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all right that is going to do it for us tonight, i will see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the last word lawrence o'donnell. good evening. >> good evening rachel we're going to be going live to run island once again tonight. the streets of brooklyn center minnesota, where he has just been doing invaluable work for us reporting from the streets. as he is done in the past in these kinds of situations. this is one of those weeks that we'd feel like we have lived through before. but it's new every time. >> yeah, exactly. this is now with four sustained days of protests, as we head towards the end of the derek chauvin trial. ten miles away. as the
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defense heads through its part of the trial and we're heading toward a verdict there. it does feel like we are going to be there in our attention is going to be there for quite some time. >> yes it is. thank you rachel. >> thanks lawrence. >> well we're just an hour away from the curfew tonight in brooklyn center minnesota, we are once again protesters have gathered on the day when the police officer who shot and killed 20 year old dante wright, while he was unarmed. was arrested and charged with second degree manslaughter. curfews in neighboring minneapolis and st. paul were in place last night at the same hour. but were lifted tonight. last night, 79 people were arrested in brooklyn center minnesota. joining us now, from brooklyn center is nbc news correspondent ron allen. ron, you let us off last night, what is the difference tonight? >> lawrence, it just feels a
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lot more intense. there is a smaller crowd, but they seem to be a lot of energy there. in the last hour, since nightfall, we have seen this exchange of projectiles, rocks and bottles going in one direction, rubber bullets and other devices and other projectiles coming from the police as well. and it goes on and on. if you take a close look, i think if you zoom over there you can see again, that fence over there, which is the entrance to the police headquarters, which again has been the focus of the protesters and the police, and national guard. there's a significant national guard presence again there tonight. troops in camouflage and heavy military like vehicles back there again. trying to protect this place and keep the protesters back. >> all this just comes down to the next. our what will happen in the next hour as we approach curfew. will the police and national
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guard decide to push and clear the street out here? as they have the past few nights. how long will they let the protesters continue to go on? i hear explosions going off in the background, again those flash bangs. again, we can see some smoke now rising from in front of the gate. but there's a smaller crowd tonight and there's also a lot of folks creating mischief. we've heard of some, we've heard a lot of hostility directed at us, the media, there was stuff on social media going around telling people to smash cameras in attack journalists. some are a colleagues have pulled out. we are staying fuller back tonight than normal because again, of what we've been feeling through the early evening. and now as we approach nightfall. it's been something different tonight than it was last night. >> ron, what about. >> again, as we approach late fall, the intensity picks.
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up >> robin what about the arrest today of the police officer. is that part of why we're seeing a smaller crowd tonight? >> perhaps lawrence. for the most part i think people feel that the manslaughter charge should have been a murder charge. simply put, they feel that dante was murdered, in the streets. during a traffic stop. they think manslaughter is letting the officer off lately. they feel it's evidence of a double standard, evidence of a racial standard. a lot of people point to the case of muhammad norah, former minneapolis police officer who is convicted of murder, and manslaughter back in 2017, in a case that involved a white woman a, resident who had called 9-1-1 reporting a problem, and as she approached the police car, where he and
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his partner were still in, he opened fire, killing her tragically. in a case of apparent mistaken identity. he said in court that he felt that he and his partner were being threatened. again, it's a very different case, but he was convicted of murder. sentenced a 12 and a half years in prison. this officer, faces manslaughter charges, not murder charges, and that's why people are angry. they want to see a special counsel take over this case, not have the local prosecutor handle, it because they feel that the local prosecutor in this state, are just too close to the police. they're also down here, a group of state legislators, who have a whole list of reforms that they want to see pushed through the legislature, that they say they're getting opposition from the governor and others. who are blocking this. it's a whole litany of reform, for the juvenile justice system, to sentencing. they want more records expunged of criminal records expunged.
