmit it. but increasing -- i think where dr. walensky is going, evidence is dramatically increasing. if you look at israel and britain, does appear only way to explain the phenomena there, vaccinated people do not transmit the virus. there is another reason to wear masks even if you're vaccinated, that has to do with the variants. while we know that many of the vaccines are good against b.1.1.7. the british variant but
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there's south african and one out of brazil, and how effective any of the vaccines are against those variants is still undetermined, and may be other variants evolving in new york and los angeles and other places. that's something we need to do better job of, genetic surveillance of all potential variants and rapidly find out if it appears in the petri plate resistant to the vaccines. that's very important information. >> all very helpful, dr. emanuel, thanks very much. >> nice to be here, thank you very much. lil nas x is taking a sharp turn from that "old town road," straight to hell. latest music video has some critics saying not today, satan, but if that's all you see, you're missing the whole story. we'll explain when we come back. .
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♪ don't hear the sins, in the garden, know that you can ♪ ♪ call me when you want, call me when you need ♪ ♪ call me in the morning, call me by your name ♪♪ >> and that's the clip we could show you. openly gay hip-hop star lil nas x holding nothing back in video "call me by my name," biblical imagery and intense eroticism are giving his fans life and apparently scaring his critics to death. released limited run sneakers with the video, satan shoes, nike's air max 97s, supposedly each had a drop of human blood in each pair, amazingly, nike
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sued, they're off the market. republican governor christy nome tweeted quote, we're in a fight for soul of our nation. we've seen highly sexualized music videos before, but gay sex with satan, it's shocking but for some fans, liberating, shock for shock's sake or something deeper? associate professor of religion and africana studies. how are you? >> good, how are you? >> i checked twitter on the break, number one trending figure is jesus christ, maybe that's the backdrop, line between the religious, cultural and political and how it plays into how people are responding
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to the video. >> lil nas x did a great marketing campaign, thinking about it as business person. but as religion scholar, he's pushing every button that conservatives really hate, and conservative christians especially. taking a stripper pole down to hell is not how they teach it to you in the bible. >> not at all, i don't remember that. is that in ecclesiastes? no, second tim -- no, might have been in the director's cut but not my version. one of the things he released after the video was a tweet to explain what the song meant to him. he wrote a letter to his younger self, talked about challenges he had accepting his sexuality, wrote that song should open doors for other queer people to simply exist. if i had seen a video like this when i was a young gay boy
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growing up in south florida wrestling with religion, one that never ended for me, my coming out would have been very different. i don't know if i would have turned into lil nas x but would have had another image of black gay sexuality is from a black gay man and not a caricature from pop culture. >> exactly. i was touched by that. when he talked about what it's really about, love and wanting somebody and lust you feel when you first fall in love with somebody. for a lot of younger people this is going to be very liberating despite the imagery that would offend christians, many of whom don't believe in homosexuality in the first place. it's a moment in which he can take all those things told to him that he couldn't be himself, couldn't be gay, turned them on its head. that's interesting part of the video, the part that challenges
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what people would actually think that he should receive. all the negative messages saying he was going to go to hell. well, i'm going to go there. >> your piece for msnbc daily referred to the old cultural brushes with the satanic panic we've had periodically. what did you mean? >> every ten years or so we go through thing about people scared about satan. '80s, mcmaster case, and 1990s had other satanic panic, or popular in the '80s in music that you play a record back and hear satanic messages. always grip the religious imagination. in america where people are very religious and take bible
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seriously, these images punch a button for people and resonates. this is one of many satanic panics, people biting head off bat or heavy metal music with pentagrams, all satanic panics and in the news a lot. >> do you have any sympathy for people of faith who don't know what is up, watched video, never read the lyrics, may understand why they thought it was cool, but parents read the lyrics and look up with lean s see if you want your kids to have a sip. wonder if you have empathy for people of faith trying to adapt their culture to 2021 and just feel like they don't know which way is up. >> yeah, i do have sympathy. part of my work is to write
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about morality, i talk about this in my new book, "white see evangelical," it's opening up to different readings of scripture, how we read it now instead of taking it literally, we have to contend with the text, and also realize the images in lil nas x's videos, you don't have to let your kids watch that, part of the responsibility is yours to monitor what kids are looking at. but reality is you can't stop things from being produced. he has right to do that and he has. >> you will see the piece on msnbc right now, althea butler, thanks very much. >> thank you so much for having me. florida declares a state of
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♪ ♪ manatee county, florida, south of tampa, under state of emergency. leak at piney point fertilizer plant along tampa bay. officials worried that walls holding in contaminated water could break and release a wall of water 20 feet high. sam brock has the latest. hey sam. >> reporter: joshua, good evening. officials in florida right now trying to manage a crisis from becoming a catastrophe, a breach in waste water reservoir could not be patched, so sprint onward to dump almost 500 million gallons of waste water into the gulf of mexico.
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notes for context. officials say it's mainly salt water, some concentration of nitrogen and ammonia, not good for environment, wouldn't want to swim in it but not radio active. biggest concern is flooding. more than 300 homes in the evacuation zone and residents are fearful to come back and find homes flooded or looted in the meantime. beyond that, were this one pond to rupture, two others next to it carry 880 million gallons of water that have been drawn down, officials feel better where we are now. bringing in pumps. national guard air dropped pumps on the top of the stack, went from 30 million discharged, to hopefully 60 million by tomorrow. time line from 12 days
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originally, to four or five to have all the water out in gulf of mexico. every inch reduces pressure on the pond and risk and exposure people face. also a natural gas facility over my shoulder, 745-mile long network, would likely impact service for millions if it were flooded. gulf stream natural gas system has no comment. sam brock, nbc news. many group homes for young people are nonprofits, some companies that use tax dollars to help vulnerable children. one company is making millions in operating the facility. but 2 1/2 year nbc news investigation uncovered problems. we'll show you the results, kate snow is here with a preview. good evening, kate. >> good evening, joshua.
