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>> get out of the car. >> get out! you are not cooperating at this point right now, you are under arrest for -- you are being detained -- you are being detained. >> -- violation. i do not have to get out. >> really? really? get out of the car now. >> hand off me, please. get your hand off me. hand off me. >> now. >> this is not how you treat a vet -- i am actively serving this country. this is how you are going to treat me. >> back up. >> whoa, hold on. whole on. what's going -- whole on. this is really messed up. my dog is in the back. my dog is choking right now. >> what are you, a specialist. >> i am a lieutenant. >> lieutenant, get out of the car. take off your seat belt and get out of the car. you made it more difficult than it had to be. >> get on the ground or get sprayed again. get on the ground. >> please talk the me and -- get
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on the ground now. >> carry, a second lieutenant in u.s. army corps was detained and handcuffed. he has filed personal lawsuits against the two officers. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins us now. more than 30 minutes of video now out on this lawsuit. what more are we learning right now? >> yeah, richard, this encounter initial will he began when one of those officers from the windsor police department at nighttime on december 5th came into contact with the lieutenant. and he turned on his lights, attempting to pull him over. he said in the police report that the lieutenant did not have a license plate. in fact, the lieutenant says that he did have a temporary license plate that was taped to the window. and he didn't want to initially pull over on the side of the dark highway. and that is why he says that he drove an additional about 100 seconds, a mile and a half, to a nearby gas station that was more
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lit up. and that is where you saw that encounter take place between those two windsor police department officers. and then the lieutenant -- i wanted to let you hear, though, on the back end of this, after already pepper spray was used. after already one of the officers took him dot ground and the lieutenant alleged in this lawsuit that he was repeatedly struck by these officers despite being on the ground and handcuffed. i want to let you hear one of those officers, officers crocker essentially justify the measures that he and the other officer took. >> look, all this was going to be was hey, man, i stopped you. you didn't have a tag. have you got your driver's license, i would have ran and you you would would have been on your way. what would have been a two-minute traffic stop turned into all this. >> as i was telling him, you know, i pulled over to well-lit areas before. and i have never looked out the window and saw guns blazing immediately. >> so the reason we did that is because we followed you for a
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mile and a half with lights and sirens on and you didn't pull over. i understand you want to get to a well lit area, i get that, but when we follow you that long. look at the climate this day, against everybody, against us, against y'all. >> the lieutenant was never criminally charged, never cited for any traffic violation there. despite those justification you hear from congressman -- from the local area, who is calling for federal authorities to investigate. both u.s. senators mark warner as well as tim kaine tweeting to it statements over the last 24 hours saying there need to be answers from the windsor police department. this is -- this video goes on for several minutes. throughout that encounter you consistently hear the lieutenant asking what is going on? why? there was only one point during that initial encounter, richard, in which one of those officers cited a, quote, traffic violation for why they drew
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their arms up and why they ultimately pepper sprayed the man. richard. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard on capitol hill covering that story for us. thanks. week three in the derek chauvin trial starts tomorrow. the question in minneapolis at this hour, will derek chauvin testify? that's splashed across the front page of the great "minnesota star tribune today qug. meghan fitzgerald joins us from outside the courthouse. this question comes up because the trial may shift to the defensive fay this week. >> absolutely right. it is a question that a lot of people want to know. while derek chauvin's attorney eric nelson hasn't said one way or another many legal experts say while it is possible it doesn't seem likely because that move could open derek chauvin up to his own personal record where he has at least as to police conduct complaints against him. but what we are expecting to see this week is for the defense to try to prove its case, that
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george floyd died of an overdose, from the drugs in his system, from the preexisting conditions, and that the bystanders we see in that video prevented him from rendering aid to george floyd. we know in a the defense lickly to call a medical examiner with a lot of experience from the state of maryland who will likely be used to poke holes in the autopsy report. we are also -- we also could see the defense call back a witness that the prosecution used from the minneapolis police department, an officer. and i want you to listen to the back and forth between her and the defense from earlier this week. take a listen. >> if you are trying to be heads doesn't on a patient that you need to render aid to, it's very difficult to focus on that patient while there is other things around you. if you don't feel safe around you. >> so the distraction can actually harm the potential care of the patient? >> yes. >> can the activities, though, of a crowd, the activities of a
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group of onlookers excuse a police officer from the duty to render emergency medical aid to a subject who need it? >> only if they were physically getting themselves involved, i would say. >> if they were physically prevented f the officer was physically prevented from doing it? >> yes, if the officer was being physically assaulted. >> again, the prosecution is expected to end its case early this week, richard, after calling 35 witnesses to the stand. richard? >> lots of eyes watching this. meghan fitzgerald for us in minneapolis. thank you for that. joining us now, brian dunn, managing partner at the cochran firm in california. thank you so much for being with us here today, brian. let's start with the question on the front page. should they have derek chauvin testify? >> it is such an honor to be