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moves that we've seen in other states happening, that are not, that have not been happening here. the bottom line is lawrence, regardless, there is still a long list of demands, a lot of frustration that goes beyond the case of dante right. that go beyond the case of george floyd. and that will continue to be voiced here, for some time to come i. think for the coming weeks. lawrence. >> nbc's ron allen. thank you very much for that report, we will be coming back to you run as they are proceeds. as you think is necessary. and then 11:30 am this morning. the now former police officer who shot and killed dante wright, was arrested and charged with second degree manslaughter. states that kimberly impart or cause the death of dante dimitri was right by her
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culpable negligence, whereby communally potter created an unreasonable risk in consciously took a chance of causing death or great bodily harm to dante dimitri is right. a conviction of second degree manslaughter carries a match will punishment of ten years in prison in a 20,000 dollar fine. washington county prosecutor said in his statement today quote, certain occupations carry an immense responsibility, and none more so than a sworn police officer, who will vigorously prosecute this case and intend to prove the officer potter abrogated her responsibility to protect the public, when she used her fire arm rather than a her taser. in her press conference today the mayor of the brooklyn center said this. >> i share our communities anger in shock in a message to
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all who are demanding justice to him and his family is this. your voices, have been heard. the eyes of the world are watching brooklyn center. and i urge you, to protest peacefully. and without violence. later today the mayor visited the family of dante, right at a vigil where dante wright sister said this. . >> a taser taser taser. you know the difference between a taser and a gun. he took my brother's life for nothing. . for nothing at all. in reality he's gone, i can never see him in person again. i can never give him a hug, as
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they took him from maine. they took him from us. >> joining us now is clay in tyler former prosecutor who is now a criminal defense attorney in minnesota. thank you very much for joining us tonight, what is your reading, your interpretation of these charges today? >> i think that minnesota is leading the way in swift charges, against police officers right now. it didn't used to be that way. however i think that after all the body cams in in the background of the officer comes around, i think we will have a situation that will look at maybe a third degree murder charges. >> is there a possibility of what happened in the derek chauvin case happening here. where the state attorney general takes over? >> there is a possibility.
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i think is in the chauvin case, they are doing an excellent job of prosecuting that case. i think a lot of times, people are concerned that the local district attorney is not going to be as vigorous in the prosecution. i know people have known him for a long time and he's a very dedicated public servant and we'll have a good job of prosecuting it. but if keith ellison takes over, i think he'll equally do a good job. >> you mentioned the possibility of increasing this charge. what will be the legal threshold that would have to be meant to do that? and what would you expect the body camera evidence to reveal, that would make that possible? >> third degree murder is very tricky in minnesota right now because the court of appeals just recently ruled that the chauvin case could use third degree murder and as everyone
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knows originally it was taken out by the judge. so the body camera would have to show evidence somehow over depraved mind, or something that would be a little different from the normal negligent -- i'm not sure what if anything could kick it up to that level. but i think the prosecutors will have to take their time and look at it in detail. and i think that they will. >> a new york times survey today found in the last 20 years at least 15 other cases of police officers mistaking their guns for their tasers. they said a review of 15 other cases of so-called weapon confusion, in the past 20 years. show that only five of the officers were indicted, only three, including the only two cases in which people were killed. we're eventually found guilty.
