tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC April 12, 2021 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
in brooklyn center, minnesota which resulted in mr. wright's death. he was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest. we have seen the body cam footage from the officer who says taser taser, taser. and then shoots mr. wright and says oh bleep, i shot him. that officer has been identified, her name is kimberly potter she is a 26 veteran of the police force. she has been put on administrative leave. the mayor of the brooklyn center has called for her to be fired but as of yet, she has been on live and has not been we are watching this tonight. relieved of her job. we are watching this tonight. there is a curfew in effect, there is there has been a curfew that has been called in there is a curfew in effect, the counties and that much route politan area but it hasn't done anything to keep this increasingly tense there is there has been a curfew that has been cold in the counties and that much brooklyn center from unfolding. route politan area but it hasn't done anything to keep our live coverage continues this increasingly tense brooklyn center from unfolding. now with the last word, our live coverage continues now with the last word, lawrence o'donnell hosting. lawrence o'donnell hosting. good evening lawrence. good evening lawrence. >> thank you rachel, we're going to continue the live coverage and we're go to ron >> thank allen in just a minute. you rachel we're going to continue to live coverage.
also we're going to be going to run thank you for your live allen in just a. minute coverage rachel i appreciate thank you for your live coverage in just a minute it. we're going to begin tonight. will in brooklyn center, minnesota begin tonight in just a minute where protesters have gathered where protesters have gathered, in the cities near the city's in the city's--near the city's police headquarters. police headquarters. we are joined by ron allen who is there at the scene. ron, what is the latest situation there? >> well, lawrence, we have a low at the moment. where we are here, we're down the street from the police station just a little ways. you can see there in the distance but the crowd is sort of left this area has gone back there standing in front of the police again. standing face to face in the standoff that has been going on for hours now, and they are not leaving. for the last half hour, there was an exchange back and forth with tear gas. the protesters were setting off fireworks. we could see some things being thrown over the fence there and now you can see here in the distance, people are starting to run this way again. here they come.
and i can see a big plume of smoke over the courtyard, the front yard, in front of the police headquarters there. i don't smell any irritant in the air at the moment but again, this is been going on all night. periodically, the police cut out and announced that there is a curfew. people need to disperse and go home. they are not doing that, they're staying out here. they're angry, they're upset. they don't like the explanations are getting from the police about what happened. that the officer mistook or somehow thought she was firing a taser and instead fired a weapon. but the boy, the young man, had been stopped for a vehicle infraction because his license plates were expired. it's something that people find just completely unacceptable. so here we are. they want the officer fired, the mayor has also called for that. the police chief has said that they're going to have to process but the bottom line is at this point, this has gone back and forth.
there has been some ebbed and some flow. the crowd has gotten larger and smaller as the night has gone on. now, again, after leaving the front of the police station they are now back there and this is all about the police to some extent. if they let the people stand there and protest, will they do that or as they did last night and earlier tonight, will they fire tear gas and try to disperse them? last night there were rubber bullets as well and flash bangs. it was very violent. we are on hold. we are waiting. we are seeing. the bottom line is, people are angry. they're not leaving here, they're not going. >> ron allen thank you for the report will come back to throughout the hour as the news develops, thank you very much ron. >> one police officers reached for their guns they are usually terrified. that calm and confident cop in the movie and tv shows who furiously jumps into gun battles, they are the fever dreams of hollywood
screenwriters and directors and actors who have no idea just how terrified real cops are when they reach for their guns. that is why police reach for their guns, because they are afraid. sometimes they should be afraid because they are facing a deadly threat to their lives but sometimes, like all of us, they are overreacting to their fears. and tonight, we are covering two of those stories at the beginning and at the end of this hour two stories of police overreacting to their own fears at the end of the hour we'll see the video that emerged in virginia this weekend showing terrified police officers angry, terrified police officers with their guns drawn aimed at a completely law-abiding army lieutenant who was driving home with his dog in the back of his suv and did absolutely nothing wrong. but he was driving while black and that seem to be enough to get him pulled over by two small town police officers and virginia with guns drawn on him and screaming at him.
