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and monday through thursdays at 7:00 p.m. eastern on "the choice" on nbc's streaming channel, peacock. now, good evening, joshua johnson. >> it's good to be with you tonight. hope you've had a lovely easter. it was a work day for some in biden administration promoting his infrastructure package. >> we're still coasting off infrastructure choices made in the 1950s. >> that plan could struggle or die without bipartisan support. is a second reconciliation bill on the horizon? covid vaccinations are speeding up. 4 million shots on friday, but new cases, rising in more than half the states. we will ask dr. zeke emanuel if we can prevent another surge. plus, you know what they say about dancing with the devil, but this is just one moment in
an eye-popping lap dance by lil nas x. and we'll share ideas for new gun safety laws. from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." this week president biden unveiled the american jobs plan and today the administration went to work selling it. cabinet members made the rounds on the sunday shows. >> i think it's important that we upgrade our definition of infrastructure. one that meets the needs of a 21st century economy, and we need to be funding and incentivizing those structures which allow us to maximize economic activity. >> this is the american jobs act, it is also focused on good paying jobs in sectors to help us win the future, the biggest investment in america since fdr, since the new deal. >> jobs are obviously key to the
sales pitch, and the white house says the plan would create about 19 million of them. hiring is going pretty well right now. the march jobs report shows 916,000 more jobs and unemployment fell slightly to 6%. infrastructure is kind of washington's running joke about the last bastion of bipartisanship. but the biden administration says it's down for that. >> the president really believes in a bipartisan approach. >> obviously the preference is to have this done in a bipartisan way. >> come to the table, we want it to be bipartisan. >> but congressional republicans don't appear eager to to work together and come to the table. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell lashed out at the plan. >> i'm going to fight them every step of the way. i think this is the wrong prescription for america. >> that is why senate democrats are considering passing infrastructure plan through reconciliation, as they did with covid relief bill.
that might not work. the senate parliamentarian has yet to rule one whether the rules allow that. those rules that let bills that affect the deficit pass with a simple majority. that would let democrats focus on getting all their members to support rather than fighting a filibuster. but that's not what president biden compaigned on, he promised to work across the aisle. so to have his first two bills pass with an end around the gop knowing full well republicans are opposed to his agenda, what does that tell us? will he focus on bipartisan or what is popular, what the polls show the american people want from him? let's bring in professor daniel dresner from the tufts fletcher school, and rina shaw,
president of relaxed strategies. this is partly a problem of how you define bipartisan, what works for parties versus americans regardless of party. professor, what is your sense what that should look like, you wrote an op-ed about how the president should redefine this. >> this has been a conscious strategy for the biden administration, and he said that traditionally we think of bipartisanship as something that garners the votes of both republicans and democrats when congress votes on something. that obviously didn't happen with the covid relief bill and might not with the infrastructure program. but the biden white house has articulated the logic of, it's bipartisan if what we're proposing has public support from both democrats and republicans. and to be fair, there is some evidence that at least on both biden's handling of the pandemic, not to mention the covid relief bill, there is
some bipartisan support, in the case of his handling of the pandemic, a majority of republicans approve. you have less than majority support for covid bill but not necessarily insignificant support either. and as has been pointed out, infrastructure is a relatively popular program, particularly if it's going to generate a lot of jobs. it will be interesting to see whether the polling on this reflects support among the gop base regardless of whether republicans in congress vote for it, and allows this patina of bipartisan for the white house. >> what do you think? should the white house assume they will have to go it alone without the gop? they can only do that so far, you can't get everything done with reconciliation. sooner or later you have to win more seats in midterms and even that may not be enough, or you need to work together.