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so there is a pattern here historically have this mistake being made. but the prosecution of it obviously is not common. >> it's very difficult. you have a compelling video tape, the defense attorney that's going to be handling the case is an excellent defense attorney, one of the top five attorneys in the state of minnesota. and he is going to be looking at every aspect of the case in terms of whether or not she was thinking that he was going for a gun in the car or whatever they are going to try to put the victim on trial, which is unfortunate. but that's with the probably try to do. we >> that's clay in tyler. thank you for your legal guidance tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you i appreciate. it >> joining us now is democratic senator tina smith, of minnesota. senator smith, thank you survived for joining us, you are joining us once again will
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protesters are on the street in minnesota. you are with us when we were covering the protests of the killing of george floyd last year. when is it like for you to be back, seeing this again in minnesota? >> thank you lawrence it's great to be with you. i think a lot of people feel on the streets of brooklyn center tonight. and all across my state, a sense of exhaustion, grief, and also anger in frustration. how many times, do we have to see, a black man die, be killed, be murdered at the hands of law enforcement. and it keeps happening over and over again. i was talking today or communicating with my friend valerie castillo, who is the mother of the man who died in another traffic incident, with her son, philando, and valerie
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said, how many more, how many more expert groups do we have to have bringing forward ideas before something finally changes? she said i want solutions. and that is what i see in feel in the brooklyn center, and in my community in minneapolis tonight. >> you have said, this is another incident of what you call over policing. how would you control that? >> i hear from folks that live in north minneapolis in brooklyn center in communities of color all over my, state that they feel over policed, and under protected. when they need help from law enforcement they can't find it, but when they are simply driving and minding their own business, they end up being pulled over in a traffic stop, that could be fatal. that has got to change. that is a system of policing in our country, and in our state. that has got to change. we know what to do, we just
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have to find the will to do it. and then legislation that we put forward, after the tragic murder of george floyd, almost a year ago, we put forth the george floyd justice in policing act, that would help to get us over the challenges we. half holding police officers accountable, addressing the issue rules of qualified immunity, getting rid of these excessive use of force standards that we have in police departments all over this country. those will be specific things that we can do. yet right now, those are being stopped in the united states senate and that is a tragedy that is going to continue to be a tragedy unless we take action. >> senator ways your confidence little in the washington county district attorney's office to handle this case? and should it be handled the same way the george floyd case was handled, and move to the attorney general, the state attorney general's jurisdiction? >> i think the most important thing is that the person who's prosecuting the case, has some
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distance from the law enforcement that are the defendants. i don't know the prosecutor personally, in the county. i have great confidence in what the attorney general is doing right now where the derek chauvin trial, i think that he is prosecuting the case vigorously. and that is what we need. that is with the community wants to. see someone who is has all of their heart and all of their energy into getting accountability for these cases. you need to have justice for the killing of dante wright, and george floyd, but you also have to be able to address the system that allows this to happen over and over again. >> and one about at the federal level. is there anything that can be done from your position in the senate? >> well we should be passing right now we should be taking up the george floyd justice simply seeing acts and that
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would make a huge difference for our ability to stop the worst of these excessive use of force standards. and also make it easier to hold police officers accountable. the other thing, to be a little bit optimistic in this such a grim moment is there are examples of innovation happening in local police departments all over the country. i propose legislation that would have the federal government support those innovations, as we really magical public safety can look like. if we were able to pass my legislation as well, we would be able to support those, not experiments but efforts to really try to change the way we do this over policing, and under protecting. so those local departments can actually make the changes that they need. that would make a difference >> minnesota senator tina smith, thank you for joining us tonight. i'm sorry that tonight you are once again joining us during which you've called appropriately, a grim moment
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for minnesota and the country. thank you very much >> thank you lawrence. >> today derek chauvin's defense team put its most important expert witness on the stand, to challenge the medical examiners findings, that the death of george floyd was a homicide. that's next. s homicide that's next. that's next. you can always spot a first time gain flings user. ♪ (vo) ideas exist inside you, electrify you. they grow from our imagination, but they can't be held back. they want to be set free. to make the world more responsible, and even more incredible. ideas start the future, just like that.