the victim of that police abuse is alive tonight. daunte wright is not. an autopsy report was released today saying his it was a homicide and cause of death was the single gunshot wound to the chest. this cost clashes tonight with the police in minnesota and we're seeing that tonight, a night that has become all too familiar with minnesota since the police killing of george floyd there last year. one of the jurors in the trial of -- which completed its 11th day today is living under that curfew tonight, and that minneapolis suburb of brooklyn center where daunte was shot and killed by a police officer yesterday. the curfew went into effect at 7 pm that night. the chief of the brooklyn center police force said today that when he showed, he said this today when he showed
police body cam video of the shooting that the killing of daunte wright was an accident. the chief identified the officer who fired the shot as a woman who is a senior officer in the department. she has now been identified as kim potter. she is a 26 year veteran of the police department. the police chief said she thought she was reaching for her taser, and intended to fire her taser at daunte wright but instead fired her gun. and so with the chief described today was, in effect, another deadly demonstration that police training does not work. that police experience does not work. 26 years of experience is not enough. we need police training in deadly force to work for everyone who takes that training, just like we need pilot training to work for everyone who is trained as a pilot. because with police training
and pilot training, if it doesn't work, people die. and this police officer, like every police officer, was fully trained on the difference between reaching for a gun and reaching for a taser but in the moment when it counted on the street under that self-imposed pressure, all of her training disappeared. >> the officer drew their handgun instead of their taser. for informational purposes, we train with our handguns on our dominant side and our taser on our weak side so if you are right handed you carry your firearm on your right side and you carry your taser on the left. this is done purposefully. as i watched the video and listened to the officers commands, it is my belief that the officer had the intention to deploy their taser but instead shot mr. wright with a single bullet. this appears to me, from what
i've viewed and the officer's reaction in distress immediately after, that this was an accidental discharge that resulted in a tragic death for mr. wright. >> the police chief said that he was pulled over because of the expired license and they discovered the additional crime of air fresheners hanging on the rearview mirror which is apparently against the law in minnesota and then the officer discovered that there was an outstanding warrant for daunte wright for a misdemeanor. so these misdemeanors are why the police decided to make their move on daunte wright that ended in his death. daunte wright called his mother, katie wright just as the police pulled him over yesterday afternoon at the location where her son was shot and killed. katie wright said this. >> there he said that they pulled him over because of the air fresheners hanging in the mirror. i heard the police officer
coming and saying put the phone down and get out the car, and daunte said why? and he said we'll explain to you if you get of the car and i heard the police say daunte don't run. a minute later i called in his girlfriend answer which is the passenger in the car and said that she had been shot. >> the police chief decided to release the body cam video today as soon as possible. he said the state investigators did not want the video released so early, but he believed the community had a right to see it. this network has a carefully considered policy on showing video of people killed by the police including the video introduced in the trial of derek chauvin. the network policy almost never allows us to show the entirety of such video because it's so disturbing to see and many interview have told me personally how disturbing such videos are for you to see and so this video is unedited up to the point where the gunshot is fired and then the video frame freezes but the audio continues and you will hear what the
>> i'm not doing nothing. i'm not doing nothing. >> taser, taser, taser. >> i just shot him. >> joining us now kirk burkhalter at the new york law school where he is the director of the police project of -- law enforcement alliance. both at former and ypg police defective's. let me begin with the press festive brick halter and your reaction to what we're seeing at that video and the police chief's interpretation today of that video of what she said afterwards that this was an accident, reaching, thinking she's reaching for the taser when she's reaching for the
gun. >> sure, lawrence. thank you and i would like to focus on the word accident. under the law, even if one doesn't necessarily intend to do something however if they do something negligently, they do it recklessly, meaning they repeat that action and have the same results while you can be culpable and in fact that is no longer an accident. and we have seen repeatedly that there is a difference in how the force is administered by police departments against people of color and with respect to others. so at what point does it stop being an accident? i can understand the chiefs approach with regards to this individual incident, but we hear this over and over. oops, i'm sorry. oops, it's an accident. but it only happens in one segment of society. this was a low level misdemeanor arrests and whether force should be used, perhaps that's a discussion for another day but at the end of the day, we consistently see death, dismemberment, serious injury, over low level arrests.