>> josh, you bring up an excellent point here. it's time. this is the tricky part where the work begins, he has to get the will of the republicans in the house. to say, let's come to the table, find common ground. over the past few years i know republicans in congress want to get something done on infrastructure. is this plan that president biden unveiled it? i don't think so, and that's the hard part. because there's so much of this plan that i heard conservatives say this past week, conservatives like me who voted for biden in 2020 now saying this is the part where i'm having trouble stomaching what he's putting out there. it's a very robust plan, we know that. it is ambitious in every sense of the word but i do believe in finding that political will on capitol hill, it's possible. it may not be in the senate, with party of no guy there, mitch mcconnell saying exactly what we expect, but in the house
we may see some courageous voices saying there are parts i like, clean water, broadband, updating the airports. there is will there, but the plan as unveiled this past week is so unpalatable, you have conservatives like me are saying, what are you going to do? reconciliation or honest compromise? i hope it's the latter. >> is the issue the price tag? we just spent trillions on covid, spending trillions on this, is that the issue? >> that's not entirely it, but let's not forget how much is in there for climate change. we have a lot of climate deniers unfortunately still elected who are republicans, that's hard part. i'm with the younger set, the millennial republicans who like renewable energy and clean tech, but there's that older crop of republicans that can't get on board for anything that smells like green new deal in
any way, shape, or form. that's where it gets tricky. there is a lot to love but the energy stuff i think is really unpalatable for the older republicans who just have not been very honest. and the younger crop like me who are pro-conservation and willing to do something rather than nothing. >> professor, absent that, what is the path forward for the president, for democrats in congress? i mean, this effort to even use reconciliation again shows there's a lot of skepticism as to whether or not bipartisanship is going to bust out right now. so what is the path forward? it doesn't feel sustainable without doing something. >> i think the difference between trying to go with reconciliation on infrastructure as opposed to the covid emergency relief, is that with that, biden did meet with some republican senators but let's be honest, that was pro forma, they then went immediately to reconciliation.
the argument was, this was an emergency, things had to be done as soon as possible. and if you look at the polling, a lot of the american people were fine with that concept. with infrastructure, this is something where you want to have action taken as soon as possible but it's not an emergency, it's something where i think biden is going to have to do more in terms of outreach for bipartisanship to persuade centrists that he went the extra mile. it might be that he still wind up going with reconciliation, but you want a good faith effort towards bipartisanship that wasn't necessarily going on with covid relief. that might convince the population that he's trying to work with republicans. if republicans are seen as obstinate party, then maybe he
can take the reconciliation route. and just to push back a little bit on rina, it's trillions of dollars but the difference with covid emergency relief and this, that was $2 trillion this year. the infrastructure package is trillions over the next decade, which sounds like a lot, but when you think about it year to year, it's significantly less. and also the other difference with this, in theory, this is not emergency relief, done properly it should increase economic growth and pay for itself eventually. >> rina, did you want to respond to that? >> i do. because i definitely see your point, professor, but with the way the republican party is right now and with this entire year of the pandemic, it's hard for them to buy that whole this is a long-term investment, this is something that makes sense for the long term. we're living very much in the short-term, feeling like what is possible right now is what they want to eat up. that's it. that's the reality, they don't want to think long-term. >> what if we call it the infrastructure tax cut and said it would pay for itself that
way, would that work? >> gosh, golly, you bring up a good point, the messaging has to change and i believe president biden is capable of that. he has to have fireside chats on the hill. and do the messaging he's well known for. >> it's partly messaging, what i'm not hearing from senator mcconnell is anything new, it feels like he believes can use the same playbook to say no, but he is not majority leader anymore, he is still powerful in the caucus but the world has changed. still, democrats like manchin and sinema who have become more powerful just by their willingness in their party to say no. so it feels like the president is fighting two fronts, he has the republicans to deal with, and then more centrist, moderate, conservative democrats in his party who are saying you have to win me over now more
than ever. >> and senator romney is not making it any easier saying don't go this alone, joe. this is the part that's tough. you don't know how it's going to end up until you see biden show up and have conversations with people who were his colleagues. nobody's made it easier for him, certainly not my home state senator joe manchin. this is where it gets complicated. we're still living in reality of the pandemic, it's hard to get people's minds to long-term. that's what i think really complicates this as well, on top of the political tensions that always exist. >> one more story we need to get in, i'm not a fan, but i want to make sure the paycheck clears friday, so i want to bring it up. congressman matt gaetz, there are very few elements of the story that nbc news has confirmed. we have confirmed the investigation. we've confirmed he's denied the allegations against him. there are a lot of other reports
in national news organizations but nbc news has only confirmed the core of the story. to be clear for those watching and reading about it, posting on social media about it, there's a lot we still don't know about this. rina, can i briefly get your reaction to the story? partly because i've got a problem with the dialogue around it and some of the wonder of what the gop will do if the allegations are substantiated, will he get to stay on the house judiciary committee, i think for there to be in doubt about that from the party who still supports a president who said on tape he would grab women by their private parts by dint of his wealth and status is a non-starter. i'm not sure why we're having that conversation but maybe there's something i'm missing. am i missing something? >> well, what you just put out is a lot to unpack. for me it's complicated, it hits close to home.