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that the death of anton black was accidental. doctor fowler is now being sued in a federal lawsuit by anton blacks family saying he covered up the true cause of death. today, on day 13 on the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. the defense call doctor fowler to testify for the defense. doctor fowler is no longer a medical examiner in maryland. he's now a professional witness for higher who is paid an hourly fee for his services. doctor fowler went to medical school in south africa. he does his residency in south pathology in the university of maryland. doctor fowler is by far the most important witness that the defense has cold in a case that is all about the cause of death. according to the defense, the defense council said in the opening statement, that the defense would be entirely about the cause of death of george floyd. the medical examiner in minnesota ruled that george
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floyd's death was a homicide. in addition to the medical examiners testimony, the prosecution has offered testimony from a world renowned physician dr. martin toobin. doctor tobin pinpointed the exact moment on the street after george floyd stopped breathing. the moment which as dr. tobin put it, was the moment the life goes out of the body. the prosecution also offered testimony from a cardiologist who explained that george floyd did not die from any form of heart disease. the cardiologist testified george floyd's's heart stopped only because of the pressure because of his body, from derek chauvin that cut off the flow of oxygen in george floyd system. and after all that careful and precise medical testimony today, the entire defense case came down to this rambling answer to
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this simple question. >> how would you classify the manner? >> so this is one of those cases when you have so many conflicting different manners. the carbon monoxide, which usually would be classified as an accident. although somebody was holding him there. so, some people would say you could elevate that to homicide. you've got the drugs on board. in most succumb stances, in most jurisdictions, blood intoxication would be considered to be an accident. he's got significant natural disease. certainly the heart. you know, you could also consider it as a potential exacerbating process. but i wouldn't put it at the top of the list, then.
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so he's got a mixture of that. and then you have a situation where he's been restrained in a very stressful situation. and that increased his fight or flight type reaction. and that would be considered a homicide. you put all of those together, it's very difficult to say which of those is the most accurate. so, i would fall back to under terms in this particular case. >> lead prosecutor in the cross-examination was aimed at eliminating a sudden heart attack as a possible cause of death. >> if you apply pressure to someone's back, and squeeze until the person becomes unresponsive. and you maintain that pressure for at least four minutes, you will cause irreversible brain damage because you will have starved the brain of oxygen.
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is that true? >> correct. it takes four minutes of no supply of oxygen to the brain to cause irreversible brain damage. >>, now if somebody dies as a result of the consequences of into vic efficient oxygen, low oxygen, we know that when that person dies, they're going to die of cardiopulmonary arrest. because everybody dies of park cardiopulmonary aires. fair enough? >> yes. >> and if a person dies as a result of low oxygen, that person is also going to die ultimately of fatal or the media. >> correct. occur with every person will have fetal aretha at some point. >> that is kind of how you go. did you notice after roughly four minutes and 45 seconds, that mr. floyd went unconscious? >> yes. >> did you notice that sometime after five minutes, he was
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found not to have had a pulse? >> correct. >> in your report, you refer to this as a sudden death even. but in your report you're finding you don't record a time, do you sir, for when the sudden death supposedly occurred? do you? >> i don't specifically remember doing that. correct. >> joining us now criminal law professor at new york law school, where he's the director of the 21st century policing project. and mark gleckman. both are former nypd police detectives. and once again, tonight, gentlemen. our discussion is sharing the screen with the live action in brooklyn center minnesota as the protesters have gathered there. and professor burke hart, let me start with you. as a trial tactician and get your reaction to what you saw