not the crime of the century. that is not an accident, it's a form of bias. arguably, you cannot train or educate that away. that is something that someone brings with them to that police department so perhaps the first stop on this training is identifying those who harbor those form of biases and perhaps this is simply not the job for them. because that is what leads to these types of accidents. there is a difference, based on who a person is and we saw this in the george floyd trial. we are seeing it now. as to the reason of the escalation of force. that reason, quite often, is based on who that person is and for some reason that person is more of a threat because it is a young black man. so it's quite disturbing to watch the excuse that it's an accident and we can certainly discuss the technicalities of how someone could possibly
mystic a nine millimeter handgun for a taser. balancing the materials and so forth and color. the word accident here seems wildly inappropriate when this young man has been killed. >> marq claxton, how would you describe what you've seen in that video? >> well to tell you the truth lawrence it seems that we have collectively, as a black community, have stuck the bill murray character where you get caught in this time loop of repetition so day after day you're stuck in the same area of incidents and occurrences. over the past couple of weeks, we've had discussions about critical decision-making processes, about the proportionality, use of force, the use of force continuum which quite frankly as kurt alluded to, should be called the coat of color continuum at this point. but too often the guidelines, the continuum's, the rules and
regulations, even the law are just no match for toxic police culture which is propped up by bias both implicit and explicit bias, intolerance, and racism. and all too often, it leads to completely avoidable interactions and even worse, fatal encounters. this is not the first time that you have a police officer allege that this is because of the chief indicates that he was staying out of the investigation, gave this quote unquote, excuse if you will. but when you think about it, same situation. there was another case were a violent deputy sheriff in oklahoma and the same kind of, quote unquote, excuse of a fatal shooting. what's the common denominator? a black victim. so we have to examine the realities and what it is that we're facing and get out of this time loop and this
repetition and escape from our groundhog day nightmare. >> professor burke alter, almost all deaths in automobiles are as a result of accidents but some of those are ruled to be manslaughter because of recklessness and other factors. where is the line here in this kind of conduct between accident and manslaughter? >> the line here with regard to manslaughter, quite often depending on the state, maybe a criminal negligence standard. so if a prosecutor can prove that someone should have known that their actions might have a particular result if they were not careful or if they didn't know if they were not careful
and their actions did have a particular results and that lead to death it could be a manslaughter charge. however that is what's so difficult about why resources for manslaughter because moving what they should've known and what they did know this goes back to how they were trained and so forth because as we have seen in the trial of derek chauvin and it was so easy to see the trial of george floyd but it's derek chauvin, because he is the one on trial, that the litany of police officers who were responsible for the training. that is to demonstrate that derek chauvin's actions were reckless. that he should have known the result of danger that could occur. but that trial is an outlier which is why it's difficult to prosecute these cases and what's someone should have known. in this case, the position of where to carry the taser or where to carry the firearm certainly might lead to some form of charge of manslaughter but a lot remains to be seen and it's really dependent on
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been in and around the police station for the last several hours and the curfew has been in effect for several hours here but you can still see quite the crowd behind me. i know it's dark, but there are several hundred people here that are gathered around the intersection of the brooklyn center police department, just where those lights are in the distance, lawrence. that's where a crowd of at least 100 police officers and national guardsmen have been advancing for the last 15 or 20 minutes or so, essentially clearing block by block using tear gas to do so as they have inched their way towards our location here. i'm standing in a parking lot of a strip mall that was vandalized and looted last night. we are seeing that happen again and we were told by several people here that are doing that saying that don't turn that camera around on us, you don't want to do that. so at this point in time, excuse us. you can see that people are having issues with a tear gas being used here.
but right now, a significant law enforcement presence in place and it looks to stay that way for at least the time being. one of our biggest concerns here is getting in between the protesters and the police here. we heard the governor say earlier, tim wallace of minnesota say that you can mourn the loss of daunte wright but anyone trying to take advantage of the situation will not be tolerated. we are witnessing that firsthand now as they make their way towards this area. the looting that is happening right now let's just take a quick look around here. let's show people the scope of where everyone is gathered right now. we witnessed these people break into these windows, walk into these stores within the past hour and essentially take whatever they wanted to. every when you see crowded on that sidewalk essentially has whatever they want to at their disposal with these stores.