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with you richard. that's the question that's vexing the defense right now. everyone is of the opinion it would be a bad idea, that it is not going to happen. i am going the take a different tack. i think the likelihood of chauvin testifying is going up every day because the prosecution is making gigantic strides every day with these witnesses. and a lot of times when you have to do an -- mid-trial and have to have someone testify that's why it would happen. >> i want to ask you about two main points the defense might raise when it's their turn. first eric nelson focusing on narcotics. let's to a lip. >> you reviewed the toxicology of mr. floyd, right? >> yes. >> you would agree that fentanyl is a respiratory depressant? >> that's my understanding, yes. >> and it slows breathing resulting in lower oxygen levels? >> it can, yes.
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>> have you certified deaths as an overdose where the level of fentanyl was similar to the level of fentanyl in mr. floyd? >> yes. >> again, going for one jury member here, creating doubt, right? is this, do you think, when you are thinking of their strategy, how far they might go with this very point on narcotics? >> that's another great point. i think they are going to go as far as they can go. but the issue is, you have had some very compelling testimony from a lot of people who have talked about the concept of causation. what does causation mean? it basically means that but for the actions of this particular law enforcement officer, would this man have died anyway? would george floyd have succumbed anyway to the effects of the fentanyl? and i think when you start looking a the video, combined with the testimony, that's a seriously uphill battle for the defense. >> let's talk about another point that was brought up, quite pointedly here, brian.
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that's the issue of objection yen, and what the prosecution said. >> yes. >> i think the primary mechanism was asphyxia or low oxygen. >> mr. floyd died from a low level of oxygen. >> the adrenaline is going to ask your heart the beat faster, it is going to ask your bed for more oxygen so that you can get through that altercation. and in my opinion, the law enforcement subdual restraint and the neck sfregs was just more than george floyd could take. >> three experts, one after the other, if you are the defense, what do you do? >> the issue is becoming more complex because you have not one, not two, but three medical profession that are now basically preemptively stamping out the main defense in this case, which is a medical defense. i don't think that mr. nelson made a lot of progress in terms of actually casting doubt on the
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validity of their opinions. so in terms of how they are going to approach this, they are going to have to really rely heavily on hoping that their experts are going to win this credibility battle, which is going to be crucial. that's about the most important thing that they are facing right now. >> all right. some touch points for us all to watch out for in the coming week. we also have the new video from karen nazario. your quick reflection on when we saw in this video here. >> it is about escalation. the concept of force is usually psychological. it is about energy, increased anxiety. one of the thing i saw when you played that video, rich, was you have a person in the car who is very calm. all of the energy, the negative energy, the yelling -- >> yeah. >> -- the raising of the anxiety, that's all coming from the law enforcement officers. they are literally working themselves up into a state where it could have turned into a very different situation. and the concept of dealing with
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a suspect during a traffic stop -- a lot of it boils down to the way you talk to the person. you saw these very same officers speaking to this lieutenant in a very calm voice later in the video. they were speaking very rationally. had they employed that simple tone of voice during the initial endown e we would have not even had the situation get to the point that it got. >> all right, brian. thank you so much. brian dunn, managing partner of the cochran firm california. look forward to speaking to you again soon. we will bring you inside the courtroom when the chauvin trial resumes tomorrow and provide analysis of the crucial testimony. stay tuned for that. now, new details on donald trump lashing out during a gop retreat and a lengthy and profane rant at his mar-a-lago resort. mr. trump repeating false claims
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the election was stollen, and lamb pasting dr. anthony fauci, mike pence and mitch mcconnell. even calling the senate minority leader a quote dumb s.o.b. and stone cold loser. we are holding back here. and secretary of state anthony blinken calling out china's handling of the coronavirus pandemic arguing the country's quote failure to cooperate in the early stages that led to the situation getting out of hand. coming up, reaction from congressman mark pocan. first, in washington, infrastructure stays center stage as president biden is set to meet with democrats and republicans tomorrow to discuss his the trillion dollar plan hoping to deal on his promise of bipartisanship. the parties are likely to debate what is infrastructure. >> if they are interested in roads and bridges and highways and perhaps broadband there is a deal to be had. the sort of big, bold, utopian,
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european-style socialism proposal that they have laid out there is something they can try and do another time. >> infrastructure evolves to meet the american people's aspirations. and it's not static. in 1990, we wouldn't have thought that broadband was infrastructure because it wasn't on the scene yet. monica alba live in washington, d.c. for us with the latest from the white house. monica, president biden really hoping here to see some progress with his infrastructure bill by memorial day. what is he doing now -- going to do with so many republicans bound to oppose this bill? and of course, what does infrastructure mean? >> it is notable object the time line there, richard are, the fact that you have transportation secretary pete buttegeig saying the president expects action by the end of next month signals tomorrow is the starting point for the negotiations but there is an informal deadline for them as well before democrats have the decide perhaps what route they want to take to see if they can get this passed.