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these are places that are meant to provide care for foster children, kids with mental health or developmental disorders or youth from juvenile justice system. but critics say the children have become commodities. one state senator from oregon is taking on the company and trying to change the system. >> these are not treatment programs, these are facilities to warehouse and manage kids without treatment expertise and goal is make money not make kids healthy. >> reporter: mother of five never thought would spend years taking on a multimillion-dollar company. >> the senate committee on human services will come to order. >> reporter: senator geltser discovered state of oregon had shipped more than 80 kids to facilities out of state. >> they've been placed out of site and we're going to ensure they're no longer out of mind.
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>> talking points you hear from everyone. don't have the services high need kids need. >> so have to be sent out of state. >> correct. >> reporter: oregon paid hundreds of dollars a day to have children in facilities run by sequel services. hearing allegations that staff overused restraints, after visiting several, issued a dire warning to company executives. >> i was very afraid a kid was going to die. >> months later it happened. 16-year-old cornelius frederick died after he was restrained by six adults on the floor of cafeteria in michigan. >> that's a violent response, what the staff did. how long they held him down is shocking to people when they watch it. but it was not shocking to anybody that was in that lunchroom. >> reporter: child advocate daniel hatcher says the physical restraints she was concerned
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about are not accidental but intentional way to keep cost down. >> might otherwise need staff person with level of training and skill to deal with a child with difficulties. simply put them in physical restraint, don't need that level of skill, makes job cheaper. >> use of restraint is only when there's imminent or immediate danger to the client themselves or others. >> mary ann birmingham. are kids safe at your facilities? >> i understand your concern what you've seen with allegations, i assure you we take every step we can to ensure the safety. >> state of michigan is set to ban the use of restraints in these facilities. sequel calls the death senseless
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and tragic and fired those involved in clear violation of policies and training. >> is anything more happening or is that the end of it? >> quite a bit. three of the former staffers involved in the restraint are charged with manslaughter, trial is under way in michigan. meantime there's a civil suit filed by the family of cornelius frederick, also the state of michigan shut down lake side academy and are making changes to apply to all youth facilities in their state. >> the facilities deal with at risk youth, can you paint us a clearer picture the kinds of kids in these facilities, if certain kids are more at risk than others? >> i would say first of all, population of kids we're talking about tends to be more children of color, people from disadvantaged backgrounds.
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might be foster kids without family, wards of the state, who have developmental needs for mental health issues. also some kids who come out of the juvenile justice system, depending on which state is sending kids to the sequel facilities, can be a range of everything i describe, some kids more complex cases than others. >> we'll have your report in a few minutes, but what other kinds of allegations, restraints or other problem areas? >> it's everything from the physical buildings, joshua, the facilities kids are kept in. going to hear about alabama and report done there on horrific conditions, and then goes on to allegations we've heard from numerous people of physical abuse, even sexual assault and abuse, verbal assault and abuse. so a wide range of complaints, and you'll hear from sequel and their defense as well, joshua. >> very dramatic time now in
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terms of accountability for how we deal with people who tend to fall through the cracks. as soon as i saw restraint on camera, that's obviously in the news with a particular trial out of minneapolis. feels like there's a lot of attention paid to this. glad you're putting attention to this. look forward to the report. >> thank you. >> nbc's kate snow, "children that pay," please stay with us. it is next, top of the hour here on msnbc. next week we're doing experiment, working together to write a gun safety package. last night we asked for your ideas, got hundreds of them. some are really good. we'll share a few before we go. r car insurance so you only pay for what you need? just get a quote at really? i'll check that out. oh yeah. i think i might get a quote.
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gun owners. gun owners have strict penalties for falsifying the above, insurance fraud. pam writes instead of making ar-type guns illegal, there should just be a separate and more in-depth license. people enjoy owning guns and collecting guns, and i don't mind if someone who has been vetted wants to own a speciality-type gun. wyatt writes the rules and tools already exist, the act requires a special kind of license from the atf. the weapons under this classification are rarely used in assaults. if this were focussed on public
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safety and social justice it could garner support across party lines of by requiring a safety training course to obtain a federal concealed carry permit, we can ensure those who exercise their rights are trained. sharon wrote legislation that requires mandatory insurance for gun ownership, liability protection parallel to that use and operation of every other dangerous object in our society from motorized vehicles and industrial equipment. as well as a way to cover hospital bills and rehabilitation, and, as is too often the case, funeral costs. from a reform advocate's perspective, getting the insurance agency on the side of sensible reform would transform
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the fight. it means accepting the role of guns in american society. and finally, jeff wrote empower all registered firearms dealers nationwide to transact all firearm sales, public and private. you can't give a car to your child. you must transfer ownership. a nominal fee per transfer. gun owners would be dealing with local business owners. great ideas. we'll dig more next saturday night. we're live on fridays on the peacock app. msnbc saturday nights 8:00 to 10:00 eastern. i'm joshua johnson. make it a wonderful week. goodnight. it a wonderful week goodnight.
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