i know i spoke to local business owners here who owned a nearby gas station said that are you gonna be closing down early ahead of tonight? he said no, i'm actually having extra family members come here and we're gonna stay inside or shop and try to protect it if possible. he is absolutely concerned that they are going to have to deal with some of the damage firsthand and that really is the fear here as the night goes on. this is a community that remembers all too well what happened following the death of george floyd. they are still very much feeling from that and so whenever i was at a vigil for daunte wright earlier this evening, there were repeated calls saying morn his life but don't do any more damage to this area. there is a lot of debate on who is doing what, however i can tell you that this is a different group than those i gathered with earlier today who remember the life of that 20 year old man. and again just taking one look back around at the police station here, lawrence, those lights in the distance those that is right in front of the police station here.
at this time, we know that a national guardsmen and police are now standing in front of that. they have not made their way any closer to us, hopefully that is a safe perimeter for them at this point in time and i can tell you that right now, with that curfew in effect they will be clearing this area at some point. it's just a matter of one. lawrence. >> morgan cheskey, thank you for that live report. will be coming back to the scene as the news develops there tonight, thank you morgan. well today on day 11, just ten miles away from where morgan sheskey is now. on day 11 on the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd the prosecution rested its case after calling more witnesses. something that minnesota law allows the victims families to do in murder trials. the defense did not ask any questions to george floyd's brother. cardiologist doctor jonathan rich testified that heart disease had nothing to do with the death of george floyd. he saw that george floyd died
because the police crushing his body against the pavement to deprived him of oxygen. >> george floyd died from a cardiopulmonary arrest. it was caused by low oxygen levels and those low oxygen levels were induced by the prone restraint in positional exfoliation that he was objected to. i believe that mr. george floyd's death was absolutely preventable. >> were there critical points in time during his subdual and restraint on the ground when you feel measures could have or should have been taken? >> yes i do. there were several junctures, actually. >> will you tell us about those? >> sure. well the first of course was to not subject him to that initial prone restraint positioning that he was subjected to. i mean, that is first and
foremost so if that was not the case i don't think he would have died. >> the final witness for the prosecution today was a former police officer who is now a law professor in an expert in police use of deadly force. professor seth stockton testified that derek chauvin was using force was that he should've known was deadly force and that force was unreasonable. >> do you have an opinion to a degree of reasonable professional certainty as to whether the defense use of force whereby he does trained mr. floyd in that position for nine minutes and 29 seconds on may 25 2020, was reasonable as viewed by a reasonable police officer on the scene? >> yes. >> and what is that opinion? >> no reasonable officer would have believed that that was an appropriate acceptable, or reasonable use of force. >> and was the force, did the force, was the force unreasonable as it started and
as it ended? >> from the time it was initiated and throughout its duration, yes. >> and finally do you have a degree, sorry, an opinion to a degree of professional certainty as to whether the defendant appropriately rendered medical aid to mr. george floyd on may 25, 2020 in accordance with generally accepted police practices? >> i do, yes. >> and what is that opinion? >> the failure to render aid to mr. floyd both by taking him out of the position and rendering aid as his increasing medical distress was unreasonable and contrary to generally accepted police practices. >> thank you very much, professor. no further questions, your honor. >> back with us, law professor kirk burkhalter and marq claxton, both former nypd detectives. mark the final testimony today, the sequence including the cardiologist saying absolutely
no condition contributing to the death and it was all results of the police force used against him and then like you, a former police officer and now turned law professor like kirk saying at this force, this use of deadly force was completely unreasonable. >> well, it's quite clear that the prosecutors are trippling down, not even doubling down, but tripling down and they want to make it explicitly clear about what caused the death of mr. floyd. it's quite clear about that so both the medical experts and the use of force expert was very clear and convincing and really defined their positions. and also it should be noted that the job throughout the course of the trial that jerry blackwell has done, has been exemplary because he allows redirect the witnesses and he has such a tone that is very confident and reassuring so i think that will resonate with
the jurors as it has with me not being a legal expert. >> kirk, i have to say that i have never seen in a police case like this i have never seen a prosecution case go in more flawlessly and more fully than this has. >> i would have to agree, lawrence. and this really came through today so what we saw today, the prosecution reinforce the two things that had to prove and reinforced the one thing that it really wants the resonate with the jury. the two things the prosecution had to prove first of all was causation, right? had it not been the for the actions of derek chauvin, than george floyd would still be alive. and that is what we heard the cardiologist testify to. who was, by the way, an excellent witness who was able to take quite complex subject matter and explain it to the jury. the other thing they had to prove was that this was unreasonable. the actions of derek chauvin