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tomorrow here at the white house i am told the list is still being finalized of who will attend. it will be lawmakers of both parties, both houses meeting with the president. they are going to. thatter out where they can find common ground. perhaps on the corporate tax height where they want to increase the rate from 21% to 28% but the white house has signalled a willingness to come down to 25% because that's something republicans have said they believe is too high, if it goes all the way up to 28%. what is also notable, you have the biden administration already saying whatever the president proposed in the $2.2 trillion package is going the change. it is not going to pass the way it is laid out. that's not what happened with the covid relief bill where that went through as it was intended from the president's perspective. we got more on that. and pete buttegeig on the sunday san jose this morning defending where this is critical and why they want to get this done as quickly as possible.
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take a listen. >> i think the president will have an open mind and be interested to hear other ideas on every dimension of the package. as he said, doing nothing is not an option. we are going the find the right path. but i think what the president has laid out -- so far, it is still the most specific proposal that we have seen here in washington -- is a really, really well thought-out proposal and that's why america wants it done. >> again, richard, this is a starting point, tomorrow, with this meeting at the white house, the first of a serz, we understand. and then they hope to have progress by memorial day. it was speaker nancy plessy who put july 4th as an indication of when this could potentially be passed. now we are starting to hear from administration officials it could be likely punted to before the august recess. we have had a lot of different infrastructure weeks. now we can gear up for an infrastructure summer. >> pacing, pacing. monica alba, thank you for that. what lies ahead for amazon
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got new details this weekend on president biden's $1.5 trillion partial budget request for next year raising concerns among progressives and defense hawks who have pushed the administration for cuts to the pentagon's $700 billion-plus national security coffers. joining us, mark pocan, a democratic member of the house and labor committees. you released a statement friday. it criticized some of the line items in president biden's proposed budget for 2022, pushing back specifically on giving the pentagon a boost in their budget. share with us your persons on this point? >> first off, you know, i think there is a lot of great things in the budget. there is about a 16% increase in
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a lot of discretionary non-defense spending, things like housing and education and health care. so that's all very good. the problem is, there still was about 1.7% increase in defense spending in a time that i would argue we should have a reduced defense budget. in fact, 50 members of congress asked to have a lower pentagon budget due to the fact that in the last administration, the last four years, in a time of relative peace, we increased the defense budget by 20%. and there is still so little accountability within that that putting even more money into something that doesn't really have the same scrutiny as other taxpayer dollars we think is a mistake. >> where would you cut them from this proposed budget in the pentagon? why would they come from? are there pressure points to push the get decreased defense spending in the final budget? >> there are a lot of areas you could look at. we would leave it up to the defense of department, clearly.