ten years ago i was working for his predecessor, jeff miller, from a very conservative district, the most conservative and republican district in all of florida currently. so on one hand i think gaetz, all things aside, what we know about him as a person, very bombastic and arrogant if you ask me on personal level, but the reality is, he doesn't want to budge because why should he? it's a district that loves republicans and he's thinking to himself, until the cards are laid out in a way that makes it untenable to remain, he's going to stay put. that's really hard for me. because one thing has been made overwhelmingly clear to me, is that there's a double standard for politicians, female and male, who face scandals. that's got to be killed, the only way is if men speak up and say, let's kill the locker room talk stuff. that's what we need to do.
>> professor and rina, good to see you. thanks very much. it is one hell of a controversy on this holy week. lil nas x with his new video "montero," the substance and the shock value. up next, covid going right wrong and vaccines right, net positive? or losing ground. first, richard is here with the headlines. hey, richard. good sunday to you. a procession of 22 ancient mummies paraded five miles through cairo, egypt, moved from a museum to a new national museum saturday. 18 kings and 4 queens had taken the royal journey. a woman gave birth to twins conceived three weeks apart. mother rebecca roberts experienced superfetation.
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with it, it is another sign of progress fighting covid-19. the dow futures jumped 150 points overnight. and 106 million americans have received at least one dose of the vaccine. the u.s. is averaging 3 million vaccinations a day, friday we had 4 million. a new high. that's the good news. but clearly there is bad news too. otherwise the cdc's director dr. rochelle walensky wouldn't express what she called an impending sense of doom, worried about a fourth wave of cases. cases are up 12% across the country in the last week. so cases are rising but vaccines are supposed to help us get them down. what's going on? what should we do? joining us, dr. ezekiel emanuel, formely of the president's covid transition advisory board, at university of pennsylvania and the author of "which country has
the world's best health care?" welcome. >> nice to be here. >> as much as i would love to know which country has the best health care, we'll talk about that another night. let's begin with the sense of doom that dr. walensky has. do you share it? do you see it differently? >> a group of us from the biden transition covid advisory board wrote an op-ed in february where we it said could be a dismal spring if we don't buckle down because of the variants. we've had this impending dread for a long time, and we knew that the variants and easing of the public health measures could spell trouble, and we thought we could avoid it if we were more assiduous about the public health measures, but the country was looking right in front, cases are going down, everything
is fine, we can ease up. but that variant, especially the b.1.1.7 from britain, is very infectious and likely to be more virulent. causing more hospitalizations, icu stays, and death. >> let's talk more about b.1.1.7. dr. oesterholm talked about it today. >> we didn't see children under eighth grade and it turns it on its head. major challenges to transmit. 749 schools in minnesota last two weeks now having b.1.1.7 activity. >> we should be clear, variants are normal. this is what viruses do, they mutate, they find different variations are about survive, some are not -- >> it's --
>> so the fact that they're variants, that's not a surprise. >> it's called evolution. if you put pressure on them, the viruses that proliferate are where the pressure is not as effective. we know that. >> this is the problem though, if it is affecting kids, that jeopardizes the ability to reopen schools, which jeopardizes ability of parents to go back to work, and the ability to get our economy rolling again. is that part of what's behind this impending doom for lack of another term? >> i think that's part of it. the main part is just we concentrated on giving the vaccine to people who would die, so older people, more than half of them now have the vaccine. but younger people are much more likely to transmit, and we really do have to get them vaccinated. it is good that the pfizer vaccine does appear to be
effective in 12 to 17-year-olds. and so i think they have to get authorization for that, and we have to begin vaccinating those middle and high school students promptly. >> can we nail something down, i definitely want to get to this before i have to let you go, and i don't know is a perfectly legit answer to any scientific question. but this is one that keeps coming up. dr. walensky said that vaccinated people don't carry the virus, then the cdc walked it back, saying we are still evaluating the science. my understanding was, we're confident that viruses prevent serious hospitalization, symptomatic infection and death in people who get the vaccination, but the science is still emerging on whether they can carry the virus to somebody else and get them sick. that's my understanding of where
we are, and why vaccinated people still need to wear masks and socially distance and wash their hands. do i have that right? or is your understanding different? >> largely right. we have not proven that vaccinated people don't carry the virus and don't transmit it. but the increasing -- i think where dr. walensky is going, the evidence is dramatically increasing. if you look at israel and britain, it does appear that the only way to explain the phenomena there is that vaccinated people do not transmit the virus. there is another reason to wear masks even if you're vaccinated, and that has to do with the variants. while we know that many of the vaccines are good against b.1.1.7., the british variant. there's other ones like the south african variant and one out of brazil, and how effective any of the vaccines are against those variants is still