were unreasonable and therefore unjustified, not justified. that was the final witness. and finally, what they wanted the jury to remember and as you mention, this is very much unique to minnesota that george floyd was a person with all his flaws, with all his good attributes, he is a human being just like all of us with all our flaws and positive attributes and he was a brother and his son and so forth, and that was a testimony from his brother so the prosecution really put those three nails, so to speak, in their argument and that is what the jury is left with prior to starting the argument. >> and marq, the essential point they need to make to this minnesota jury is that what you are seeing derek chauvin do isn't reasonable not necessarily from the perspective of the jurors themselves or from individuals
out there watching, but it's unreasonable from an experienced police officers perspective and that is the perspective that they were using today. >> right, and they made that point very clearly during the testimony about what is the level of expectation that is a reasonable standard of itself, so i think the prosecution has done an exemplary job at presenting that and even breaking it down and making it impactful to lead persons like myself and i am sure that the jurors are being impacted by the same things as well. i can't imagine beyond the hyphotical case, with the defenses prepared to do. but i am sure that whatever the defense does, it will be in a shirt timeframe and the
prosecutors will have an opportunity to really beat back some of the most ridiculous assertions, which i'm sure they are going to make. >> also, entering into the testimony today from the police expert was that george floyd at no point represented a threat. he kept -- they kept showing individual points on while he was being held down is he a threat now? is he a threat now? and at no point was he a threat. the big suspense going into the presentation of the defense case is, will the defendant testify? the most important question that the defense has the answer can only be answered by the defendant but in this defense, you run a lot of risk by putting him on the witness stand. >> i just cannot imagine derek chauvin testifying. if i'm the prosecutor and on cross, i am willing to play that video and i am going to stop it every five seconds and ask him, what were you thinking here? what were you thinking here? and i want that jury to see how long his knee was on george floyd's neck. the only possible way he might testify is if he feels that the defense feels that he has
absolutely nothing to lose. you know, it's unlikely, but those things have happened. remember that he does not, the defense does not have to prove the derek chauvin is innocent. did the defense only has to prove that he is not guilty by a reasonable doubt and make that argument, rather. because the prosecution must prove that. and you can expect the defense to come in during their closing summation with a timeline, or rather a number line that goes from zero to 100 and shows how far close to 100 beyond a reasonable doubt is. so i don't see him testifying, i think it's a last-ditch effort. i think that would just be food for the prosecution. >> kirk burkhalter and marq claxton, once again i really appreciate it. we're going to continue to cover the situation at the brooklyn center in minnesota live where people are protesting a police killing yesterday of 20 year old daunte wright. msnbc's ron allen is joining us
now. ron, where are you and what is the latest? >> we're still on the same place, lawrence. we are at about 100 yards or so from where the police station is but in the last half hour or so, the police have started a boom. they are trying to clear the street in front of the police headquarters and they brought in what looks like a big armored vehicle and the police have made a line across this wide boulevard. what they are trying to do is push the protesters back down this area and we have heard people in the crowd urging everyone to stand tall, to stand strong and not move away. it's about nutrition. the police are trying to wear them down essentially. we don't see much tear gas lately, we've heard reports of rubber bullets but we have not seen any of them on this side of the crowd. but what you can't see is way down the other side of the street the police also seemed
to be pushing in the other direction. they are basically trying to create a big open space in front of the police headquarters to try and make sure that their officers are safe and that the headquarters are safe and to try and get the crowd to disperse but again, people are not going home. the people we talked to here say that they are determines and we can hear now in the distance one more warning. we hear these periodically. the police are telling people that they are in violation of the curfew which happened at 7:00 pm local time here, several hours ago. but people we talked to are determined to stay out here. this is how they feel if they're going to get justice for this family, for this latest family in the situation. and of course obviously there's a lot of emotion, a lot of passion. also lawrence i can tell you this direction over here if you look over there, you can still see that there are people at the dollar tree store and some of the other stories along
here. it is open season. it's a big parking lot and people have just been going in, taking what they want and leaving. let's look this way because if we point the camera that way, people will get very angry. bottom line is, the standoff continues, lawrence. people are not going home and they are determined to outlast the police and the police are gradually, slowly, pushing. we just heard a couple of loud explosions. i can see the smoke. where is my gas mask? where is the gas mask? emily? we see a big lot of gas. let's move back, let's move back, let's move back. let's move back. let's move back. >> let's move back. >> i hate this. >> let's move back.