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but we spend a lot with private contractors that cost three or four times what it does for military personnel. we have a number of programs that are outdated that we don't need to do that aren't effective. most recently the f-35s recently having serious issues. but, also, there is just a lot of fraud and waste -- really, waste is the issue. there is a land missile-based system we tried, spent $5 billion on. swend to billion on it, scrapped it and are going the try it again. if you did that in any other department you would have a lot of pushback. but there is very little true accountability on sol of the pentagon dollars. that's the problem we have. we think a lot of that money could be directed to things like housing, education, health care, that people in this country could see a more more direct benefit. >> on the issues of asia as well as the middle east there is a lot of questions and things moving now that they have a new administration. let's get to sound and an
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interview from secretary of state anthony blinken this morning on meet the press and get your reaction on the other side. >> i think -- here's what i think china knows. i think china knows that in the early stages of covid it didn't do what it needed to do, which was in real time give access to international experts, in real time, share information, in real time to provide real transparency. and one result of that failure is that the vaccine -- the virus, excuse me, got out of hand faster and with i think much more egreenlous results than it might other. >> when you look at this representative, tip of the iceberg in terms of international relations and international security when we bring up just the topic of china. your reaction here? >> your point right there is exactly what i have been saying. that's related to health care. we should have more money that goes towards health care to protect not just people in this country, but obviously other countries because otherwise it will spread across our borders. that doesn't mean you have to bloat the pentagon budget
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wasteful spending in order the do that. i completely agree with secretary blinken that we have got to get to all aspects of the covid-19 virus. but that's not necessarily pentagon spending. and i think we could really reuse some of those resources that are geared towards the pentagon and put them towards things like health care, education, housing that would help for americans today marks two weeks since activists in detroit launched a hunger strike in protest of saudi arabia's ongoing blockade in yemen. earlier this week you and other members of congress wrote to the president a letter urging him to take action on the war in that country. what would you like to see happen? >> again, i give the administration a lot of credit. they came out right off the bat and said the u.s. would not be involved with anything in the war with yemen. they are looking at selling arms to saudi arabia. they are delisting hauty as a
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terrorist group as donald trump did. one thing that has been lacking is protecting the main port where most of the food and gasoline come in. because it is so restricted we are back to having starvation conditions in yemen. this is the biggest humanitarian crisis on the planet. we need to do more. that's one more thing that the made to could do, to step in and absolutely help. that's why we wrote that letter. >> before you go i want to get to something that a lot of americans are looking at. that's amazon, right, and whether or not they would unionize. you have had some back and forth with amazon over the past few weeks. what's your reaction to the latest on the failed unionization efforts from workers in alabama? and your thoughts here as well, what does the outcome of that vote tell but what might be next? >> two things. one, it just shows how off our labor laws are and how much they have changed in just a few years, and why we have to pass pro act in congress to give workers that ability to have a
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fair fight, again, to have a voice in their workplace through a union. right now it is heavily stacked for any company. almost any company that opposes a union wins these days under the stack rules. we have the free those up for fair for workers. that's one thing. two, i think out of this, we real that amazon has lot of working condition issues for their workers. as you know, the high-profile i think battle we had on twitter was whether or not workers literally have so little time to go to the bathroom they have had to urinate in bottles. at first amazon samd that's a crazy notion. within a week or so they said okay, busted, you are right. that's not the kind of working conditions that anyone should have to go through. that's why workers are looking for things like a union at companies like amazon and frankly, other companies across the country. >> representative pocan from the state of wisconsin appreciate your time today. have a good sunday. >> absolutely. thank you, richard. covid surge. up next why cases are on the
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now to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. a shocking poll case 51% of americans who do not plan to get vaccinated will travel sooner than people who have or will get vaccinated. also today, as vaksz nations in the u.s. move forward, anthony blinken says the u.s. will soon help the rest of the world fight the virus. >> i think we have a significant responsibility spchlt we are going to be the world leader in making sure the entire world gets vaccinated. a top official in china admits the efficacy of the country's vaccines is quote not high. they are considering mixing vaccines to the to give ate boost. almost half of all covid