undetermined, and there may be other variants evolving in new york and los angeles and other places. that's something we need to do a better job of, genetic surveillance of all potential variants and to rapidly find out if it appears in the petri plate resistant to the vaccines. that's very important information. >> yeah. this is all very helpful, dr. emanuel, thanks very much. >> nice to be here, thank you very much. lil nas x is taking a sharp turn from that "old town road," straight to hell. his latest music video has some critics saying, not today, satan. but if that's all you see, you're missing the whole story. we'll explain when we come back. i was totally stranded. no tp? so what happened? well... we started buying charmin super mega roll. charmin super mega roll is 6 rolls in 1 and lasts so much longer. enjoy the go with charmin. guaranteed to fit or your money back. when you buy this plant at walmart, they can buy more plants from metrolina greenhouses
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me on the way ♪ >> and that's the clip we could show you. the openly gay hip-hop star lil nas x holding nothing back in the new video "call me by my name." it has more than 88 million views. its biblical imagery and intense eroticism are giving his fans life and apparently scaring his critics to death. along with the video, he released some limited run sneakers with the video, satan shoes, nike's air max 97s, supposedly each had a drop of human blood in each pair. amazingly, nike sued, they're off the market. among those expressing outrage, republican governor christy nome who tweeted, quote, we're in a fight for soul of our nation. we've seen highly sexualized
music videos before, but gay sex with satan, it's shocking but for some his fans, liberating. is this shock for shock's sake or is it something deeper? joining us, anthea butler, associate professor of religion and africana studies. how are you? >> good, how are you? >> i'm well. i checked twitter on the break, and the number one trending political figure in my feed is jesus christ, maybe that's the backdrop. the line between the religious, the cultural, and the political and how it plays into how people are responding to the video. >> exactly. lil nas x did a great marketing campaign, if i'm thinking about it as business person. but as religion scholar, he's pushing every button that
conservatives really hate, and conservative christians especially. because taking a stripper pole down to hell is not how they teach it to you in the bible. >> not at all, i don't remember that. i was like, is that in ecclesiastes? no, second tim -- no, it might have been in the director's cut but not my version. one of the things he released after the video was a tweet to explain what the song meant to him. and he wrote a letter to his younger self, and talked about the challenges he had accepting his sexuality. he wrote that the song should open doors for other queer people to simply exist. i think that if i had seen a video like this when i was a young gay boy growing up in south florida wrestling with religion, which is one that never ended for me, my coming out would have been very different. i don't know if i would have turned into another lil nas x
but at least i would have had another image of what black gay sexuality is from a black gay man and not a caricature from pop culture. >> exactly. i was touched by that. when he talked about what it's really about, it's about love and wanting somebody and this lust that you feel when you first fall in love with somebody. i think for a lot of younger people this is going to be very liberating despite the imagery that would offend some christians, many of whom don't believe in homosexuality in the first place. i think it's a moment in which he can take all those things that had been told to him that he couldn't be himself, couldn't be gay, he turned them on its head. that's interesting part of the video, the part that challenges what people would actually think that he should receive. all the negative messages saying he was going to go to hell. well, i'm going to go there. >> your piece for msnbc daily
referred to the old cultural brushes with the satanic panic that we've had periodically. what did you mean by that? >> every ten years or so we go through this thing about people scared about satan. in the '80s, the mcmaster case, and the 1990s where we had other satanic panic, or the popular one in the '80s in music that you play a record back and hear satanic messages. these kinds of things always grip the religious imagination. especially in america where people are very religious and take the bible literally, these images punched a button for people and it just resonates. this is one of many satanic panics since the 1970s, people
biting the head off bat or heavy metal music with pentagrams, all of those count as satanic panics and have been in the news a lot. >> do you have any empathy for people of faith who don't know which way is up, who watched the video, never read the lyrics, may understand why they thought it was cool, but parents read the lyrics and look up with lean is and see if you want your kids to have a sip. i wonder if you have empathy for people of faith trying to adapt their culture to 2021 and just feel like they don't know which way is up. >> yeah, i do have sympathy. part of my work is to write about morality. i talk about this in my new book, "white evangelical racism."