>> people are very emotional. people are very emotional. it seems like the police have really made a big move, lawrence. i can see a big police vehicle that have moved away, they've made a big push in the last couple of minutes and as you can see now people are trying to figure out what to do next. the protesters are trying to figure out what to do next. >> all right, all right. i hear you, i hear you man. >> ron do we have any -- >> yes lawrence? >> i was just going to ask about the size of the crowd. do we have any estimate of that?
>> it was several hundred people, but it's getting dispersed. the police are being very aggressive and they are pushing. we need to move way back, guys. we need to move way back. we need to move way back. watch. watch. watch. the crowd now is really dispersed. the other direction, i can see some police cars. they are threatening to arrest people. we don't think they have made any arrests at all tonight but that may be ending now and i can also see over there where they're moving and trying to protect some of the stores and businesses that were being robbed and looted. now you can see behind me that the street is pretty empty. you can see the line of police
there now with the illuminated vests, the yellow vests trying to move cars out but this area is now the parking lot you can see the police lined as well. they pushed out at least 100 yards from police headquarters and you can see advancing slowly. and you can see it over here to. the cars are moving out. the police have obviously had enough of this and they are moving everyone out and in the middle of all that, you see that big bright light which is a huge armored vehicle. so i think, guys, we have got to move. we've got to move fast. we gotta get out of here lawrence, because they warned everyone that they will be arrested. >> ron, i'm gonna let you keep moving and we will take a break here. we will come back to ron allen
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we will be back with our crews there as soon as they are safely positioned to get the latest update from the situation in brooklyn center, minnesota. on another case of police use of force, unnecessary force, you've got a police officer fired and you did that by making a video go viral, watching the video as it was going viral this weekend of a police officer aiming a gun at an army lieutenant for no reason and pepper spraying him for no reason and then letting him go because the army lieutenant had actually done nothing wrong. and that police officer who was never, ever going to be fired, he was fired today because of it. he was never going to be fired if the video of that incident did not go viral. the police department in windsor, virginia, is six people. a chief, sergeant and three patrol officers with last night
's firing of one of those officers that not only has to patrol officers. the police body cam video you're about to see has been in police possession since december 5th and they have done nothing about it. police chief rodney reynolds was not going to do anything about it until last night when that video went viral. we will also be showing you a video angle. when we show you this video of the police body cam video, we're going to show you an additional video angle from inside army lieutenant caron nazario's car, from a position where he put his phone during his interaction with the police officers. here is that video. >> get out of the car. >> what's going on? >> get out of the car now. >> what's going on? >> what's going on is your fixing to -- >> you received an order, obey it. >> i'm honestly afraid to get out. >> yeah, you should be. get out. >> i didn't do anything. wow, hold on a second. watch it. >> get out of the car. get out of the car and get on
the ground now. >> i don't even want to reach for my seatbelt. >> take your seatbelt out and get out of the car. >> after all of that and more, the police did not arrest lieutenant nazario, telling him they were doing him a big favor by letting him go so that the military would not penalize him for getting arrested. lieutenant nazario's attorney said that he informed his military supervisors of the incident almost immediately. lieutenant nazario who is 27 and a graduate of virginia state university filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the two police officers and after the video, emerge publicly this weekend, governor virginia said the gotta quote is disturbing and angered me. governor ralph northam said he is directing the virginia state police to investigate the matter. joining us now is cedric alexander, former public safety
director and police chief in georgia. he was a member of president obama's task force and 21st century police. also jonathan capehart from the washington post and host of the sunday show with jonathan capehart on msnbc. jonathan, let me begin with you on this because of the reaction that we all have when we look at this video. and this time, we have the two angles. we have the police body cam and then we have the lieutenants own video that he set up on the dashboard of his car. capturing this from his perspective. >> what we saw in that video, lawrence, is why a traffic stop is never routine when you are black and particularly a black male in america. i continue to be impressed and i'm sorry i have to be impressed because we have to be that lieutenant nazario had the presence of mind to go to a