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infections can be found in five states, new york, michigan, florida, pennsylvania and new jersey. corey kaufman joins me from new jersey. how concern ready health officials there about a possible, again, another wave. >> richard, this is something that is high on their radar. i mean from those five states, 44% of the cases. but they make up just 22 percent of the population. there is a clear correlation here. they are looking at several fact oars as to what could be driving surges in these states. one is the uk variant is driving infections to grow faster than vaccinations are going out. an official here told me this. >> we don't know if it is people letting their guard down, being in larger groups because of the holidays, maybe even some travel. it's hard for us to know until patients tell us. and it seams like it is the
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family gatherings and the family travel. it's difficult for the staff. you know, when we went through the pandemic, everybody was working on adren little. we've got this, let's get through it, the second wave, okay, we can manage. now thatter with seeing upticks after each holiday, it is taxing. it is exhausting and it is a lot to ask of the staff. >> i could hear her change in energy when i asked her that question about how the staff is doing amongst all of this. it is really a long term thing here. more than a year now. this is now the fourth wave or potentially the fourth wave, richard. they say the treatments that they are offering here, the monoclonal antibody are really helping. the stepped up vaccination effort, which we hear more and more about is going to be key. supply continues to be a challenge. the white house has said despite the surge in certain states, their not going to be sending specific extra supplies of
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vaccines to those states in response to the surges. but they are going to keep it based on population density. how much people live in each state. otherwise it is too much of a playing catchup factor. they don't know if we are already in a fourth wave but they do know the vaccination also at least help tamp it town if we are. >> corey kaufman for us in knowledge. let's get over to california. the governor this, newsom announcing plans to reopen the state fully after a drop in hospitalizings and number of cases. we go to santa cruz, california. from the likes of thick, typically this time of the year folks want to get out. looks that i can that is what we are seeing. >> indeed, we are. it is interesting for the businesses here. richard, as you know, this is a place that relies very heavily on tourism. this talks about reopening the state fully by june 15th is, you
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will forgive a bad pun, a shot in the arm. case in point is the santa cruz boardwalk behind me. last year they lost the full season basically for the first time in their 114-year history. they did not do their normal seasonal hire. they are now back. they reopened, actually, last thursday. and with a lot of restrictions. so far, those restriction also go away when the state fully reopens. but to move so quickly from overloaded hospitals and shutdowns to this -- well, for the people here, it's forced them to improvise. >> yeah, it's not a typical part of my job description you about i will be working today along size the president of our company. and our ceo, who is in his 70s and has worked at the boardwalk since he was a teenager put on the uniform and came out and helped us operate ride as well. it is really a collective
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evident to reopen. we are all willing to roll up our sleeves and do whatever is necessary the provide a great environment for our guests and equally keep everyone safe and healthy. >> we are hearing this from other businesses as well, there is really a scramble to get workers. there are of course worse problems to have. this could turn, as we all know, and as we've seen in the northeast -- here's what has to happen, according to governor newsom's plan announced last week. there needs to remain sufficient vaccine supply. hospitalizations need to remain low. right now we have got about 2,100 people in hospitals. comparing to 21,000 in january. the variants, they need to keep those isolated and keep them slowed down. there will still be restrictions like the mask mandate. vaccinationwise the state is doing well. they open to all adults on thursday, the 15th. right now half of all california's adults received at least one shot.
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a quarter are fully vaccinated, including 57% of seniors. right now things are move in the right direction in california. but we have all seen through this past year how quickly things can turn. >> we have said so many times hoping for the best, plan forth the worst. there in santa cruz, california, nbc's scott cohen. could historic and controversial changes be coming to the supreme court? the new move from the white house. that's next. that's next. and me...the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection. gillette proglide. five blades and a pivoting flexball designed to get virtually every hair on the first stroke. so you're ready for the day with a fresh face for a fresh start. for a limited time get a 5th cartridge free. [laugh] dad i got a job! i'm moving out. [laugh] dream sequence ending no! in three, no!