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in court today? >> sure. lawrence, let's take the totality of all the medical experts that have testified. all the lows on the defense side and. the expert that testified for the prosecution and the expert that testified for the defense today. as it shows, which one of these things doesn't belong together? and what do i need? the prosecution presented a very credible medical experts. and what's important is, they were able to support their position, their conclusion, that's juxtapose with this particular expert that was unable to support his condition under cross examination. and why is that so critical? because at the end of the day, we know that causation is the critical issue. that's what the jury is going to consider. and in a battle of the experts, it tends to be the expert that is most credible. and the one that is strong as
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his or her conviction, and that can support their conclusion. so, taking a look at this testimony holistically, he didn't fulfill those category. he did inspire confidence. this theory about carbon dioxide was unsupported. that george floyd could have a doorway died from carbon dioxide poisoning. or inhalation of carbon dioxide. holy unsupported. and we didn't see that on the other side. so, i don't think this testimony helped. however, the defense had to find someone to be able to say with medical authority that george floyd did not die because of derek chauvin. and quite frankly, this is the best they could come up with. i don't think it worked so well with the jury for those reasons. >> on cross-examination, dr. fowler seemed to help the prosecution more than the defense wanted him to. especially on the question of giving medical attention to
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george floyd. let's listen to that. >> do you feel that mr. floyd should have been given immediate emergency attention to try to reverse the cardiac arrest? >> as a physician, i would agree. >> are you critical of the fact that he wasn't given you medium urgency care when he went into cardiac arrest? >> yes, as a physician i would agree. >> mark claxton, the defense puts on a witness who then criticizes the defendant for not given the medical attention to george floyd. >> lawrence, i'm telling you the testimony today was very disciplined focal to watch. we spoken in the past about police officers acting under the color of law. they show up in the uniform, the vehicle, and they have the equipment and all the accoutrements. they're on duty. but they operate outside of the
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law. misbehave, if you will. violate the law. and we say that is operating under the color of the law, which is very detrimental to public safety. well, these defense experts, medical witnesses, are operating under the color of science. because much of their testimony is -- they are direct testimony, is not supported by any facts. is theoretical. hypothetical. it's easily picked apart. and it's important, the body language, their breathing, but trees them. every step of the way. you can hear the size and the difficulty, even producing an answer that is in some way responsive to the prosecutors cross. these medical witnesses are operating under the -- mark, thank you very much for
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joining us again tonight. you are invaluable perspective with your police experience in courtroom experience is something we all appreciate. when we come back after this break, we will go live to the scene in brooklyn center minnesota, with ron allen. we'll be right back. minnesota, with ron allen. we'll be right back.
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we saw a long lights -- in emergency vehicles coming into the far side where the protesters. are this happened last night as well. the number of cars, dozens of vehicles, they're so far away i can't really tell, but it was just a huge, a huge show. since that is happened the protesters are directing their attention in that direction, and away from the police headquarters. last night, the number of arrests was close to 80. even tonight the number has increased. it appears that's what's going to happen again, because that's they are pushing in from the far side on the protest. and it is an incredibly large police force. inside the compound here, the national guard troops and the police are holding their position. we have not seen the protesters
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trying to breach as they did previous nights. at this point the focus seems to be, which certainly is whatever is going on back there. it's a lot of police. it appears that as the curfew strikes in another less than a half hour or so, the police are going to make a statement and try to get people out of here. as soon as they start making an announcement that this was an unlawfully assembly, the protectors are cranking up the music on their cars which is something you can hear. now they're also blowing their horns trying to drown out that. essentially rejecting the demand to move out. so as we approach the top of the hour lawrence, the tension here is really ratcheting up. >> nbc's ron allen. thank you for that update ron we really appreciate. it we will take a break here. when we come back joe biden made history today by declaring an end to what he called, the forever war in afghanistan.