lighted area to fire up his phone and said it to record and put it on the dashboard so he had his own evidence to show that he followed, you could hear all of the conflicting demands made of him by the two officers and then not put himself or give those officers a reason, an excuse, not a reason, an excuse, to shoot him. watching that video, i don't know, it's sunday and will have allow you to have a weekend. i don't know if you saw the show sunday, but i actively resisted watching that video all weekend long until i had to show it on my show and it made me very angry because i am tired of seeing black people and black men in particular going about their lives at least trying to, and then always having a problem. and in these two cases, virginia and minnesota, what's
got daunte wright, what got him pulled over? a license plate issue. what got lieutenant nazario pulled over? a license plate issue. and we can go around the country and look at and find examples of black men pulled over for the pretext of a license plate issue and things going awry. seeing that video, particularly the one of lieutenan tnazario is maddening, it's enraging and it's also frightening because lieutenant is area could have been daunte wright. >> cedric alexander, the officer who did pepper spray after screaming and then doing the pepper spray, he got fired last night. but he got fired on information that that police department that they had since december
5th. he got fired because of what we see on that video, and he wasn't going to be fired apparently until we got to see it on the video instead of just the police chief. >> well, that is problematic in and of itself. it speaks that the police department. it speaks to that's cities leadership. because if they knew that that video was out there and the egregious acts that their officers committed and involved themselves in that night to a u.s. army soldier who is respectful and quite frankly who was only professional person there on the scene and the way that they treated him was inhumane and not just the fact that he was a lieutenant in the army, but they did not treat him with a sense of respect. and look, this whole idea about this being a felony traffic stop, that's the part that really ticks me off the most. that wasn't a felony traffic stop. not really, because you can't see a license plate. and to come out of your cars with guns drawn because he just
drove a little bit further down the road to find a lighted spot. he did everything that we trained our friends and families and everyone to do. all of us. but yet, even after he did all of that, as you heard jonathan so well articulate it just seems like no matter what we are asking our citizens to do, particularly if they are of color it just seems to come back to the same place. i have been in policing in and out for 40 years and i tell you, this was most discussing traffic stop. the interactions that take place, they're becoming sickening to the american people and i don't care what color you are. everybody is sick and tired that this is troubling. and policing across this country and even good police are going to have to suffer behind those who are acting egregiously, illegally, and unconstitutionally as what we saw at the other night there in
virginia. >> and jonathan capehart, you've been sharing this green with the protesters in minnesota and they will that this protest is about what happened to dante right because that is the neighborhood where it is happening. but those protesters also know what happened to this army lieutenant in virginia. they know what happened to george floyd. they know what happened in all of these cases and surely they have more than just this most recent case in mind when they go out there tonight. >> right. and from what i understand there have been other instances in brooklyn center interactions with the police that have enraged the community. look, people are angry and they are angry for a reason. they are justifiably angry. when you have this state in the presence of law enforcement, that is able to kill people and they are tired of it and they
are demonstrating against it and one last thing lawrence. we need to make a distinction between the people who were standing in front of that police station trying to have their voices heard, and the knuckleheads who were looting the store yards away. two completely different people, groups of people. >> jonathan capehart, cedric alexander thank you very much for joining our discussion. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. dig in for just $8.99.
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right now. if you look that way and you can see along the other way you can see the police advancing even further. with that big huge armored vehicle in the center. it goes down that way about 100 feet or so. there must be several hundred officers and they are now well down the street from in front of the police headquarters, where the protesters are gone, we don't know. people have just scattered and we have also seen many people arrested. don't know what's the number of that is yet but bottom line is, this night the police have said that this is over, get out of here, go home, or you're going to be arrested. they run out of patience and you could see a huge presence. lawrence, back to you. >> nbc's ron allen, thank you. thank you for that live coverage this hour run we really appreciate it. msnbc's news coverage continues on the 11th hour with brian williams. good evening once again, well this was indeed d