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welcome back. with congress back in session
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tomorrow, president biden will be shifting his folk to us infrastructure again. it comes after the president signed a flurry of executive action this is past week focused on other major campaign promises like gun safety and the supreme court. joining us now, eugene daniels, and -- -- jeff, we will start with you on this one. you reported on biden's executive order on guns. but he can only do so muches a you know from the white house. what's are your thoughts? does the president's action go far enough to satisfy gun controlled a votes and of course his democratic base. >> i spoke to a handful of gun control advocates last week, they were largely complimentary about what the president is. one of them said to me, the most important thing president biden said today, this was on thursday, is that there is more to come. the white house is saying that. jen psaki said that from the podium, and the president signalled that as well. what he did on thursday was
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unveil some executive actions with regard to ghost guns, for example, with regard to funding for communities. certainly, to get to your question, richard, advocates want to see a lot more is see the potential for a lot more coming from the white house. they also have a deadline. one person saying to me they expect them -- them being the white house in this case, to take action, more action this year. >> speaking of which, eugene, let's listen to what congressman david cicilliny said earlier today on the issue. then we'll get your response. >> common sense gun safety legislation is bipartisan. it is supported by american people all across the country. the only place it appears not to be bipartisan is in the republican cloak room in washington. so, really, it's a question of congress responding to the demand of the american people that we do all that we can in a bipartisan way to reduce gun violence in this country. >> eugene, biden calling on congress to take action, but when you look at the executive
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order route he has been taking so far, is it because he's not confident simply that legislation, or significant legislation could get passed through congress? >> it is tricky to convince people that you think congress is going to do something but then say you are signing this executive order and more to come. >> right. >> it is a hard message to wrap your hand around because the congressman there is not right. congress hasn't acted on this issue in a very long time. and as jeff said advocates want more, they want more very quickly. some of the gun control safety advocates tell me they for the first time in a long time feel hopeful not just because people are paying attention not just pause president biden said this is going to be a key issue for him but because the nra has been hit with scandal after scandal recently. earlier this year they filed for bankruptcy. so they are feeling like their opposition to get something passed on congress is on its heels in a way that they haven't
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been before. you know, while they are pushing the president to do whatever he can and congress to do more, they are feeling more emboldened than they have before the see something. it is frankly hard the satisfy movement despite how popular something like background dmeks are. in the senate what ten republicans do you get the sign on to something like that is that signing on to something and seeing where the president of this administration might go. another order is creating a commission the look at the potential consequences of changing the size of the supreme court. he is making good on a campaign promise thatway all heard many times. -- that we all heard many times, maybe. jeff, does it change anything? >> one thing, in that it shows that he's doing something. that was a promise, as you referred to, richard, that he made during the campaign. in many ways it is reaching out an arm to the progressive base that has been pushing for that. it was interesting to see some of their reactions when he did this last week.
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one group saying we don't need a six month mission, we need the president to take objection right now. but it is something. it is a step and gives him time, wiggle room with the six month deadline that the commission you no has essentially to put it off then to see what they recommend and go from there. >> eugene, you wrote about another important topic as we move into the new administration, the topic of civil rights and moving on it without congress, but as we know, his legacy is certainly going to depend on this. you said this, quote, three months into his presidency biden is adopting a more aggressive strategy using blunt rhetoric, executive actions and federal agencies to advance a civil rights agenda around the margins. so when you look at this, eugene, what's the benefit of his strategy so far that you have seen as opposed to maybe going through congress, again, going it alone at the start. >> we are seeing a theme here, right. >> exactly. >> the biden administration is
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kind of employing, whether they want to or not. you know, on civil rights, on racial justice issues, on voting rights, during the campaign, during the primary, everyone knows -- we saw it happen in south carolina that black voters kind of brought his campaign back to life. >> uh-huh. >> he has said that black voters saved hip. he talked about it on his victory night, that he had his back and that he would have theirs. so there is a lot of pressure for him to doing? . right? people kind of understand that what is happening in congress, with voting rights, with the filibuster and all of those things, how republicans aren't very interested in passing hr-1 and probably won't be interested in hr-4, the john lewis voting rights act. but he is getting pressured to do something. they are nibbling around the edges doing everything that they can. we saw when he voiced support for the major league -- sorry. baseball moving the all-star
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game out of georgia. and the same thing with this department of transportation invoking the civil rights act to halt a tech highway that officials said was going to have an impact on black people. there are things they are doing. i think they are going to continue to do that while hoping and praying that congress kind of gets its act together. and every single advocate and activist that i have talked to about civil rights and voting rights say that this is his legacy, right? he is someone who promised to do something for black people in this country. if it doesn't happen, that's bad for him moving forward. >> thank you so much. always great to talk to eugene daniels, coauthor of political playbook, jeff mason, white house correspondent for reuter's. always great to see both of you. what it was like to be in the middle of it all on january 6th. one journalities's story when we come back. ice t, stone cold calling on everyone to turn to cold washing with tide. ♪ this is a cold call! ♪