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end date, of september 11th of this year, for the final withdrawal of u.s. troops in afghanistan. where we once had 98,000 american troops, and today we have 2500. >> we already have service members doing their duty in afghanistan today whose parents served in the same war. we have service members who are not yet born, when our nation was attacked on 9/11. the war in afghanistan was never meant to be a multi generational thing. we were attacked, we went to war with clear goals. we achieve those objectives, bin laden is dead, and al-qaeda is degraded in iraq, and afghanistan. and it's time to end the
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forever war. >> the forever war is now in its 20th year and after announcing the plan to end war today, president biden visited the arlington national cemetery to honor members of the military who lost their lives in afghanistan and iraq. . >> was this a hard decision to make? sir >> no it wasn't, for me it was absolutely clear. >> joining us now has been, roads for national security adviser for president obama -- we are continuing to cover the situation in brooklyn center minnesota, so we may be sharing the screen with some of the images, from the street there as we speak. but this was obviously an important day, and september 11th is an end date. the withdrawal could be accomplished before that time. but that is the end point for this. >> i think that's intentional, lawrence first of all to make the point that having been
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there 20 years. we can hold our heads up high and say that militarily, we have done everything that we could. first in defeating, al-qaeda getting rid of al-qaeda a lot -- a chance here. but there's a diminishing return for what we can do militarily anymore. and the american people i think will >> see september 11th this 20-year marker. and we're moving into new period. when we are no longer going to have a presence in afghanistan. that's a big moment for the country. and i think that joe biden not only made the right decision, but he framed it at not just as the end of our presence in afghanistan. but the end of a kind of particular period that began on 9/11. >> the president made clear that we could see more military action there before september 11th. let's listen to what he said to what happens if the taliban attacks while the troops are being drawn down. >> the taliban should know, if they attack us as we drawdown,
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we will defend ourselves and our partners with all the tools at our disposal. >> then, that sounds like something that could get us re-engaged militarily? >> i don't think so, lawrence. i think that joe biden has looked at the arguments from his team. i'm sure that the are militaries arguing keep some force in afghanistan. i'm sure the intelligence community the was warning that the taliban could take over if we left. and evaluating those risks. i think he determined is still the right decision to. make again, in part because our military, having troops there is not solving the problems in afghanistan. the anything that can really solve those problems is some type of diplomatic intervention. i think he was saying specifically that withdrawal could be a difficult time for our forces. as they're moving out, they don't have the kind of large force that can come to the aid of a departing u.s. convoy. and he sending a message to the
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taliban that if you take action, you could face u.s. air strikes. additional u.s. military force. but i think the reaction he sent is very clear, in the sense the direction of leaving afghanistan. >> let's listen to what the president said about the terrorist threat that could remain in afghanistan. >> we'll not take our eye off the terrorist threat. we will reorganize our counter-terrorism take capabilities. and the substantial assets in the region to prevent the reemergence of terrorists and the threat to our homeland from among over the horizon. it will hold the taliban accountable for its commitment to not allow any terrorists to threaten the united states or its allies from afghan soil. >> ben rhodes, saying will hold the taliban accountable could sound awfully strange? >> well, lawrence, i think that's a message that look, afghanistan a force in june
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utley who have suffered the people who have suffered so much is going to be a grim conflict between the afghan government and the taliban. that could the could hopefully recover resolve themself. that message is about, within that context, the taliban should not think they should provide safe haven to groups like al-qaeda that could threaten the united states. what we're seeing here is the shift from the afghanistan or the iraq where they have large ground forces in the places, to a model like the model that was pursued against isis. where it's u.s. air power often working with partners on the ground who share our objectives in terms of eliminating terrorist safe havens. it's one that doesn't require 50, 000, 100, 000, or even in this case, two and thousand 500 troops in afghanistan, to be in a country anymore. he suggesting will use air power, if we reengage. >> what has changed in the rift
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royal decision from the obama white house to the biden white house? >> well, part of it is one, simply the passage of. time i was thinking today that, not only the 20 year since september 11th. this june will be a decade since we began our drawn down from afghanistan. this is not a precipitous withdrawal as republican have been framing. it this is been a decade in which we have been handing things off to the afghans. i frankly think we could've made a decision in 2015, 2016. i think part of what made that decision difficult at the time was for president obama was there was some concern that there could be an isis safe haven in afghanistan. but i think now, part of what's happened is that the american people, they want to move on. and president biden, he's talking about rebuilding this country. not the trillions of dollars that we've spent in afghanistan and iraq. but rather, the types of proposals he's putting forward to build america. he's talking about china, the challenges of the pandemic, and
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climate change. it's time clearly to turn the page here. even advice as we have to continue to support the afghan people diplomatically. >> ben rhodes, thank you for joining us on this historic night. we really appreciate. it coming up, the police have declared an unlawful assembly in brooklyn center, minnesota. we are ten minutes away from the curfew being imposed their. and during a another week of protests of the killing of unarmed black men by police, members of the congressional black caucus went to the white house for the first time in four years, to meet with president biden and vice president harris about police reform and other issues. that's next. with a painless, one-second scan. and now with optional alarms, you can choose to be notified if you go too high or too low. and for those who qualify, the freestyle libre 2 system is now covered by medicare. ask your doctor for a prescription. you can do it without fingersticks.