it's a question of education, a question of opening them up to different readings of scripture, and how we read scripture now, instead of taking it literally. we have to contend with the text, and also realize the images in lil nas x's videos, you don't have to let your kids watch that, part of the responsibility is yours to monitor what kids are looking at. but the reality is, you can't stop these things from being produced. he has the right to do that and he has. >> you will see the piece on msnbc right now by anthea butler. it's worth checking out. thanks very much. >> thank you so much for having me. coming up, florida declares a state of emergency, with a toxic reservoir on the verge of collapse. waste water could cause a catastrophic event on the shores of tampa bay. tampa bay
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manatee county, florida, south of tampa, is under a state of emergency. after a leak at the piney point fertilizer plant along tampa bay. officials are worried that the walls holding in contaminated water could break and release a wall of water 20 feet high. sam brock has the latest. hey, sam. >> reporter: joshua, good evening. officials in florida right now are trying to manage a crisis from becoming a catastrophe. a breach in a waste water reservoir could not be patched, so it has been a sprint onward to dump almost 500 million gallons of waste water into the gulf of mexico. a couple of notes for context. officials say it's mainly salt water, with some concentration of nitrogen and ammonia, it is not good for the environment,
you wouldn't want to swim in it but it's not radioactive. the biggest concern is flooding. more than 300 homes in the evacuation zone and residents are fearful to come back and find homes flooded or looted in the meantime. beyond that, were this one pond to rupture, two others next to it carry about 880 million gallons of water that have been drawn down. officials feel better about where we are now than 48 hours ago. bringing in pumps. national guard air dropped pumps on the top of the stack, they went from 30 million discharged, to hopefully 60 million by tomorrow. the timeline went from 12 days originally, to four or five to have all the water out into the gulf of mexico. every inch reduces pressure on the pond and the risk and
exposure people face. there is also a natural gas facility over my shoulder, connected to a 745-mile long network, it would likely impact service for millions if it were flooded. the company that runs it, gulfstream natural gas system, has no comment. sam brock, nbc news. >> thank you, sam. many group homes for young people are nonprofits, some companies that use tax dollars to help vulnerable children. one company is making millions operating these facilities. but a 2 1/2 year nbc news investigation uncovered some serious problems. we'll show you the results at the top of the hour. kate snow is here with a preview. good evening, kate. >> good evening, joshua. so these are places that are meant to provide care for foster children, kids with mental health or developmental disorders, and youth from the juvenile justice system. but critics say the children
have become commodities. and one state senator from oregon is taking on the company and trying to change the system. >> these are not treatment programs. these are facilities to warehouse and manage kids without any treatment expertise and the goal is to make money, not make kids healthy. >> reporter: sarah gelser, a mother of five, never thought would spend years taking on a multimillion-dollar company. >> the senate committee on human services will come to order. >> reporter: in early 2019, senator geltser discovered the state of oregon had shipped more than 80 kids to facilities out of state. >> they've been placed out of sight and we're going to ensure that they're no longer out of mind. it's the talking points you hear from everyone. don't have the services these high need kids need. >> reporter: so they have to be sent out of state. >> correct. >> reporter: oregon paid
hundreds of dollars a day to have children in facilities run by sequel youth and family services. she started hearing allegations that staff overused restraints, after visiting several facilities, she issued a dire warning to company executives. >> i was very afraid a kid was going to die. >> months later it happened. 16-year-old cornelius frederick died after he was restrained by six adults on the floor of a cafeteria in michigan. >> that's a violent response, what the staff did. and then how long they held him down is shocking to people when they watch it. but it was not shocking to anybody that was in that lunchroom. >> reporter: child advocate daniel hatcher says the physical restraints she was concerned about are not accidental but an intentional way to keep costs down. >> if you might otherwise need staff person with a level of training and skill to deal with a child with difficulties.