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friday, it marks the 100 days since the insurrection on capitol hill. today there is new insight on what happened in the hours after the fighting began. a previously undisclosed document were the pentagon obtained by the the associated s reveals vice president mike pence pleaded with military officials to clears the building hours before the order was actually restored. it also shows the chaos among a few white house aides, leaders of congress and pence responding while former president trump did nothing. joining us an independent reporter in the middle of it all back in january. cynthia, professor of education and sociology and author of "hate in the homeland" the new global far right. brendan, you were filming this. you were there in the middle of it. you may have had the opportunity to read this associated press report. tell us what the memory that sticks out for you on that day now that we're hitting 100 days
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and if you see the report just the back and forth that was happening behind the scenes. >> yeah. i just remember it being such a chaotic day and things escalated so quickly there, it seemed that just minute by minute things just got more and more intense, things were constantly changing and so i saw a little bit of this report, i haven't had time to dig into all the details but i'm not surprised to see that there was some sort of back and forth there, people debating what to do because on the ground, seeing the real-time reaction the way that the police were responding where they decided to put additional reinforcements versus sort of sending officers away or backing off, there was a lot of just sort of mixed reactions and responses as the crowd got further to the building and ultimately once they breached into the building. >> this is what we do, we keep looking at the video it's 100 days later, and as you've reviewed your video on what
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you've reported over the days and weeks, what are you seeing about it differently today? >> well, i just think the intensity of it and perhaps the way that police weren't really prepared for what was to come and the way that they didn't have the same sort of reinforcements set up you would have seen for other demonstrations, you know, really seeing how quickly things were able to unfold and how quickly it was able to go to people first descending on the capitol to physically getting inside the building, seeing reports like this, reinforce a lot of what was witnessed on the ground in terms of clearly like authorities were not on the same page in terms of like a universal response. it was definitely not something where it appeared that like, you know, chain of command was clearly, you know, implementing orders on the ground were leading to any results pushing anybody back. that took several hours.
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. >> several hours. krien any ya, as i was looking through the report here, basically four hours we all felt like 40 days. when you look back and you've seen the report from the associated press what are you seeing differently today? >> well, i think today there is an understanding that of just how chaotic it was and the failures were to connect the intelligence reporting that did exist with the on the ground officers and command and so i think there's a reckoning there. i think we're seeing a reckoning of how many veterans were there and present and we've already seen the stand downs from the military. finally i think there's some conversations happening, although not as many as i would like to see, about the need to not just see this as an issue of extremism but as a problem in the mainstream and the need for deeper kind of education and preventative approaches and not just a reliance on law
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enforcement as we're going to see this continuing escalation. those are the kinds of trends i feel like we've seen over the last 100 days. >> how big is the energy of the fwlup that were there for the insurrection versus 100 days ago? >> well, we're having -- on some level it's fragmented, right. so there was -- never was a single group there, but there was a successful coalition for the first time in the far right's history really in the state. they tried to unite around charlottesville and what was called the unite the right rally and they failed and really have never been able to come together across the white supremacist spectrum, the unlawful militias, a wide variety of groups and unaffiliated not card-carrying members of groups, those individuals were there too. some ways this was the first time that's happened and what we have seen since is very typical i think which is some people worried about surveillance don't
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want to be engaged in plotting or planning and others who feel like this was a tremendous success and they're applauding and celebrating it and feeling like this was the courageous act of heroes. >> 30 seconds to you, brendan. you've been covering recent far right protests. what have you learned? >> it seems there's been a reaction to the event of changing the tactics and not making as much of a public presence. it seemed a lot more organization in the open in the days and weeks that were prior to this but since then, there has been as cynthia mentioned, fragmentation, some embracing, others that believe things have gone too far and you see some sort of, you know, reaction to that changing what they might do going forward and we'll just see how that evolves and plays out in real time. >> all right. thank you both for sharing your thoughts.
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brendan, independent reporter, cynthia, from american university, professor there, appreciate your time. nbc news will dig deep near the roots of american extremism within the united states and you'll hear firsthand how families of those involved in those movements are working to help their loved ones to exit the extremism. look for those reports this week. be sure to watch richard engel's special "our house" a look at the insurrection through the eyes of the attackers. i'm richard louie in for alex with. yasmin vossoughian picks it up in the next hour. in the next hour our flight is early tomorrow. and it's a long flight too. once we get there, we will need... buttercup! ♪
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