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white house to meet with the president of the united states for the first time in four years. joining us now are democratic congressman joyce beatty of ohio. she is the chair of the congressional black caucus. and democratic congressman steven horsford of nevada. the vice chair of the congressional black caucus. and congressman beatty, what was the agenda for this first congressional black caucus meeting with the president and vice president? >> well first of all, lawrence, thank you so much for having us. we are very clear agenda. we wanted to share with president biden, our 101st objectives. our goals, we wanted to make it clear we were talking about people. and that included the vaccination, voting rights, civil rights, jobs, the economy. and we also wanted to talk about the criminal justice system and what's happening with far too many of our young, black men especially, being
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killed. so we had a full agenda saying, here are our goals and objectives. one of them was to meet with the president. and to clearly set an ongoing dialog with him. he was very supportive of this. he's been very supportive of our issues. so we want to make sure his committee sat down with him to develop a plan. and we shared a dozen of our top priorities with him. very clear. we had some deliverables that we wanted to come out of the meeting with. so we could continue to build back better. >> congresswoman horsford, what did the president and vice president tell you about their concerns about what's happening in minnesota this week? >> well, lawrence, first i wanted to join with congresswoman beatty and the entire congressional black caucus in extended our prayers and condolences to the wright
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family. daunte wright should be alive today. and what the president said in the opening remarks of the meeting, is that this has to stop. that black lives matter. as a black parent raising two sons and a daughter with my wife, this is trauma that our families experience every single day. when we wake up to the news of another black life lost, killed at the hands of law enforcement. it's why we have to pass the george floyd justice and policing act. and the president and vice president share our goal in making sure that we hold officers accountable by ending very draconian practices like the chokehold that contributed to the death of george floyd. and other standards that need to be reformed throughout law
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enforcement. this is not about one police officer, or one department. this is about systemic racism that has to end in this country. >> congressman beatty, what was it like to you to go to a meeting with the president and vice president? and for the first time in history, have a former member of the congressional black caucus sitting across from you as vice president of the united states? >> well, it was very welcoming to have vice president kamala harris there. it was very reinforcing. she's your member of the cbc, she's unapologetic and very volatile vocal. and we had to talk about -- we had to have a conversation about things that could have been uncomfortable for other people. we were very comfortable talking about systemic racism. talking about what is happening today, as you've been covering. as steven said. it has to stop. and we have to be in a position with legislators. we have to write policies and
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legislation to stop all the senseless killing. but we have to stand up for the people we represent. and is happening far too many times, we're at the same time, witnessing live on tv, the trial for the killing of george floyd. eight minutes and 26 seconds was bad enough. and now we're hearing nine minutes and 29 seconds. so, whether it's a 20-dollar bill, a cigarette, an air freshener, this is something that the congressional black caucus is going to be joining with other communities, civil rights groups, to make sure that our voices are heard. and that we are going to show our power and our message. this is our 50th anniversary. and we are the largest caucus within the congress. and this is one of our top priorities. along with covid-19. making sure people are vaccinated. >> congresswoman joyce beatty
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and congressman steven horsford thank you both for joining us. tonight we have just arrived at the curfew hour in brooklyn center, minnesota. and this nbc's breaking news live coverage continues on the 11th hour. with brian williams which starts now. williams whic starts now good evening once again, while this was indeed 85 of the biden administration, we are keeping an act on brooklyn center minor soda, as lawrence just mentioned, as the curfew is now in effect, a night for of unrest there. that has followed the point blank police shooting of dante wright, more on that in just a moment. we want to begin tonight with a history making decision from the white house, that is not without controversy. today the president announced the end of our nation's longest war. he announced that all u.s. troops, about 2500 of them remain, will leave afghanistan by