if you simply put them in physical restraint, you don't need that level of skill, it makes the job cheaper. >> the use of restraint is only when there's imminent or immediate danger to the client themselves or others. >> reporter: mary ann birmingham is the director of facility management at sequel. are kids safe at your facilities? >> i understand your concern what you've seen with these allegations, i assure you we take every step we can to ensure the safety of those in our care. >> the state of michigan is set to ban the use of restraints in these facilities. sequel calls the death senseless and tragic and fired those involved who they say were in clear violation of policies and training. >> kate, is anything more happening or is that the end of it? >> no, quite a bit. three of the former staffers
involved in the restraint are now charged with manslaughter, their trial is under way in michigan. meantime, there's a civil suit filed by the family of cornelius frederick. and also the state of michigan shut down lakeside academy and they are now making changes to apply to all youth facilities in their state. >> so the facilities deal with at risk youth, can you paint us a clearer picture of the kinds of kids in these facilities, if certain kinds of kids are more at risk in these than others? >> i would say, first of all, the population of kids we're talking about tends to be more children of color, people from disadvantaged backgrounds. they might be foster kids without family, they are wards of the state, kids who have developmental needs or mental health issues. also some kids who come out of the juvenile justice system, depending on which state is sending kids to the sequel
facilities, it can be a range of everything i described, some kids more complex cases than others. >> we'll have your report in a few minutes, but what other kinds of allegations, is it mostly restraints, or are there other problem areas? >> it's everything from the physical buildings, joshua, the facilities kids are kept in. at the top of the hour you are going to hear about alabama and a report done there on horrific conditions, and then goes on to allegations we've heard from numerous people of physical abuse, even sexual assault and abuse, verbal assault and abuse. so a wide range of complaints, and you'll hear from sequel and their defense as well, joshua. >> this is a very dramatic time now in terms of accountability for how we deal with people who tend to fall through the cracks. as soon as i saw restraint on camera, that's obviously in the news with a particular trial out of minneapolis.
so it feels like there's a lot of attention paid to this. i'm glad you're putting attention on this. i look forward to the report. >> thank you. >> nbc's kate snow, "children that pay," please stay with us. it is next, at the top of the hour here on msnbc. next week we're doing an experiment, we are working together to write a gun safety package. last night we asked for your ideas. we got hundreds of them. and some are really good. we'll share a few before we go. after my dvt blood clot... i was uncertain... was another around the corner? or could things take a different turn? i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent
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before i go eat some easter candy, let's read some e-mails. last night we asked you to make your case for gun safety laws you believe people could support. there were some really good ones. william writes, i'm running a gun violence research study in philadelphia. i figure the best way to make changes in society is to make it financially advantageous for rich folks and corporations to be on your side. to that end i would address the insurance aspect, using a side door to achieve the desired result. insurance companies get a tax break or other perk if they raise premiums on gun ownership.
gun ownsers can get bonuses and have strict penalties for falsifying the above, insurance fraud. pam writes instead of making ar-type guns illegal, there should just be a separate and more in-depth license. people enjoy owning guns and collecting guns, and i don't mind if someone who has been vetted wants to own a speciality-type gun. wyatt writes, the law and tools to regulate already exist, the firearms act requires a special kind of license from the atf. the weapons under this classification are seldom used in crimes because of this safety net. reclassification can be done. if this were focused on public safety and social justice it could garner support across party lines.
by requiring a safety training course to obtain a federal concealed carry permit, we can ensure those who exercise their rights are trained. and also responsible. and end the racial disparity that exists in current laws. sharon wrote, legislation that requires mandatory insurance for gun ownership, liability protection parallel to that required for use and operation of every other dangerous object in our society from motorized vehicles to industrial equipment is the answer. as well as a way to cover hospital bills and rehabilitation, and, as is too often the case, funeral costs. from a reform advocate's perspective, getting the insurance industry on the side of sensible reform would transform both the narrative and resources in the fight. it means accepting the role of
guns in american society. and finally, jeff wrote, empower all registered firearms dealers nationwide to transact all firearm sales, public and private. no exceptions. you can't give a car to yo child. you must transfer ownership. a nominal fee per transfer. that would get store and ffl license owners to follow the law. gun owners would be dealing with local business owners. great ideas. we'll dig more next saturday night. we're live on fridays on the peacock app. and we are on msnbc saturday nights 8:00 to 10:00 eastern. sunday nights at 9:00 p.m. i'm joshua johnson. make it a wonderful week. good night. free, free, free. that's right, turbotax free edition is free.
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